GO-Bag and General Carry by Wulfenstar

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg

Well, I am just usually robbing the place, not taking it over...

But really? Am I the only one who carries this heavy?

"Hope is a good thing, maybe the best of things, and no good thing ever dies"

P.S I'm all out of fuken bubblegum.

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Thursday, January 20, 2011 9:46 AM

BYTEMITE

Simmering anger that at any moment could turn into a full on table-throwing rage. Or mad laughter. It varies.

That's usually enough. Though I also have pencils, pens, a set of keys, my boots, my watch, a heavy backpack, matches, several extra layers to mitigate knife wound damage to my legs and torso, and worst of all, a vial of liquid paper. In addition to this, I have a quirky sense of humor and am flat out nuts.

I used to carry a pocket knife, but then I thought I might be giving myself an unfair advantage. I've also considered hair spray, but then I thought, "you can't draw smiley faces on them with hair spray."

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Thursday, January 20, 2011 9:48 AM

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg

lol

Just saying, what with the crazies, the robbers, etc, it seems silly NOT to be prepared.

But ok. Never mind then. Carry on.

"Hope is a good thing, maybe the best of things, and no good thing ever dies"

P.S I'm all out of fuken bubblegum.

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Thursday, January 20, 2011 11:10 AM

THEHAPPYTRADER

I work with children, so I do not carry any guns or any knives. I have a swiss army knife somewhere... I usually look for it before I go camping. I took a martial arts class at the university my final year, and while I have no delusions of that making me an expert fighter (perhaps not even a capable one) if I were in a violent confrontation I think I'd feel more confident with my feet and fist than with a weapon, even if my opponent was armed.

I have my wallet, keys, phone, metronome and tuner on me. Sometimes I place my drum sticks in a back pocket, and/or carry a musical instrument with me.

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Thursday, January 20, 2011 11:50 AM

DREAMTROVE

I have no phone, sometimes I have this iPad. Someday the galaxy if I get it work. I carry no keys, a wallet, sometimes, with a license and card, I look forward to the day when I will need no card or biometric scan, a simple username and password will suffice.

I'm non violent, religious, you know. I don't think of my religious restrictions as restrictions, but rules for a better life. They require me to come up wih other solutions. I have several times found myself cornered by people with loaded guns pointed at me, threatening to kill me. Ive found I've always been able to talk my way out of the situation.

I've used guns in target practice. Years of video games have made me a pretty good shot. I can hit my target about 60% of the time. That's not good enough for me to have survived the number of gun encounters I've had if I had to rely on my marksmanship for survival.

Correction: once I had to run. The woman was a psycho and a sniper, and was trying to shoot anything that moved. Check that, two psycho snipers, but only one actually snot at me, the other I stayed out of range. I also had to run once from a knife fight, the attacker was a sub literate throwback who was convinced he was Satan. I don't mean this in a light gothie wannabe way, I mean in a serious brain damage way, I would like to know some martial arts so i could deal with this sort of situation.

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Thursday, January 20, 2011 12:21 PM

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg

Well, Im fluent in Krav, 52 Blocks (Jailhouse Rock)... but I think its always better to have a gun.

"Hope is a good thing, maybe the best of things, and no good thing ever dies"

P.S I'm all out of fuken bubblegum.

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Thursday, January 20, 2011 1:11 PM

Phone, car and house keys, wallet, lipbalm.

I'm glad I don't live near you.

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Thursday, January 20, 2011 1:24 PM

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg

I actually live in a very nice area now.

Just some.. reactions.. don't go away.

"Hope is a good thing, maybe the best of things, and no good thing ever dies"

P.S I'm all out of fuken bubblegum.

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Thursday, January 20, 2011 1:28 PM

CANTTAKESKY

I carry cash, and one key to my house. Sometimes and a credit card and my passport (for credit card ID) if I am shopping a lot.

I would be a pretty rotten pacifist if I carried weapons. :P

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Thursday, January 20, 2011 1:28 PM

STORYMARK

Wallet, keys, phone. Sometimes a chapstick. Occasionally my iPod. That's about it.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Thursday, January 20, 2011 2:01 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
I actually live in a very nice area now.

Just some.. reactions.. don't go away.

"Hope is a good thing, maybe the best of things, and no good thing ever dies"

P.S I'm all out of fuken bubblegum.

That's why you feel to need to arm yourself to the teeth when you go visit the shopping centre. I guess some old granny might try and pinch your parking spot. Got to prepare yourself for reacting to that kind of tyranny, right?

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Thursday, January 20, 2011 2:54 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
Just wondering what other folks carry on a daily basis.

I usually have on me: 1. Glock G23 (2 extra mags/hollow points) 2. SpyderCo folding knife 3. Zippo 4. Swiss Army knife 5. Cell phone 6. Pocket flashlight 7. Wallet 8. Keys

How about you?

When I carry it is either a Glock 17 and a spare mag or a Springfield stainless GI 1911a1 and 2 spares. Plus a flashlight, multi tool and a Columbia River KISS knife, keys and an iPhone.

Go bag is always in the vehicle along with an inexpensive bolt action rifle and 80 rounds of ammo. Unless I'm traveling behind the lines into NJ, NY and MA. If then I leave the rifle and rely on my Dead On demolition tool.

Kel Tec P-11 rests in my desk at work.

The more I get to know people the more I like my dogs.

...and he that has no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one. Luke 22:36

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Thursday, January 20, 2011 2:59 PM

BYTEMITE

I imagine they don't have this problem in Australia, but thieves often stake out parking lots watching for people who have made expensive and easily pawnable purchases, then follower the buyer out to the next store / their house, and break in to get at the goods when the buyer leaves again. It pays to target richer low-crime areas in this case.

Normally they're not grandmothers.

There are other situations I can think up as well why it's not a BAD idea to be prepared, at least in America. Surely you've noticed Americans seem more crazy, in general, than Australians or the British.

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Thursday, January 20, 2011 3:09 PM

I always knew they shot each other more, but I've only really started to get a handle on the American psyche (and psychos) since I started posting on the Internet.

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Thursday, January 20, 2011 4:51 PM

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/CrazyPrepared

Geeze, lemme put it to you this way, back when I was in high school and they pulled that old "smelled marijuana" crap as an excuse to search a bunch of us...

The sight of me in that office lead to groans of misery, cause the phrase "empty your pockets" was gonna be a half-hour affair with a whole lotta WTF?! involved, to the point where they'd just send me on my merry instead of searching me.

Because of my jobs being generally something riskier than office work, and being a pain the ass to various powers that be, I wear class II-A light armor and my jacket is reinforced with TaserShield and ballistic cloth - although in practice that's more to keep my puny arse warm in the frozen wastes of Michigan than anything else, and off-duty I do carry a piece, sure...

Yet I am ever more likely to use anything in reach unless I feel blasting someone is really warranted, which is a damn rare thing in the real world, don't you know.

Nah, what drives folks nuts is the tools, you see.

Be damned if imma list em all, but some of the more useful and pocketable ones....

Supermag firestarter.
http://www.rockcreek.com/camping-essentials/magnesium-firestarter/?ref
=a_cjfeed

The now-infamous "Bone Wrench".
http://www.amazon.com/Thorsen-Tools-Dog-Bone-Wrench/dp/B001O3E7UG

The Victorinox Swiss-X.
http://www.amazon.com/Victorinox-SwissTool-X-Pouch-53936/dp/B00004YVB1
/ref=pd_cp_hi_2

Spark Plug Gapper.
http://www.amazon.com/Lisle-67870-Spark-Plug-Gauge/dp/B0002STS2Q

LifeGear 6-in-1 with Cell Phone Charger.
http://www.amazon.com/Life-Gear-PSD6in1DC-Personal-Safety/dp/B0015H0P5
M

I could go on, but you get the idea, even though none of it bulks that much, I really am kind of a mobile repair shop on legs, and most of my on-board kit is decided to repairing YOUR on-board or other kit, up to and including a pistol cleaning kit which bulks no more than a magic marker.

Like Burt Gummer, only with tools.

Quote:
Jodi: Uh, but do we have a lighter?
Jack: Burt does.
Burt: How do you know?
Jack: Well, 'cause you're... Burt.
......
Burt: *presenting lighter* Damn right I am.

-Frem

I do not serve the Blind God.

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Thursday, January 20, 2011 4:55 PM

ANTHONYT

Freedom is Important because People are Important

Hello,

"Correction: once I had to run. The woman was a psycho and a sniper, and was trying to shoot anything that moved. Check that, two psycho snipers, but only one actually snot at me, the other I stayed out of range."

This... begs for a larger story.

"I've only really started to get a handle on the American psyche (and psychos) since I started posting on the Internet."

Most people are quite normal and sane, even in America. I think there may be a certain cultural pride in being perceived as formidable, dangerous people. However, I also think the average person here is much like the average person anywhere. The cultural mythology may be different in other countries, but mythologies are mythologies. I'm sure the Australians like to be known for something. I'm not sure what, because Crocodile Dundee and Crocodile Hunter is nearly my entire exposure to Australia. Crazy wilderness adventuring?

"How about you?"

I usually don't carry. I have a three-foot chain upon which my keys are fastened, but that is not for the purpose of defense. Rather, it ensures I don't lose my keys. I have a mini-swiss army knife, but that is for cutting the many miscelaneous things one encounters in urban life, from clothing threads to retail packaging.

When I do carry for personal protection (on the rare instances I feel the need), it is either a .22 single-action bird's head grip revolver from Heritage Manufacturing or a .380 Makarov. This, kept in a belt pouch called a- (I wonder if Kane will chime in here) Fast Action Gun bag. It has pockets for wallet, money, etc. It also unzips to reveal the weapon.

For neighborhood watch, I carry a large maglight and a mace-dispenser. I do not like the idea of carrying a firearm when I am patrolling, and I'd have trouble articulating to you why that is.

The only other weapon I ever carry is a .357 single-action revolver, when I go shooting in the desert. My long-arms are stowed in a storage case until needed for practice, and so I don't think they qualify as 'carrying.'

--Anthony

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Thursday, January 20, 2011 5:11 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:

That's why you feel to need to arm yourself to the teeth when you go visit the shopping centre. I guess some old granny might try and pinch your parking spot. Got to prepare yourself for reacting to that kind of tyranny, right?

1) Criminals refuse to make appointments.

2) Cops are too heavy to carry.

How many observation cameras do you have near you? I bet there are plenty. But crime hasn't been curtailed at all, has it? All they do is help the police identify the corpses after the crime is over.

Fortunately I live in a state that has affirmative self defense.

The more I get to know people the more I like my dogs.

...and he that has no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one. Luke 22:36

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Thursday, January 20, 2011 5:20 PM

DREAMTROVE

Magon

This forum is not a representative sample. Firefly is a gunslinger show, among other things. You get a much more gun weilding fanbase than the general population.

My encounters with guns not mine were often as not outside of America. I live in redneckistan. I rarely see guns here. No one here "carries" except cops.

We have hunters, and you hear gunshots that time of year, hunting season. I think of this as American idiocy, a lot of these hunters, the majority actually, come up from the city. Every year there's an accident, and someone gets shot. But honestly, the most deadly thing around here is the roads. Cars, but more than that, trucks, if you're looking for violent death.

Pollution kills between 10 to 100 times as much as everything else combined. That's the true American idiocy, but it's slow and invisible. There's basically a few types of chemical contamination: Water, probably the most deadly, food, second, is laced with all sorts of stuff, and then there's hospital contamination, particular in vaccines, which is why you here so much about it, it's not a statistically insignificant killer. Air pollution is pretty low on the killer list, outside of smokers, but it's increasing.

Australia is looking better every day.

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Thursday, January 20, 2011 5:22 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Fremdfirma:

Supermag firestarter.
http://www.rockcreek.com/camping-essentials/magnesium-firestarter/?ref
=a_cjfeed

The now-infamous "Bone Wrench".
http://www.amazon.com/Thorsen-Tools-Dog-Bone-Wrench/dp/B001O3E7UG

The Victorinox Swiss-X.
http://www.amazon.com/Victorinox-SwissTool-X-Pouch-53936/dp/B00004YVB1
/ref=pd_cp_hi_2

Spark Plug Gapper.
http://www.amazon.com/Lisle-67870-Spark-Plug-Gauge/dp/B0002STS2Q

LifeGear 6-in-1 with Cell Phone Charger.
http://www.amazon.com/Life-Gear-PSD6in1DC-Personal-Safety/dp/B0015H0P5
M

I have a firestarter as well as a swedish spark striker in my go bag. The bone wrench looks interesting, but I keep a cheap nut driver with a selection of bits. Might have to look at one of those wrenches though. I use the SOG multitool. It also has a 1/4 drive head, so the bits in the kit serve double duty. But that life gear unit, just got added to the "must have" list.

The more I get to know people the more I like my dogs.

...and he that has no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one. Luke 22:36

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Thursday, January 20, 2011 6:36 PM

THEHAPPYSOCKPUPPET

Quote:
Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:
I always knew they shot each other more, but I've only really started to get a handle on the American psyche (and psychos) since I started posting on the Internet.

You're just jealous 'cause our cowboys are cooler than yours

Don't Australian's have to ride crocodiles or kangaroos or something. Do you store your knives in the kangaroo's pouch or would that cut it open?

It's kinda like England was 'mom' and Australia's just jealous their popular sibling, the United States, seems to get more attention from momma and rest of the world than they do.

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Thursday, January 20, 2011 7:46 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

PERSONALLY carry? Or in the car?

I 'carry' first aid, survival supplies, transportation (bicycle) and emergency equipment in the car as the best place to 'carry' survival gear, as I will generally be near my car in the event of a storm, earthquake, wildfire etc.

Otherwise cell phone, keys, medication, ID, as I never know when I will need to travel and this keeps from from having to pack a bag. Also, generally being alert. I tend to notice if a car is following mine, even if it's a coincidence. And a decision I made years ago to GET INVOLVED without having to think about should-I shouldn't-I ....

I'm prepared, just not paranoid.

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Thursday, January 20, 2011 9:03 PM

Hoo boy, that commentary of mine inspired a friend to send me a pic of Nitori Kawashiro, apparently a character from the Touhou series of games, who seems to be a not-people-person river spirit who's also something of a mad engineer, of course no description really does it justice, so here's the picture instead, which really does say it all...

Heh heh.

-F

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Friday, January 21, 2011 2:13 AM

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg

"That's why you feel to need to arm yourself to the teeth when you go visit the shopping centre. I guess some old granny might try and pinch your parking spot. Got to prepare yourself for reacting to that kind of tyranny, right?"

Its this kind of comment that is just....wrong? crazy?

You DO realize that the insane man who shot Gilford did so in the parking lot of a shopping center, right?

That violent crime can happen anywhere?

So why not be prepared for it as best as you can?

To quote: "Better to have it and not need it than to need it and not have it."

What I don't get in the whole anti-gun, gun-control mentality is this...

If the gun rights people have their way, you are STILL ABLE to NOT be armed.

But if the gun control crowd have their way, I am not allowed to carry to defend myself/family etc.

Gun rights still allow you to choose, gun control takes a very basic choice (of self-defense) away. Not to mention, gun control has NEVER worked, and has usually led to government abuse.

Plus I doubt criminals really care about the law. And would just find better ways to hide them.

So is the gun control mentality just an attempt for some people to pretend that they are safe?

"Hope is a good thing, maybe the best of things, and no good thing ever dies"

P.S I'm all out of fuken bubblegum.

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Friday, January 21, 2011 2:40 AM

You and I see things differently. I know that is hard for you to understand.

The way I see it, the only reasons someone would carry a glock

- crime is really terribly out of control, where you live is like a warzone
- you are paranoid about crime being out of control, you watch too many crime shows on tv, you watch rubbish news which plays up all the threats of crime and you sincerely, but mistakenly believe your life is on the line everytime you leave the house
- you like to think of yourself as a big, tough man who carries an automatic weapon because that is how you make yourself important

I'm sure there are some places in the world where things are that bad that you would have to carry a weapon for protection. I'm glad I don't live in one of those places, and if it looked like going that way,I'd rather look at why such terrible crime existed, and what could be done to make it better, rather than have an armed civilian population.

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Friday, January 21, 2011 3:02 AM

DREAMTROVE

Magon

You left one out

- you want to commit a crime.

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Friday, January 21, 2011 3:26 AM

HERO

Quote:
Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
How about you?

Keys, cellphone, wallet, badge. Don't usually carry my gun, although we had a crazy guy last year and we all carried till he was locked up (S&W .357 Magnum revolver that was my Dad's service pistol when he was a Deputy).

I also have lots of baggage...

H

"Hero. I have come to respect you." "I am forced to agree with Hero here."- Chrisisall, 2009.
"I would rather not ignore your contributions." Niki2, 2010.

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Friday, January 21, 2011 3:37 AM

JONGSSTRAW

I carry nothing on me except wallet and keys. I do keep a "survival" kit in the car which includes the two most vital things needed in case of a catastrophe....pop tarts and toilet paper.

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Friday, January 21, 2011 3:59 AM

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg

I had written this calm and reasonable response to Magons, but it got lost in the ether when I hit "post".

Oh well.

I'll sum it up.

1. Gun owners and those that carry, are generally more polite and non-aggressive than others. (Except for cops.. whom are a really bad example and probably all you've known.) Why? You have to be.

You can't get into an argument, and pull your gun. Thats assault.

You can't get into a physical altercation, because you might end up losing your gun, and having it turned on you.

If you pull your gun, it is now a matter of life and death, so it must always be a last resort.

Carrying a weapon is a huge responsibility. You mean to protect yourself, friends, family, property and neighbors. But you also have to be the kindest, most polite, sober person on the planet.

If you are going to insult others, at least have the common decency to know what you are talking about.

"you like to think of yourself as a big, tough man who carries an automatic weapon because that is how you make yourself important"

Its a semi-automatic. Automatic weapons are illegal.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semi-automatic_firearm

"Hope is a good thing, maybe the best of things, and no good thing ever dies"

P.S I'm all out of fuken bubblegum.

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Friday, January 21, 2011 4:32 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Fremdfirma:

The 10,000 pound ruck. I HATE those.

The more I get to know people the more I like my dogs.

...and he that has no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one. Luke 22:36

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Friday, January 21, 2011 4:52 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:
You and I see things differently. I know that is hard for you to understand.

Pot, kettle. Kettle, pot.

Quote:

The way I see it, the only reasons someone would carry a glock

- crime is really terribly out of control, where you live is like a warzone

12 Americans are killed every day in crimes committed by illegal aliens. Does this count?
http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=39031

Quote:

- you are paranoid about crime being out of control, you watch too many crime shows on tv, you watch rubbish news which plays up all the threats of crime and you sincerely, but mistakenly believe your life is on the line everytime you leave the house

Ever been a victim of crime? I've been carjacked. Does that make me "paranoid" or once burned, twice shy?

Quote:

- you like to think of yourself as a big, tough man who carries an automatic weapon because that is how you make yourself important

Actually, I'm a fat old man who has had his share of scuffling on the ground with someone, doesn't want any more holes poked in my precious anatomy and is impatient with idiots who want what does not belong to them.

And as stated, SEMI-automatic. Or would it be all okay with you if I carried a revolver?

Quote:

I'm sure there are some places in the world where things are that bad that you would have to carry a weapon for protection. I'm glad I don't live in one of those places, and if it looked like going that way,I'd rather look at why such terrible crime existed, and what could be done to make it better, rather than have an armed civilian population.

I really hope that someday you wake up to the realities of the world. But even then, most people are not fit to carry a weapon. I don't know what camp you belong in, the hoplophobes or citizens. Citizens believe that they have rights that cannot be taken from them by any government. That's what the US Bill of Rights is all about. Hoplophobes cannot distinguish between A)An armed citizen and a criminal. The mere presence of a weapon makes them uneasy, even on a police officer. B)The use of a tool to commit a crime and the crime being committed by the tool.

A carry piece is a weapon of convenience. If I know that someone is going to be trying to mug me on July 21st at 7:30pm, I am NOT going to show up with a pistol. I'm bringing a longarm and I'm also bringing friends, with their longarms.

The more I get to know people the more I like my dogs.

...and he that has no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one. Luke 22:36

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Friday, January 21, 2011 4:58 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by dreamtrove:
Magon

You left one out

- you want to commit a crime.

Hoplophobia at its finest.

The more I get to know people the more I like my dogs.

...and he that has no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one. Luke 22:36

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Friday, January 21, 2011 5:01 AM

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg

Hoplophobe:

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=hoplophobe

:)

"An irrational fear of weapons, generally guns, usually occuring as a result of a liberal upbringing or the fact that the person is just a wimp in general. Rather than deal with the fear said hoplophobe will assign human characteristics to a weapon ie "guns are evil" or "guns kill" to justify the fear rather than deal with the core problem of being a sissy.

----Due to his aversion to weapons, all the the police could do for young Seth (the hoplophobe) was chalk his cold dead body out on the floor as he had no defense for the thug that broke into his one bedroom apartment in San Fran. The police noted the irony in the fact that the killer had scored three hits in the "O" portion of Seth's OBAMA 08 T-shirt."

"Hope is a good thing, maybe the best of things, and no good thing ever dies"

P.S I'm all out of fuken bubblegum.

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Friday, January 21, 2011 5:13 AM

ANTHONYT

Freedom is Important because People are Important

Hello Magons,

I am glad you feel comfortable in your lifestyle and environment. I am sorry some feel the need to denigrate it. I also dream of a world where no one ever feels the need to carry a firearm for defense. I think we should work towards that world, however we choose to equip ourselves in the interim.

I also look forward to a world where no one feels the need to lock their doors. It's the same principle. There was such a world, once, in some places on Earth. I hear the legends. Perhaps we can rediscover it together.

--Anthony

Assured by friends that the signal-to-noise ratio has improved on this forum, I have disabled web filtering.

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Friday, January 21, 2011 5:18 AM

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg

Also..

Its kind of funny how its the places that severely curb gun-rights that often have the most violent crime...

Hmmmm. I wonder why?

"Hope is a good thing, maybe the best of things, and no good thing ever dies"

P.S I'm all out of fuken bubblegum.

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Friday, January 21, 2011 5:53 AM

CUDA77

Like woman, I am a mystery.

Cell phone, keys, money clip, iPod and occasionally a pack of gum. If taking public transit I'll have some quarters on me but otherwise that's all I need.

Socialist and unashamed about it.

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Friday, January 21, 2011 6:03 AM

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg

Anthony I think everyone wants to live in a world where guns are not needed, but easily available if they are.

Thats the compromise.

"Hope is a good thing, maybe the best of things, and no good thing ever dies"

P.S I'm all out of fuken bubblegum.

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Friday, January 21, 2011 7:42 AM

CANTTAKESKY

Quote:
Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
Its kind of funny how its the places that severely curb gun-rights that often have the most violent crime...

What places are you thinking of, for example?

Can't Take (my gorram) Sky
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Friday, January 21, 2011 8:01 AM

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg

DC, Baltimore, NJ, Detroit, Chicago, LA.....

"Hope is a good thing, maybe the best of things, and no good thing ever dies"

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Friday, January 21, 2011 11:00 AM

LMAO Hardware - just imagine lugging the standard 80-pounder, AND an M60A1 crew served with an AA barrel on it at port arms with the loading pan hooked in your web gear to hold it up, and a full box of ammo attached to the back of said web gear along with six 40MM grenades on the front for your loaders M-79...

And being all of 5'6" and maybe 130 some lbs, soakin wet, with boots on.

I did this for a multitude of reasons, primarily cause nutters get a free pass on paperwork, which I hated worse than lugging all that, but also cause third-rate expendable supply units are the second to hit the ground in a conflict, and the only reliable anti-armor we had which might do for a cold-war BMP, was the half-belt of AP ammo at the bottom of that can - but also cause the M16 of the time would not fire reliably no matter what, and the M60A1 had NO problem with going bang when you pulled the trigger... getting it to STOP however (aka Run-away-fire), was another matter entire.

Of course, I am sidewalking the argument as a whole cause it amounts to Anarchist argument tactics anyways...

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Pots: KETTLES MUST DIE, YEEARGGHH!

Kettles: POTS MUST DIE, YEEARGGH!

Anarchists: Ok, anyone bring popcorn ?

Cause that's kinda how it goes sometimes, and all one can do is watch, really.

We *did* have a bit of fun with badly worded open-carry laws in a suburb of Houston for a while, where it became a game to go grocery shopping while strapped with the most esoteric, archaic, bizzare collection of hardware you could possibly adorn yourself with, which for me at the time included a cavalry sword, and I think I might still have that three-headed flail around here somewhere...
Although it was damn funny when some hoodlum asked me what I would *DO* if he pulled a gun, and I just smiled as Mella put her double-barrell sawed off gently against his spine.

ProTip: The girl standing off to one side of me, doesn't matter what she looks like, she's there for muscle, everyone knows this, locally, leading to the endless amusement of the 4' 10" 90lb Wendy, who does the whole mafia torpedo thing for laughs... especially since it actually *works* after what she did to those creeps who tried to crash her place, oh man.
Actually the one to look out for is Sarah, who started carrying a zapgun so potent it comes with a warning that using it constitutes lethal force after the college cops turned out to be useless, and you do NOT want her behind you with that thing.

Anyhow, to get back on topic - here's part of WHY for them that might take a reasonable argument.

Detroit women get no help in arrest of alleged car thief
http://www.detnews.com/article/20110121/METRO01/101210376/Detroit-wome
n-get-no-help-in-arrest-of-alleged-car-thief

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An alleged car thief got more than he bargained for when three women yanked him out of the vehicle he was trying to steal, held him down and made a citizen's arrest.

But when the women repeatedly called Detroit Police, they said nobody responded, so they decided to walk the man to the nearby Central District police station. On the way, they said they encountered a Detroit police officer — who they claim refused to take the man into custody.

When your so-called protectors will not protect you, and instead prey on you as badly or worse as the bad actors in your society, who then does your defense fall to BUT you ?

Although I am right pissed cause while EMT and Fire Services cannot even respond effectively due to police sucking up all the budget money, it gets pissed away on shit like THIS

DPS unveils $5.6M police center
http://www.detnews.com/article/20110121/SCHOOLS/101210370/1409/DPS-unv
eils-$5.6M-police-center

And yes, I call bullshit, on the notion that this draconian concept has any bloody thing to do with public safety, in fact, would ANYONE, ANYONE AT ALL, care to take bets with me on how long before this is abused as a peepshow or a harrassment tactic against students who aren't servile enough, hmmm ?
Especially considering *just how often* I've called it so in advance ?
(Lower Merion, for example)
So... any takers, hmmm ?

And of course, what they'll do to kids, you let it slide, soon enough, they'll do TO YOU.

D.C. expanding public surveillance camera net
http://washingtonexaminer.com/local/dc/2011/01/dc-expanding-its-public
-surveillance-camera-network

Of course, now they're pissed that we turned that surveillence back upon them, and wanna outlaw recording of THEM while mandating recording of US - funny how that works, innit ?

I think, Magons - that the critical difference here is that you think you can trust your protectors, and given you live there and that is your choice, imma hafta give you benefit of the doubt in order to not be unreasonable...

But here, we *KNOW* we cannot trust ours, that they are merely officially sanctioned predators, and thus tend to not rely on them, which leaves it in our hands - although as always I will say that effective self-defense is far, far more than merely packing hardware, allies and quick thinking can often do more for you than a weapon can.

HOWEVER, like a spare tire, a fire extinguisher, a medkit - you don't carry it in hopes of using it, in fact the whole idea is not to, but IF YOU SHOULD NEED IT, ever, and that is a statistical chance over a lifetime which is pretty high, especially in america - then you need it right then, right there, and nothing less awful will do.

Excerpt From: WHO IS THE SERIOUS, VIOLENT, HABITUAL OFFENDER?
http://www.vachss.com/av_dispatches/lifestyle.html

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The second characteristic is lack of perception of the future. He has none. If you ask a kid like this, "What are you going to be doing next year?" you will get an absolutely blank stare. Not because he's stupid, but because he simply cannot conceptualize such a distance from right now. If you want to speak with this kid, you have to speak within his time frame, and that time frame isn't ever more than a few hours from the present.

Now, considering the ineffectiveness of our so-called protectors, and the ridiculously corrupt and overburdened justice system here - you really think THIS indidivual would be deterred by anything LESS than imminent threat of harm or death ?

What REALLY pisses me off about this speech, though ?

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This kid does not relate behavior to consequences. He does not see a causal connection between his acts and a response. What do I mean? To this kid, life is a lottery. Everyone rolls the dice, but not everyone pays the price. He has no perception as to how the dice will come up. In his world, everyone commits crimes. Everybody. Some smaller percentage of that number are arrested. A still smaller percentage go to court; an even smaller percentage go to trial. A smaller percentage still are actually found guilty (or "adjudicated delinquent" if you prefer), and a smaller percentage of that group are committed to a youth authority. Lastly, an even smaller percentage are actually incarcerated.

This is stated as if it were a misperception, as if it were NOT the actual, flat out truth.
And when kids point out these truths to us, that we blind ourselves to, we call it "a distorted worldview" and consider them pyschologically defective, merely because they haven't conditioned themselves to the lies which hold up our society...

And so long as stuff like that is true, american society ain't gonna get no better, we'll still be manufacturing dangerous nutters, and we will still *NEED* firearms to defend ourselves against them - especially when we keep electing the fuckers to public office!

So it's a deeper and more complex cultural thing than even most gun-rights folk ever wanna get into, but at the very end of it, the very bottom of the argument, I offer this.

If you cannot trust me to defend myself - what must you think of me as a human being ?

-Frem

I do not serve the Blind God.

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Friday, January 21, 2011 11:06 AM

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg

I would add to Frems rant..

Even if you could trust in good cops, they are kind of heavy, and hard to keep chained in a basement.

"Hope is a good thing, maybe the best of things, and no good thing ever dies"

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Friday, January 21, 2011 11:14 AM

Actually most of my local ones ain't, nor are they roid-boys, since our efforts to rein them in and make them behave have not only been effective, but replacing them with contract security has had mutual benefit and inspired them to compete to remain relevant - as well as allocate themselves to the situation where you really *NEED* someone with law enforcement powers on the spot, versus a few quiet words or implied threats to resolve a problem.

Many of the "issues" around here, bothering with an actual police response is like swatting flies with a lincoln town car.

That said, there's an ongoing antagonism between me and them cause sterotypes be damned, I *DO* like my fuckin donuts, and for them to be police and not partake... it's, it's.. BLASPHEMY, it's HERESY, unacceptable!
Ok, I kid, I kid... but I *do* mercilessly screw with them about it.

To which, for your amusement, you GOT to hand it to the Clare Michigan Police Dept, they *bought* the freakin donut shop, and now operate it.
http://www.copsdoughnuts.com/
The available apparel is a nice touch, I actually have one of the "Don't glaze me, bro" T-shirts, hehehe.

-Frem

I do not serve the Blind God.

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Friday, January 21, 2011 11:23 AM

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Originally posted by Hardware:

12 Americans are killed every day in crimes committed by illegal aliens. Does this count?
http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=39031

So what you are saying is that it would be better to be killed by an American citizen?

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Ever been a victim of crime? I've been carjacked. Does that make me "paranoid" or once burned, twice shy?

Somewhere where there is regaular carjacking would fit my definition of crime being terribly out of control. I can think of some parts of the world where I would seriously think of taking a weapon if I had to go there - Johanasburg is one of them - notorious for carjacking and murder and rape is kind of a hobby for some.

And in answer to your question, yes I have been a victim of crime. I've been burgarled (3 X)

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Actually, I'm a fat old man who has had his share of scuffling on the ground with someone, doesn't want any more holes poked in my precious anatomy and is impatient with idiots who want what does not belong to them.

You see that's where I lose sympathy a bit with some of the gun carrying stuff. If you are doing it to protect your life because you live in the war zone, fair enough. If you are doing it because someone might nick your wallet, hmmm. Another solution is not to carry anything valuable with you. I walk around with $50 cash max. Anybody wants to mug me, they can have my wallet. I'd rather hand it over and cancel my credit cards than get into a deadly gun fight.

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And as stated, SEMI-automatic. Or would it be all okay with you if I carried a revolver?
I'm not comfortable with people carrying guns at all, but if I visit your neck of the woods, I'll psyche myself up to it.

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Friday, January 21, 2011 11:26 AM

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Originally posted by dreamtrove:
Magon

You left one out

- you want to commit a crime.

haha, thanks for reminding me.

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Friday, January 21, 2011 11:57 AM

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg

"I'm not comfortable with people carrying guns at all, but if I visit your neck of the woods, I'll psyche myself up to it."

Magons,

Im not comfortable with people telling me that I should forfeit my families safety on the whims of spoiled, over-privaledged, bitches and assholes living behind guilded walls.

Fuck that. Like I should EVER sacrifice the safety of me and mine so some spoiled people can feel "more comfortable"?

Never in this life.

"Hope is a good thing, maybe the best of things, and no good thing ever dies"

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Friday, January 21, 2011 12:07 PM

THEHAPPYTRADER

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If you are doing it because someone might nick your wallet, hmmm. Another solution is not to carry anything valuable with you. I walk around with $50 cash max. Anybody wants to mug me, they can have my wallet. I'd rather hand it over and cancel my credit cards than get into a deadly gun fight.

I'm with ya there, possibly the only place I agree lol. The loss of property is not worth the loss of life, anyone's. But, what if your mugger was also a rapist?

I'm not saying the gun will actually do any good, just that people, women especially, should have the right to arm and defend themselves. My personal opinion is that we'd be better off learning to defend ourselves with some form of martial arts. Less lethal, and in close quarters probably more effective.

IMO the right the bear arms is worth the price of some folks misusing and abusing them. That may sound cruel to some people, but it's not as if I don't consider people's lives important. I respect their lives and right to make their own choices.

EDIT: I've been mugged once, shortly after I left the small town I grew up in for a bigger (though not exactly big) city for college. I actually had no money on me, it was just frightening. It didn't inspire me to buy a knife or a gun, but it did inspire me to take up some martial arts training when my college schedule finally allowed for it.

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Friday, January 21, 2011 12:12 PM