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After Ireland: Who will be next to need a bailout?

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Friday, November 26, 2010 11:12 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Us, maybe?
Quote:

There was something depressingly familiar about the travails of the euro this past fortnight. The markets laid siege to a euro-zone member, Ireland, and — in a bid to settle the currency anxiety — a bailout package was agreed over the weekend. But now the markets have moved on. Earlier this week, it was Portugal under pressure, as borrowing costs soared on its debt. Investors then had Spain in their crosshairs, but by Wednesday, they had added Belgium and Italy to their list. Euro officials have emphatically insisted that no other country needs a bailout. But behind the scenes, they are watching the spreading contagion with apprehension. And what was once a taboo subject — the breakup of the euro zone — is being contemplated ever more openly.

How bad is it? Doom-laden warnings of a domino effect were also heard earlier in the year, as the euro zone pondered a bailout for Greece. The country's eventual rescue came with the creation of a shock-and-awe trillion-dollar bailout fund to help any euro-zone member that found itself in dire straits, and the move initially appeared to quiet the market's fears. The bailout fund can easily handle the $145 billion needed for Greece and the $115 billion estimated for Ireland. But if other nations put out the call for help, even a trillion dollars would be stretched: such an exercise for Spain alone would mean finding a whopping $570 billion, say analysts at Capital Economics. The looming possibility of serial European bailouts is, German Chancellor Angela Merkel said Tuesday, "exceptionally serious."

More at: http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,2033232,00.html#ixzz16QP
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Monday, November 29, 2010 7:37 PM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


Poor old Ireland. It's really a bit of a basket case at present.

"What went wrong? Almost everyone in Ireland points their fingers at an unholy trinity of politicians, bankers and developers for turning this boom to bust. The government blew up a demented property bubble by offering huge tax breaks on new buildings. Construction swelled to account for a fifth of Ireland's economy. Prices, mortgages, wages and costs soared. Unregulated banks went on a lending spree. By the time of the global banking crash, Ireland's banks held a terrifying amount of debt (by 2008 the Anglo Irish Bank held €73bn of loans – half of Ireland's GDP) and the country was the first in the eurozone to enter recession."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/may/26/ireland-economic-collapse

Unregulated banks being unscrupulous, and then everyone gets screwed over.


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Monday, November 29, 2010 7:54 PM

CATPIRATE


MD, You mean it wasn't George Bush and the Mexicans. Greedy Bankers are you sure.

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Monday, November 29, 2010 11:00 PM

CATPIRATE


Howdy Magonsdaughter, I have to lecture on this and rant alittle. Ok been real busy the last year. I am a blue collar dude. Luckily I am healthy and find work. I am blessed. I invested long term for many years. I believed in the stock market. Ok I have never lost any of my own money. But I have lost alot of gains. Since 9/11 I haven't really made all that after taxes. So 3 years ago I watched the economy get bad. So I cashed out payed huge taxes, have a job, and can pay most of the mortgage off. Now I tried to buy a home in Tucson through a realtor and a builder. Get this first I was treated like white trash, you have good taste but can't aford this home, second they never listen to me. I felt I was working for them. Not once would they haggle to bring the price down. Interest rates where at 6.5 then. I never told them how much I was going to put down. Now they could qualify me for a huge amount on the house they wouldn't sell to me anyways. So I told them do you expect me to eat. These jerks reminded me of airline people after 9/11 it's over your gonna be out of work and the same with sellers. I inventionally bought a home in another state. That took 9 months to close. They didn't just treat me as if I had sold drugs but came right out and ask me if I was a drug dealer, God's Truth. I had to show records from my 401k in the 80s. The banks are putting people in homes they can't afford. Plus they want you in debt. They don't want to get the cost of homes to be affordable. Now the biggest house on the block just got foreclosed. Those people could not pay there water bill. Half the homes in my area are for sale or repo like mine. But there ya go total greed.

I don't like being interupted when I am talking to myself, it's rude.

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Tuesday, November 30, 2010 6:14 AM

PEACEKEEPER

Keeping order in every verse


What Ireland didn't realise is, that there is no point in building 1000's of new houses when everybody in Ireland already has a house!!!!
And when a big financial corporation offers you money that you may not be able to repay, your most sensible course of action is to say "No Thank You". And I am so glad that the UK opted out of The Euro.

Peacekeeper---keeping order in every verse!!!

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Tuesday, November 30, 2010 9:54 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Yup, PK, I agree. The same thing happened here; we have TONS of new buildings--apartments and business complexes. The apartments aren't renting because prices are so high, especially for NEW stuff, and the office complexes stand all but empty.

Meanwhile, real "small businesses" which have been here since we moved here 35 years ago have been steadily going out of business. It's been so sad to see them go, and wonder which is next...

What a world!

I've been hearing about how those banks are sitting on foreclosed homes rather than putting them on the market. How stupid; wouldn't they have done better to re-negotiate and let those people stay in their homes and continue giving them money? I'm not that well versed in the situation, that's just how I feel.

Think I'll put up a thread on that, maybe it's something you guys can educate me on.

I guess in a way WE were the first bailout, if you count China as propping us up...


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Tuesday, November 30, 2010 10:09 AM

BLUEHANDEDMENACE


The "reason" the banks hold the properties off the market is an effort not to flood the market with distressed properties, bringing whole neighborhoods value down.

Its something of a cut off the nose to spite the face approach. Their worry is how much they can get back on their underperforming assets, far above the macro effects of delaying all these REOs back on the market.

Ya gotta remeber, the only properties the bank ends up owning are the ones they cant even sell at foreclosure auction, the real gems.

Meanwhile banks are poor property managers, they tend to hire a local company, only sometimes a realtor or other knowledgable real estate professional, and the properties condition continue to decline.

Its a nasty catch 22, but because banks fear a bad quarterly report for their shareholders, they choose any path which maximizes their gain or minimizes their loss RIGHT NOW. Not necessarily what is best for them or their market long term.

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Tuesday, November 30, 2010 2:39 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


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the only properties the bank ends up owning are the ones they cant even sell at foreclosure auction
I didn't know THAT, either.

And yes, I had heard about what's happening to the foreclosed properties that are being ignored, which is part of why I was wondering. It seems stupid. Which obviously it IS, but now I know more of "why" they'd rather do stupid. Thank you!


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Tuesday, November 30, 2010 4:02 PM

DREAMTROVE


It was an obvious predatory act. Ireland should never have joined the Euro. If you join, you are a slave state, and you have to expect this sort of thing.

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