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Christians protest church 'cuz it looks like a mosque

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Thursday, November 18, 2010 12:36 PM

NIKI2

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In an era saturated with absurd moments of anti-Muslim fear-mongering, mosques have become a touchstone for Islamophobia. Even unbuilt mosques have set off a wave of anti-Muslim sentiment in Tennessee, Texas, California, and most notably, New York. Not to be outdone, the people of Pheonix, AZ were quick to call foul over the appearance of a dome-like structure along an interstate. But in the clamor over the impending Muslim takeover, these Arizonans missed one small detail — the building is not a Mosque, it's a church:



A new dome-like structure near 19th Avenue along Interstate 10 in Phoenix is the Light of the World church, a nondenominational Christian church hoping to modernize traditional worship services, a church spokesman said

Since the distinctive dome shape went up, church leaders said they have received phone calls from concerned neighbors who’ve mistaken the building for an Islamic mosque.

On Wednesday, church officials hung a sign reminding people they’re Christian congregation. “We’re trying to let people know that we’re Christian and our churches are modern,” said Uzieo Martinez.

“It is unfortunate that people are so intolerant to differences that they aren’t willing to see that the place of worship is not a mosque,” said Tayyibah Amatullah of the Council on American-Islamic Relations’ Arizona chapter. But with so many high-profile figures selling unfounded, anti-Muslim fear to the public, is it any wonder that all many Americans can see in Islam is a phantom menace?"

http://thinkprogress.org/2010/11/15/mosque-church-whoopsidoodles/

Strange little species...so quick to fear and hate...

Along those lines:
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Conservatives have for months led a hateful campaign against the expansion of a local Islamic center and mosque in Murfreesboro, Tennessee. This campaign has been endorsed by high-ranking Republicans such as the state’s Lt. Governor, Ron Ramsey, who last month, wondered aloud whether Islam was a religion or a “cult.” The center was even the target of an arson attack in August.

Mosque opponents have turned to the legal system to bring a lawsuit against its founders, seeking an injuction to stop the construction. Now, Joe Brandon Jr., the lawyer for the opponents, argued in court during a recent appearance that stopping the expansion of the mosque would not violate of the Constitution’s guarantee of freedom of religion because Islam isn’t a religious faith but rather a seditious movement seeking to impose “Sharia law” on the United States"
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Mosque opponents say that Islam is not a real religion. They argued in a Rutherford County courthouse last week that the world’s second-largest faith, with its 1.6 billion followers, is actually a political movement.

Opponents say local Muslims want to replace the Constitution with an Islamic legal code called Shariah law. Joe Brandon Jr., a Smyrna,, Tenn., lawyer representing a group of mosque opponents, argued that the proposed mosque is not a house of worship. He said the Rutherford County Planning Commission erred when it approved the mosque. Brandon wants an injunction stopping the mosque. “Shariah law is pure sedition,” said Brandon in his opening statement Monday.

In stoking fears of “Sharia law,” Brandon Jr. is taking his lead from former House speaker Newt Gingrich, who just last month called for a federal ban on the non-existent threat of Sharia being imposed on the United States.

http://thinkprogress.org/2010/10/04/opponents-mosque-islam-seditious/

and
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The Texas office of the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR-TX) reported today that local police and the FBI are investigating possibly bias-motivated incidents of arson, hate graffiti and racial slurs targeting a mosque in that state.

[NOTE: CAIR is also looking into a report of recent vandalism at a mosque under construction in Round Rock, Texas. A motive has not yet been established in that case.]

CAIR-TX said a Sunday fire at the playground of Dar El-Eman Islamic Center in Arlington, Texas, followed an incident two days earlier in which obscene anti-Muslim graffiti was discovered in the mosque's parking lot. A third incident involved racial slurs being shouted at worshippers on Sunday.

A spokesperson for Arlington police told CAIR that arson investigators and the FBI are involved in the probe. Police patrols have been stepped up in the area surrounding the mosque.

CAIR-TX took part in a Tuesday meeting at the mosque in which the FBI and other fire and law enforcement officials discussed the investigation.

The Texas Penal Code allows for enhanced penalties if an offense is "committed because of bias or prejudice."

http://www.commondreams.org/newswire/2010/07/28-6

and
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FBI officials in Jacksonville, Fla., say they have found the remnants of a pipe bomb used in a possible hate crime at a mosque during evening prayers.

Along with local police, the FBI launched an investigation after an explosion shook the Islamic Center of Northeast Florida at 9:35 p.m. Monday, when approximately 60 people were inside praying. No one was injured.

"They heard a loud explosion and went out an emergency exit in the back," Muhammad Mansoori, a Jacksonville resident who worships at the mosque, told AOL News. "There was a fire, and a wall where the bomb was left was blackened. Otherwise, the building is sturdy, no real damage."

http://www.aolnews.com/crime/article/fbi-finds-pipe-bomb-used-in-blast
-at-jacksonville-fla-mosque/19475001


and these two particularly upset me:
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A loosely organized protest planned this week over a proposed new mosque in Temecula whose organizers urged demonstrators to bring their dogs was sharply denounced by a Southern California Islamic organization Tuesday.

Organizers of the rally, to be held outside the Islamic Center of Temecula Valley during prayers Friday, appear to be associated with a southwest Riverside County political group affiliated with the "tea party" movement. In anonymous e-mails and website postings, organizers encouraged protesters to bring their dogs — considered an insult to Muslims.

"Opposing the rights of certain Americans to freely practice religion is not only shameful and immoral, but unconstitutional," said Hussam Ayloush, executive director of the Greater Los Angeles Area chapter of the Council on American-Islamic Relations. "I am confident that our fellow Americans from all faith backgrounds will join us in rejecting such KKK tactics of intolerance, bigotry and intimidation.''

The call for demonstrators to bring dogs was a purposeful effort to "cause offense," Ayloush said, because many Muslims believe that the saliva of dogs is impure and invalidates Islamic rituals performed before prayer.

The protest comes as the Islamic Center of Temecula Valley moves ahead with plans to build a 24,943-square-foot mosque on a vacant, four-acre plot in the southeast portion of Temecula. The proposal has stirred some hostility in the mostly conservative community in Riverside County, with opponents saying they fear the mosque will bring unwanted traffic and noise, as well as attract Islamic extremists.

The announcement on the website, which has since disappeared, stated that Islam is a "worldwide political movement meant" to dominate the world. It called on protesters to "bring your Bibles, flags, signs, dogs and singing voice on Friday."

The group states that one of its core missions is to "return the local Tea Party Movement to the people."

http://articles.latimes.com/2010/jul/28/local/la-me-mosque-protest-201
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An ad campaign directed at Muslims who may be questioning their religion is rolling through the streets of some major U.S. cities.

"Fatwa on your head?" the ads ask. "Is your family or community threatening you? Leaving Islam? Got questions? Get answers!" A group called "Stop Islamization of America" is financing the ads on public transportation in San Francisco, New York and Miami, The Christian Science Monitor reported Wednesday.

The ads counter ones run by a Muslim group that say, "The way of life of Adam, Noah, Abraham, Moses, Jesus and Muhammad. Islam. Got questions? Get answers."

The group's executive director, conservative blogger Pamela Geller, told the online newspaper in an e-mail response to questions that the ads are "a defense of religious freedom." Geller, who has gone to court or threatened litigation to get the ads on buses in some cities, said their primary intention is "to help ex-Muslims who are in trouble" and "raise awareness of the threat that apostates live under even in the West."

The Monitor said some religious rights groups maintain the ads run by Geller's group are meant to incite fear about the followers of Islam.

"In this post-9/11 world … it's almost like there's some political and spiritual currency to be gained by being anti-Islamic," Steve Spreitzer, programs director for Michigan Roundtable for Diversity and Inclusion, an interfaith group in Detroit, told the newspaper.

Geller's ads tout the Web site RefugeFromIslam.com, which contends Muslim Americans who "long to be free" of their religion are in danger of being killed, an allegation Muslim rights groups and religious leaders deny.

In the San Francisco area, an ecumenical array of more than 125 religious leaders signed a statement this month denouncing the ads as "Islamophobic." The ads, they said, "promote fear of Muslim Americans."

http://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2010/07/28/Anti-Islam-ads-posted-on-bus
es/UPI-90031280346062
/

Some of the aforementioned ads are on SamTrans buses here in the Bay Area. I haven't seen them...good thing, 'cuz I'd probably do something that would get me arrested if I did...

Hmmmm..."Conservatives", "Tea Party", I don't see any of this stuff being done by the left; must be the left-wing media not reporting it, right? And of course, America isn't going through a horrible time of anti-Islam rhetoric fueled by the right, is it?


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Thursday, November 18, 2010 12:45 PM

CANTTAKESKY


I'm pissed. I'm really, really pissed.

Why do people have to defend their religion like this when they aren't doing anything harmful?

Why don't I see all this legal opposition to religions that actually DO hurt people, like the WBC? Sure they set up counter protests, but they never tried to legally stop the free practice of their faith, as disgusting and hurtful as it is. (Or maybe they have and I don't know about it.)

The point is, that sort of opposition should be reserved for actions as repulsive as those of the WBC. Not for people who are minding their own business.

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Thursday, November 18, 2010 12:48 PM

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Yup. My feelings exactly. Asked about something I hate, THIS would be examples, and I hate it because it is the very WORST of those among us, it is what the right has created, fanned and encouraged almost daily, and it represents people not thinking for themselves, just giving in to their fear and prejudice.

"We're better than that". Well, maybe not...


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Thursday, November 18, 2010 1:02 PM

BLUEHANDEDMENACE


This is horrific.

I am sad. Sad for the loss of my country's decency. I was raised to believe that in America we tolerate those of different beliefs.

Somehow, in the face of learning all of the ugly details of our history...I still believed we had a fundamental understanding that every person is welcome in our land.

Isn't that why we exist? Weren't we founded by people fleeing religious persecution, who wanted a place where any and all religions were welcome?

I look around, and wonder how people can be filled with so much fear, and bitterness, and hate. It must be exhausting...i have too many problems in my actial life to go and search for things to fear...

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Thursday, November 18, 2010 1:06 PM

BLUEHANDEDMENACE


Although the story about protesting the church by mistake is mighty fine comedy. Divine irony, one might say.

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Thursday, November 18, 2010 1:50 PM

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I still believed we had a fundamental understanding that every person is welcome in our land.

Not anymore.

Now I'm sad AND pissed.

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Thursday, November 18, 2010 2:46 PM

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"IF YOU THINK DIFFERENT YOU ARE WRONG."

Hello,

The sign pictured with the article says this. I found it to be a surprising piece of insightful wisdom. It did not intend to make a commentary about bias and intolerance, or at least not the comment it ended up making to my eyes.

But essentially, the problems with religious extremists, xenophobes, and political absolutists can be encapsulated by that sign.

In fact, it may be the essential statement about what is wrong with the Human race in general.

'If you think differently than I do, you are wrong.'

And eventually, you're not even human anymore.

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Thursday, November 18, 2010 2:46 PM

AURAPTOR

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A " backlash" ??

Are you serious, Clark ?


" I heard many people....and they say.. 'Is this a Muslim temple ? ' , ....' No, it's not ' "


Sorry, watching that video, there's zero evidence of any 'backlash ' or 'uproar'.

church leaders said they have received phone calls from concerned neighbors who’ve mistaken the building for an Islamic mosque.

OMG... phone calls! NO! Say it ain't so !!! Not communication via telephone ! ANYTHING but curious folks who ask questions!!!


More false reporting, simply to make a story out of nothing.

( And here's a quick little piece of advice... plant a cross , out in front of your church ? Or on top of that Dome? Maybe ? I know... crazy idea. )



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Thursday, November 18, 2010 3:12 PM

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But essentially, the problems with religious extremists, xenophobes, and political absolutists can be encapsulated by that sign.

In fact, it may be the essential statement about what is wrong with the Human race in general.

'If you think differently than I do, you are wrong.'

And eventually, you're not even human anymore.



Agreed, and as we know from Star Wars, only the Sith deal in absolutes...

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Thursday, November 18, 2010 3:15 PM

CANTTAKESKY


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Originally posted by AURaptor:
OMG... phone calls! NO! Say it ain't so !!! Not communication via telephone ! ANYTHING but curious folks who ask questions!!!

That is just the first story. Put that in context of the rest of the stories, and there is a pattern of religious intolerance.

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Thursday, November 18, 2010 3:16 PM

CANTTAKESKY


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Originally posted by AnthonyT:
'If you think differently than I do, you are wrong.'

And eventually, you're not even human anymore.

How often does that happen even in our little RWED.



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Thursday, November 18, 2010 3:32 PM

ANTHONYT

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"Agreed, and as we know from Star Wars, only the Sith deal in absolutes..."


Hello,

Well...

I have some serious problems with the Jedi.

They were as intolerant and rigid as those they opposed. As a bonus, almost the entire Jedi order was wiped out because they were behaving in a despicable fashion and it backfired on them.

They made Annikan (sp?) spy on his friend, chastised him regularly, and then initiated arbitrary illegal entry, seizure, and attempted execution of a suspected criminal without trial.

Meanwhile they exercized extensive control over the private lives of their members, to the point where having a strong emotional attachment to someone was forbidden. Never mind marriage.

If you look for a political ideology to match to the Jedi, I don't think it will be one that you find heroic.


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Thursday, November 18, 2010 3:37 PM

AURAPTOR

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Quote:

Originally posted by canttakesky:
Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
OMG... phone calls! NO! Say it ain't so !!! Not communication via telephone ! ANYTHING but curious folks who ask questions!!!

That is just the first story. Put that in context of the rest of the stories, and there is a pattern of religious intolerance.

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Going back to the original story, where it claimed there was a " backlash " , where there was none included in the story, at all.

I see a pattern of trumped up, phony 'intolerance', when folks are simply wondering what is being built. A church that doesn't put a cross out in front of it, or display any outward Christian symbols, yeah...that'll get some folks asking questions.

A church can be held in most any sort of structure. But generally, there's some sort of symbol, oh... like a CROSS, that can be put up for all to see.... This is a non story.




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Thursday, November 18, 2010 3:43 PM

THEHAPPYTRADER


The Jedi were not supposed to be involved in politics, perhaps that was what became their undoing...

I think the Jedi ideology throughout the time line (books and movies) has been about trying to control and understand something that is just not controllable or understandable. The Jedi of the prequels got complacent and thought they had it all figured out, then they got blindsided.

But I should quit before I get too into this, I'm a bit of a star wars nerd. The Sith reference was just for the funnies.

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Thursday, November 18, 2010 3:48 PM

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Hello,

Yes, I'm sorry. I'm slightly nerdish myself. :-)

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Thursday, November 18, 2010 3:59 PM

ANTHONYT

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Hello,

It may be that people were phoning in and clamoring over the new structure for more positive reasons... Perhaps wondering if it would turn out to be a new branch of the Taj Mahal Indian Dining Extravaganza that's so popular in Las Vegas. It may be that nobody cared if it was a mosque or not. Perhaps they were just idly curious, and their idle curiosity drove them to their telephones to find out what the new structure was. A new shopping mall, perhaps? Wouldn't that be fun?

I can only imagine their disappointment to learn that the only bargains in the structure would be for souls, and the only meals would consist of wafers and wine.

No matter how likely or unlikely, these things MAY be. And so, they provide a ledge on which to stand.

I shall not join you on that ledge, however. I prefer a sounder footing.

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Thursday, November 18, 2010 4:06 PM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
I see a pattern of trumped up, phony 'intolerance', when folks are simply wondering what is being built.

That's still the first story.

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Thursday, November 18, 2010 4:17 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by canttakesky:
Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
I see a pattern of trumped up, phony 'intolerance', when folks are simply wondering what is being built.

That's still the first story.





Yes, and that's exactly my point.

In this story, the lead one of this thread, twice was it remarked about there being some 'backlash' to the building.

There was nothing in the video or the text of the story which in any way indicated there being any 'backlash' or outrage.

If anything, this is a bonus story FOR the church. They're sure to get free pub ( and attract new members ) out of this fabricated story.


" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Thursday, November 18, 2010 5:20 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by Niki2:
Not to be outdone, the people of Pheonix, AZ were quick to call foul over the appearance of a dome-like structure along an interstate.



Pheonix, AZ. Is that anywhere near Phoenix?


But really. There are religious bigots in pretty much any society. Try building a Christian church, Jewish Synagogue, Buddhist temple, etc. in Saudi Arabia, Iran, Pakistan and see the bigots turn out. Also note that here, the government will step in to investigate any actions against damage due to religious bigotry.

"Keep the Shiny side up"

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Thursday, November 18, 2010 5:30 PM

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Hello,

The United States, without a doubt, has the best version of bad to be found in the globe. I would not choose to worsen my situation by living in any other nation. Their bad is worse than our bad, in my opinion. (Apologies to my good friend in Britain.)

However, I do choose to apply every reasonable pressure at my disposal to improve my favorite Earthly nation. I want it to be a very good nation, and not a bad-but-not-as-bad-as-theirs nation.

Hence, I frown mightily at this sort of behavior. Feel the mighty wrath of my frown, ye mosque haters. Cower before my down-turned lips and political commentary! ;-)

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Thursday, November 18, 2010 6:04 PM

CANTTAKESKY


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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Yes, and that's exactly my point.

Point taken.

But did you read the rest of the stories? Niki posted a whole bunch of them. They are not all like the first story.

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Thursday, November 18, 2010 6:06 PM

CANTTAKESKY


Quote:

Originally posted by AnthonyT:
The United States, without a doubt, has the best version of bad to be found in the globe.

I used to believe that. Since 9/11, I don't anymore.

I wish there were an emoticon for a painful sob.

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Thursday, November 18, 2010 9:21 PM

DREAMTROVE


Rap could be right. This might be a fluff piece to attract attention to the church.

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Friday, November 19, 2010 8:06 AM

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Blue: Everything you said. It saddens, and embarrasses me, on behalf of my country. It WOULD be funny to me, if it weren’t such a pathetic example of what’s happening to our country these days. As it is, irony is about as far as I can get.

Yes, Anthony, I liked the wording of the sign, too, in that it didn’t include chastisement for all the hateful rhetoric. But I’m confused; you seem to be saying “If you believe this is a mosque and not a church, you’re wrong”, which I think is quite appropriate and mild, rather than “If you think differently than we do, you’re wrong”. Did I misunderstand?

Yes, Raptor, we know you have a need to minimize any of this. But it’s real, and you didn’t mention any of the other stories, which are occurring with more and more frequency these days. But there’s more to it than that;
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But local commentary had been growing, saying that the building was a mosque and an investigation should be launched into the church.
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/blog-post/2010/11/mosque_protests_rea
ch_new_leve.html


So it’s okay with you that a church should have to be investigated just because it has a round dome and people are afraid it’s a mosque?

Also:
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Some vigilant citizens in Phoenix, Arizona are up in arms over a domed church that they wrongly believe to be a mosque. The large building, still under construction along a busy interstate, is actually a nondenominational church. The backlash has been severe enough that the church's leaders have hung a giant banner over the dome
http://www.theatlanticwire.com/features/view/feature/Locals-Protest-Mo
sque-Thats-Actually-a-Church-2546


By the way, a similar thing is happening in Turkey:
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the church was briefly used for prayers while work was underway to build a mosque for the new Muslim residents. A minaret was attached to the building, but its cross was never removed.

Later, the church was used for storage and as a stall.

However, current work on the church is being causing an uproar.

'There is no doubt that this structure is a church. It's a church even if it was briefly used as a mosque,' said Turkish architect and college instructor Oktay Ekinci.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/2324106/posts

But again you’re blowing it, Raptor. Just as with your question about hating Palin, you’ve stuck yourself to ONE example and are focusing on it to the exclusion of all the others. I happened to put up the first story first because it was ironic, but when looking for the best version of it to put up, I happened on all the others. If you want to make an argument, make it (even tho’, as above, it’s a fallacious one). But once you’ve made it, you have to go on and, if you can, refute the other stories as well. It’s happening, in many states, end of story.

Uhhh, Geezer, are we now saying we’re no better than Saudi Arabia, Iran, Pakistan when it comes to religious tolerance? Damn, I got it wrong, I guess we’re just like them. I’m with Anthony:
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I want it to be a very good nation, and not a bad-but-not-as-bad-as-theirs nation.
I resent that we’ve become like them in any way having to do with religious tolerance.

CTTS, here you go: or you could go for something dramatic, like or , but don’t think it’s that dramatic an issue...

DT, as you might see from the further quotes I put up, I think it’s bit more than a “fluff piece”. And. again, how about the other stories? In that context, to me it's serious.

By the way, I notice Raptor has been gone from this thread since yesterday. Of course, he could have other things to do or no longer be interested in the subject, but it looks to me like the second time (I've noticed) that he's backed out of a thread without answering questions posed to him. Just sayin'...


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Friday, November 19, 2010 8:18 AM

CANTTAKESKY


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Originally posted by Niki2:
CTTS, here you go: or you could go for something dramatic, like or , but don’t think it’s that dramatic an issue...

Where did you find these? They're awesome. LOL

So here goes again.

I don't believe the USA is the best place on earth anymore.

CTS

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The mysteries of the human mind: cell phone videos and religiously-driven 'honor killings' in the same sentence. OR How the rationality of the science that surrounds people fails to penetrate irrational beliefs.
Sun, November 24, 2024 13:11 - 18 posts
In the garden, and RAIN!!! (2)
Sun, November 24, 2024 13:05 - 4762 posts
Sweden Europe and jihadi islamist Terror...StreetShitters, no longer just sending it all down the Squat Toilet
Sun, November 24, 2024 13:01 - 25 posts
MSNBC "Journalist" Gets put in his place
Sun, November 24, 2024 12:40 - 2 posts
Is Elon Musk Nuts?
Sun, November 24, 2024 10:59 - 422 posts
The Islamic Way Of War
Sun, November 24, 2024 08:51 - 41 posts

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