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You and Rappy keep assigning me motives, positions, agendas, and opinions. Now you're going to get pissy when I return the favor?

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So you have never said anything at all inflammatory regarding Palin or tea-partiers?

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So much easier to dehumanize your opponent, is that about right?

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In this thread? (nice caveat) Well, I refer to them as teabaggers, because that's the name they chose themselves, not realizing it was a bit self-insulting, and I'm happy to oblige and call them what they wanted to be called...

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You'd certainly never stoop to such levels, right? That high horse you rode in on? Yeah, it's way over there now, and you're far too small to mount it again.

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In this thread? (nice caveat) Well, I refer to them as teabaggers, because that's the name they chose themselves, not realizing it was a bit self-insulting, and I'm happy to oblige and call them what they wanted to be called...

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Wow, that almost sounded like an answer to my question.

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You'd certainly never stoop to such levels, right? That high horse you rode in on? Yeah, it's way over there now, and you're far too small to mount it again.

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Don't have a horse, never said I did. That is just the present position you have assigned for me.

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And you're jut as crazy as bin Laden and Charles Manson.

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Why do Lefties always go back to that cartoonish claim? No one is ever " wrong ", or someone with you disagree, they're a LIAR or DISHONEST.

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Friday, May 28, 2010 - 18:26 To President Obama:
Mr. President, you're a god damn, mother fucking liar.
Fuck you, you cock sucking community activist piece of shit.
... go fuck yourself, Mr. President.

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And you're jut as crazy as bin Laden and Charles Manson.

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Really? Difference being, I'm not the one talking about killing.

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And you're jut as crazy as bin Laden and Charles Manson.

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Really? Difference being, I'm not the one talking about killing. That's my last response to you for a couple of days. Maybe even until the weekend. Promise.

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Friday, May 28, 2010 - 18:26 To President Obama:
Mr. President, you're a god damn, mother fucking liar.
Fuck you, you cock sucking community activist piece of shit.
... go fuck yourself, Mr. President.

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Or was that some OTHER Rappy who posted that "cartoonish claim"?

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And it seems Rep. Gifford was on Sarah Palin's "Hit List" with a riflescope graphic targeted on her district.

So is there a connection?

Or is this guy a secret Muslim of some sort?

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The war has begun.


Choose or perish.

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I *D*I*D* think Arizona was one of those states that had a newly passed "open carry" law that was gonna reduce violent crime. An armed citizenry was gonna stop criminals with guns from shooting people.

Or maybe they kept it from being worse, made sure nobody but Democrats and liberal supporters got killed or wounded?

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Fucking right-wing assholes.

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The war you clowns are geeked up about there being, phonying up intent and culpability by showing Palin's POLITICAL strategy and assigning it meaning which it clearly did NOT have, and changing thread titles to suggest the most ridiculous, simply to project your political wet dreams.

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He's in the far-right wing. Nuttier than a fruitcake like PN, but not so different from Wulf, who espouses violence at every opportunity. And Rappy, with his brilliant little statement about "choose and perish" belongs in the same bag of snakes.

So I gave back what the RWERz here have so generously provided: Intolerance, prejudice, idiocy, and just a whiff of threat. And I find, not surprisingly, that RWERz get all bent out of shape when what THEY do is reflected back at them. Can dish it out, can't take it. Get poked with a stick, and go into a frenzy of whining. Sheesh.

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I haven't personally seen anything that tells me this idiot was a right-winger or a teabagger, but I can't say I'd be shocked if he were. 'Course, I can't say I'd be shocked to find out he was just a lone-nut loser, either, with nothing but confusion filling his head. Mostly, his vids just seem disjointed and lost.

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Friday, May 28, 2010 - 18:26 To President Obama:
Mr. President, you're a god damn, mother fucking liar.
Fuck you, you cock sucking community activist piece of shit.
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Or was that some OTHER Rappy who posted that "cartoonish claim"?

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Well, he is. Was I wrong ? Nope.

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And where'd I ever cheer for this AZ shooter nut case ? Oh, that's right, I NEVER DID.

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Such things only occur in your mind, Kwickie.

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[about Kwicko's post]

...which I was happy to read, cause it's sometimes difficult to figure out exactly where he stands and what he's saying. This statement efficiently sums that up and I can't really disagree with it.

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Happy, I think you missed the part where KKKaney, avowed right-winger and hero to many of the righties around here, said that all the liberals should absolutely be shot. Let's hope I'm not unfairly quoting the right on that one...

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HAPPY, I'm all about discussing and I have bird-dogged down some of the most disingenuous counterpoints know to this board. But I draw the line when peeps threaten. I have sat on a friend's porch with a gun in my lap, waiting for a stalker to show up. Been in more than one dangerous and possibly life-threatening situation. Now, maybe its just me, but bringing that kind of shit to the board is inexcusable and near-unforgivable. I'm doing Rappy the significant courtesy of backing away and allowing him to do the same. Not good enuf for you?

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Originally posted by Kwicko:

No, you keep holding him up as an example. "The War has begun." "Choose or perish." "Choose AND perish." "Don't start something you don't want started."

Your meaning and implications are quite clear, as you say. (Hey, you love imparting meaning and intent to the words of others, so goose sauce = gander sauce, right?)

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also, I suppose I should thank kwicko for pointing out how I looked concerning the Muslim thing (even though it pissed the hell out of me at the time). I think it was exaggerated, but he wasn't the only person who thought that way. I don't think Muslims as a whole are any more dangerous than any other group of people, their extremists just happen to be trending right now. I suppose I should be more careful in my post so as not to create a false impression.

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Doctors say the bullet traveled the length of the left side of the Arizona congresswoman's brain, entering the back of the skull and exiting the front.

http://www.timesonline.com/bct_news/news_details/article/1373/2011/jan
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Unfortunately, you tend to hit the entire right with proxy fire. 'fucking right wing assholes' and implying the right as a whole is responsible for the attack and are pro-violence.

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Unfortunately, you tend to hit the entire right with proxy fire. 'fucking right wing assholes' and implying the right as a whole is responsible for the attack and are pro-violence.

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Well, you haven't been around for very long, so you haven't been around long enough to know that I distinguish between right-wingers. Peeps like Jongsstraw and Ripwash and DT and (to some extent) Anthony are decent people who try to represent their POV honestly, w/o resorting to name-calling, threats, and other crap. It doesn't seem to me that you're the type to stoop to threats and name-calling and innuendo and ranting and other crap that passes for discussion. If I hit you by mistake, I apologize.

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This is an internal memo obtained by Fox News put out by DHS compiling facts known so far about the case - new - shooter's mother worked for Pima board of supervisers and the suspected anti-Semitic motivation of the shooter.

MEMO:

"The investigation has been taken over by the FBI, and is being run through the Tucson Command Post. Here's what can be confirmed at this time (1800 hrs)... * Gabrielle Giffords Is in ICU.* Federal judge John Roll is deceased. He did rule on a 32 million dollar civil rights lawsuit in February, 2010. That ruling brought death threats to Roll and his family, and for a time he was given a protection detail.* 6 deaths attributed to the shooting. 19 total people hit by gunfire.*

suspect’s mother works for the Pima County Board of Supervisors*

the suspect has multiple arrests ... But no criminal record? Intervention by someone?* no direct connection - but strong suspicion is being directed at AmRen / American Renaissance. Suspect is possibly linked to this group. (through videos posted on his myspace and YouTube account.). The group’s ideology is anti government, anti immigration, anti ZOG (Zionist Occupational Government), anti Semitic. Gabrielle Gifford is the first Jewish female elected to such a high position in the US government. She was also opposite this group’s ideology when it came to immigration debate.* DHS have a list of names and dates of birth of all victims.* the ACTIC is still playing a major role in the investigation...

Computer forensics is cleaning up the surveillance videos, and images from around the scene,

and involved in the investigation - working together, was MCSO, DPS, Phoenix PD, ICE, and of course the FBI. It did just come in from the command post, that the federal judge was Not originally scheduled to attend the meeting, according to wife. She stated that he received a phone call about an hour before and was invited to attend. Wrong place - wrong time. For the planning side, there are impromptu memorials popping up all over the state, but the largest one is downtown phoenix, at the capital."

http://israelmatzav.blogspot.com/2011/01/gabrielle-giffords-was-shot-b
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The turning point came in 2001 following a tour of Israel with the American Jewish Committee, she told The Arizona Star in 2007.

"It just cemented the fact that I wanted to spend more time with my own personal, spiritual growth. I felt very committed to Judaism," she said. "Religion means different things to different people. It provides me with grounding, a better understanding of who I came from."

Her wedding to Cmdr. Mark Kelly, an astronaut, was written up in The New York Times. The item noted that a mariachi band played Jewish music and two canopies -- a chupah and one of swords held up by Kelly’s Navy buddies.

“That was Gabby,” Jonathan Rothschild, a longtime friend who served on her campaign’s executive committee, recalled to JTA. “The real irony of this thing is her Judaism is central to her, but she is the kind of person who reaches out to everybody.”

Giffords’ father is Jewish and her mother is a Christian Scientist, and she was raised in both faiths. Her grandfather, Akiba Hornstein, changed his name to Gifford Giffords after moving from New York to Arizona, in part because he did not want his Jewishness to be an issue in unfamiliar territory.

http://www.jta.org/news/article/2011/01/09/2742463/giffords-known-both
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When Israeli prime minister Ariel Sharon said "We control America" did he mean like....?

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"Every time we do something you tell me America will do this and will do that . . . I want to tell you something very clear: Don't worry about American pressure on Israel. We, the Jewish people, control America, and the Americans know it."
-Israeli Prime Minister, Ariel Sharon, October 3, 2001

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45 of the United States Congressmen are Jewish and almost all hold dual citizenship with Israel. Does this worry anyone else?

Senate

(14— 12 Democrats, 2 Independents)
Michael Bennet (D-CO)*
Barbara Boxer (D-CA)
Benjamin Cardin (D-MD)
Russ Feingold (D-WI)
Dianne Feinstein (D-CA)
Al Franken (D-MN)*
Herb Kohl (D-WI)
Frank Lautenberg (D-NJ)
Joseph Lieberman (I-CT)
Carl Levin (D-MI)
Bernard Sanders (I-VT)
Charles Schumer (D-NY)
Arlen Specter (D-PA)
Ron Wyden (D-OR)

House

(31— 1 Republican, 30 Democrats)
Gary Ackerman (D-NY)
John H. Adler (D-NJ)*
Shelley Berkley (D-NV)
Howard Berman (D-CA)
Eric Cantor (R-VA)
Stephen Cohen (D-TN)
Susan Davis (D-CA)
Eliot Engel (D-NY)
Bob Filner (D-CA)
Barney Frank (D-MA)
Gabrielle Giffords (D-AZ)
Alan Grayson (D-FL)*
Jane Harman (D-CA)
Paul Hodes (D-NH)
Steve Israel (D-NY)
Steve Kagen (D-WI)
Ronald Klein (D-FL)
Sander Levin (D-MI)
Nita Lowey (D-NY)
Jerrold Nadler (D-NY)
Jared Polis (D-CO)*
Steve Rothman (D-NJ)
Jan Schakowsky (D-IL)
Adam Schiff (D-CA)
Allyson Schwartz (D-PA)
Brad Sherman (D-CA)
Debbie Wasserman Schultz (D-FL)

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Rappy, you can try to bury your little "choose and perish" statement with a blizzard of off-topic snark, but I really know which side you're on. It was YOUR response I found both offensive and threatening. And coming from a guy who can't even commit to saying whether a flat tax is fair or not... I mean, you're just a little coward who gets all wet when someone does your dirty work. Sorry dude, but if it were possible to have less than zero respect for someone, you would be that person.

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"The was has begun," and all that rot.

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Happy, I think you missed the part where KKKaney, avowed right-winger and hero to many of the righties around here, said that all the liberals should absolutely be shot. Let's hope I'm not unfairly quoting the right on that one...

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...which I was happy to read, cause it's sometimes difficult to figure out exactly where he stands and what he's saying. This statement efficiently sums that up and I can't really disagree with it.

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I appreciate that. Not sure why it's so hard to nail down what I believe or where I stand. I generally stand to the left of center, and I generally like to ask "...and THEN what?" I've long advocated having a Cabinet position for the "Department of And Then What?"

People like to live in black and white; they don't like to face the greys of reality. I'm the guy in the grey suit, battling the absolute. :)

This Space For Rent!

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Larry Correia may have made the best statement about the incident and the MSM's reaction to it.

http://larrycorreia.wordpress.com/2011/01/09/understanding-media-or-wh
y-are-you-right-wingers-so-filled-with-hate/

The more I get to know people the more I like my dogs.

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The war has begun.

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I'm no right-winger, but i do feel all libtards should be shot. And I hope this liberal pig-whore dies.

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Hell, she has plenty of blood on her hands, and appears deserving of the result.

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This crystallizes the dichotomy and hypocracy of the Left, brilliantly.

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Tea Party movement is about how regular Americans are sick of paying too much in taxes and the government is too big and ineffectual = SETTING A DANGEROUS AND VIOLENT TONE.

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Angry rhetoric brings US to the brink
Matt Bai
January 10, 2011

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WITHIN minutes of the first reports that Arizona Democrat Gabrielle Giffords and a score of people with her had been shot in Tucson, pages began disappearing from the web.

One was Sarah Palin's infamous ''cross-hairs'' map from last year, which showed a series of contested congressional districts, including Giffords's, with gun targets trained on them. Another was from Daily Kos, the liberal blog, where one of the congresswoman's apparently liberal constituents declared her ''dead to me'' after Giffords voted against Nancy Pelosi in House leadership elections.
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Odds are pretty good that neither of these - nor any other isolated bit of imagery - had much to do with the shooting in Tucson. But scrubbing them from the internet couldn't erase all evidence of the rhetorical recklessness that permeates our political moment. The question is whether Saturday's shooting marks the logical end point of such a moment - or the beginning of a terrifying new one.

Modern America has endured such moments before. The intense ideological clashes of the 1960s, centred on communism and civil rights and Vietnam, were marked by a series of assassinations that changed the course of American history, carried out against a backdrop of urban riots and self-immolating war protesters.

During the culture wars of the 1990s, fought over issues such as gun rights and abortion, right-wing extremists killed 168 people in Oklahoma City, terrorised hundreds in an Atlanta park and at abortion clinics in the South.

What's different about this moment is the emergence of a political culture - on blogs and Twitter and cable TV - that so loudly reinforces the dark visions of political extremists, often for profit or political gain.

It wasn't clear whether the alleged shooter in Tucson was motivated by any political philosophy, or by voices in his head, or perhaps by both. But it's hard not to think he was at least partly influenced by a debate that seems to conflate philosophical disagreement with a political Armageddon.

The problem here doesn't lie with activists like most of those who populate the Tea parties, ordinary citizens in conversation about the country's direction. Rather, the problem seems to rest with political leaders who pander to the margins of the margins, employing whatever words seem likely to win contributions or TV time, with little regard for the consequences.

Consider the comments of Sharron Angle, the Tea Party favourite who ran for the Senate in Nevada last year. She talked about ''domestic enemies'' in the Congress and said, ''I hope we're not getting to second amendment remedies'' (a reference to the constitutional right to bear arms).

Then there's Rick Barber, a Republican loser in an Alabama congressional race, but not before airing an ad in which someone dressed as George Washington listens to an attack on the Obama agenda and proclaims, ''Gather your armies''.

In fact, much of the message among Republicans last year, as they sought to exploit the Tea Party phenomenon, centred on this imagery of armed revolution. It's not that such leaders are trying to incite violence or hysteria; in fact, they're not. It's more that they are so caught up in a culture of hyperbole, so amused with their own verbal flourishes, that - like the bloggers and TV hosts to whom they cater - they seem to lose their hold on the power of words.

Contrast that with one of John McCain's finer moments as a candidate in 2008, when a woman at a Minnesota meeting asserted that Barack Obama was a closeted Arab. ''No, ma'am, he's not,'' Senator McCain quickly replied, taking back the microphone. ''He's a decent family man, citizen, that I just happen to have disagreements with.''

The pressing question is where this all ends - whether we re-evaluate the piercing pitch of our political debate or whether we are hurtling unstoppably into a frightening period more like the late 1960s.

Tucson will either be the tragedy that brought us back from the brink, or the first in a series of gruesome memories to come.

NEW YORK TIMES

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This crystallizes the dichotomy and hypocracy of the Left, brilliantly.

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Why does a big, ineffectual government set a violent and dangerous tone. I don't see the link. Surely, if the government is big and ineffective, its big and ineffective. It's people who find that an affront akin to having Pol Pot as a leader that set the violent and dangerous tone by calling for armed revolution and resistance simply because they find themselves on the other side of political fence from that which was making policy.

I've posted with Americans on several different boards now for the past 7 or so years. The hard line rhetoric has come almost exclusively from the right, the far right as I see it, at least where I have posted. The kind of views that initially supported wars of venegence on Iraq and Afghanistan for 9/11, who supported torture, indefinite incarceration, suspension of habeus corpus, who divided the world into us and them, you are with us or against us.

Those same people have called for violence, even on these boards, not because of any of the above....no, all those outrages are fine, what really gets them steamed up is a policy which would provide basic healthcare for the population. Oh yes, that's the kind of moral outrage that would make them march to washington.

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*Why does a big, ineffectual government set a violent and dangerous tone. I don't see the link. Surely, if the government is big and ineffective, its big and ineffective. It's people who find that an affront akin to having Pol Pot as a leader that set the violent and dangerous tone by calling for armed revolution and resistance simply because they find themselves on the other side of political fence from that which was making policy.

I've posted with Americans on several different boards now for the past 7 or so years. The hard line rhetoric has come almost exclusively from the right, the far right as I see it, at least where I have posted. The kind of views that initially supported wars of venegence on Iraq and Afghanistan for 9/11, who supported torture, indefinite incarceration, suspension of habeus corpus, who divided the world into us and them, you are with us or against us.

Those same people have called for violence, even on these boards, not because of any of the above....no, all those outrages are fine, what really gets them steamed up is a policy which would provide basic healthcare for the population. Oh yes, that's the kind of moral outrage that would make them march to washington.

The left, the left feel like the moderates to me, the ones who are trying to keep a sane voice in amongst a roar of insane ones.

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Making a movie about the assassination of George Bush = ART

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she twice voted for more money to the Iraq war

she is in thick with the AIPAC crowd, and is quoted as " Committed to unbreakable U.S.-Israel bond.

supports US policy is Afghanistan and Pakistan

Hell, she has plenty of blood on her hands, and appears deserving of the result.

I'd feel bad about the nine year old, but then again I wonder how many nine year old have been wasted by US drone strikes.

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I get people's right to protest, I really do. It's just that the rhetoric of the right has become more and more laced with violent undertones. And over what? They didn't like democrat policy. Well, I never.

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I wonder if any of those people protested the useless wars that killed thousands of americans and hundreds of thousands of Iraqis and Afghans. Did they protest when Bush sanctioned torture, when the Bush government implemented policies of rendition, indefinite incarceration without trial, when US soldiers carried out sanctioned abuses of prisoners.

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Too bad Loughner wasn't a better shot....

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Yes. Damn right, they're angry. Because when the Gov't isn't listening to the people, and continues to ignore their wishes, folks get angry.

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I am so sorry for asking. I don't know you well enough to know if you are being sarcastic, or if you are serious. I'm just wondering. Thanks.

If someone were to advocate this position seriously, it would imply the "good" thing to do is to kill every legislator who voted the same votes to keep the wars going. I can't imagine anyone advocating that seriously.

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Ms. Patricia Maisch was at the event, in the rear of the line, waiting to take a photograph with Congresswoman Giffords when the suspect began shooting. When the suspect tried to load a fresh magazine into his weapon, Ms. Maisch was able to grab the bottom of the magazine and prevent it from being inserted. This pause in shooting allowed for two men, Roger Salzgeber and Bill D. Badger, to tackle the suspect to the ground and restrain him until deputies arrived. An additional male, Joseph Zamudio, also assisted in restraining the suspect’s legs. Initial information reported Ms. Maisch was injured during the event. This information was inaccurate and she did not report having any injuries.

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