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Originally posted by Wishimay:
I've gotten to the point where I just take it for granted that entering RWED instantly comes with *WARNING-crazy is the language most often spoken here!* labels...

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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
Well, I suppose in the technical sense, she is.

I mean, it's not like we made any great secret of the fact that we financially and logistically supported her relief efforts in the gulf, nor that we have other lines a communication besides RWED.

You really think that if there was a chance to stick a pin in her local jackboot wannabes, and I didn't think the doin of it would compromise her principles I wouldn't hand her the chance to do it ?

You really think she wouldn't take it ?

But then, while it's pretty obvious why the RWAs have such a shrieking fit about the lady, I think what's pissin John off more than a little is that she happens to have more of my confidence and support than he does, in other words, simple jealousy.

Or, yanno, I could just be sayin all that to wind em up even worse - works either way, so it's win-win on that front.


So Nyyyyaaah!

-Frem
I do not serve the Blind God.

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Originally posted by Wishimay:
I've gotten to the point where I just take it for granted that entering RWED instantly comes with *WARNING-crazy is the language most often spoken here!* labels...

Some days I think that is half the fun,though, visit insanity- go back to normal boring life.

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Originally posted by kaneman:
I don't think niki2 is gay. Now, Kwicko is a different story...that boy lives with a cucumber up his ass. Niki may be an old unwashed hippie chick, but I'm sure she likes sucking cock. So, my point is Kwicko should die...not Niki2.

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I don't think niki2 is gay. Now, Kwicko is a different story...that boy lives with a cucumber up his ass. Niki may be an old unwashed hippie chick, but I'm sure she likes sucking cock. So, my point is Kwicko should die...not Niki2.

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You obsess over Kwik's sexuality so much, I have come to assume you are deeply in the closet yourself. Come out, you'll be happier that way.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
Kaneman, here's something your mouth needs.....

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I don't think niki2 is gay. Now, Kwicko is a different story...that boy lives with a cucumber up his ass. Niki may be an old unwashed hippie chick, but I'm sure she likes sucking cock. So, my point is Kwicko should die...not Niki2.

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You obsess over Kwik's sexuality so much, I have come to assume you are deeply in the closet yourself. Come out, you'll be happier that way.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Stated like a queer with experience. You gays crack me up.

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Originally posted by Niki2:
I don’t know if any of you can ever understand this, but to me it’s the person, not the sex of the person, which I find sexy, loveable, whatever you want to call it.

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I don't think niki2 is gay. Now, Kwicko is a different story...that boy lives with a cucumber up his ass. Niki may be an old unwashed hippie chick, but I'm sure she likes sucking cock. So, my point is Kwicko should die...not Niki2.

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You obsess over Kwik's sexuality so much, I have come to assume you are deeply in the closet yourself. Come out, you'll be happier that way.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Stated like a queer with experience. You gays crack me up.

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Thou dost protest too much.

You clearly can't get gay guys off your mind. You bring it up every chance you get, and force it in any other time. I think a clear picture is forming.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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I don't think niki2 is gay. Now, Kwicko is a different story...that boy lives with a cucumber up his ass. Niki may be an old unwashed hippie chick, but I'm sure she likes sucking cock. So, my point is Kwicko should die...not Niki2.

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they so love life and liberty that they will straight-up fucking MURDER YOUR ASS if you don't believe in their exact kind of life and liberty.

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So day after day, I hear righties like Kaney, Rappy, Wulfie, and PN saying straight out that I should be murdered, for no reason other than that I don't believe like they do.

And to date, not one single right-winger has ever stepped forward to "police their own".

By the logic of the righties, that means you really all DO want me murdered, right? You hate me so much for exercising my freedoms, I'm such an overwhelming threat to your existence, that I should be killed outright.

It's very revealing. It tells me an awful lot about every "conservative" here, and what you REALLY believe, down in that deep, dark hole where you hide.

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Originally posted by Bytemite:

Hey now.

1) Evidence that Niki is anything other than she claims is weak at best. She might be a spokesperson for the democratic party, it's possible, which is what I think you mean when you call her an Operative. But you don't attack someone unless you know, and even then, telling someone you want them to die over the internet is some ugly business.

2) Even in the Serenity movie, Mal didn't kill the Operative.

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Mal killed a cop in the Serenity comic, plus a whole lotto other folk. In fact, every member of Serenity killed a lotta folk.

Mal fought the Operative in mortal combat, for his right to post a video on an internet forum, a crime punishable by death.

Mal woulda killed the Operative, if the assassin hadn't backed down after being paralyzed. Mal did promise to kill him if he ever saw him again.

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As soon as some of these boys find out someone is a woman, they invariably turn pervasively ugly in their dealings with them. It sickens me.

It's the central problem with the right as I see it: they have no respect for women or for emotional people in general. They violate their children, they ignore and talk down to the women in their lives, they readily justify profound abuse and violation of their "enemies" without a trace of empathy, and they violate their own emotional selves with their ideologically driven contempt for what they've been forced to see as weakness.

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Originally posted by SignyM:
Hey, but it was fun while it lasted. I thought Signy M would be detectable with a little bit of digging

http://webspace.webring.com/people/ar/ravenfield/lyrics/3/sm.HTML.
But RUE??? Rue figured that "Rue" was such a blatantly feminine name that everyone would figure that out. I guess if I want to come back for some unbiased discussion, I'll have to sockpuppet.

Male conservatives.. sigh. So friggin' fragile!.

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Originally posted by Bytemite:
Some of the things that get said are very anti-feministic or in Wulf's case even misogynistic (he likes shock value 9_9), but I've never seen any of them attack someone just on the basis of being a woman.

And that last paragraph, is as much of a demonization of "all" conservatives as conservatives demonize "all liberals."

Oh look, I wasn't whiny and didn't talk down to you. It's a Halloween miracle. Yes, I'm bitter.

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Originally posted by piratenews:

The problem with USA is that it's populated with cowards, regardless of sexual preference. Yes, there're some great gay patriots, but Nikovich aint one of em.

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Rosanne Barr: people are saying that 9-11 was an inside bush job

Um...I SAY BUSH DID IT, OK? Bush was the president and he knew about it in advance, and so did Condi and so did Cheney and so did Rumsfeld. and he did nothing to stop it, and that has been proven. You are completely wrong--the 9-11 truth community did not begin BEFORE 9-11!

Why are you defending a mass murderer? I am not a machine, or imposing anything on you at all! I say Bush did it and I also say his dad killed jfk! I will say what I think here on my blog, in case you didn't know that.

Bush needed a big war to cover his real war against the working class. His father took control of this country after he executed Kennedy, and the CIA has run it ever since. REmember Poppy Bush was the head of the CIA, and was quite upset that black people were getting too powerful. Check it out, it's all true---read Trance Formation America.

Bush Sr.was head of the cia when he took control of this country through a coup that killed president kennedy. He needed to get his hands on social security and tax money so that he and cheney could build Dubai with it, and retire there to have sex with underaged prostitutes. Mossad is the CIA too, and so are the Jesuits. You guys are so positive and kind of naive too, in a way, God love you though. You start getting political around 2001, after the us killed millions of civilians for oil in vietnam, and after the us killed and tortured hundreds of thousands in SA for decades for american business interests, and after Desert Storm, Nagasaki Hiroshima and every other shameful satanic thing we have done--not to mention 10,000 tribes of dead native Americans who live below third world level in our backyards. Yes, 9-11 was a wake up call for the middle classes, but everyone else has known for hundreds of years that this entire country was built by slavery by oppression and by secret operations to murder those who disagreed with the Power at the Top. (the Bush family is part of the English Royal family, don't forget--america became a country in the most conservative revolution of all time, and was founded on only rich white male property owners being able to vote--don't overly romantisize our history, and pretend it was all good until 9-11.

i am well aquainted with all the above, believe me, the sauds, the carlysle group, the fed and all of it. I have big time spooky friends too--including Michael Moore, Cynthia Mckinney and others.

I am not shooting off at the hip at all when I say that Bush (W and Sr.) colluded with the sauds and the international mf and the insurance companies, the cia and mossad to do this to america in order to get at the piles of social security money and other tax money in the usa, on behalf of "the investor classes"--in the name of rogue capitalism (pirates and criminals) his homeys.

They (bush family interests) staged an international monetary coup, and took over the ME drug trade and oil trade, as well as put Iran into checkmate, as it functions as China's gas station, among other things, all of which is mentioned in Condi Rice's "project for a new century" that follows the dictates of Zbigniew Brzezinski plan for the retainment of us power in the middle east.

That is what the people I know are saying about 9-11, and they are saying it because there is more and more proof of it. Sorry if that upsets anyone. Follow the money. The rich are attacking the poor now, and making the poor fund it all, while keeping opiates cheap and making huge profits there too.

Yes, Clinton was and is another us drug lord (mena airport and nafta). Yes there is only one party in this country--the money party...but---the democratic party as putrid as it is has alan grayson and other socialists within it and we need a ton more of them this election cycle, it's our only hope. People are letting bush w. and cheney and rumsfeld off the hook for torture and mass murder --why? (funding is threatened by mentioning their names, that's why---when we asked Bono to help us in the 2000 and 2004 elections, we were told that his funding would be cut if he opposed the republican party)--its a stinking scam from top to bottom, and big money is behind all of it, especially the republicans who despise socialism because it helps blacks, and they are racists, and their black members are self haters--(the highest degree minorities and women can attain in this social structure is to be a rogue self hater that hates everyone like themself, toadies and trolls).

But socialism will prevail here and everywhere else--and in america it will be peculiarly american and be mixed with some capitalism--it will be called people-ism and it will work and nothing will be able to stop it, look at south america if you do not believe me. Things are changing.

www.roseanneworld.com/blog/2010/10/people-are-saying-that-9-11-wa.php

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It's the central problem with the right as I see it: they have no respect for women or for emotional people in general. They violate their children, they ignore and talk down to the women in their lives, they readily justify profound abuse and violation of their "enemies" without a trace of empathy, and they violate their own emotional selves with their ideologically driven contempt for what they've been forced to see as weakness.

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Marilee sat down with the abruptness of a gun returning to battery. She laughed as she looked out the window through which she could see nothing but sky from her present low angle. "Well," she said, "Danny, I suppose you'd better explain that. I hadn't expected to hear from a mercenary that force doesn't accomplish anything."
"Ex-mercenary," Pritchard corrected. The smile was back. "And force accomplishes a lot of things. They just aren't the ones you want here. Bring in the Slammers and we kick ass for as long as you pay us. Six months, a year. And we kick ass even if the other side brings in mercs of their own—which they'll do—but that's not a problem, not if you've got us." Unit pride lasted even after the unit's work became a matter of distaste. Pride beamed now from Danny Pritchard's face, and his hand caressed a tank that only his mind could see.
"So," the man went on. He got up without thinking about the action because he was focused on plans, on possibilities. "There's what? Three hundred thousand people on Tethys?"
Marilee's eyes narrowed. "On the Council Islands, about. There's a lot more in little holdings on the unclaimed islands, but I don't think anyone can be sure of numbers."
"So," Pritchard repeated. The word was his equivalent of the Enter key when his mind was computing possibilities. "You want to kill fifty kay? Fifty thousand people, let's remember they're people for the moment."
"I don't want to kill anybody!" the woman snapped. She swung abruptly to her feet again. Her boots rapped on the inlaid floor over which her visitor's heels had glided unheard. "I don't even want to kill Bev Dyson. I grew up with him, after all, I . . . maybe he did kill my husband. But I don't want to know that for sure. And I don't want him killed."
"You see," said Danny Pritchard, as if he had not heard his companion expose a part of herself that she had not known existed, "if we go in quick and dirty, the only way that has a prayer of working is if we get them all. If we get everybody who opposes you, everybody related to them, everybody who called them master—everybody."
"They aren't all dangerous!" Marilee shouted. She turned to the wall of trophies and went on in nearly as loud a voice. "They aren't any of them dangerous, except maybe a few. What are you talking about?" She spun back to Pritchard.
The ex-soldier nodded in agreement. "They're not dangerous now, but they will be after the killing starts. Believe me—" he raised a hand to forestall another protest— "I've seen it often enough. Not all of them, but one in ten, one in a hundred. One in a thousand's enough when he blasts your car down over the ocean a year from now. You'll see. It changes people, the killing does. Once it starts, there's no way to stop it but all the way to the end. If you figure to still live here on Tethys."
"M—Danny!" the woman said. "I told you, I don't want killing. Why do you keep saying that?"
"What do you think the Slammers do, milady?" asked Danny Pritchard. His grin was wide as a demon's, as cruel as the muzzle of the guns he remembered using so well. "Work magic? We kill, and we're good at it, bloody good. You call the Slammers in to solve your problems here and you'll be able to cover the Port with the corpses. I guarantee it. I've done it, milady. In my time."

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So day after day, I hear righties like Kaney, Rappy, Wulfie, and PN saying straight out that I should be murdered, for no reason other than that I don't believe like they do.

And to date, not one single right-winger has ever stepped forward to "police their own".

By the logic of the righties, that means you really all DO want me murdered, right? You hate me so much for exercising my freedoms, I'm such an overwhelming threat to your existence, that I should be killed outright.

It's very revealing. It tells me an awful lot about every "conservative" here, and what you REALLY believe, down in that deep, dark hole where you hide.

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I'm fairly new here, wouldn't seem right for me to 'police' anyone, but I agree that all the name calling and 'threatening' is pointless and disrespectful, whether there is any meaning behind it or not. I would argue that you can't judge all conservatives, or even all RWED conservatives by the hatred of 4 people, but you have every right to be angry.

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Far as that teacher goes, how the hell did someone like that have a full time teaching job when I'm stuck working part-time teaching after-school programs and private lessons? Oh yeah, cause I was an idealistic fool who finished a music ed major after the economy and government screwed us all over...

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Originally posted by Kwicko:

Funny, because we keep being told by the righties here that if Muslims weren't so radical, they'd be speaking out and policing their own, denouncing the hatred and vitriol.

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So day after day, I hear righties like Kaney, Rappy, Wulfie, and PN saying straight out that I should be murdered, for no reason other than that I don't believe like they do.

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And to date, not one single right-winger has ever stepped forward to "police their own".

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By the logic of the righties, that means you really all DO want me murdered, right? You hate me so much for exercising my freedoms, I'm such an overwhelming threat to your existence, that I should be killed outright.

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It's very revealing. It tells me an awful lot about every "conservative" here, and what you REALLY believe, down in that deep, dark hole where you hide.

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And it's so very ironic that you mention Wulf. Back when you first came to this board and Wulf found out you were female he immediately started laying into you and trying to push your buttons any which way he could, even though you weren't saying anything Frem and others hadn't said to him already. This has been an M.O. with Wulf, though he's since expanded his contempt to include all and sundry.

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Originally posted by Bytemite:
No, I was including Wulf. He first asked me if I was a man-castrating feminazi, and then the rest of his comments were harmless.

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Hard core iconoclast? Do I SEEM conservative to you? I'm not either one.

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But when someone is being mischaracterized, demonized, and/or told they should go die, then no matter how much I disagree with them, I'm going to call that out. Well, mostly. I used to object to whenever kaneman, kwicko, and AURaptor got into their spats, but I eventually realized they kinda like it that way.

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Originally posted by canttakesky:
I hate to disagree with you, HK (it almost never happens). But I don't think gender has anything to do with it. In all my years here on RWED, I was most hurt by posts made by SignyM and Rue, and we are all women.

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I think you're practicing a bit of revisionist history, but, y'know, that's your call.

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I don't know what it is. You seem able to have perfectly reasonable conversations with plenty of people on this board, but when you talk to me you repeatedly ignore crucial context and accuse me of all manner of wickedness.

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Honestly, I find your political ideas kinda all over the map. You seem much more interested in not being "pigeon holed" than you are in presenting a coherent point of view. That's just my read. I assume you are a much more coherent individual than I have so far been able to suss out, so I try not to get into it with you.

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You cannot fight how others think or feel about ya without trying to control them--you know what I mean? You end up like a Totalitarianism-of-One, with your own personal Politburo trying to control the flow of information. It is a strategy guaranteed to alienate the hell out of people, which, seems to be the point more often than not with the folks who employ it.

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There's a reason for that, too, isn't there?

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Originally posted by HKCavalier:
So, my saying that there's misogyny at the core of why folks like Wulf and Kane attack Niki and other women on this board in the way they do, negates the possibility that Signy and Rue might hurt you?

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RWED is a boiling cauldron of political resentment, and sure misogyny will sometimes piggyback on said resentment. Maybe of all the attacks on liberals, misogynists would be harsher on female liberals than on male ones. But I don't think misogyny is the main fuel for the hatred, if you will.

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Not all conservatives are religious, and even many religious conservatives, like Happy Trader, don't buy into those interpretations and support gay rights.

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Originally posted by Bytemite:
You continue to make the error of saying that all conservatives are the same. Yet, it annoys you when conservatives say all liberals are the same.

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