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Sunday, January 2, 2011 9:14 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Okay. So now the Republicans are in control in the House...that doesn't herald a really significant change, since the House is the weaker of the two branches and Obama has veto power, but let's see what they have to PROPOSE, rather than just everything they want to BLOCK.
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After being left for dead in the wake of the 2008 election, Republicans staged a stunning comeback over the past year.

Winning back the House and gaining a significant number of seats in the Senate in November gives them another stab at governing. The energized GOP, added to Americans' discontent with the way the country is headed, played a large factor in the midterm election wins.

The good

In January, Republicans will control the agenda in the House and the future of bills in the Senate.

It didn't hurt that they were able to win over an influential voting bloc -- the independents who make or break elections -- in rolling up impressive wins in November.

Any analyst will tell you that offense is key to winning a game, and that's what Republicans went for. They shined a spotlight on Democratic policies and were able to convince American voters that change was needed.

Mix in a bad economy and record high unemployment, a rough period during which they weren't the ones at the helm, and you have a recipe for success.

10 things Republicans must do in 10 weeks

According to midterm exit polls, 88 percent of voters found economic conditions to be not good or poor, and 86 percent said they were very worried or somewhat worried about the economy.

Republican wins, some say, came from a perception of the party as being a unified force, all on the same legislative page.

In a year when the economy was issue No. 1, observers argue, Republicans didn't need to focus campaigns on hot-button issues such as same-sex marriage and abortion, which normally rev up its base.

The GOP base was already energized and ready to spend whatever political capital it took to win back the hearts and minds of Americans struggling to make ends meet.

The bad

Simply put, the Republican sweep of Congress had less to do with support for the GOP and more with voters wanting change, polls found.

A CNN poll released in November indicated that only one in six people saw the election results as a mandate for the GOP.

"Republicans should not be taking a victory lap, and they should not be interpreting this as a mandate for all the Republican policies," Christie said. "It's just the American people wanting to but a brake on the Democrats and allow the Republicans an opportunity to limit the size and scope of government."

The number of Americans happy with the election results was 12 points lower than the six in 10 who felt the same after the 2006 midterm elections, when Democrats won control of both the House and the Senate.

The poll also found that Americans were divided on the Republicans' plans and policies for the future, with 41 percent approving and 37 percent saying they disapprove.

Obama and Democratic leaders consistently tried to paint Republicans as obstructionists -- "the party of 'no' " -- highlighting their frequent filibustering of bills in the Senate and general unwillingness to work in a bipartisan manner. Public opinion this year found a desire for both parties to work together to get things done.

But a lot changed as Congress entered its lame-duck session.

The tax cut extension bill brokered by Obama and key Republicans showed that the two parties could work together and find solutions. But not everyone was happy. Liberals within the Democratic ranks found themselves at odds with their leader and railed against what they saw as a bill that hurt the middle class while helping the rich get richer.

That legislative item, along with a $1.1 trillion spending bill, also showed the cracks beginning to develop between Republicans and Tea Party groups.

Groups like the Tea Party Express and Tea Party Patriots blasted both pieces of legislation, saying they were too expensive, were deficit-unfriendly and went against Republicans' fiscal conservative pledges.

Tea Party leaders were breathing fire in particular over the spending bill, which was filled with more than $8 billion in earmarks from members of both parties.

Christie said there is no doubt in his mind that if Republicans go back to their old ways, "which was bloated appropriations bills and far too much spending, I think the Tea Party folks would just be as inclined to throw the Republicans out."

The future

It is vital that Republicans demonstrate to the American people why they should be trusted with the "keys to the car," Christie added.

It is important, then, that the party outline new solutions and not just the mantra of "no."

Republicans "need to be the party of ideas," said Mark Preston, CNN senior political editor. "They just can't be the party of obstruction ... but to also offer solutions to some of the problems that are facing the nation."

Another issue that Republicans will need to look out for, observers say, is freshman members of Congress who face a learning curve.

"The first thing new members discover is how little they know about the complex issues they are going to be dealing with or the operating procedures of the House and Senate," Ed Rollins, a GOP strategist and CNN senior political contributor, wrote."What many don't realize is that what they offered as a sound-bite response in a campaign moment has become a commitment to untangle complex issues with no easy solutions."

http://www.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/12/30/republicans.review/index.html?h
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Interesting times ahead...


Hippie Operative Nikovich Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
Contracted Agent of Veritas Oilspillus, code name “Nike”,
signing off





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Sunday, January 2, 2011 9:48 AM

DREAMTROVE


Why is the path unclear?

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Sunday, January 2, 2011 11:24 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


In my opinion, because the Republicans have spent two years being the self-proclaimed "Party of No", obstructing any forward movement or any proposed legislation without providing many, if any, alternatives.

Now they're in power, hopefully the onus will be on them to start providing things, rather than obstructing everyone others provide. We'll have to see if they can do it, and how well they'll do it, now that they've gained the power they sought.


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Contracted Agent of Veritas Oilspillus, code name “Nike”,
signing off




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Sunday, January 2, 2011 1:12 PM

DREAMTROVE


the battles done and we kinda won...




the best thing a govt can do is nothing, but if it does anything at all

it should be to prevent any arm of any other govt from doing anything

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Sunday, January 2, 2011 1:38 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by dreamtrove:
Why is the path unclear?




Guess I'm not the only one who felt the urge to sing a bit from " Once more with feeling "







" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Monday, January 3, 2011 2:28 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


... Or throw down some Alan Parsons Project...

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Monday, January 3, 2011 8:02 AM

DREAMTROVE


Mike

wrong genre, eyes in the sky notwithstanding

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Monday, January 3, 2011 8:13 AM

WULFENSTAR

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg


Where do we go from here?

Now that MY generation is finally taking command? Now that we, who have seen the mistakes and the wrongs of the previous generation?

We just have the last hurdle of putting the Baby Boomer hippie generation to rest...

Then... freedom, and hope.

The real kind of course.



"Hope is a good thing, maybe the best of things, and no good thing ever dies"

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Monday, January 3, 2011 8:18 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

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Monday, January 3, 2011 8:23 AM

WULFENSTAR

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg


The Tea Party is doing it, and without a single drop of blood spent.

The system works. Sort of. We will do all we can to make sure it works right.



"Hope is a good thing, maybe the best of things, and no good thing ever dies"

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Monday, January 3, 2011 8:27 AM

WULFENSTAR

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg




"Hope is a good thing, maybe the best of things, and no good thing ever dies"

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Monday, January 3, 2011 8:49 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
Where do we go from here?

Now that MY generation is finally taking command? Now that we, who have seen the mistakes and the wrongs of the previous generation?

We just have the last hurdle of putting the Baby Boomer hippie generation to rest...




Wulfie, yer killin' me here!

What got me laughing was this post of yours, decrying those pesky "hippies" and their crazy notion of "we'll change EVERYTHING when WE take power! All we have to do is put those old fuddy-duddies from the Eisenhower era to rest, and then, boy, things will REALLY be different!"

To hear you claiming the exact same things, despite your admission that you really weren't awake during the last conservative regime (apparently you weren't really into "freedom" and "liberty" as long as YOUR SIDE was in power, eh?), it just cracks me up. Because you sound almost like.... a damn HIPPIE! "Boy, we're really going to show you establishment types! You bet we are! Just you wait 'til we're big and you're little, and then we'll show you a thing or two!"

Seriously, you're a funny guy. I just don't think it was your intention to come off that way. ;)

This Space For Rent!

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Monday, January 3, 2011 10:26 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Quote:

Now that MY generation is finally taking command? Now that we, who have seen the mistakes and the wrongs of the previous generation?

We just have the last hurdle of putting the Baby Boomer hippie generation to rest...

Then... freedom, and hope.

The real kind of course.




Oh, gawd, first laugh of the morning!

But then, it's pretty template Wulf, so I'm not surprised. Everything you said, Mike, struck me when I read it just as it struck you...with the addition of a sad smile for the usual disconnected-from-reality Wulf mentality.

That he sees gaining control of the House as the end-all, be-all which will bring freedom and hope is just sooo damned sad...sigh...


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Monday, January 3, 2011 11:55 AM

WULFENSTAR

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg


We'll see, won't we?

"Hope is a good thing, maybe the best of things, and no good thing ever dies"

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Monday, January 3, 2011 12:08 PM

WULFENSTAR

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg


Quicksand sucks. And who we've put up may fail us.

But we have to hold them accountable.

This is our future.



"Hope is a good thing, maybe the best of things, and no good thing ever dies"

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Monday, January 3, 2011 12:25 PM

DREAMTROVE


Rap

Didn't know you sang

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