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I don't think I'll get bored with the "Keith Olbermann getting shit canned story" for awhile, as a matter of fact I may send MSNBC a nice thank you card.

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Saturday, November 6, 2010 4:19 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!

" suspended w/ out pay, indefinitely."

that's just so precious.

"The modern definition of 'racist' is someone who is winning an argument with a liberal."

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Saturday, November 6, 2010 7:52 AM

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

Well, nice try DT. It's not going to stop any time soon, if at all. I try to put up news stories on other subjects, but it doesn't divert or interest the RWAs here who just want to spout their hatred of everything liberal and democratic.

They're on a roll right now; you couldn't stop them with a bulldozer. The best thing I've found is to pop into a few, say my piece, try and find other news to post, and leave to do more intersting things. It's a one-way street right now, as it often becomes.

Good luck, but I don't think you'll succeed.

Hippie Operative Nikovich Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
Contracted Agent of Veritas Oilspillus, code name “Nike”,
signing off

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Saturday, November 6, 2010 8:21 AM

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Well, nice try DT. It's not going to stop any time soon, if at all. I try to put up news stories on other subjects, but it doesn't divert or interest the RWAs here who just want to spout their hatred of everything liberal and democratic.

They're on a roll right now; you couldn't stop them with a bulldozer. The best thing I've found is to pop into a few, say my piece, try and find other news to post, and leave to do more intersting things. It's a one-way street right now, as it often becomes.

Good luck, but I don't think you'll succeed.

Hippie Operative Nikovich Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
Contracted Agent of Veritas Oilspillus, code name “Nike”,
signing off

Unless you got a story that sez "Summer Glau wins Oscar for best actress ever", the Keith Olbermann gets fired story is all I care about.

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Saturday, November 6, 2010 9:50 AM

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Rap
I confess, it's easy to divert a group of people, as humans tend to have the attention span of a overly caffeinated squirrel.

lol
That was awesome

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Whozit
I don't think I'll get bored...

lol, see Rap's quote above and relate.

Niki,

no matter how many times you use the term RWA, it's not going to stick as a word, or win you any points. In fact, it's divisive and bound to win you some enemies.

Cat pictures anyone?

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Saturday, November 6, 2010 10:09 AM

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Rap
I confess, it's easy to divert a group of people, as humans tend to have the attention span of a overly caffeinated squirrel.

lol
That was awesome

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Whozit
I don't think I'll get bored...

lol, see Rap's quote above and relate.

Niki,

no matter how many times you use the term RWA, it's not going to stick as a word, or win you any points. In fact, it's divisive and bound to win you some enemies.

Cat pictures anyone?

But the fact is Keith Olbermann may be thinking about killing about himself, let me have that......K?

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Saturday, November 6, 2010 10:25 AM

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Originally posted by dreamtrove:
no matter how many times you use the term RWA, it's not going to stick as a word, or win you any points. In fact, it's divisive and bound to win you some enemies.

Those people are going to hate her anyway, because they are RWAs and she's not, and she doesn't accept "because I said so!" as a valid argument for anything. This offends them more then three little letters.

And furthermore,

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Saturday, November 6, 2010 11:00 AM

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Originally posted by dreamtrove:
no matter how many times you use the term RWA, it's not going to stick as a word, or win you any points. In fact, it's divisive and bound to win you some enemies.

Those people are going to hate her anyway, because they are RWAs and she's not, and she doesn't accept "because I said so!" as a valid argument for anything. This offends them more then three little letters.

And furthermore,

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Kitty!

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Saturday, November 6, 2010 2:26 PM

Mal,

Yeah, it's a made up term from a self published book she posted which posits that Nazism and the like are rooted in the psyche of conservative thought, hence, conservatives are responsible for all such evils. I found the book both ignorant and offensive. You can just call me kike if you prefer, at least it would be closer to accurate.

My point was simple: the use of derogatory terms to apply to those who disagree with you, whether racial (n*gger) religious (raghead) or political (teabagger) is just plain offensive because it divides the world into two groups: humans like yourself, and worms who disagree with you.

I'll call niki out on this nonsense just as readily as I'll call pirate news or any one else. I gave rap some he'll a couple years back for terms like islamofascist, and I'm not about to stop.

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Saturday, November 6, 2010 2:38 PM

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Originally posted by dreamtrove:
Mal,

Yeah, it's a made up term from a self published book she posted which posits that Nazism and the like are rooted in the psyche of conservative thought, hence, conservatives are responsible for all such evils. I found the book both ignorant and offensive. You can just call me kike if you prefer, at least it would be closer to accurate.

My point was simple: the use of derogatory terms to apply to those who disagree with you, whether racial (n*gger) religious (raghead) or political (teabagger) is just plain offensive because it divides the world into two groups: humans like yourself, and worms who disagree with you.

I'll call niki out on this nonsense just as readily as I'll call pirate news or any one else. I gave rap some he'll a couple years back for terms like islamofascist, and I'm not about to stop.

That's all fine and good.....but what about the kitty?

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Saturday, November 6, 2010 2:54 PM

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Originally posted by dreamtrove:
Mal,

Yeah, it's a made up term from a self published book she posted which posits that Nazism and the like are rooted in the psyche of conservative thought, hence, conservatives are responsible for all such evils. I found the book both ignorant and offensive. You can just call me kike if you prefer, at least it would be closer to accurate.

My point was simple: the use of derogatory terms to apply to those who disagree with you, whether racial (n*gger) religious (raghead) or political (teabagger) is just plain offensive because it divides the world into two groups: humans like yourself, and worms who disagree with you.

I'll call niki out on this nonsense just as readily as I'll call pirate news or any one else. I gave rap some he'll a couple years back for terms like islamofascist, and I'm not about to stop.
That's all fine and good.....but what about the kitty?

LOL!

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Saturday, November 6, 2010 3:21 PM

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Originally posted by dreamtrove:
Mal,

Yeah, it's a made up term from a self published book she posted which posits that Nazism and the like are rooted in the psyche of conservative thought, hence, conservatives are responsible for all such evils. I found the book both ignorant and offensive. You can just call me kike if you prefer, at least it would be closer to accurate.

My point was simple: the use of derogatory terms to apply to those who disagree with you, whether racial (n*gger) religious (raghead) or political (teabagger) is just plain offensive because it divides the world into two groups: humans like yourself, and worms who disagree with you.

I'll call niki out on this nonsense just as readily as I'll call pirate news or any one else. I gave rap some he'll a couple years back for terms like islamofascist, and I'm not about to stop.

It's not just "a made up term," (At least, not any more than any other term in our language) and it's not just from "some book." It is a recognized term in political psychology, and an active topic of research:

http://www.allacademic.com/meta/p_mla_apa_research_citation/2/0/4/5/0/
p204505_index.html

Yeah, I read that book and didn't go for all of it, but there's definitely something behind the theory, and we have daily proof of it here on this site.

Perhaps you are offended because the "RW" part seems to be including you, making an accusation at you specifically. As Niki has explained several times that I've seen, "RW" does not mean the political right wing. And though you are conservative and I don't agree with a lot of your posts, I don't think you are the RWA that she--and the research--is referring to.

And please, it's not AT ALL like the n word or kike or any of the others you just brought up, because it does not generalize people based on their ethnicity or genetics or anything else. What it does is recognize a mentality that does indeed exist, as anyone who reads these threads has daily proof. Some people are incapable or having an intellectually honest debate, they hold beliefs that contradict, and they grasp these beliefs tight, despite having little factual material to support them.

The term is not blindly applied. It is not a newly invented separation into "us" versus "them". Folks who Niki refers as RWA have already set themselves apart by refusing rational dialogue.

Years of posts like: "Ha! I'm right because I know I'm right and whatever's really happening in the world and whatever I said last week doesn't matter because I'm right!" has earned these people the title of RWA. If they don't want to be called RWA, they should quit acting like it.

And if you don't act like that, then the term doesn't apply to you. (And it really doesn't.)

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Saturday, November 6, 2010 3:53 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!

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"The modern definition of 'racist' is someone who is winning an argument with a liberal."

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Saturday, November 6, 2010 4:06 PM

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Previous research has shown that people scoring high in right-wing authoritarianism (RWA) consider themselves to be very religious, and score high in Liht and Conway’s fundamentalism scale. Yet they reject the “peaceableness” teachings of Jesus in the Sermon on the Mount when these are phrased as Likert-type attitude items in everyday language. High RWA scorers support the Iraq War, an aggressive U.S. foreign policy, and post-9/11 infringements on civil liberties; they reject welfare, environmentalism, and gay marriage; those agreeing with the peaceableness teachings of Jesus have the opposite pattern of attitudes. The current study extends these findings by varying the language of the peaceableness scale (item paraphrase, verbatim Biblical verses, or verbatim verses with chapter-and-verse markers). Results suggest that previously-observed results reverse with the verbatim Biblical versions: people agreeing with the peaceableness items score high in RWA and do not reject the Iraq was. Thus religious people scoring high in RWA tend to accept the “authority” of verbatim peaceable teachings of Jesus even when these contradict their social and political beliefs.

Mal

I thought the theory was bunk on the level that theories about genetic criminality of the 1920s were bunk.

(For the record, a self-publish isn't really a book, it's a vanity rant.)

But it's not science at all it's voodoo science. Yes, you have to argue for it every time just as John has to argue that jews are inherently evil every time because that's how it is with nonsense. No one is buying.

Here's the reality behind this theory: It is statistically looking at psychological data and drawing a correlation and formulating a hypothesis of causality which is in reality false because we all know what is causing the correlation and and left wing ideological intellectual know it alls just don't want to accept reality, but rather would like to act superior to the rest of us, because their own platonic professor philosopher king fantasy has us bowing to them as our rightful rulers.

But skipping that, here's the cause:

People hold a set of belief because most people don't know why they hold certain beliefs, they're just things they picked up from their parents or friends and hopefully through life experience these various beliefs were proven right or wrong... and all of that said, they still have no idea how to defend their beliefs.

So, they pick up talking points handed out by politicians and media personalities that get them to support often moronic or misguided ideas by of the political party and religious belief of their choosing. These people are telling them that the Iraq war is about social justice and helping people and protecting the world from certain destruction. It may be utter garbage, but it was garbage fed to them.

As for christians, when I hear people on the left talk about the Christian right, I have to say that I get the serious impression that they have never met these people or spent time with them. They're pretty generous and not very authoritarian. It's just assholes like Dobson out there driving portions of them into idiocy.

Because PN is right about one thing: People are sheep. The left does this just as much as the right does. Think about it. It looks like it was real easy to convince people on the left that it was necessary to stop Taliban rule to protect women's rights. That's a moronic talking point just like all the others: The Afghan war is about blatant imperialism and nothing else, just like the Iraq war.

Think of issues that people vote on, that actual swing their vote. Do any elected politicians actually effect policy on abortion, or gay marriage, or any of the wedge issues? No, they don't.

But they might appoint justices who do right? Nonsense. The court has been dominated by republicans for 30 years and not once did it consider overturning Roe v Wade. So what did all those people vote for or against on both sides? They voted because they're sheep. The politicians told them that they were in sudden danger of losing this issue, and people on both sides voted for politicians who represented completely different issues and agendae and then the voters were stuck with them.

And once the voters *have* their elected politicians, they feel they have to defend them. So republicans get out and defend Bush and democrats defend Clinton because they feel vested in this idiot because they voted for them and they don't want to admit that they're wrong, and they are even more threatened by the idea that such an admission might entail admitting that there was a flaw in their overall ideology.

And more than anything, that flaw is that they really deep down don't know why they believe what they believe.

But it sure ain't for the reasons quoted in that absolute fantasy gobbletygook that was on the link you just sent which I just quoted above.

Simple statistical truth is that 90% of all political beliefs and party affiliations people acquire from their parents or guardians. I'm going to go out on a limb and say that most of the rest probably come from spouses or significant others because I've watched that sort of transformation happen a lot.

Talking points aren't beliefs, they're pieces of argument used to defend beliefs, handed to the public by the media and politicians.

BTW, the RWA theory does say that conservative ideologies led to the nazis by logical consequence which is nonsense. I could make a far better argument that this is the outcome of left wing ideology, and we've already beaten this dead horse enough. It's not just offensive, it's moronic. And it's not just left wing propaganda: like the e-book itself, it's the reasoning of a sub-literate wannabe elite.

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Saturday, November 6, 2010 4:09 PM

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"The modern definition of 'racist' is someone who is winning an argument with a liberal."

I admit that this weakens my case

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Saturday, November 6, 2010 4:16 PM

KANEMAN

'nuff posted

Kwicko, I formally condemn your mother for not aborting you. Yeah, I'm sure her brother was happy to have a son, but you are inexcusable....

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Sunday, November 7, 2010 4:23 AM

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I thought the theory was bunk on the level that theories about genetic criminality of the 1920s were bunk.

Smells a bit straw-man-y here...

There is no "genetic criminality" anywhere in this, except what you keep trying to shove in there. I don't care who your parents are or how they act. (This is a generic "your", not DT specifically) If you consistently post opinions from your favorite pundit/leader, without exploring other sources, and you resist rational conversation, if any disagreement with you makes you go ballistic and emotional and either attack or avoid, and if no amount of evidence can convince you that your pundit/leader could be wrong, you've got authoritarian tendencies. That's it. Skin color, religion, political party, hair style, and ancestry has nothing to do with it. Your parents have nothing to do with it. It is all in how you act.

Of course both liberals and conservatives have these tendencies. Published studies are observing the authoritarian mindset more in conservatives then liberals, but they are not at all saying it's about blaming one political party for everything, and you'll note that they are posting their results for peer review. If you want to challenge it, kick down with the data of your own observations.

But for Heaven's sake, quit trying to turn this into some racism thing. That's just silly.

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(For the record, a self-publish isn't really a book, it's a vanity rant.)

Again, it's not just one book. There are ongoing peer-reviewed studies. If their observations are biased, that will play out. However, given what I observe on this website, and in the greater political sphere, it does seem that, at the present time, the conservatives are making more use of the authoritarian mindset to get their way.

Since it is a trait that all humans tend to have in at least some degree (See what I said there - all humans!) appealing to authoritarianism is an effective political tool. All sides use it. Republicans and Tea Partiers are better at it right now. Maybe in a decade the Democrats will figure out their own way to use it.

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As for christians, when I hear people on the left talk about the Christian right, I have to say that I get the serious impression that they have never met these people or spent time with them. They're pretty generous and not very authoritarian. It's just assholes like Dobson out there driving portions of them into idiocy.

You are making generalizations here, as much as you accuse anyone else of doing. I've met and worked with Christian Right people, regular "little" people, not Dobson. Some were generous and nice, but not all. Some were downright closed-minded assholes. More than a few were incapable of speaking of their belief system as something that could possibly not be the Truth.

Like conversations of religion on this site - religious posters expect me to consider the implications if their God is indeed real, yet if I asked them to consider that God does not exist, they got offended and left the thread.

It happens.

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Think of issues that people vote on, that actual swing their vote. Do any elected politicians actually effect policy on abortion, or gay marriage, or any of the wedge issues? No, they don't.

But they might appoint justices who do right? Nonsense. The court has been dominated by republicans for 30 years and not once did it consider overturning Roe v Wade.

Roe v Wade is in the crosshairs for many politicians, and even without overturning it, they're managing to put very real limits on access. If one doctor has been murdered and all others have packed up and left because they're scared and the only doc who allows privacy is hundreds of miles away, and a woman can't get there unless she's forced to jump through the hoops of guilt and incrimination that anti-choice politicians have legislated, how much freedom does that woman really have?

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Auraptor is in the propaganda business (sorry man, but we both know that it's true) And to be fair, I can't out Rap without also outing Niki for the same thing (Sorry Niki) because we also know it's true.

All I can say is... interesting. Interesting about you, saying this. Not about them.

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BTW, the RWA theory does say that conservative ideologies led to the nazis by logical consequence which is nonsense.

Are you certain that's not just your interpretation of a study which is saying something different? Please: reference.

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I could make a far better argument that this is the outcome of left wing ideology,

Wow. Your feelings betray you - your bias as well and your misunderstanding.

No one is saying that the political right invented authoritarianism. (Can I call it Aism? Too fucking long to type) No one is saying that anyone invented it. It exists as a human tendency. Some systems such as religion, and yes, the modern neocon movement, make good use of this pre-existing condition. This inherent trait. This naturally evolved tendency. Whatever. It's there. No one but nature put it in us, though we have the power to control how deep we go into it.

Now, I am not trying to blame the entire political right for human failings, but you sure seem to be trying to blame the entire political left. Perhaps you can only see this "RWA" thing as an accusation of the political right because that is how you would use it.

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ETA: Mal, an extra offensive part of your post is the ending comment which, given what I had just said, would be equivalent to "If you don't want to be called a n*gger or a kike, then stop acting like one." It's really not called for... ever.

Oh good god. This is ridiculous. As much as you are trying to make it so, "RWA" had nothing to do with genetics, ancestry, or even your particular political leanings. The fact that you are trying really hard to turn it into that, does not make it so.

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Sunday, November 7, 2010 6:03 AM

No, Mal, it's unadulterated nonsense. That's all.

I said I call Pirate News, out on posting nonsense, I will call anyone out on it, I think this is the one consistent thing about me.

It's a propaganda trick, a well known one. Specifically, not only is the theory idiotic and its writers barely literate, but the term has no more connection to reality than "Islamofascist" which is also nonsense, and represents the exact same propaganda tactic.

Just as a side note, I have more respect for the propagandists themselves than their hapless dupes. Still doesn't mean I'll let anyone get away with it. I don't care which side they're on.

Read the link you posted. That's moronic stuff. I'm mean, it's objectively moronic. It shows no understanding of politics or psychology. I'm not saying this because these people are on the left, I really don't care. I'm saying it because it's idiocy. If you can't see that, I'm sorry, but you'd better believe that using it as a rhetorical backing is not going to help you.

You might have missed me repeatedly beating right wingers over the head for using the term islamofascist. I have to confess I also repeatedly whapped Pirate News for his use of the term jews, which isn't an insult, it's just the *way* he uses it, as if it were an insult. The latter, I must confess, had no effect.

So take your pick. Is it PN credibility you're aiming for?

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Sunday, November 7, 2010 9:25 AM

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

DT, you can chastise me as much as you want, but it’s a waste of time. UNTIL I see the same sort of thing as you suggest coming from those I call RWAs, your statement is laughable. Considering the kind of racist, sexist, homophobic, obscene things they say about and to us, my use of RWA is purely polite in comparison. If I extrapolated what you say, it would be an indication that you find the kinds of terms they use less offensive than “RWA”, since, although I have seen you take them to task on occasion, they CONSISTENTLY use obscene terms and I don’t consistently use RWA, yet I don’t see them chastising you regularly.

Mal is absolutely on point:

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Those people are going to hate her anyway, because they are RWAs and she's not, and she doesn't accept "because I said so!" as a valid argument for anything. This offends them more then three little letters.

”RWA” goes right over their heads, and I know it does, but it describes them in my and other eyes, and for me serves as a reminder of the (I think very accurate) description of that mentality. They prove it over an over again, and it only proves what was extrapolated in the book. Divisive?! Win me points?! Are you delusional? I could state “the sky is blue” and they would scream something to the effect of “Yeah, you libdicks think so, but it’s your cunt that’s blue and you should go suck it”...and you know it! I’m not responding to them; I respond to things they SAY which can validly be refuted, but it’s “talking” to the sensible people here, not them.

I would like to respectfully refer you to the other post where I clarified that RWA does NOT in any way say

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Nazism and the like are rooted in the psyche of conservative thought, hence, conservatives are responsible for all such evils.

You chose to read it that way, but if you bother to read the quote, you will see that Altemeyer points out that Communism is a reflection of RWA thinking, and it’s certainly neither “conservative” nor right-wing. That you choose to see the term as representing ONLY conservatives shows your bias, not your objective reading of the material; hence it is invalid, in my opinion.

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because it divides the world into two groups: humans like yourself, and worms who disagree with you

is again a joke, given how those in question DO divide us into two groups, with only themselves as “adult”, “intelligent” OR “human”. RWA does not; it reflects a way of thinking, which again, they exhibit all too well. “Worm” is the nicest thing which, you’ll note, they don’t call me...merely because they have a by-now-boring repertoire of FAR uglier terms they prefer.

Ooops, I see Mal4 did a fine job of explaining for me, and I agree with everything he said. ALSO the fact that I don’t consider you RWA at ALL, and if I ever referred to you that way, I sincerely apologize. Sometimes I get people mixed up; I disagree with you on almost everything, but as you (usually) do so civilly, I respond in kind. And I don’t think you represent RWA thinking in almost any way; I think you have biases, but that’s normal for everyone and disagreement and debate are intelligent, enjoyable pastimes. The other is not valid as anything approaching debate or disagreement, it is merely name calling. Some aren’t even worthy of the term RWA, their offerings are so pathetic: Whozit is the best example, who is incapable of posting much besides “Olbermann is stupid” and equally idiotic comments.

I find your comparison of my using the term RWA to refer to a mentality and PN’s OBSESSION with Jews offensive in the extreme. I don’t dwell on RWA, I mention it when I see evidence of it; to PN, Jews are the be-all, end-all of everything evil. I bean to read your rant in that post, but it is so fallible I gave up; it is truly a rant against a number of things, some of them reflecting your own political ideology. As to your categorizing it as left wing; the author freely admits in the beginning that he’s not a leftist ideology, that his wife IS, and she and her friends tell him to leave the room when they have discussions because he’s too conservative. That’s probably a joke, but the point is, I don’t believe he is an ideologue, you do. To me this means you haven’t given the theory any serious consideration, you have merely dismissed it as “leftist”. That makes any discussion of his theories impossible.

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left wing ideological intellectual know it alls just don't want to accept reality, but rather would like to act superior to the rest of us, because their own platonic professor philosopher king fantasy has us bowing to them as our rightful rulers

that pretty much says it all, as far as you’re concerned with regard to this issue.

As to Christian right, or evangelicals, I have met a number of them on line. In fact, TO A PERSON, they attacked me for being buddhist or were convinced I hadn’t “seen the light” and would do so if they just kept hammering at me. And believe me or not, they DID hammer, to the point of contacting me personally and forcing me in the end to block their e-mails. I have also met Christians who I like very much, many of them, but they didn’t consider themselves part of the “Christian Right”, nor were they Evangelicals.

Oh damn, I see Mal4 has made the argument far better than I could. And your response is so biased that it’s not worth responding to. We’ve discussed and debated the book, there is no reason to do anything further, given your extreme bias, mentality and closed mind on the subject. As you SOMETIMES call out the ugliness of those here, I will call out RWAs when I see them utilizing the exact mentality I believe fits that description.

Hippie Operative Nikovich Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
Contracted Agent of Veritas Oilspillus, code name “Nike”,
signing off

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Sunday, November 7, 2010 9:29 AM

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

As to kitties (which I think is a far better subject than trying to go back and forth on this one), I offer the following:

Hippie Operative Nikovich Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
Contracted Agent of Veritas Oilspillus, code name “Nike”,
signing off

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Sunday, November 7, 2010 11:36 AM

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

DT, I see you're still around (or were, last post I read). I'd be interested to see if you even read our remarks here and what your response is, if it's anything other than what you've been writing. Just interested.

Hippie Operative Nikovich Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
Contracted Agent of Veritas Oilspillus, code name “Nike”,
signing off

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Sunday, November 7, 2010 11:37 AM

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

Duplicate post...damned computer...

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Sunday, November 7, 2010 11:50 AM

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As to kitties (which I think is a far better subject than trying to go back and forth on this one), I offer the following:

Hippie Operative Nikovich Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
Contracted Agent of Veritas Oilspillus, code name “Nike”,
signing off

Drunk Kitty!

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Sunday, November 7, 2010 12:35 PM

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

Drunk kitty for the win!

I like these:

Tho', if you liked drunk kitty:

Hippie Operative Nikovich Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
Contracted Agent of Veritas Oilspillus, code name “Nike”,
signing off

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Sunday, November 7, 2010 1:15 PM

FREMDFIRMA

Rawr, Cat Gladiators!

At least they made it more convincing them Squirmy/Ghoster do, although it is rather hilarious when Squirmy gets annoyed with it and does decide to whoop ass, since she's like less than half Ghosters size and only has three legs... which matters nothing once you've seen her in action.

Also worth a mention is Kallistas trademark "Croquet Ball" attack, where she uses one paw to pin the head of the opposing cat to the floor and the other upside it with a WHOCK WHOCK WHOCK which sounds like someone knockin on a melon and leaves the poor victim invariably staggering around in a daze, easy prey for the follow up submission pin - this is all the more impressive given that Kallista is declawed, older than most peoples kids and lazy as hell besides....

But NONE of the other cats will mess with her lightly, and apparently for damn good reason.

-Frem

I do not serve the Blind God.

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Sunday, November 7, 2010 1:22 PM

Kittys are funny when they're drunk, just like Charlie Sheen

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Sunday, November 7, 2010 2:10 PM

MAGONSDAUGHTER

What is an RWA? Not a term I'm familiar with. I could go to wiki i guess.

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Sunday, November 7, 2010 2:12 PM

MAGONSDAUGHTER

RWA may stand for:

* Race Walking Association, a professional sports body in the UK
* Right-wing authoritarianism, a psychological personality variable
* Risk-weighted asset, a bank risk management variable usually used in the context of Basel II
* Romance Writers of America, a genre specific writers association
* Rot Weiss Ahlen, a German football club
* Rotating wave approximation, a mathematical simplification used in atom optics and magnetic resonance
* Routing and wavelength assignment (RWA), a critically important problem for increasing the efficiency of wavelength-routed all-optical networks
* Royal West Academy, a secondary school in Canada
* Royal West of England Academy, an art gallery and an academy in Clifton, Bristol in the United Kingdom
* Rwanda, an east-central African country

I gather we're not talking Romance Writers of America here.

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Sunday, November 7, 2010 2:57 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)

Right Wing Authoritarian.

The modern definition of "socialist" is anyone who's winning an argument against a tea-bagger.

AURaptor's Greatest Hits:

Friday, September 24, 2010
I hate Obama's America. You're damn right about that.

Friday, May 28, 2010 - 18:26 To President Obama:
Mr. President, you're a god damn, mother fucking liar.
Fuck you, you cock sucking community activist piece of shit.
... go fuck yourself, Mr. President.

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Sunday, November 7, 2010 3:05 PM

MAGONSDAUGHTER

Yeah, I got that

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Sunday, November 7, 2010 4:47 PM

Rawr Whirling Authoritarian!

ETA: Anyone notice that that's a fish frisky tuna that mouse has? No wonder the cat is angry ;)

Oh, and Frem: That was awesome.

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Sunday, November 7, 2010 5:03 PM

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Tuesday, November 9, 2010 1:08 PM

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

DT, I just found this. Thank you SO much; I laughed myself silly, and I know Jim will too. A good laugh is worth its weight in gold, and this is downright weighted DOWN with them!

Hippie Operative Nikovich Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
Contracted Agent of Veritas Oilspillus, code name “Nike”,
signing off

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Tuesday, November 9, 2010 1:30 PM

Keith Olbermann returns tonight, he'll most likly show up naked and say he's in search of a magic chesse cause he's nutz.......and he's stupid.

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Tuesday, November 9, 2010 3:20 PM

I'm glad Olberman is returning. I think this nonsense was about the politicization of news personnel, which is a precedent which can only end badly for everyone.

I disagree with Keith Olberman. I want people I disagree with on the air. I want dissenting opinions. I think it's healthy.

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Wednesday, November 10, 2010 7:06 AM

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

I want dissenting opinions, too...I just wish there could be more REASONED ones...

Hey, I'm allowed to dream...

Hippie Operative Nikovich Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
Contracted Agent of Veritas Oilspillus, code name “Nike”,
signing off

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Wednesday, November 10, 2010 11:15 AM

The people you get are the people you have not the people you might want ;) That was Robespierre's mistake: You can't change people.

Your have to reason your peace with Wulfie, Kaneman, Pirate News and Auraptor. Hey, it doesn't get any easier in real diplomacy. Not everyone is Kim Jong Il, but Chavez? Putin? Even Ahmadinejad is not a picnic at the table, though he could be a table at the picnic. Okay, that was an image I didn't need.

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Wednesday, November 10, 2010 11:32 AM

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

Are you kidding DT? You think ANY of those would make peace with me??? Wulf might not call me a cunt, but the others would, and worse, no matter WHAT I write. If you haven't figured that out by now, you haven't been paying attention!

Would be nice, but I'm not holding my breath. Aside from the fact that, even if they weren't so vicious, I'd STILL remark when they made obvious AF statements; like I said, I don't consider it necessarily derrogatory, only calling out a specific mentality when I see it. I oculd be more specific, like "I believe facts have proven otherwise" or "that's hypocritical, in my opinion", but it would make no difference whatsoever in how they read it.

Hippie Operative Nikovich Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
Contracted Agent of Veritas Oilspillus, code name “Nike”,
signing off

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Wednesday, November 10, 2010 2:43 PM