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Originally posted by ElvisChrist:

Mandatory breathalyzer-interlock systems would stop drunk driving. Mandatory Bluetooth jammers would stop texting and phone calls while driving. These would save more lives every year than were lost on 9/11 or in every terror attack on America in it's history. Also, raising the driving age to 21 and demanding minimum 5 years training would all but eliminate traffic deaths.

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Also Milimetric scanners are not 'draconian', 'draconian' would be shooting everyone of middle eastern origin and/or muslim persuasion before they could get on a plane.

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I would also note that it's impossible to prevent suicide bombings by intelligence alone because you get a massive amount of data from SIGINT alone and you have to determine what is valuable and what is noise, guess wrong and you're in deep trouble.

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Also last time I checked, CIA and MI5/6 do want to prevent terrorism and the MI5 or MI6 are certainly competent, I cannot speak for the CIA

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Originally posted by chrisisall:

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Originally posted by ElvisChrist:

Mandatory breathalyzer-interlock systems would stop drunk driving. Mandatory Bluetooth jammers would stop texting and phone calls while driving. These would save more lives every year than were lost on 9/11 or in every terror attack on America in it's history. Also, raising the driving age to 21 and demanding minimum 5 years training would all but eliminate traffic deaths.

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See? More over-reactive bullshit.
Just TRAIN the drivers adequately, and TEST them correctly!!!!
I don't give a fuck if someone's talking on their cellphone or eating a McDonald's breakfast while driving as long as they can DRIVE WELL!!!!



The had-it-with-stupidity Chrisisall

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Also last time I checked, CIA and MI5/6 do want to prevent terrorism and the MI5 or MI6 are certainly competent, I cannot speak for the CIA

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Originally posted by Kwicko:

I think he was trying to point out that you can go too far in trying to cut all the risk out of anything, Chris. You may be guilty of your own over-reactive BS on that one. :)

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Do you care if someone's drinking and driving next to you?

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
Hey, uh... Chris?

There are a lot of decaffeinated brands out there, dong ma?
I'm with ya on the driving thing, though.

But chill a bit, eh?

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If the official angriest man on the internet suggests so, I must comply.

I'm just so tired of blast-tactics to fix things that a little more actual, you know, THOUGHT might take care of....


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Originally posted by Kwicko:
Chris, have you looked at the candidates running for office this year?

Whatever made you imagine that "thought" had any place in this country anymore?

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Originally posted by CorporalChaos:
Never mind I'm done here
sorry all, I's overreacting

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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:

*Moral Authority: He's a fuckin PILOT for heavens sake, he's the one FLYING the plane, if we can't trust THIS guy, we're all fucked, aren't we ?
Seriously, what SENSE does it make to manhandle the pilots, when they've already had a background check bordering on the TSA crawling up their ass with a microscope, eh ?

I have tremendous respect for commercial airline pilots, especially since aviation safety is one of my hobby studies, and having heard many a CVR tape, these guys are natural heroes who even when obviously doomed, never ever quit trying to save the plane and passengers, right up to the very end...

If we can't trust them, there ain't no point to having planes in the first damned place.

We need to back this guy all the way, or have no one to blame but ourselves.

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Originally posted by Bytemite:

I think that 9-11 was the result of a failure of intelligence more than it was the result of lacking the technology or sufficient coverage.

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*Moral Authority: He's a fuckin PILOT for heavens sake, he's the one FLYING the plane, if we can't trust THIS guy, we're all fucked, aren't we ?
Seriously, what SENSE does it make to manhandle the pilots, when they've already had a background check bordering on the TSA crawling up their ass with a microscope, eh ?

I have tremendous respect for commercial airline pilots, especially since aviation safety is one of my hobby studies, and having heard many a CVR tape, these guys are natural heros who even when obviously doomed, never ever quit trying to save the plane and passengers, right up to the very end...

If we can't trust them, there ain't no point to having planes in the first damned place.

We need to back this guy all the way, or have no one to blame but ourselves.

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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
But it's absolutely LUDICROUS to pull the shakedown on the one guy who is ALREADY GONNA BE IN CONTROL OF THE PLANE.

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Originally posted by Kwicko:

Ya wanna hear something scary? I send stuff around the country to trade shows, on shrink-wrapped pallets, so my boss has a tendency to fly with a utility knife in her purse - you know the ones - about 5-6" long, thick retractable razor blade. She keeps it in there, and forgets about it, and she's never once been searched or had anyone notice it when she flies. This has happened no less than half a dozen times.

How secure do y'all feel now?

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
Agreed, Frem. If the pilot is up to no good, his most effective weapon is between his ears, and no scanner is going to pick that up!

And for all the theatre, there's still the fact that on 9/11, the "weapons" used were simple boxcutters.

Ya wanna hear something scary? I send stuff around the country to trade shows, on shrink-wrapped pallets, so my boss has a tendency to fly with a utility knife in her purse - you know the ones - about 5-6" long, thick retractable razor blade. She keeps it in there, and forgets about it, and she's never once been searched or had anyone notice it when she flies. This has happened no less than half a dozen times.

How secure do y'all feel now?


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That is a fucking lie. You can't even get through the detectors with a bic lighter. You are a filthy gay liar. Do you expect us to believe she gets by with a 6' utility knife? You gays are hilarious.

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Originally posted by kaneman:
You gays are hilarious.

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
Ya wanna hear something scary? I send stuff around the country to trade shows, on shrink-wrapped pallets, so my boss has a tendency to fly with a utility knife in her purse - you know the ones - about 5-6" long, thick retractable razor blade. She keeps it in there, and forgets about it, and she's never once been searched or had anyone notice it when she flies. This has happened no less than half a dozen times.

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Originally posted by Geezer:

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
Ya wanna hear something scary? I send stuff around the country to trade shows, on shrink-wrapped pallets, so my boss has a tendency to fly with a utility knife in her purse - you know the ones - about 5-6" long, thick retractable razor blade. She keeps it in there, and forgets about it, and she's never once been searched or had anyone notice it when she flies. This has happened no less than half a dozen times.

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Don't know where your boss flies out of, but I've contributed two or three small (1.5" blade) pocket knives with plastic handles to TSA because I forgot they were in my briefcase. They haven't missed one yet. Maybe your local airports aren't as on the ball as National or Dulles.

"Keep the Shiny side up"

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Originally posted by HKCavalier:
I find it very interesting that the folk who're saying "no big deal" have nothing to say about the specific issue: a pilot in good standing is refused entry to his place of work because he won't submit to this invasive nonsense. Y'know, you get a job at Walmart, you got to expect to be drug tested and treated like garbage, but this pilot was under the false impression that he was a trusted employee.

I also find it very interesting that the folks saying "go ahead and strip search me"--correct me if I'm wrong here--are all men. Certain men on the internet and elsewhere continually respond to women's (and other men's) complaints of being objectified or sexualized or otherwise demeaned in their bodies with the man crowing "I wounldn't mind a little objectification/sexualization/humiliation, etc. heh heh heh," as if the complaints (and by extension, the people making them) are just too pathetic to be taken seriously.

I'm reminded of Freud's old argument that a patient has to pay for therapy in order to value the process. Some folk around here seem to feel that security doesn't really count UNLESS it involves an abridgement of rights; and the more one's rights are abridged the better the security has got to be! The government is selling this "security" and these invasions are "what the market will bear." If this is truly the consensus among "most Americans" then our nation is well and truly fucked.

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Hey, hey, hey, don't be mean. We don't have to be mean, because, remember, no matter where you go, there you are.

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
Ya wanna hear something scary? I send stuff around the country to trade shows, on shrink-wrapped pallets, so my boss has a tendency to fly with a utility knife in her purse - you know the ones - about 5-6" long, thick retractable razor blade. She keeps it in there, and forgets about it, and she's never once been searched or had anyone notice it when she flies. This has happened no less than half a dozen times.

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Don't know where your boss flies out of, but I've contributed two or three small (1.5" blade) pocket knives with plastic handles to TSA because I forgot they were in my briefcase. They haven't missed one yet. Maybe your local airports aren't as on the ball as National or Dulles.

"Keep the Shiny side up"

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
In the employment marketplace, we're all just commodities and resources. Wanna exercise some power to change that equation a bit? Better join a union!

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