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AURaptor

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Tuesday, October 26, 2010 2:41 PM

CHRISISALL


Welcome to the AU thread!
Here, you can learn all about the man hisself!

First, he works for an undisclosed Alphabet agency with the mission of interjecting right-wing ideology and beliefs into a supposed left-wing-ish website. I think we can all agree that this is an EPIC FAIL, but then, if we were truly a threat to the ways of power & profit, would they have commissioned AU???

Second, he really IS a fan of Firefly, which has made this assignment both pleasurable & difficult for him. Love Mal, love Cheney- what a dichotomy to have to operate under!

Third- feel for the guy! He's forced to act like a jerk, while agreeing in his heart with the basic principles under which Mal & Co. are forced to work.

In the end, this thread is all about AU, and HIS needs, and what's best for HIM.

Give a guy a break.


The laughing Chrisisall



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Tuesday, October 26, 2010 2:47 PM

KANEMAN


Man, you are a tool......

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Tuesday, October 26, 2010 2:51 PM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by kaneman:
Man, you are a tool......

A Samurai sword to ignorance, a hammer to intolerance, a palm to the fist, yeah, that's me all over, thanks!


The laughing Chrisisall


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Tuesday, October 26, 2010 2:55 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!



You can't open the book of my life and jump in the middle....




"The modern definition of 'racist' is someone who is winning an argument with a liberal."


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Tuesday, October 26, 2010 2:59 PM

MAL4PREZ


Quote:

Originally posted by chrisisall:
First, he works for an undisclosed Alphabet agency with the mission of interjecting right-wing ideaology and beliefs into a supposed left-wing-ish website.



Hmm... Is he RWED's Palin/Angle/O'Donnell: so deluded and moronic in his bigotry, so laughable in his attempts to support his blindly right-wing biases, that he only serves to energize the liberals and make the left look really, really smart and blessedly capable of reason?

Or is he a left-wing plant?

Who cares. The end result is the same.

-----------------------------------------------
hmm-burble-blah, blah-blah-blah, take a left

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Tuesday, October 26, 2010 3:24 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


MY thread.

I'll define me, unshaven one.

Quote:

so deluded and moronic in his bigotry, so laughable in his attempts to support his blindly right-wing biases


My 'bigotry'? Your humor needs much work.

My right-wing bias isn't blind, in the least. It's the result of careful, clear eyed and logical understanding of what this country was founded on, the freedoms inherent in every individual.

Some of y'all sheep only mock those freedoms, and the idea of freedom, thinking you're entitled to all manner of respect, goodies and right's to the lives and property of others.

Guess what. You aren't.

"The modern definition of 'racist' is someone who is winning an argument with a liberal."


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Tuesday, October 26, 2010 3:33 PM

DREAMTROVE


Chris.

I concur.

Rap works for Military Intelligence in Georgia. I suspect this strongly because they are a major employer in whereever GA he is, which he mentioned, and I look it up. Prior to that I thought he worked for a contractor.

Second, Rap's taste in fiction is much better than his taste in reality. I agree with you that he feels it necessary to take political positions that he probably is not 100% comfy with. I have to confess I've done it myself.

The truth is, I think each of us has, at some point, taken positions just to see what the reaction would be, or how people feel about a certain issue, if it's coming from your position. Many people thought I was doing this with distributism. I was testing the idea, but I was really genuinely surprised at the left response to the idea, which was not only friendly, but to try to own the idea. But I digress, sorry, this was about Rap.

I'll add that like many of us he has wasted far too much time in the "someone is wrong on the internet" trap.

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Tuesday, October 26, 2010 3:52 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by dreamtrove:
Rap's taste in fiction is much better than his taste in reality. I agree with you that he feels it necessary to take political positions that he probably is not 100% comfy with. I have to confess I've done it myself.



To the contrary. I'm VERY comfortable w/ the political positions. What I think has you confused is the distorted views others try to paint me as having which are more times than not, 180 degrees from mine.

Quote:



I'll add that like many of us he has wasted far too much time in the "someone is wrong on the internet" trap.



Yeah, smart point made.

"The modern definition of 'racist' is someone who is winning an argument with a liberal."


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Tuesday, October 26, 2010 6:50 PM

BLUESUNCOMPANYMAN


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Some of y'all sheep only mock those freedoms, and the idea of freedom, thinking you're entitled to all manner of respect, goodies and rights to the lives and property of others.

Guess what. You aren't.


Hear, Hear.

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Wednesday, October 27, 2010 2:24 AM

DREAMTROVE


Quote:

I'm VERY comfortable w/ the political positions.


Yet sometimes you oppose things you supported under Bush. Not that your detractors don't do just the opposite. Though I'll confess I don't recall you supporting bailouts ever, or opposing the war.

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Wednesday, October 27, 2010 3:06 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by dreamtrove:
Quote:

I'm VERY comfortable w/ the political positions.


Yet sometimes you oppose things you supported under Bush.



Examples ?



"The modern definition of 'racist' is someone who is winning an argument with a liberal."


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Wednesday, October 27, 2010 6:12 AM

KANEMAN


Quote:

Originally posted by bluesuncompanyman:
Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Some of y'all sheep only mock those freedoms, and the idea of freedom, thinking you're entitled to all manner of respect, goodies and rights to the lives and property of others.

Guess what. You aren't.


Hear, Hear.



Bravo Bravo

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Wednesday, October 27, 2010 6:16 AM

KANEMAN


Chrisisall..."with the mission of interjecting right-wing ideology and beliefs into a supposed left-wing-ish website."

Explain to me how a website devoted to a show like FF is left-wing-ish. I want to figure out what part of the show you didn't understand.

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Wednesday, October 27, 2010 6:53 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:


Some of y'all sheep only mock those freedoms, and the idea of freedom, thinking you're entitled to all manner of respect, goodies and right's to the lives and property of others.



Yes, "SOME of y'all" really do, Rappy.

Your entire state thinks it's entitled to the lives and property of others. So when can the blue states have their money back, ya freeloader?


The modern definition of "socialist" is anyone who's winning an argument against a tea-bagger.

AURaptor's Greatest Hits:

Friday, September 24, 2010
I hate Obama's America. You're damn right about that.


Friday, May 28, 2010 - 18:26 To President Obama:
Mr. President, you're a god damn, mother fucking liar.
Fuck you, you cock sucking community activist piece of shit.
... go fuck yourself, Mr. President.


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Wednesday, October 27, 2010 7:06 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Our three biggest "righties", Raptor, Kane, Wulf, are among, if not the, most vicious posters, with little of sense to say and totally brain-locked, are exactly as described:
Quote:

RWED's Palin/Angle/O'Donnell: so deluded and moronic in (their) bigotry, so laughable in (their) attempts to support (their) blindly right-wing biases, that (they) only serves to energize the liberals and make the left look really, really smart and blessedly capable of reason.
Their need to put up "personalized threads" is a ridiculous cry for attention and only shows them for what they are: pathetic. I'm sure Kane is next...wait for it...

I bow to their assininity as the best of same that we have here, but I pity the REAL right for not coming up with more coherent advocates.

Why is anyone bothering to pay attention?


Hippie Operative Nikovich Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
Contracted Agent of Veritas Oilspillus, code name “Nike”,
signing off




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Wednesday, October 27, 2010 7:13 AM

STORYMARK


Well, to be fair, Rappy didn't start this thread.

Wulfie's really the only wingnut that indulges in this particular level of navel-gazing.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Wednesday, October 27, 2010 7:59 AM

HERO


Quote:

Originally posted by Niki2:
Their need to put up "personalized threads" is a ridiculous cry for attention and only shows them for what they are...I pity the REAL right for not coming up with more coherent advocates.


Coherent advocates? You can't even get your facts straight about who started this thread.

This thread is either a vicious and unwarranted personal attack, a clear case of cyber bullying, or a joke. I'm thinking its a joke...but I'm not sure anybody but me and The laughing Chrisisall are in on it.

H

"Hero. I have come to respect you." "I am forced to agree with Hero here."- Chrisisall, 2009.
"I would rather not ignore your contributions." Niki2, 2010.

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Wednesday, October 27, 2010 8:03 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Yup, Chris put it up as a joke no doubt. Raptor jumped right in, tho', you'll notice, with
Quote:

MY thread.
So he considers it his thread, whoever put it up, and if he didn't want the attention, he wouldn't claim ownership.


Hippie Operative Nikovich Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
Contracted Agent of Veritas Oilspillus, code name “Nike”,
signing off




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Wednesday, October 27, 2010 8:08 AM

THEHAPPYTRADER


Quote:

I pity the REAL right for not coming up with more coherent advocates.


The REAL right doesn't get to choose their advocates, that's done for them by republican'ts who have lost touch with reality and the media who choose the absolute worst 'conservatives' (whether they are really conservative is debatable) to give airtime.

I know you were speaking of posters on this thread, but I'm referring to politics and the like in general.

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Wednesday, October 27, 2010 8:09 AM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by Hero:
[ I'm thinking its a joke...but I'm not sure anybody but me and The laughing Chrisisall are in on it.





The laughing Chrisisall


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Wednesday, October 27, 2010 8:12 AM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by kaneman:

Explain to me how a website devoted to a show like FF is left-wing-ish. I want to figure out what part of the show you didn't understand.

It's actually centerist, what most ON THE RIGHT call leftist.
But I digress, it's not about US; this is AU's thread, his needs- what's good for HIM.


The laughing Chrisisall


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Wednesday, October 27, 2010 8:16 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:

Yes, "SOME of y'all" really do, Rappy.

Your entire state thinks it's entitled to the lives and property of others. So when can the blue states have their money back, ya freeloader?



More lies and distortions from Kwickie

What else is new ?

We TRIED to fight for independence from your lovely Alliance....err, Union.

Now live w/ it.

"The modern definition of 'racist' is someone who is winning an argument with a liberal."


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Wednesday, October 27, 2010 8:17 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Trader: I agree.


Hippie Operative Nikovich Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
Contracted Agent of Veritas Oilspillus, code name “Nike”,
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Wednesday, October 27, 2010 8:19 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:

Yes, "SOME of y'all" really do, Rappy.

Your entire state thinks it's entitled to the lives and property of others. So when can the blue states have their money back, ya freeloader?



More lies and distortions from Kwickie

What else is new ?

We TRIED to fight for independence from your lovely Alliance....err, Union.

Now live w/ it.




You tried, you lost, you accepted the federal yoke. Now live w/ it yourself.


The modern definition of "socialist" is anyone who's winning an argument against a tea-bagger.

AURaptor's Greatest Hits:

Friday, September 24, 2010
I hate Obama's America. You're damn right about that.


Friday, May 28, 2010 - 18:26 To President Obama:
Mr. President, you're a god damn, mother fucking liar.
Fuck you, you cock sucking community activist piece of shit.
... go fuck yourself, Mr. President.


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Wednesday, October 27, 2010 8:47 AM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:

My right-wing bias isn't blind, in the least. It's the result of careful, clear eyed and logical understanding of what this country was founded on, the freedoms inherent in every individual.


BWAHAHAHAHAH!!! Bravo, man! You are SO funny!! I see that tongue in your cheek.
You ever consider stand up? Man, you kill me with that s**t! LOL!!!!


The laughing Chrisisall


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Wednesday, October 27, 2010 9:09 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by Niki2:Trader: I agree.



Who was the trader ?

Or did you mean " traitor "?

I wasn't born yet. I never tried to over throw anything. Yet.

Those in my state tried, and failed. I personally am fond of the US Constitution. You ? Not so much.

Neither are Democrats, at least this one, Lisa Murkowski, in Alaska.

http://boortz.com/nealz_nuze/2010/10/out-of-the-main-stream.html



"The modern definition of 'racist' is someone who is winning an argument with a liberal."


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Wednesday, October 27, 2010 10:04 AM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
I personally am fond of the US Constitution.






I get chills every time.


The Yang Chrisisall


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Wednesday, October 27, 2010 10:10 AM

JONGSSTRAW


Not too bad of an emotional reading coming from a Canadian Jew. Kirk's gonna be in Orlando at the end of March for Megacon, his first visit to a Fla con in over 20 years! Be there or be a Denebian Slime Devil.





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Wednesday, October 27, 2010 10:15 AM

DREAMTROVE


Rap,

nothing comes to mind at the moment, I was thinking of something, but I actually don't want to go through posts trawling for trolling, so I'll let you fill me in.

My recollection:

You supported Bush maybe 80% of the time, and oppose Obama maybe 60%, and since I tend to think Obama=Bush, it seems...

Specifically, Things you supported that I opposed:
(Bush)
The War
Torture
Restrictions on habeas corpus
patriot act
this all falls under an authoritarian set

You didn't really support Bush on healthcare or bailouts, so I'll give you those, you opposed them then and now, and you don't oppose Obama on the war and dictatorship as above.

So, yeah, maybe I got nothing.

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Wednesday, October 27, 2010 10:23 AM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
Not too bad of an emotional reading


Peeps have attacked Omega Glory for having the parallel development thing ( I prefer the parallel Universe permanent intrusion anomaly theory myself), the 'patriotism', and other stuff, but it remains in my top 10 episode list due in no small part to Shatner's (Kirk's) very spirited (partial) recitation of my favourite political document in history.

(OOps! Sorry to borrow your thread for that comment, AU!)


The laughing Chrisisall


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Wednesday, October 27, 2010 10:51 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by dreamtrove:

So, yeah, maybe I got nothing.



Well, thanks for being honest and taking time to at least go through the process.

As for Bush's spending, I opposed to the Federal prescription drug plan, though it has been fairly successful. I opposed the TARP plan, on principle, though I have to admit, it worked.

I try to be consistent, though, I am only.... human.

"The modern definition of 'racist' is someone who is winning an argument with a liberal."


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Wednesday, October 27, 2010 1:13 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Quote:

Originally posted by Niki2:Trader: I agree.



Who was the trader ?



Pretty sure she was talking to TheHappyTrader. Hence the "Trader" moniker. Believe it or not, the whole thread really ISN'T all yours.

Quote:


Or did you mean " traitor "?



Well, if she were addressing you, then yes.

Quote:


I wasn't born yet. I never tried to over throw anything. Yet.



Oh, goody - more veiled half-threats from the local Internet Tough Guy. You'll never try to overthrow anything, period, because you're a coward to your core.

Quote:


Those in my state tried, and failed. I personally am fond of the US Constitution. You ? Not so much.



You're so proud of the Constitution, but you're also quite proud that your state tried to overthrow the government and leave the Union in order to not govern by that Constitution.

Quote:


Neither are Democrats, at least this one, Lisa Murkowski, in Alaska.



Crassic. She's a lifelong Republican, running as a Republican, in a write-in campaign.



The modern definition of "socialist" is anyone who's winning an argument against a tea-bagger.

AURaptor's Greatest Hits:

Friday, September 24, 2010
I hate Obama's America. You're damn right about that.


Friday, May 28, 2010 - 18:26 To President Obama:
Mr. President, you're a god damn, mother fucking liar.
Fuck you, you cock sucking community activist piece of shit.
... go fuck yourself, Mr. President.


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Wednesday, October 27, 2010 1:26 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!



She's not on the Republican ticket,and lacks the proper respect for the Constitution, she might as well be a Democrat.

"The modern definition of 'racist' is someone who is winning an argument with a liberal."


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Wednesday, October 27, 2010 1:46 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


She's not on the Democratic ticket, and if she lacked understanding of the Constitution, the tea-baggers would have rushed to endorse her.


The modern definition of "socialist" is anyone who's winning an argument against a tea-bagger.

AURaptor's Greatest Hits:

Friday, September 24, 2010
I hate Obama's America. You're damn right about that.


Friday, May 28, 2010 - 18:26 To President Obama:
Mr. President, you're a god damn, mother fucking liar.
Fuck you, you cock sucking community activist piece of shit.
... go fuck yourself, Mr. President.


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Wednesday, October 27, 2010 1:50 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:

and if she lacked understanding of the Constitution, the tea-baggers would have rushed to endorse her.



Clearly, that's not the case.

"The modern definition of 'racist' is someone who is winning an argument with a liberal."


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Wednesday, October 27, 2010 3:11 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Tea-baggers are endorsing candidates who want to overturn the First, Fourth, Fourteenth, Sixteenth, and Seventeenth Amendments, among others.

Republicans have always backed these kinds of people.

The Constitution and its Amendments don't mean a goddamn thing to these people. It's just a goddamn piece of paper to them, and a damned inconvenient one at that.


The modern definition of "socialist" is anyone who's winning an argument against a tea-bagger.

AURaptor's Greatest Hits:

Friday, September 24, 2010
I hate Obama's America. You're damn right about that.


Friday, May 28, 2010 - 18:26 To President Obama:
Mr. President, you're a god damn, mother fucking liar.
Fuck you, you cock sucking community activist piece of shit.
... go fuck yourself, Mr. President.


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Wednesday, October 27, 2010 3:15 PM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:

The Constitution and its Amendments don't mean a goddamn thing to these people. It's just a goddamn piece of paper to them, and a damned inconvenient one at that.



A stumbling block, as it were.


The laughing Chrisisall


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Wednesday, October 27, 2010 3:15 PM

CHRISISALL


Ooops! Double stumbling block/

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Wednesday, October 27, 2010 3:18 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
Tea-baggers are endorsing candidates who want to overturn the First, Fourth, Fourteenth, Sixteenth, and Seventeenth Amendments, among others.

Republicans have always backed these kinds of people.



Complete and total lie.

Quote:

The Constitution and its Amendments don't mean a goddamn thing to these people. It's just a goddamn piece of paper to them, and a damned inconvenient one at that.


You speak of Liberals, of course.

"The modern definition of 'racist' is someone who is winning an argument with a liberal."


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Wednesday, October 27, 2010 3:26 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
Tea-baggers are endorsing candidates who want to overturn the First, Fourth, Fourteenth, Sixteenth, and Seventeenth Amendments, among others.

Republicans have always backed these kinds of people.



Complete and total lie.



Prove it. You can't, of course, because it's 100% true. You've backed these people, because you believe in their cause and want the parts of the Constitution you find "pesky" to be thrown in the garbage. And if you can't do that, you'd just as soon toss out the whole document and join an armed revolt. But not "yet", right? ;)

Quote:


Quote:

The Constitution and its Amendments don't mean a goddamn thing to these people. It's just a goddamn piece of paper to them, and a damned inconvenient one at that.


You speak of Liberals, of course.





No, I speak of you and your bunch of racist, bigoted tea-bagging scum and GOP Quislings.


[Yawn...] Bored now.


The modern definition of "socialist" is anyone who's winning an argument against a tea-bagger.

AURaptor's Greatest Hits:

Friday, September 24, 2010
I hate Obama's America. You're damn right about that.


Friday, May 28, 2010 - 18:26 To President Obama:
Mr. President, you're a god damn, mother fucking liar.
Fuck you, you cock sucking community activist piece of shit.
... go fuck yourself, Mr. President.


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Wednesday, October 27, 2010 3:36 PM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
You've backed these people, because you believe in their cause and want the parts of the Constitution you find "pesky" to be thrown in the garbage. And if you can't do that, you'd just as soon toss out the whole document and join an armed revolt. But not "yet", right? ;)



Dude, ease up, aiight? He's not ready to be unplugged yet. His is not a young mind.
Remember Neo?



The laughing Chrisisall


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Wednesday, October 27, 2010 3:38 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!



Burden of proof lies on you, Axelrod.

Quote:

The Constitution and its Amendments don't mean a goddamn thing to these people. It's just a goddamn piece of paper to them, and a damned inconvenient one at that.



And this quote perfectly fits the Left wing dogma. You and your commie losers hate the Constitution,and loathe the freedoms which it protects. That's why the TEA party is so well accepted by REAL Americans. Those who know and love the spirit by which the Founders crafted the US Constitution. It's this history of this country the TEA Party movement emulates, and which you mock and ridicule.



"The modern definition of 'racist' is someone who is winning an argument with a liberal."


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Wednesday, October 27, 2010 3:41 PM

CHRISISALL


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Originally posted by AURaptor:


And this quote perfectly fits the Left wing dogma.

Yet Bush spoke it...
Follow the white rabbit, AUo.


The laughing Chrisisall


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Wednesday, October 27, 2010 5:58 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


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Originally posted by AURaptor:

Burden of proof lies on you, Axelrod.



Since you can't find ANYTHING to disprove what I stated.

Here's your proof:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036677/#39880604

Quote:

The Constitution and its Amendments don't mean a goddamn thing to these people. It's just a goddamn piece of paper to them, and a damned inconvenient one at that.



And this quote perfectly fits the right wing dogma. You and your fascist tea-baggers hate the Constitution,and loathe the freedoms which it protects. That's why the TEA party is so well rejected by REAL Americans. Those who know and love the spirit by which the Founders crafted the US Constitution know that the TEA party is a joke. It's the REAL history of this country the TEA Party movement hates, which is why the TEA party is mocked and ridiculed across this nation.




The modern definition of "socialist" is anyone who's winning an argument against a tea-bagger.

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Thursday, October 28, 2010 2:38 AM

AURAPTOR

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:


And this quote perfectly fits the Left wing dogma.

Yet Bush spoke it...
Follow the white rabbit, AUo.


The laughing Chrisisall




That Bush said that line is one of the more oft repeated fables of the Left.

Wake up, Neoisall.



"The modern definition of 'racist' is someone who is winning an argument with a liberal."


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Thursday, October 28, 2010 3:03 AM

HERO


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Originally posted by Kwicko:
You're so proud of the Constitution, but you're also quite proud that your state tried to overthrow the government and leave the Union in order to not govern by that Constitution.


While that might seem confusing on the surface, it is not an uncommon attitude in the South.

Take me for example. I'm from West Virginia. I'm proud of the Constitution, proud of Virginians who fought bravely for what they believed in what was a losing cause, and proud of the West Virginians who rebelled against Richmond to form the great State of West Virginia.

I note for the record that many states have a history of rebellion. The original 13, Texas, West Virginia, Rhode Island, and all of New England (who had in mind their own Confederacy at one point).

I have also previously explained that the Constitution does provide for leaving the union...in which case most states would revert to territories, not independent countries. Only states with pre-existing sovereignty could claim true independence. Texas, the 13 originals, Hawaii...thats pretty much it.

H

"Hero. I have come to respect you." "I am forced to agree with Hero here."- Chrisisall, 2009.
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Thursday, October 28, 2010 10:08 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Bush saying the Constitution was just a piece of paper isn't a "fable":
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Last month, Republican Congressional leaders filed into the Oval Office to meet with President George W. Bush and talk about renewing the controversial USA Patriot Act.

Several provisions of the act, passed in the shell-shocked period immediately following the 9/11 terrorist attacks, caused enough anger that liberal groups like the American Civil Liberties Union had joined forces with prominent conservatives like Phyllis Schlafly and Bob Barr to oppose renewal.

GOP leaders told Bush that his hardcore push to renew the more onerous provisions of the act could further alienate conservatives still mad at the President from his botched attempt to nominate White House Counsel Harriet Miers to the Supreme Court.

"I don't give a goddamn," Bush retorted. "I'm the President and the Commander-in-Chief. Do it my way."

"Mr. President," one aide in the meeting said. "There is a valid case that the provisions in this law undermine the Constitution."

"Stop throwing the Constitution in my face," Bush screamed back. "It's just a goddamned piece of paper!"

I've talked to three people who were either present for the meeting that day or had knowledge of what happened inside the meeting and they all says the President of the United States called the Constitution "a goddamned piece of paper."

http://www.capitolhillblue.com/artman/publish/article_7779.shtml

Yes, of course you will say it isn't true because of the source, and because the three people who told him what they'd heard didn't dare go on record in a White House famouse for retribution. So I'm not talking to you.

But for others who might contemplate whether or not he said it, consider that at the time the conservatives WERE trying to caution him, he HAD alienated many by his usurpation of Constitutional provisions, and:
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I tend to think that no one would have wasted the time for even mentioning his comments on the Constitution in passing if there weren’t an already solid history in Bush abuses, flipping the camera man off, patriot act, Hitler like executive orders, yawn …. etc… so even if you don’t feel Bush could have said such a thing, take a look at the video and some of the things he has done to the Constitution and Americans in general.
http://polidics.com/news/george-w-bush-the-constitution-is-just-a-godd
amn-piece-of-paper.html


It can't be proven unless someone steps forth after they quit the White House and admits it; maybe someday someone will, but given the potential repercussions from anyone else they'd want to work for, I doubt it.

So it's no "fable", it's an unverifiable report.


Hippie Operative Nikovich Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
Contracted Agent of Veritas Oilspillus, code name “Nike”,
signing off




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Thursday, October 28, 2010 10:18 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


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Originally posted by Niki2:

So it's no "fable", it's an unverifiable report.



AKA ... fable.



"The modern definition of 'racist' is someone who is winning an argument with a liberal."


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Thursday, October 28, 2010 10:25 AM

CHRISISALL


Like WMD.

Wait...


The laughing Chrisisall


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Thursday, October 28, 2010 10:59 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by chrisisall:
Like WMD.

Wait...




Yep. Just a fable.



"The modern definition of 'racist' is someone who is winning an argument with a liberal."


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