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Originally posted by dreamtrove:
US looks for ways to intercept his extradition to Sweden by introducing new charges. Say hello to Gitmo. You shouldn't've mentioned the banks.

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Originally posted by AnthonyT:
The cat is out of the bag, and it is bigger than Assange. He is merely the mask of a movement. The face of an idea.

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Julian Assange now stands accused of: (1) not calling a young woman the day after he had enjoyed a night with her, (2) asking her to pay for his bus ticket, (3) having unsafe sex, and (4) participating in two brief affairs in the course of one week.

http://www.counterpunch.org/shamir09142010.html

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Assange's "Sex By Surprise" Accuser Worked With US-Funded, CIA-Tied Anti-Castro Group the Bombed an Olympic Airliner Pardoned by George Bush
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&a
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"Anna Ardin (the official complainant) is often described by the media as a “leftist”. She has ties to the US-financed anti-Castro and anti-communist groups. She published her anti-Castro diatribes (see here and here) in the Swedish-language publication Revista de Asignaturas Cubanas put out by Misceláneas de Cuba. From Oslo, Professor Michael Seltzer points out that this periodical is the product of a well-financed anti-Castro organization in Sweden. He further notes that the group is connected with Union Liberal Cubana led by Carlos Alberto Montaner whose CIA ties were exposed here."

"In Cuba she interacted with the feminist anti-Castro group Las damas de blanco (the Ladies in White). This group receives US government funds and the convicted anti-communist terrorist Luis Posada Carriles is a friend and supporter. Wikipedia quotes Hebe de Bonafini, president of the Argentine Madres de Plaza de Mayo as saying that “the so-called Ladies in White defend the terrorism of the United States.”

Who is Luis Posada Carriles? He’s a mass murderer, and former CIA agent.

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Meet Anna Ardin, the political secretary and press officer of the Swedish "Brotherhood Movement," a group of Christians from the Social Democratic Party controversial for inviting anti-Semitic speakers to the country. Another of their invited speakers: Assange, who lectured on the group's behalf in Stockholm this month right before he was hit with sex charges from two different women, charges ultimately dismissed by Swedish police and derided by Assange as "dirty tricks." Ardin appears to have helped coordinate Assange's travel around the country; in addition to arranging the Stockholm event, she reportedly tried to arrange places for Assange to stay through her Twitter account (she has apparently since deleted the tweets and has locked her WordPress blog).

Meet Wikileaks Founder's Alleged Sex Victim
http://gawker.com/5619931/meet-wikileaks-founders-alleged-sex-victim

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Originally posted by AnthonyT:

Assange didn't leak these documents. He published them. Thus the idea is also that there are people in organizations- people trusted with secrets- who are so disgusted by the system that they are willing to compromise it. And now those people will realize that there is an outlet for them to do so.

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Originally posted by AnthonyT:
Hello,

The idea is that people can have access to a reality that isn't scrubbed for public consumption.

The idea is that the powers, all the powers, are not immune to scrutiny as they have been in the past.

Assange didn't leak these documents. He published them. Thus the idea is also that there are people in organizations- people trusted with secrets- who are so disgusted by the system that they are willing to compromise it. And now those people will realize that there is an outlet for them to do so.

Security will doubtless tighten, but I well know that large organizations have vulnerabilities that simply can't be locked down in their entirety.

And it won't just be Wikileaks. I expect this phenomenon to grow. The danger started when the internet gave everyone a printing press, and so the press became everyone.

I expect there will be more of this, not less. I expect this is the beginning of uncomfortable disclosures, not the end.

As we get more and more glimpses at the man behind the curtain, we will have opportunities for the first time to be educated voters. For the first time, we will have an idea as to what is actually happening.

The fourth estate has failed, but now that every man is a pressman, the fifth column is everywhere.

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Originally posted by AnthonyT:
Why do we need wikileaks? Because they are currently doing the job that traditional news and news reporters were meant to do. Namely, inform the citizenry of the actions of their institutions so that we can make more intelligent choices.

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Originally posted by AnthonyT:
"So maybe your personal documents are next? "

Hello,

Next? My personal documents have long since been on the table for the sake of National Security. I can be murdered by the Executive branch without due process. I can be seized and held indefinitely.

This is the first time the scales have tilted the other way. The way, incidentally, that the founders intended when they gave broad protections to the press. (i.e. anyone who operates a printing press.)

"Besides, who needs wikileaks?? The worst things the US is doing has nothing to do with what Wikileaks has published: Afghanistan and Iraq, etc., and we're doing absolutely nothing about it."

Wikileaks has published quite a bit about these conflicts that seem likely to sap the credibility of the government and the will to go to war on their pretenses. Wikileaks is responsible for some unvarnished peeks at the war, and how far the administration will lie about it.

Why do we need wikileaks? Because they are currently doing the job that traditional news and news reporters were meant to do. Namely, inform the citizenry of the actions of their institutions so that we can make more intelligent choices.

--Anthony

Assured by friends that the signal-to-noise ratio has improved on this forum, I have disabled web filtering.

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Originally posted by AnthonyT:
"I meant retailers and the public at large, people who can take advantage of knowing your personal habits and what you do, what you buy, what you have in the bank, and what you may want to do. In other words, loss of Freedom, a word and an idea I know you care a great deal about."

Hello,

I do care a great deal about it, but I do not see the connection between wikileaks and retailers or the public at large.

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Originally posted by AnthonyT:
Hold on, I know I have my magic wand somewhere... ;-)

Dissatisfaction with government and the military complex will translate into changes in policy when ballots are at risk. That dissatisfaction is amplified by revelations about the abuses and misinformation spread by our government. It's not a flip-the-switch thing. It's a long game. Our job is to keep up the furor and keep spreading the word so that people don't forget.

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The fourth estate has failed, but now that every man is a pressman, the fifth column is everywhere.

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Originally posted by dreamtrove:
Pizmo, you're missing it: He has changed the infoflow. It used to be, the infoflow was top down, broadcast, like television. The internet created infoflow as parallel, peer to peer. Then the powers that be tried to reassert their top down infoflow. Now Assange has made the infoflow bottom up. We determine what the story is, and everyone will have access to the information. The dynamic has decidedly shifted: Large organizations that do evil will be ratted, because they will have to rely on humans. And humans can't be trusted.

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Originally posted by dreamtrove:
That, plus Anthony: Yes, the fact that large organizations have many members. As individuals, we have just ourselves, there is much less opportunity for leaks, and there are many fewer interested parties in reading those.

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Originally posted by dreamtrove:
If a govt. had to read thousands of documents on each of a billion citizens, it would be impossible, but if a billion citizens were to break down the actions of thousands of govt. representatives, they could do it with ease.

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Originally posted by AnthonyT:
"I don't think people who are willing to steal secrets care what those secrets are, only what their value is, like you bank access info, credit card and SS#s. Maybe Asange is a great moralist and his aim is simply, The Truth. There are certainly others who don't care."

Hello,

While it is possible that someone from my organization (my wife, I suppose) will leak my financial data to a news agency, it is not a concern foremost on my mind.

There are laws protecting private information. Just as there are laws protecting whistleblowers and the press.

I think the difference between the two is evident.

I have a deep interest in personal Freedom and Privacy. However, I also have a deep interest in constraining the Freedom and Privacy of my government. Does that make me a hypocrite?

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Originally posted by dreamtrove:
Large organizations that do evil will be ratted, because they will have to rely on humans. And humans can't be trusted.

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"We determine what the story is..."

"And humans can't be trusted."

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Originally posted by pizmobeach:

Who decides the constraints and restrictions? Our elected officials? Who acts on the content in all those leaked current and future documents? Fwiw, that is what I've been trying to get at with all of my typing.

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Originally posted by piratenews:


Would YOU rape* this CIA agent, if she begged you to rape* her over and over in her own bed?

*Rape is defined as consentual sex without a condom in Sweden.

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