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Specifically, Judge Hudson invalidated the part of the landmark healthcare law that requires individuals to buy health insurance.

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Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
I love the silence from the national socialists

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Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
I love the silence from the national socialists.

Quite refreshing actually.

"Hope is a good thing, maybe the best of things, and no good thing ever dies"

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Originally posted by SignyM:
So here's my take on the ruling: GOOD.

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Originally posted by SignyM:
So here's my take on the ruling: GOOD.

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Okay. Now I know why it's so cold here. Hell has officially frozen over.



"Keep the Shiny side up"

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And yes, Mike, there is all of that...which nobody seems to want to pay attention to. The idea seems to be to challenge it on so many fronts that it DOES go to the Supremes. And I think you're wrong. I think the currently right-leaning Supreme Court has a good chance of striking it down. I'm not sure why you think otherwise, unless it's that the profits the insurance companies will make out of the mandate are something you think they'll be in favor of. I much more see them following the right's example of wanting to strike down "Obamacare" no matter what. JMHO.

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"The unchecked expansion of congressional power to the limits suggested by the Minimum Essential Coverage Provision would invite unbridled exercise of federal police powers."
-Judge Henry Hudson, Commonwealth of Virginia v. Sebelius, 3:10CV188-HEH, 13 Dec 2010
http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2010/images/12/13/va.healthcare.ruling.pd
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"The controversial plan was adopted by Congress, whose members admitted they did not read the thousands of pages of new requirements, limits and restrictions before their vote. It was a plan by Texas Rep. Leo Berman, R-Tyler, that would create penalties of up to $5,000 in fines and up to five years in jail for anyone guilty of the "felony" of attempting "to enforce an act, order, law, statute, rule or regulation" of Obamacare, the president's plan that effectively nationalizes the health-care decision making process. A year ago, Wyoming adopted legislation pioneered in the state of Montana that exempts guns made, sold and kept in the state from any federal regulations. Then lawmakers attached a penalty of up to two years in jail or $2,000 in fines for "federal agents" who would try to enforce regulations that violate state law."

http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=239193

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"The most stunning statistic, however, is that the total number of deaths caused by conventional medicine is an astounding 783,936 per year. It is now evident that the American medical system is the leading cause of death and injury in the US. Using Leape's 1997 medical and drug error rate would add another 216,000 deaths, for a total of 999,936 deaths annually. Our estimated 10-year total of 7.8 million iatrogenic* deaths is more than all the casualties from all the wars fought by the US throughout its entire history. Our considerably higher figure is equivalent to six jumbo jets are falling out of the sky each day."
—Gary Null, PhD; Carolyn Dean MD, ND; Martin Feldman, MD; Debora Rasio, MD; Dorothy Smith, PhD, "Death by Medicine", March 2004 (plus 1-Million annual aborticides in USA)
http://www.lef.org/magazine/mag2004/mar2004_awsi_death_01.htm

"Harold Shipman, the British family doctor who murdered more than 200 of his patients to become one of the worst serial killers of all time, hanged himself in his prison cell."
—Reuters, "Britain's worst serial killer Dr Death dies in prison," Jan 13, 2004
http://abc.net.au/news/newsitems/s1024925.htm

UPPER MARLBORO, Md. (CN) - A man who was hurt in a car crash but was misidentified as a cancer patient claims security guards at Prince George's Hospital beat him up when he tried to leave the hospital to avoid chest surgery he didn't need - "to have a potentially cancerous mass removed from his chest." He adds that one guard repeatedly called him "bitch" as he roughed him up.
http://www.courthousenews.com/2010/08/25/29858.htm

50% of doctors and nurses still don't wash their hands.
http://women.webmd.com/news/20040706/study-doctors-dont-wash-hands-eno
ugh
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/scotland/article5375084.ece

Nurses Did Not Wash Hands, Blamed for Deaths of 90 British Patients
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,301482,00.html

247 Americans Die Every Day from Doctors not Washing Their Hands
http://www.naturalnews.com/027981_doctors_hand_washing.html

"He seemed like Superman, able to guide jumbo jets through perilous skies and tiny tubes through blocked arteries. As a cardiologist and United Airlines captain, William Hamman taught doctors and pilots ways to keep hearts and planes from crashing. He shared millions in grants, had university and hospital posts, and bragged of work for prestigious medical groups. An Associated Press story featured him leading a teamwork training session at an American College of Cardiology convention last spring. But it turns out Hamman isn't a cardiologist or even a doctor. The AP found he had no medical residency, fellowship, doctoral degree or the 15 years of clinical experience he claimed. He attended medical school for a few years but withdrew and didn't graduate. Journals that printed articles listing Hamman with M.D. and Ph.D. degrees are being contacted in case they want to correct the work. Beaumont removed him from a U.S. Department of Defense medical simulation contract that a physician at the hospital had obtained. Doctors who attended Hamman's sessions don't have to worry — the Accreditation Council for Continuing Medical Education will not revoke any education credits they earned."
-AP, Pilot duped AMA with fake M.D. claim, 12 Dec 2010

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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
Simple, abolish medical insurance and make access to care a fucking HUMAN RIGHT...

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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
Why cut our massively-bloated "defense" budget across the board by 10%.
*snaps fingers*
MORE than enough money right there, and the warfare-welfare industry would barely even notice.

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Hello,

I wonder how much of the covert action and intelligence budget could be diverted.

The original purpose of the CIA, for instance, was to get accurate information to the decision-makers and to prevent another Pearl Harbor type surprise.

It has *almost* universally failed to do so, and the cost of failure has arguably been greater than the cost of the surprise attacks that the CIA is meant to detect.

I think we can do a lot better than 10%, and in more than one area.

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Originally posted by SignyM:
Well, I've been at work. Yanno, work. Maybe you've heard of it?

So here's my take on the ruling: GOOD.

Of all the things that were in the health care bill, that one just stuck in my craw. I have absolutely no interest in being showed into the corporate-health-care maw, and even less interest when its by law.

It's not an anti-government thing, it's an anti-corporate thing. But you wouldn't understand.

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If it's a "Human Right" then the recipient shouldn't have to pay for something that's theirs by right.

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Also seems that the pretty much complete absence of successful attacks on the U.S. since 9/11 probably hasn't happened because the folks who want to do so have decided to take a break for nine years. Maybe the intelligence community is doing stuff you don't know about - covert stuff?

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And I ain't gonna get into that "Force" bullshit, I am flat sayin we ought to, all of us, VOLUNTARILY agree to fucking provide it, as human beings to each other - or admit that we're flat out willing to let others die for our own profit.

Let us see what your true colors really ARE, shall we ?

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Also seems that the pretty much complete absence of successful attacks on the U.S. since 9/11 probably hasn't happened because the folks who want to do so have decided to take a break for nine years. Maybe the intelligence community is doing stuff you don't know about - covert stuff?

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Oh yes, and cherry trees repel elephants too, didn't you know - look, there's the proof, no elephants at site three!

I put off to you that my argument is no less ludicrous than yours, Geeze.

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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:

You wanna talk ethics and morality, fine, we'll talk ethics and morality - you wanna talk economics, we'll talk economics...

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But for a fact, to withhold care cause someone is poor is an inhumane act, and I don't give a fuck what your justifications are - although I will probably be grimly amused, in a black humor sorta way, to watch you try.

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You no longer have power here.

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