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Re: The Constitution

POSTED BY: NIKI2
UPDATED: Monday, November 8, 2010 14:40
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Monday, November 8, 2010 9:25 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


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If you've been paying attention since 1788 or so, it probably doesn't come as a surprise that the U.S. is a constitutional democracy. That is widely agreed to be a very good thing. Great Britain is a democracy too, but it has an unwritten constitution, which has always seemed a little lazy. It's hard to determine the intent of the framers if the framers themselves couldn't be bothered to take notes.

The U.S., however has a written constitution, and even from the start, it was a dandy — fancy calligraphy, elegant prose and an extraordinary facility for packing a lot of substance into a teeny, tiny clause. Those First Amendment freedoms we start learning about in grammar school — speech, press, religion, assembly? Forty-five words was all it took to guarantee them. It's no wonder so many young democracies have modeled their constitutions after ours, and no wonder we've spent the past two-plus centuries bragging that we figured a lot of this stuff out first.


That's what made it such a surprise in the mercifully just-ended midterm elections when so many candidates from the left and the right (but really, mostly the right) seemed to have discovered that, hey! We have a constitution, and hey, I'm in favor of it!

Minnesota Representative Michelle Bachmann wants weekly Constitution classes to be conducted for members of Congress. Texas Governor Rick Perry warns that even fellow Republicans had "better get back to the principles of the Constitution." The GOP's Pledge to America — its campaign sequel to 1994's Contract With America — includes a promise that all laws passed by Congress will include a clause specifying what part of the Constitution authorizes them. (Hint: How about Article 1, Section 8, which begins with the words "The Congress shall have power to..." and then pretty much gives you the whole list.)

But never mind. In many ways, the discovery of the Constitution in the 2010 election was essentially the same as the discovery of the Pledge of Allegiance in the 1988 election or loyalty oaths during the Red Scare of the 1950s. They're all ways of separating the virtuous from the dangerous, the true Americans from the lesser Americans, my good ideas from your suspect ones. But the Constitutional frenzy has deeper roots too — ones that stretch far back into humanity's high regard for anything we put on paper.

Groups of people come together around shared ideas, but ideas can be vague and inconveniently imprecise. Better to write everything down so we're all, literally, on the same page. It's why clubs have charters, parties have platforms and companies have mission statements. It's also why religions have sacred texts. The Bible, the Koran, the Torah don't just tell the story of their faiths, but also serve as spiritual rulebooks. These are the central pillars of our beliefs; if you want to join us, you'll adopt them too. A constitution's purposes are essentially the same.

Of course, just writing stuff down doesn't mean we'll always agree on what the words mean, and that's where mischief can be made. If you're of a mind to be a leader of your people — particularly if you have to fight for the position — what better argument can you make than that the sacred text would be safer in your hands than in anyone else's, because you understand it better than anyone else?


Religious groups find this easier to claim than political parties do because questions of faith touch people on a far deeper level than questions of public policy. In both cases though, inflexible readings of what might otherwise be flexible texts are a powerful way of rousing and rallying your base.

"Fundamentalism in the U.S. arose in the early 1900s and it was very much a border-drawing device," says Harvey Cox, research professor of divinity at Harvard University. "The idea was that these are the fundamentals, these are the core beliefs you must hold or you are not a Christian. Very key to the fundamentals was the inerrancy of Scripture. You were in or you were out on that one."

At around the same time Protestants were teaching inerrancy, Cox says, Catholics were introducing the idea of Papal infallibility. In both cases, it was certainty the believers were after, and in both cases, that cleaving to something doctrinally immutable came during a period of global and religious change.

Things get a lot messier when political and religious movements mix, with literal readings of sacred texts often serving as handy — sometimes bloody — cudgels with which to attack your opponents. Clearly, this is too often true among Islamist fundamentalists, who will brook no other reading of the Koran than their own — and impose deadly penalties on those who disagree.

(much more at http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,2029888,00.html#ixzz14i
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It's an interesting concept, and one I find worthy of tossing back and forth. Dunno if anyone else does, just thougth I'd put it up and see.


Hippie Operative Nikovich Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
Contracted Agent of Veritas Oilspillus, code name “Nike”,
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Monday, November 8, 2010 12:03 PM

DREAMTROVE


1789, and it's a Constitutional Republic. The country was not set up as a democracy. Technically it was set up as a confederacy in 1781, but that's nitpicky.

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Monday, November 8, 2010 2:40 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


I heard one of the TeaBaglican congressmen today saying that the House is going to introduce a bill to get rid of birthright citizenship, and that he hopes with Senate will pass it as well, because that would end the practice.

That congressman - Mike Pence is his name - is in dire need of classes on the Constitution. The Constitution and its concomitant Amendments cannot be simply tossed aside at a whim by Congress, not even by one house - or even BOTH houses - passing a bill. And even if it were signed into law by the President (not a chance), it wouldn't stand up to judicial review, because it directly contravenes the Fourteenth Amendment.

So PLEASE, Michele Bachmann, start up those Constitution Classes. Lord knows you people seem to need them. Hey, I know a pretty good constitutional law professor who could help you out, but he's pretty busy at the moment. ;)


Meanwhile, it's going to be left to the Democrats to explain to people WHY Mike Pence is a fucking moron who's bent on wasting their time and OUR MONEY debating something that Congress has no hope of changing.


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