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Pelosi wins. Really libs.... REALLY?

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Wednesday, November 17, 2010 10:09 AM

WULFENSTAR

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg


I mean, can you NOT paint a target on your yourself for once?

I mean, PELOSI?!!!

Thats like if the Repubs had Palin run for Prez.

Please, STOP. Just stop.

http://www.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/11/17/house.leadership/index.html?hpt
=T1&iref=BN1


"Hope is a good thing, maybe the best of things, and no good thing ever dies"

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Wednesday, November 17, 2010 10:50 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...




Considering John of Orange and Chipmunk McConnel, you got something valid to say?


Sorry. I can't stop. Laughing.

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Wednesday, November 17, 2010 11:00 AM

BLUEHANDEDMENACE


Its not like it really matters much...whoever is in charge of the dems will be made into a bogeyman just like pelosi has been.

its not as if anyone really cares about what a pol stands for, just what they can be portrayed as standing for....

Oh and ya Niki is right, Boehner is about as low as it gets, his incompetence is superceded only by his corruption...

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Wednesday, November 17, 2010 11:03 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Yup, Blue, right on target (about being the target, that is)
Quote:

its not as if anyone really cares about what a pol stands for, just what they can be portrayed as standing for....



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Wednesday, November 17, 2010 11:14 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


How many out goaing Dems used their ' free speech ' time to point the finger of blame at Pelosi as the reason they lost , and wouldn't be returning to D.C. next year ?

It was just about all of them, as I understand it.

Good job, Dems. Aim low. You're gunning for single digit approval w/ Pelosi still in power.




" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Wednesday, November 17, 2010 11:34 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Quote:

How many out goaing Dems used their ' free speech ' time to point the finger of blame at Pelosi as the reason they lost , and wouldn't be returning to D.C. next year ?
What is "out goaing"?

And I hadn't heard that...I'm sure there are some, but mostly I heard that Dems recognize that

a) The "in" party always loses seats in a midterm;
b) People are angry and scared about the economy;
c) The Repubs and Tea Partiers have done a bang-up job of demonizing Dems and Obama;
d) A lot of the voting was anti-Obama, "sending a message", which they may well regret later; and
e) The demns haven't done a decent job of publicizing the good things they've done.

I googled "Dems blame pelosi" and got more than a page without finding anything like that. Hmmm...where do you get your news? Fox, perhaps?

I did find this:
Quote:

Talk to lawmakers privately, and many will freely acknowledge that from a public relations perspective it makes little sense for Nancy Pelosi — who made history as speaker and fought tenaciously to be minority leader — to remain the face of Democrats.

But many of those same lawmakers cast their vote for Pelosi in Monday's closed door Democratic caucus meeting — and the embattled San Franciscan triumphed by a 150-43 margin.

It's a vivid illustration of how congressional leadership elections are decided by factors often barely visible to the naked eye. It does not matter much what the pundits think, where the polls stand, or who can be easily demonized by the opposition.

Here are five reasons why what may look like a self-defeating move by Democrats actually made perfect sense to lawmakers gathered in the spacious caucus room of the Cannon House Office Building Monday.

Standing up to Obama

One of the subtexts of this leadership drama is that the hand Democrats are giving Pelosi is also an elbow aimed at President Barack Obama and his once-cocky, now humbled West Wing team.

Pelosi's decision to defy tradition — it is more common for party leaders to step down after a loss of power — in part reflects this mindset: There is no damn way she's going to take the fall for the election-day debacle.

Pelosi and her allies devoutly believe the greater fault lies with the White House. For the better part of a year, they have been quietly laying the groundwork for the argument that the Obama forced members to take tough votes, then failed to build and maintain adequate public support for the Democratic agenda.

Four other points at http://news.yahoo.com/s/politico/20101117/pl_politico/45265

I'm not surprised you don't get it; politics is complicated and just swallowing what we're told by politicians and pundits often give us a view to the more complex issues.


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Wednesday, November 17, 2010 11:40 AM

WULFENSTAR

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg


No, really Niki...

Jump on the bandwagon for Pelosi. Shes a dried up old bird that everyone hates and is for pushing a socialist agenda.

Im not trying to say that she is like you at all.

Just saying, if you want to GIVE the upcoming election to the Republicans... there are easier ways.

"Hope is a good thing, maybe the best of things, and no good thing ever dies"

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Wednesday, November 17, 2010 11:52 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


On the other hand, I HAVE heard quite a bit about this:
Quote:

Based on the results of the latest National Journal Political Insiders Poll, if the Republicans fail to score major gains in the Senate and House on Nov. 2 they already have their scapegoat -- Republican National Committee chairman Michael Steele. This week, the Political Insiders were asked to judge which of their respective national party committees "is doing a better job in the run-up to the mid-term elections." When comparing the RNC to the Democratic National Committee, the 93 GOP Insiders who responded to the poll this week were withering in their assessment and 73% said that the DNC was out-performing the RNC. Only 15% said that the RNC was besting the DNC and 12% said neither committee had stood out.

In their comments, the GOP Insiders blamed the RNC's woes on chairman Steele who has wandered off message with verbal miscues and alienated GOP major donors. "Steele has been a huge disappointment, especially on the fundraising front," said one GOP Insider. Others used words like "embarrassment," "horrible" and "idiot" to describe Steele. "[DNC chairman] Tim Kaine is always on message, Michael Steele rotates which foot is in mouth," said another GOP Insider.

Indeed, Steele has been gaffe prone from practically the beginning of his rocky tenure as party chairman when he dismissed conservative hero and radio broadcaster Rush Limbaugh as an "entertainer." At the start of '10 when Republicans were beginning to see a path toward gaining control of the House he bluntly said, "not this year," and compounded that sin by wondering aloud whether the party was "ready" for that responsibility, adding, "I don't know." And in July Steele told a GOP fundraiser in Connecticut that Afghanistan was a war of "Obama's choosing." That brought a rebuke from the party's senior statesman on national security matters, Arizona Sen. John McCain (R). The party's '08 standard bearer called Steele's comments "wildly inaccurate" and said there was "no excuse" for them.

More at http://hotlineoncall.nationaljournal.com/archives/2010/10/gop_insiders
_bl.php


They’re also hurting financially:
Quote:

Republican National Committee political director Gentry Collins resigned today with a four-page letter that harshly criticized the performance of the organization under chairman Michael Steele.

In the letter, obtained by Politico, Collins complains of poor fundraising by the RNC as compared to past years. He writes that while the RNC raised $284 million in the 2002 cycle and $243 million in the 2006 cycle, it has brought in just $170 million thus far in the 2010 cycle.

Much of that money, he writes, did not come from large donors, reflecting poor outreach efforts. The small donations, he suggests, "are reflective of the anti-Obama/Pelosi/Reid wave that drove energy and intensity to historic highs this cycle" - meaning they cannot generally be credited to Steele's group. In addition, he writes, it costs more to generate small donations, pushing the RNC's fundraising costs in the 2010 cycle to as much as 70 cents on the dollar.

Collins, who is described as a "respected" veteran operative, also reveals that the RNC is in debt.

"In the previous two non-presidential cycles, the RNC carried over $4.8 million and $3.1 million respectively in cash reserve balances into the presidential cycles," he writes. "In stark contrast, we enter the 2012 presidential cycle with 100% of the RNC's $15 million in lines of credit tapped out, and unpaid bills likely to add millions to that debt."

More at http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20023014-503544.html

I’d respectfully suggest you check your facts before some of the statements you make. You kinda leave yourself open, the way you do it now.


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Wednesday, November 17, 2010 11:55 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


"out going "

Those who lost their seats ? Got beat in the election ? Were voted out of office ?

Dong Ma ?


This is priceless.


Pelosi: "I'm the person that can attract the resources, both intellectual and otherwise to take us to victory"


http://twitter.com/jamiedupree

Quote:

There is always some finger-pointing after wave elections, and this year was no exception. Pelosi recently told NPR that House Democrats did not lose the election because of her, but Davis doesn’t appear to share that view.

“I think national politics had a lot to do with this. I think the Obama administration and I think the Speaker — that’s who they used to say, ‘We have to get rid of these folks,’ “ Davis said.



http://thehill.com/homenews/house/129591-reality-is-starting-to-sink-i
n-for-outgoing-majority
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" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Wednesday, November 17, 2010 11:58 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


No, Wulf, condescending put-down won't change reality. You can make them all day and all night, but they still have nothing to do with facts. I'm not on anyone's "bandwagon", and if you want to hand US the election, please do nominate Palin.

I don't think you even bother to ever read any quotes put up or go to links. It appears to me that you get a position, then defend it to the death with silly remarks about others' immaturity and blanket statements you heard somewhere else.

WHOEVER is Speaker will attract the arrows of the other side, you obviously don't get that. Can you list one speaker who hasn't been the hated representative of the other side, please? Otherwise, your argument has no merit.

Not "everyone" hates her, either...your blanket assumptions do your arguments no good whatsoever. I know you hold them tightly to your "bosom", but they're not reality, they really aren't, not that you'll ever hear that.


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Wednesday, November 17, 2010 12:02 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Ah. I didn't understand a typo. That's priceless?
Quote:

I think national politics had a lot to do with this. I think the Obama administration and I think the Speaker — that’s who they used to say, ‘We have to get rid of these folks
Note he said "had a lot to do with this" and "used to say" (which indicates exactly the fact that speakers are targeted, whoever they are). Even he didn't specifically say Pelosi lost the election for them.

One remark from one person...you might note I also said I was sure there were SOME. That doesn't make Wulf's statement any more valid.


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Wednesday, November 17, 2010 12:20 PM

WULFENSTAR

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg


No Niki..

Much unlike the past... this dried up hag has tried to shift us to socialism..

So yea, she deserves all she gets. Arrows, bullets... whatever.

You want to follow the Hitler-light group... thats on you.



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Wednesday, November 17, 2010 12:25 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


No, I said THIS is priceless....

Pelosi: "I'm the person that can attract the resources, both intellectual and otherwise to take us to victory".

Nancy, like Barry, just doesn't get it.

Quote:


Even he didn't specifically say Pelosi lost the election for them.



Yeah, Niki, he did. Read it again. He said the GOP used Obama and " the Speaker " ( that means Nancy ) specifically for their message " we have to get ride of these folks " .

There was more than what I showed, you, but I wanted to prove my point. Fact is, the loser Dems got 5 minutes to say their farewells, and many used their allotted time to point the finger of blame at Nancy.

Call me a liar and ignore the facts, if you don't want to believe me. I really don't care.

*ps* - There's also this..

Quote:

Just-defeated Rep. Allen Boyd (D-Fla.) rose in Tuesday’s caucus meeting to declare that Pelosi is “the face of our defeat.” He told his soon-to-be-former colleagues that “we need new leadership.” His sentiments, a stinging blow for Pelosi because her camp sought his vocal support after he lost, were seconded by other lawmakers who were defeated and by some who won reelection, according to attendees.

Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1110/45215.html#ixzz15a7mBPgQ





" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Wednesday, November 17, 2010 12:30 PM

KANEMAN


They had to vote in Pelosi...Gotta see what's inside her....

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Wednesday, November 17, 2010 1:26 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Raptor: Ah, I see what you meant about "priceless".

And I take your point about dems blaming Pelosi, since you gave me some specifics. As I said, I'm sure SOME do. It's natural.


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Wednesday, November 17, 2010 1:48 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Meanwhile, Boehner, going into his THIRD decade in Congress, says NOW it's time to roll up his sleeves and get to work.


So how big IS that drink, if he has to roll up his sleeves to hoist it to his lips? ;)

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