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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
Sure, you can't give the aid workers life back, and whoever fucked it up by winging that grenade has to live with what they've done, which is of itself harsh enough... HOWEVER, for the purposes of discipline and failure to follow proper procedure, they should lose a stripe and be transferred to a line unit.

Can't undo what's been done, but corrective action should be taken to prevent further screwups.

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Originally posted by Hero:

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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
Sure, you can't give the aid workers life back, and whoever fucked it up by winging that grenade has to live with what they've done, which is of itself harsh enough... HOWEVER, for the purposes of discipline and failure to follow proper procedure, they should lose a stripe and be transferred to a line unit.

Can't undo what's been done, but corrective action should be taken to prevent further screwups.

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Fault lies entirely with the kidnappers.

I think being killed during a resuce attempt is far better then having your head chopped off on TV after suffering months of rape and abuse at the hands of your captors.

A hostage rescue is perhaps the most difficult and dangerous operation a special forces unit can undertake. Rules of engagement are limited meaning its far more dangerous for the rescue team then a simple assault would be. And after all that effort and risk there is the very real possiblity that the victim will be killed or injured by her captors or killed in the crossfire. I commend them for the the effort and hope they take this and learn for the next time...which is how these things normally work regardless of success.

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I think being killed during a resuce attempt is far better then having your head chopped off on TV after suffering months of rape and abuse at the hands of your captors.

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Originally posted by oldenglanddry:
Intel was she was about to be released cos local Elders intervened with the kidnappers. So the "rescue" was unnnecessary in the first place.

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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:

Well, this is lawyer boy we're talkin about here, Byte, who works for the Government, cause they got a real damn strange concept of "helping" people to begin with, don't ya know...

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Originally posted by Hero:
Ok. I'm sure your intel was superior to that given to the President of the United States and the Prime Minister of Britain...not to mention the commanders in theater.

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
You "MAY" want to invest in a dictionary.

"Definelation"? Seriously?

Who the hell do you think you are, Sarah Palin?

You should really "refudiate" that mess, post-haste.


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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
As expected, unintentional but completely preventable - some nitwit failed to follow procedure and disaster resulted, and mind you this is WHY we have those procedures and ROE, to prevent exactly this kind of mess.

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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
And Zero, again, stick with what you know - ROE specifically calls for NOT using frag grenades even in the initial assault, or at all until the hostage is located and secured, FOR THIS EXPLICIT REASON, cause otherwise this is what tends to happen.

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