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Thursday, October 28, 2010 11:39 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
Dont hurt yourself Kwicko-Nixo.

I hope and am sure your rally will be a huge success.

By all means, praise noone and pass the patchuli.




Is Peter Noone attending?


The modern definition of "socialist" is anyone who's winning an argument against a tea-bagger.

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Thursday, October 28, 2010 11:45 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

As to "The guy on the right is actually pretty on target". that also disqualifies you in my book; you're claiming Obama supports abortion, socialism and the New World Order???


Obama "supports" abortion in exactly the same way that the tea-baggers support rape, incest, and forced breeding programs. After all, they support FORCING every pregnancy to term, with no exceptions at all, even in cases of rape and incest, or medical necessity.

How do they plan on their "small government" actually overseeing every pregnancy in the nation? That is what they're advocating. Federal oversight of every single pregnancy. Big Brother watching over your shoulder at every step.

That's your tea party.




The modern definition of "socialist" is anyone who's winning an argument against a tea-bagger.

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Thursday, October 28, 2010 1:51 PM

DREAMTROVE


Quote:

Obama "supports" abortion in exactly the same way that the tea-baggers support rape, incest, and forced breeding programs. After all, they support FORCING every pregnancy to term, with no exceptions at all, even in cases of rape and incest, or medical necessity.

How do they plan on their "small government" actually overseeing every pregnancy in the nation? That is what they're advocating. Federal oversight of every single pregnancy. Big Brother watching over your shoulder at every step.

That's your tea party.



Nonsense. Obama supports abortion by supporting it. Not only supporting its legalization, supporting the availability of the abortion pill and funding for it.

Besides, this is a wedge issue, but it's clear that the pic is from a RTL rally. You're surprised that the people at it oppose abortion? Most people do.

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Saturday, October 30, 2010 2:18 PM

WHOZIT


No one will be talking about this on Monday, unless the story is about how Becks rally was bigger......cause it was.

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Saturday, October 30, 2010 3:01 PM

CANTTAKESKY


Quote:

Originally posted by dreamtrove:
The guy on the right is actually pretty on target, parse the bit about sodomy. Also, he's being very non-partisan about it.



I would agree that the guy is on target in the sense that IF he defines certain positions as support for "abortion, sodomy, socialism, and the NWO," then at least he applies those definitions equally and fairly regardless of partisanship.

If Obama supports those things, then yes, Clinton and Bush supported them too. Good for him for pointing that out. :)

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Saturday, October 30, 2010 4:00 PM

LILI

Doing it backwards. Walking up the downslide.


Quote:

Originally posted by whozit:
Becks rally was bigger


It was bigger than an estimated 200,000 people in Washington DC and uncounted others gathering in cities all across the nation? Are you sure about that?




Facts are stubborn things.

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Saturday, October 30, 2010 4:36 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


http://thenewsoftoday.com/rally-to-restore-sanity-crowd-estimate-for-a
ttendance-numbers-too-low/4425
/

Estimates from a low of 150,000 to a high of over 250,000.

There is a non-partisan group that applies the same criteria when estimating crowd size at these events, and so far they have pissed off both sides (they said the Million Man March was really closer to 250,000, which pissed off the left, and they said the Beck rally was around 87,000, which pissed off the right). I'd like to see their numbers, since it seems they don't really have a dog in this fight.




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Sunday, October 31, 2010 2:03 AM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


Quote:

Originally posted by whozit:
No one will be talking about this on Monday, unless the story is about how Becks rally was bigger......cause it was.



I doubt it. Seeing that it has made news around the world.

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Sunday, October 31, 2010 3:18 AM

DREAMTROVE


Anyone happen to listen to his actual speech?

This isn't about opposition to Glenn Beck. I saw Stewart in an interview where someone asked him about that before hand, and he said no, rally is a new format for delivering a message, he was just taking a page from Beck's book, that Beck may have taken from Louis Farrahkhan's. The new rally isn't a protest, it's a communal gathering to exchange ideas, meet people. I would've gone, but I had an important prior business arrangement.

This idea is very clearly stated in his speech. He also made it clear on his show.

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Sunday, October 31, 2010 6:23 AM

STORYMARK


Quote:

Originally posted by whozit:
No one will be talking about this on Monday, unless the story is about how Becks rally was bigger......cause it was.




Hahahahaha!

We know you were hoping that would be so, but it is simply not - not be a long shot.

Nearly twice the attendance of the Beck rally.

Deal.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Sunday, October 31, 2010 6:37 AM

KANEMAN


Quote:

Originally posted by dreamtrove:
Anyone happen to listen to his actual speech?

This isn't about opposition to Glenn Beck. I saw Stewart in an interview where someone asked him about that before hand, and he said no, rally is a new format for delivering a message, he was just taking a page from Beck's book, that Beck may have taken from Louis Farrahkhan's. The new rally isn't a protest, it's a communal gathering to exchange ideas, meet people. I would've gone, but I had an important prior business arrangement.

This idea is very clearly stated in his speech. He also made it clear on his show.




I agree with DT here. This was no rally for liberals. Infact it was a rally against Kwicko, Nikki2, Kaneman, Aurapt, etc...That nikki2 is cheering this on is hilarious, she is the exact type stewart is against. His video on the left and right media proves that. Put into context with his disrespect and smack down on the president 4 days earlier. I think Nikki2 and others here missed stewarts point all together. Most RWED'ers would not have been welcome.....Well, it's true.....



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Kwicko, I formally condemn your mother for not aborting you. Yeah, I'm sure her brother was happy to have a son, but you are inexcusable....

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Sunday, October 31, 2010 6:43 AM

STORYMARK


It cute seeing you try and wrap your head around this. You'll fail of course, but it's nice that you try...

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Sunday, October 31, 2010 7:00 AM

HKCAVALIER


Quote:

Originally posted by dreamtrove:
The new rally isn't a protest, it's a communal gathering to exchange ideas, meet people.

I like your take away, DT. It's funny though: your description of "the new rally" is exactly the reason I've ever gone to rallies or participated in protests. Not to force TPTB to do such-&-such (yeah, like that's gonna work!) but for the exact reason you describe. That, and to feel what it's like to be surrounded by several thousand folks who feel the same way I do. It's encouraging and inspiring to be a part of something like that. (You know, like becoming part of an online community that admires a great t.v. show or something.)

I think Jon Stewart did something new and very important on Saturday. I look forward to watching the repercussions. We live in weird times--hard times, not end times!

HKCavalier

Hey, hey, hey, don't be mean. We don't have to be mean, because, remember, no matter where you go, there you are.

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Sunday, October 31, 2010 7:05 AM

KANEMAN


Quote:

Originally posted by Storymark:
It cute seeing you try and wrap your head around this. You'll fail of course, but it's nice that you try...

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."




SkidMark, I think you are being unreasonable....

Also, I am not the spelling fairy, but I'm pretty sure "It cute...." is wrong.

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Sunday, October 31, 2010 7:31 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


I was going to the meet-up to watch the rally in San Francisco, and ended up getting sick as a dog Friday night and all day Saturday (to, I have no doubt, the enjoyment and excuse for snarks from my enemies here). But at least I got to watch it (mostly "hear", 'cuz opening my eyes made me dizzy) from my bed.

I was shocked when I saw the number of people. No, it's not about competition with Beck, even slightly, but I didn't expect anything like that many people would take time on their Saturday (and travel from so far!) to join. Just FYI, 6,345 people who couldn't get there from 87 countries joined together in 1,200 rallies to watch it/participate. Nobody can ever get a true total of how many participated in these things, but here's CBS' guess:
Quote:

An estimated 215,000 people attended a rally organized by Comedy Central talk show hosts Jon Stewart and Stephen Colbert Saturday in Washington, according to a crowd estimate commissioned by CBS News.

Canada's CTV, meanwhile, wrote that 250,000 people were estimated to have partaken in the Rally to Restore Sanity.

The company AirPhotosLive.com based the attendance at the "Rally to Restore Sanity and/or Fear" on aerial pictures it took over the rally, which took place on the Mall in Washington. It has a margin of error of plus or minus 10 percent.

The National Park Service does not estimate crowds. The New York Times' Brian Stelter wrote on Twitter during the event that the Park Service privately told Viacom there were "well over 200,000" people at the rally, according to an executive.

Comedy Central's permit for the event said it was expecting 60,000 people, though, as the Wall Street Journal notes, it ordered enough port-a-potties for 150,000.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20021284-503544.html

Obviously Comedy Central didn't expect that many, either. One of the neatest things, to me, was to see that THAT many people would turn out, and come from all over. The second neatest thing was to see such a diverse crowd...and you can bet that, in contrast to Beck's rally, there were right-wingers there too: SANE ones just as sick of the insanity in the country as any liberal.

I cried watching it...emotion no doubt from feeling so sick, but I was crying at the number of sane people there were who would come to such an event, self-pity that I couldn't go to the meet-up, and several times at things that were said. I thought it was fantastic, and to my amazement, so did Jim. Not into this kind of thing at ALL, he walked through the living room while I was watching and ended up sitting down, huge smile on his face, watching for over an hour.

I'm glad they did it. And the proceeds went to good causes, too...does anyone know what Beck did with the money raised by his rally?
Quote:

While it’s still not clear how seriously to take the now-hybridized Rally to Restore Sanity and/or Fear, the events have raised a serious amount of money already – and their organizers aren't keeping it.

Each of the two original events, Jon Stewart’s Rally to Restore Sanity and Stephen Colbert’s March to Keep Fear Alive, designated a single charity to be the recipient of their fund-raising efforts. Whether people are buying merchandise or just making a contribution, all the money is being funneled into nonprofit pockets.

Mr. Stewart designated the Trust for the National Mall as his charitable recipient, much to the trust's surprise. “In fact, when we first got the phone call, we thought it was a prank,” admits Caroline Cunningham, president of the trust. “It was an unexpected and wonderful surprise.”

Mr. Colbert – or as he prefers, The Rev. Sir Dr. Stephen T. Colbert, D.F.A. – selected DonorsChoose.org, a charitable clearinghouse where teachers can describe classroom needs and donors can pick which project(s) to fund.

On his Oct. 5 show, Colbert issued this invitation to his viewers: “Make your donation to show support of my march and to support America’s kids. And keep those donations coming, folks, because for every $100,000, I undo another button.”

Modest viewers might need to shield their eyes, because by 5:00 p.m. on Friday, more than 10,000 donors had contributed just over half a million dollars.

http://www.csmonitor.com/Business/new-economy/2010/1030/Rally-to-Resto
re-Sanity-and-or-Fear-raises-big-money.-Who-gets-it?sms_ss=pingfm&at_xt=4cccfbffca453096,0


"While the nonprofit organized its own, larger fund-raising events in the past, this is the most they’ve ever received from online contributions."

We don't have after-the-fact totals that I can find, and I'm dying to know. A good time appeared to be had by all; no invocations of hate or anger were heard by me, and a lot of money was raised for good causes. Pretty fantastic all around, as far as I'm concerned.





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Sunday, October 31, 2010 7:56 AM

KANEMAN


Nice people gathering...look like a bunch of crazies to me...




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Sunday, October 31, 2010 8:05 AM

WHOZIT


The news about this stunt Monday will be how many were there, FOX News may say around 100,000 while MSNBC will say 1,000,000. It doesn't matter because the big news will be the Republicans taking back the House and making gains in the Senate....and Keith Olbermann killing himself on the air....and he's stupid.

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Sunday, October 31, 2010 8:09 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by kaneman:
Nice people gathering...look like a bunch of crazies to me...








Obviously those are tea-bagger plants...


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... go fuck yourself, Mr. President.


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Sunday, October 31, 2010 9:05 AM

LILI

Doing it backwards. Walking up the downslide.


Or tea-bagger parodies, there to take part in The March to Keep Fear Alive.


Facts are stubborn things.

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Sunday, October 31, 2010 9:13 AM

PHOENIXROSE

You think you know--what's to come, what you are. You haven't even begun.


I got sick, too, Niki. There must be some new bug going around, I know a lot of people who've been sick this past week. I missed even watching it because it took half the day to get myself out of bed, I was incredibly sad. I hope there will be a video of it available somewhere soon.


Just because something can't be explained doesn't mean it becomes yours.

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Sunday, October 31, 2010 9:46 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


I'm pretty sure it's on the Daily Show's website, Rose; highlights, if not in its entirety. I'm sorry you missed that; hope you get a chance to see it (I taped it). Sorry you were sick, too; if you had whatever I had, it was damned NASTY!
Quote:

Infact it was a rally against Kwicko, Nikki2, Kaneman, Aurapt, etc...That nikki2 is cheering this on is hilarious, she is the exact type stewart is against.
Kane, you would be hysterical, if you had any value. I'm EXACTLY the kind of person he was hoping for. What I write here is saner, more civil and more reasonable than what you write, or especially Whozit. Even YOU guys would have been welcome, if you could lay off your hatred long enough to act sanely. That's what you miss and can't handle...this wasn't a rally for people with specific political ideologies, it was for ANYONE sick of the insanity in the country today to come together and be sane in response.

I think you summed it up in a nutshell, Cav:
Quote:

Not to force TPTB to do such-&-such (yeah, like that's gonna work!) but for the exact reason you describe. That, and to feel what it's like to be surrounded by several thousand folks who feel the same way I do. It's encouraging and inspiring to be a part of something like that.
Although many of the rallies/demonstrations I attended in the past were not to FORCE anyone to do anything, but to make our voices heard and express our opinions...hopefully in a civil manner. Some I went to were peaceful, others ended up with skirmishes; but the IDEA was peaceful gathering.

This was similar, in that it was partly to make the satement that some of us DO want to gather peacefully, civilly and sanely in response to all the INsane, hate-filled rallies we've seen the last couple of years. But it was also just for fun, and from what the cameras picked up, they had a BALL...good for them!


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Sunday, October 31, 2010 10:10 AM

DREAMTROVE


Quote:

Originally posted by HKCavalier:
Quote:

Originally posted by dreamtrove:
The new rally isn't a protest, it's a communal gathering to exchange ideas, meet people.

I like your take away, DT. It's funny though: your description of "the new rally" is exactly the reason I've ever gone to rallies or participated in protests. Not to force TPTB to do such-&-such (yeah, like that's gonna work!) but for the exact reason you describe. That, and to feel what it's like to be surrounded by several thousand folks who feel the same way I do. It's encouraging and inspiring to be a part of something like that. (You know, like becoming part of an online community that admires a great t.v. show or something.)

I think Jon Stewart did something new and very important on Saturday. I look forward to watching the repercussions. We live in weird times--hard times, not end times!

HKCavalier

Hey, hey, hey, don't be mean. We don't have to be mean, because, remember, no matter where you go, there you are.




HK,

I didn't go for a long time because I didn't want to be associated with whatever extremists would inevitably say. But the new rally has that advantage, because it's not a protest or a "March" it doesn't have organizers lining you up and telling you to chant a stupid slogan, it is, quite frankly, less nazi. I should go to more.


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Monday, November 1, 2010 8:08 AM

STORYMARK


Quote:

Originally posted by kaneman:
Nice people gathering...look like a bunch of crazies to me...






Apparently you are incapable of processing satire. Not a surprise, really.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Monday, November 1, 2010 8:09 AM

STORYMARK


Quote:

Originally posted by whozit:
The news about this stunt Monday will be how many were there, FOX News may say around 100,000 while MSNBC will say 1,000,000. It doesn't matter ....



Aw, look at you changing your tune after your dumb-ass predictions turned out to be utter horseshit.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Monday, November 1, 2010 8:50 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


What I found interesng is how little the media covered it, and how, in the brief remarks I heard on TV, they characterized it. I heard little on TV, and had to search the site of mainstream media to find much on it; it definitely wasn't one of their main topics, or even listed in some cases, so I had to search the site.

What was that about the "liberal media bias"? To me, this showed a RIGHT-WING bias more than anything else. Beck's rally got minute-by-minute coverage and was talked about for days; this hardly got any mention at all in the mainstream media.

For those who are going to snark back "because it wasn't important", bullshit. It was every bit as important as Beck's rally, and when over 200,000 people gather, that's important. And there were all kinds of stories about truly unimportant things, like "Braise the roof with Dutch Oven casserole" and "•Dark Knight Rises Will Not Be in 3-D", etc.

CNN:
Quote:

When Jon Stewart and Stephen Colbert announced their sanity rallies, politicians on both sides of the aisle took notice.

And with the event taking place so close to a crucial midterm election, many wondered what impact it might have on voters. Would a disillusioned citizen suddenly decide they needed to have their voice heard? Would the people in the middle find a way to silence the extreme views of the far right and far left?

With the rally over, and some time to reflect, we ask - was sanity restored or did a whole lot of people just show up to see their favorite comedians and work political satire into funny Halloween costumes that swamped the Metro trains of D.C.?

http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2010/11/01/did-stewart-restore-sanity-or-jus
t-have-a-comedic-success/?iref=allsearch
(the article goes on to add some interesting quotes about the rally)

Time:
Quote:

Comedians Jon Stewart and Stephen Colbert drew an estimated 215,000 to the National Mall in Washington DC Saturday for their Rally to Restore Sanity and/or Fear. Held in anticipation of the Congressional midterm elections on 2 November, the rally was an effort to call out the media, specifically cable TV, for being a "broken" information tool for Americans.

At the end of the Rally, Jon Stewart stood alone onstage — the Capitol dome behind him, tens of thousands of sign-toting fans carpeting the National Mall before him — and asked, "What exactly was this?"

It was a good question. Billed as a gathering for folks who feel drowned out by the din of partisan bickering — "people who think shouting is annoying, counterproductive and terrible for the throat" — it was also an awkward straddle: a rally that mocked rallies, a nominally apolitical event held four days before a major election, a variety-show medley on a hallowed stage.

(more at http://www.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,2028452,00.html#ixzz1
43ZGZZJY
)

ABC: I found NOTHING; the only thing on their website was a vote question: "Was Stewart's rally too political?"--over 40% said it was

CBS: (Where a couple of articles were on the first page)
Quote:

The enemy, Jon Stewart told the masses gathered on the Mall in Washington Saturday for his "Rally to Restore Sanity and/or Fear," is not people of faith, or activists, or those who want to have passionate argument, or those on the right, or those on the left.

The enemy, he argued, is not Americans at all. It is instead the false image of Americans being pushed by the cable news-driven media - what he called "the country's 24-hour politico pundit perpetual panic conflictinator - that he said is broken and making the country's problems worse.

"If we amplify everything, we hear nothing," Stewart said, accusing media outlets of fearmongering and spotlighting extremists instead of reasonable Americans. He later added that the press is America's immune system - and "if it overreacts to everything, we actually get sicker."

.....

His co-host Stephen Colbert, who portrays a fearmongering conservative talk show host seemingly modeled on Fox News' Bill O'Reilly, countered with "Medals for Fear," including one for the media outlets who banned their employees from attending the event unless they were covering it. (CBS News was among those criticized for doing so, though the network did not take that step.)

(more at http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20021281-503544.html?tag=pop (note they said they didn't BAN their employees from attending, but as far as I could see, they didn't cover it, either)

NBC: Search revealed NO articles on it.

So, was it because it's cable (but Fox is cable, and Beck's rally got lots of coverage), because they knocked the media, or because there really ISN'T a "liberal bias" in mainstream media?


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