Meanwhile, during your last 68 days of comfortable bickering........ by oldenglanddry

America loves a winner!

Beats having to wait until Christmas, which is how long many had said that this rescue would take.

go miners!

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Tuesday, October 12, 2010 1:44 PM

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

Yeah, I think that's SO fantastic. But 15 minutes in that little cage...brrrr...I'm sending all good wishes nothing goes wrong and they get OUT safely.

In the midst of all the political bullshit, there truly ARE more important things happening every day!

Hippie Operative Nikovich Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
Contracted Agent of Veritas Oilspillus, code name “Nike”,
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Tuesday, October 12, 2010 3:31 PM

America loves a winner!

Watching the rescue operation on t.v. now... I was curious as to why they have a giant Texas flag on site, right in front of the recovery area.

Turns out, the Chilean and Texas stat flags are nearly identical.

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Wednesday, October 13, 2010 1:32 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
Watching the rescue operation on t.v. now... I was curious as to why they have a giant Texas flag on site, right in front of the recovery area.

Turns out, the Chilean and Texas stat flags are nearly identical.

Atascosa County apparently agrees...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/8060723/Tex
an-ballot-papers-sent-out-with-flag-of-Chile.html

Although it wouldn't be much of a surprise to see a Texas flag on site. Wherever there's drilling to be done, you'll likely find a crew from Texas.

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Wednesday, October 13, 2010 5:08 AM

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg

http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/americas/10/12/chile.miner.rescue.walkup
/index.html?hpt=C1

Faith and Hope (the real kind)... huh.

Imagine that.

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I'm not tied up when we need one
They've got strings but you can see
There are no strings on me!"

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Wednesday, October 13, 2010 8:44 AM

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg

I wonder how atheists feel about the miners dropping to their knees in prayer and thanks to God?

No such thing as an atheist in a foxhole... or a collapsed mineshaft?

Maybe there is a reason for that?

"I got no strings, so I have fun
I'm not tied up when we need one
They've got strings but you can see
There are no strings on me!"

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Wednesday, October 13, 2010 11:16 AM

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg

24 rescued so far.

"I got no strings, so I have fun
I'm not tied up when we need one
They've got strings but you can see
There are no strings on me!"

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Wednesday, October 13, 2010 11:31 AM

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

How do atheists feel? I would imagine they don't even notice...they'd have to be used to religion being inserted into everyday life all the time. I can't say for sure, and I guess an atheist here will have to speak up, or maybe if/when Jennifer Kaylee joins us, she'll say--as she is one.

Why do people thank God? Because most everyone wants to think on some level that there is someone with power outside their own who can decide their fate and, that if they pray to that person or appease them, that god will intercede on their behalf.

Did you really need to ask? When people are in desperate places and feel they have little power over their lives, they turn to something beyond themselves. That's why religion BEGAN (that and a need to explain the unexplainable).

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Wednesday, October 13, 2010 11:38 AM

DREAMTROVE

I have to say that in this, as in the earthquake, Chile has shown us how a real nation acts. I'm happy that this is getting the coverage that it is, including the "we helped" part, because there's a faint glimmer of hope that people might expect a little better of their govt. then shoving people into a Superdome, or pouring golf balls down an oil spill.

As long as we're going to do "opinions on how this can apply to something it has nothing to do with" I'll add this: At last, a solution of what to do with our latino immigrants: Vote them into office ;)

Seriously though, there are countries that work, and we should follow their examples.

Also, this has been gnawing at me: Empires can't work. They create too much cash and power in one place, and that attracts rats. All you have to be is larger than the other plates of cheese, and you'll get most of the rats. This is probably the best argument I've run into for dissolving the USA. NY, CA and TX would still have rats, but maybe we could kick them out of KY et al.

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Wednesday, October 13, 2010 12:09 PM

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

ONLY 7 TO GO as of this writing. How wonderful to have something positive to think about, even if just for a few hours!

There will always be empires, or attempts to create empires. That's just the way it is. They take different appearances, but they're still empires. Not to worry; ours is waning, faster than ever before. There will be another to take our place...China probably? And another after them. Mankind has not learned from history (or rather, governments haven't), so is doomed to repeat it until we DO, if ever.

Of course they don't work...for long. They come, they bloat, they go. I'm not sure anyone here ever said empires "work", did they? It's been "our time" for a long time now, and most Americans never considered us an "empire". Our time is passing.

As to Chile, in my opinion it has its good points and its bad points, just like any other country. We're not better or worse than most other countries, except possibly in that we're too big and diverse to govern, and that our government is too big and cumbersome to respond when needed...among other things.

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Contracted Agent of Veritas Oilspillus, code name “Nike”,
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Wednesday, October 13, 2010 12:23 PM

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg

Spoken as true to someone without faith, belief or hope.

Nothing less than I thought.

I don't really care for an atheists belief system, it just seems so sad, blind, and hopeless.

But, it takes all kinds I guess.

There can't be light without dark, so I'm sure they serve some purpose.

"I got no strings, so I have fun
I'm not tied up when we need one
They've got strings but you can see
There are no strings on me!"

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Wednesday, October 13, 2010 12:29 PM

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg

27 rescued so far.

"I got no strings, so I have fun
I'm not tied up when we need one
They've got strings but you can see
There are no strings on me!"

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Wednesday, October 13, 2010 1:05 PM

America loves a winner!

Quote:
Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
I wonder how atheists feel about the miners dropping to their knees in prayer and thanks to God?

No such thing as an atheist in a foxhole... or a collapsed mineshaft?

Maybe there is a reason for that?

Atheist are too smart to end up in a foxhole ?

God put them in that hole, men w/ big ass drilling equipment got them out.

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Wednesday, October 13, 2010 2:23 PM

America loves a winner!

2nd to last miner is top side! 1 more to go !

What a truly amazing operation.

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Wednesday, October 13, 2010 2:42 PM

KWICKO

Saw one mention of something curious...

Seems one of the miners might be in a deeper hole now that he's back up to the surface. Turns out his wife AND his long-time mistress were there waiting for him! D'OH!!!

Time like this, though, I might think they're actually both glad to have him back alive. At least for now.

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Mr. President, you're a god damn, mother fucking liar.
Fuck you, you cock sucking community activist piece of shit.
... go fuck yourself, Mr. President.

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Wednesday, October 13, 2010 2:45 PM

America loves a winner!

NOW the last miner, the foreman, is getting ready...

man, talk about a party waiting up top.

( holy crap! Talkin' ain't doin! Get that man OUT of there ! )

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Wednesday, October 13, 2010 3:10 PM

America loves a winner!

He's out!

5 or 6 rescue team remain, but man....

Can't help to be impressed w/ the dignity and pride of the Chilean people. From the miners, the rescue team and everyone involved.

The shift super is one cool cat.

* there were 5 rescue team down there, now there are 4 remaining. Once the last man's out.... congrats Chile !

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Wednesday, October 13, 2010 5:18 PM

QUESTIONABLEQUESTIONALITY

America loves a winner!

Was I the only one on this board who watched this amazing story?

Was I the ONLY one who cared?

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Wednesday, October 13, 2010 9:11 PM

MAGONSDAUGHTER

No, I was following it on the news.

Great news that they are all safely out. What a feeling.

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Thursday, October 14, 2010 3:05 AM

FIVVER

Rap,

My father was a mining engineer. My middle name comes from the town in WV we were living in when I was born. During college I worked summers in coal mines in Ky and OH. (worked myself up to shot fireman where I got to place and set off the explosives) I watched the whole miracle.

My hat is off to those miners who managed to survive and remain sane for the 17 days it took people to find them. Miners as a whole are a tough lot but these hombres rasised the bar.

The president of Chile also shone through. He put his personal and national ego aside and accepted help from anyone (unlike Putin with the Kursk and Obama with the gulf). He's a leader who actually cares about his people.

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Thursday, October 14, 2010 5:12 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:
Saw one mention of something curious...

Seems one of the miners might be in a deeper hole now that he's back up to the surface. Turns out his wife AND his long-time mistress were there waiting for him! D'OH!!!

Time like this, though, I might think they're actually both glad to have him back alive. At least for now.

The modern definition of "socialist" is anyone who's winning an argument against a tea-bagger.

AURaptor's Greatest Hits:

Friday, September 24, 2010
I hate Obama's America. You're damn right about that.

Friday, May 28, 2010 - 18:26 To President Obama:
Mr. President, you're a god damn, mother fucking liar.
Fuck you, you cock sucking community activist piece of shit.
... go fuck yourself, Mr. President.

Watched that. That guy is in a heap of trouble. He may get the "honey you were in a hole" pass, but he is going to get the "Honey you were in her hole" beating. Give it a day.

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Thursday, October 14, 2010 5:44 AM

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

I, too, followed it on the news periodically, but I didn't sit there and watch the whole thing, or even the last guy coming out--it was rerun in capsule form on the news, and will be for days I'm sure.

I'm thrilled they got them out, impressed by how they did it in far less time than had been estimated, very impressed that Chile's President stuck around and "stuck it out" with them the way he did, and equally impressed by how Chile dealt with the whole thing.

Now, if we could just do something about the conditions in the mines and the lack of responsibility of the mine owners in this country, maybe there wouldn't be as much need for holding of breath, scrambling to rescue and mourning the dead... Just a thought...

What are conditions in Chile's mines, does anyone know?

No one would ever have doubted, Wulf, that you fully and fervently believe in a god. Given your penchant for mythical figures and Rambo videos, it could be no other way.

Light and dark are scientific principles; if you mean philosophical light and dark, of course they need one another, but it has nothing to do with any god. Greed and convenience bring out the worst in people; tradgedies and disasters bring out both the best AND the worst, and make people braver or more frightened, according to the person. It is also, unquestionably, the power of their own faith itself that gives them incredible strength to withstand difficulties, as here. But it was acts of the GODness in HUMANS that got them out, that went beyond the pale to make something very difficult happen. I've no doubt in some cases it was the strength of the workers' faiths that helped drive them, too.

So yeah, there's all kinds of power in faith, no question about it. Faith is in the human brain; the human brain is capable of things we've not even begun to dream of. That doesn't mean there's a god. JMHO.

Me, I'm just absolutely thrilled those 33 people made it out, that the workers can bask in their well-deserved praise, and that the familes and friends of the miners have their loved ones back. And I'll happily sing the praises of the humans, science and technology that got them out, to the sky. THAT is the miracle, and it doesn't happen often, and it's fantastic to think about something that positive for a while.

And yeah, that guy is gonna be back in a much blacker hole in no time at all!

Hippie Operative Nikovich Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
Contracted Agent of Veritas Oilspillus, code name “Nike”,
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