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No bagels are safe tonight......OLBERMANN resigns!

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UPDATED: Monday, January 24, 2011 20:30
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Friday, January 21, 2011 4:57 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Keith Olbermann Out at MSNBC; Lawrence O'Donnell Takes Over Timeslot

Olbermann was conspicuously absent at NBC News lunch for advertisers yesterday.
MSNBC's Keith Olbermann has resigned, he announced on-air Friday.

"MSNBC and Keith Olbermann have ended their contract," reads a statement. "The last broadcast of Countdown with Keith Olbermann will be this evening. MSNBC thanks Keith for his integral role in MSNBC's success and we wish him well in his future endeavors."

Following his abrupt departure Friday, the cable news channel issued the following statement:
"Starting Monday, January 24, “The Last Word with Lawrence O’Donnell will move to 8 p.m. ET/PT and The Ed Show, hosted by Ed Schultz, will move to 10 p.m. ET/PT on MSNBC. The announcement was made today by Phil Griffin, President of MSNBC. The Rachel Maddow Show will continue to air live at 9 p.m. ET/PT.

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/keith-olbermann-msnbc-lawrence-o
donnell-74531



" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Friday, January 21, 2011 7:48 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


bump


Because it's just so damn righteous !


1 down, 2 to go.


" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Friday, January 21, 2011 8:10 PM

LILI

Doing it backwards. Walking up the downslide.


Quote:

SACKED!

You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.


HRWATPWRTCITG

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Friday, January 21, 2011 8:35 PM

BYTEMITE


It involves tackling someone when they don't expect it, hard, then doing the triumph dance over their prone and very confused body.

My favourite place to sack people is at the bus stop.

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/CompletelyMissingThePoint

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Friday, January 21, 2011 9:05 PM

PIRATENEWS

John Lee, conspiracy therapist at Hollywood award-winner History Channel-mocked SNL-spoofed PirateNew.org wooHOO!!!!!!


Rachael Mancow is next!

Did Comcast buy out General Electric? Comcast banned all MSNBC shows in Knoxville TN...

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Saturday, January 22, 2011 2:07 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


"SACKED" is an odd word choice, especially if you think he was replaced for being too much a lefty. Lawrence O'Donnell, who is taking over his primetime slot, is actually a confirmed, committed Socialist, and admits as much on his show.

This Space For Rent!

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Saturday, January 22, 2011 2:08 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by piratenews:
Rachael Mancow is next!

Did Comcast buy out General Electric? Comcast banned all MSNBC shows in Knoxville TN...




Sounds like you're a big fan of Comcast then.

This Space For Rent!

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Saturday, January 22, 2011 3:07 AM

WHOZIT


Isn't it a wonderful day

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Saturday, January 22, 2011 3:45 AM

WHOZIT


No announcement? No cake and big star studded send off? I guess we'll learn the details in due time? He still had 2 years left on his contract.

Isn't it a wonderful day

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Saturday, January 22, 2011 4:23 AM

JONGSSTRAW


O'Donnell is a bigger left wing nut case than Olbermann, and he is nastier and ruder to boot. At least Olbermann had a sense of humor and some charm about him as he spun his lies and distortions every night. Now he can blame his job loss on George Bush and be happy.






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Saturday, January 22, 2011 6:06 AM

WULFENSTAR

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg


I hope Maddow is next.

The problem is they are still there, (like Books hair) waiting.

"Hope is a good thing, maybe the best of things, and no good thing ever dies"



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Saturday, January 22, 2011 6:07 AM

KANEMAN


At least he read the libs a story before he was sacked.



http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110122/ap_on_en_tv/us_tv_olbermann

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Saturday, January 22, 2011 9:02 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
I hope Maddow is next.

The problem is they are still there, (like Books hair) waiting.





So what is it you hate most about Maddow? Her honesty, or her dissent? Or is it just that she's got "the gay"?

This Space For Rent!

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Saturday, January 22, 2011 9:33 AM

WHOZIT


Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
Quote:

Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
I hope Maddow is next.

The problem is they are still there, (like Books hair) waiting.





So what is it you hate most about Maddow? Her honesty, or her dissent? Or is it just that she's got "the gay"?

This Space For Rent!

OMG! Stop it both of you! Olbermann is not worth it! He didn't leave cause he's a lib, we'll learn the truth soon.......and he's stupid.

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Saturday, January 22, 2011 12:20 PM

WULFENSTAR

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg


"So what is it you hate most about Maddow? Her honesty, or her dissent? Or is it just that she's got "the gay"? "


BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!





"Hope is a good thing, maybe the best of things, and no good thing ever dies"



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Saturday, January 22, 2011 12:21 PM

LILI

Doing it backwards. Walking up the downslide.


Quote:

Originally posted by Bytemite:
It involves tackling someone when they don't expect it, hard, then doing the triumph dance over their prone and very confused body.

My favourite place to sack people is at the bus stop.

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/CompletelyMissingThePoint


Brilliant. I loled.


Facts are stubborn things.

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Saturday, January 22, 2011 1:35 PM

PIRATENEWS

John Lee, conspiracy therapist at Hollywood award-winner History Channel-mocked SNL-spoofed PirateNew.org wooHOO!!!!!!


Jew Joe Lieberman Used His White House Connections to Get Keith Olbermann Fired

Quote:

“In one of them, he said, “don’t let the delusional liar door hit you in the delusional liar butt on the way out.” In another, he said, “goodbye, Joe Lieberman, and good riddance.” And in still another, he accused Lieberman of “lying even on the way out the door.”
-Huffington Post



The liberal blog-o-sphere is a buzz this morning and it appears the spin is to blame it all on the Comcast merger. No one is talking about what Keith O said about Lyin Joe less than 24 hours before he got sacked. “don’t let the delusional liar door hit you in the delusional liar butt on the way out. Goodbye, Joe Lieberman, and good riddance.” he accused Lieberman of “lying even on the way out the door.”

If Lyin Joe got Olbermann fired, he did it through his White House connections… which means… Obama did it. And THAT is why you won’t hear a peep about this connection from the fake “progressive” left.

Olbermann brought up MSNBC from the doldrums and his fan base is extremely loyal. This is going to hurt MSNBC’s ratings which will hurt Comcast’s new investment. If anything, Comcast is pissed off right now. They paid for a #2 news network and right before they took ownership, someone at that network canned their star anchor. There are 6 thousand comments on the MSNBC article about this and it’s just 6:25am the morning after. The majority of those comments are similar to this one.

“A huge mistake for MSNBC to lose Keith. I am finished with their shenanigans. I will follow Keith wherever he goes.” ex-MSNBC viewer.

If anyone tries to tell you this was done by Comcast, don’t buy it. That’s just PR guys trying to fix the story. This is all about Lyin Joe Lieberman throwing a hissy-fit and GE’s CEO taking a new job at the White House.

It wouldn’t be the first time the White House got MSNBC’s star personality fired… Phil Donahue?

Quote:

“Mr. Olbermann had signed a four-year contract extension in 2008 for an estimated $30 million. He hosted “Countdown” at 8 p.m. since 2003 and it became the foundation of the channel’s surge to status as the second-ranked news channel on cable television, after Fox News, surpassing the one-time leader CNN.”
-New York Times



In his press conference, Lying Joe praised himself over and over again for all the great things he has done for us. Keith ran with a piece in his show last night picking apart Lieberman’s delusional farewell speech. Lieberman will remain in office for 2 more years so I don’t know why he chose to honor himself with such a melodramatic masturbatory celebration of self, but that’s Lyin Joe for you.

Today, Obama announced General Electric’s CEO will be heading up an important advisory council in the White House. This shit can’t be unrelated. GE owns 87% of MSNBC which means Olbermann’s ex-boss, Jeffrey Immelt, will be the man advising the president on policies that MSNBC will be reporting on. Even after the transition to Comcast slated for the end of this month, GE will still own 49% of NBC Universal which owns MSNBC.

I wonder how tough MSNBC’s journalists will be on Obama’s domestic policies, now that they know their boss (the guy who literally signs their paychecks) is the one who actually wrote those policies.

I hope, in my heart of hearts, that Keith O quit today because he just couldn’t bring himself to work in a situation like that. I really do. I used to like Keith Olbermann. Yeah, he did some things I really didn’t like; he carried water for the Obama regime when he damn sure shouldn’t have. But overall, I think he may have had some integrity at some point. I really hope he quit on his own over this Immelt fiasco. I do.

But something tells me that is just more fantastical thinking on my part. More than likely, a smarmy little weasel, Lyin Joe Lieberman, called up his connections in the White House and got them to pressure Immelt into shit-canning Keith Olbermann because he had the audacity to call out Lyin Joe for his pathetic display of a self-serving good-bye speech. People like Lyin Joe can’t stand it when the entire country is laughing at them.

Because deep down inside, Lyin Joe knows he’s lying and he can’t stand knowing that he isn’t as convincing as he thinks he is.

My guess is, Lyin Joe is leaving the senate so that he can be in some other position like secretary of defense or some other cushy government paycheck. I mean, where else is he going to get a fat paycheck for behaving like a raving fascist? Haiti? They already got Baby Doc. What do they need with Lyin Joe and his peasant girl costume?

If you think MSNBC was the “all Obama” channel before, now that Barack has hired their CEO, you can expect them to turn up the Ministry of Truth act full throttle. No self-respecting journalist should stay at MSNBC. Talent flight should be the next migration pattern over there, that is, if there are any journalists left.

I hope this breaks MSNBC for good. Then all we got to work on is Fox and CNN.

http://willyloman.wordpress.com/2011/01/21/did-liebermann-use-his-whit
e-house-connections-to-get-jeffrey-immelt-to-fire-olbermann
/



Wow. I think I'm gonna miss Olby, just a little bit.

Too bad he didn't find that courage sooner.

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Saturday, January 22, 2011 1:48 PM

JONGSSTRAW


Quote:

I hope Maddow is next. The problem is they are still there

Why is that a problem? I want them there, uncensored, encouraged, and free to do their thing as they have in their own special way for years. With them, at least you know what you're dealing with. There's no professionalism, no ethics, no nuanced subtleties of context or intent; just in your face liberal fanatacism along with obssessive conservative character assassination in its' crudest form. They're the best thing we have, and the worst thing Obama has.








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Saturday, January 22, 2011 4:56 PM

FREMDFIRMA



They told him to lay off, and he told em to go to hell.

Good for him, I only wish Sam Donaldson had made the same decision when his producers ORDERED him to support Bush - instead of doing so and then coming back later with an apology for it.

Yes, Olbermann is a pompous ass, but I respect his principles in this case a great deal, when "The Man" tells you to back off, and you stand and deliver regardless of the cost, that buys cred from me, and lots of it.

-Frem

I do not serve the Blind God.

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Saturday, January 22, 2011 5:03 PM

WHOZIT


Quote:

Originally posted by Fremdfirma:

They told him to lay off, and he told em to go to hell.

Good for him, I only wish Sam Donaldson had made the same decision when his producers ORDERED him to support Bush - instead of doing so and then coming back later with an apology for it.

Yes, Olbermann is a pompous ass, but I respect his principles in this case a great deal, when "The Man" tells you to back off, and you stand and deliver regardless of the cost, that buys cred from me, and lots of it.

-Frem

I do not serve the Blind God.

God, you big brains are so STUPID! It wasn't because he was a lib he left. Soon the truth will be told (it's money) then I will dance.

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Saturday, January 22, 2011 5:34 PM

WHOZIT


Will Olbermann be missed? I'm mean really.

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Saturday, January 22, 2011 6:24 PM

PIRATENEWS

John Lee, conspiracy therapist at Hollywood award-winner History Channel-mocked SNL-spoofed PirateNew.org wooHOO!!!!!!


When are the Libtards gonna wake up that the Juice are their worst enemy too?

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Saturday, January 22, 2011 6:29 PM

THEHAPPYSOCKPUPPET



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Saturday, January 22, 2011 7:00 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

So what is it you hate most about Maddow? Her honesty, or her dissent? Or is it just that she's got "the gay"? "
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Nah, it's just that Wulf is intolerant! Unlike Jonggstraw, who believes in real freedom.

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Sunday, January 23, 2011 3:56 AM

WULFENSTAR

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg


"Nah, it's just that Wulf is intolerant! Unlike Jonggstraw, who believes in real freedom."

Thanks Sig. I was laughing so hard at that one, I have a nose-bleed now. :(


Besides, Jong is sometimes right, just like I am. Just like you are.


So let me admit, I was wrong. Oh yes, the great Wulf was W-R-O-N-G.

Olberaman was NOT fired.

He quit.

And that somehow makes it so much worse/better/funny.

He quit over money, or because he didn't like his bosses. The great shining example of progspeak, the king of that little hill called MSNBC... had a temper tantrum. Had a great little fit, and left.

And while the interwebs are alive with the bemoans and crying-jags and teeth-gnashing of his faithful few followers....

There is me , laughing at it all.

Why? Because it is yet another example of liberals behaving like children.


While gas prices have soared past 3 bucks again (remember all the faux-outrage about this when Bush was in office), and they are using fucking predator drones to spy on us... not to mention trying to curb our free speech and ability to protect ourselves...

While ALL of this is going on,

you care more about some spoiled assclown quitting his job.

I'm not sure at this point if I should continue laughing, or cry.





"Hope is a good thing, maybe the best of things, and no good thing ever dies"



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Sunday, January 23, 2011 4:27 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Wulf, quite honestly one of the peeps who behaves like a child around here is you. A damaged child, a frightened child, but still a child, who has no control whatsoever over his emotions, little insight and apparently little ability to learn or empathize. And that is what we associated with childish behavior, unless you have a better definition.

AFA what YOU think I care about, I have NEVER watched Olbermann and have no particular identification with or loyalty to to him, so you missed the mark wildly. You might want to actually read what I write once in a while before you assign opinions to me!

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Sunday, January 23, 2011 8:37 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


I loved this. When I heard it I giggled to myself, thinking “Oh, Whozit’s gonna be SO happy...but who’s he gonna obsess about now?”
Quote:

Why is that a problem? I want them there, uncensored, encouraged, and free to do their thing as they have in their own special way for years. With them, at least you know what you're dealing with. There's no professionalism, no ethics, no nuanced subtleties of context or intent; just in your face right-wing fanatacism along with obssessive liberal character assassination in its' crudest form.
Ahhh, Fox News, you mean...yes, I agree.

I don’t know O’Donnell, never bothered to watch; I switch to Jon Stewart and Colbert after Maddow, when I even watch her. The one I abhor is that Schultz character; talk about NO sense of humor and rabid partisanship!
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They told him to lay off, and he told em to go to hell.
I’m not sure about that, only time will tell, if anything. I heard he was too controversial for the new owners, that he’d been job shopping for quite some time anyway, and given he’s been booted here and there before, he’ll probably pop up somewhere else before long. Matters not to me; I’ve been watching Parker-Spitzer during that time period for a while now, rather than reruns of “Scrubs”, which I used to watch. I think I may like Parker Spitzer, but I haven’t decided yet.

I AM finding Piers Morgan interesting, so I watch it when it’s someone I’m interested in. George Clooney was GREAT! But Olbermann? No, I gave up on him long ago and haven't watched in I don't know how long. I go to his website, as many others, to see if there's a SUBJECT I might be interested enough in looking up elsewhere, but actually watch his pompous assitude? Not my cup of tea.

And yes, “sacked” is the wrong word, and silly to use. Olbermann has enough pull that he could do his thing anywhere he wants practically (except on Fox, obviously--not just 'cuz he's too left for them, but because he might not be willing to LIE shamelessly), and if it hadn’t been a mutual agreement of some sort, we’d have heard by now; he’s not exactly one to keep his mouth shut when he’s pissed off!

One might as easily wonder if he was TRYING to get out of his contract ‘cuz he’s got better offers to play against one another. Matters not to me, just amused when I thought about Whozit’s reaction.
Quote:

you care more about some spoiled assclown quitting his job
No, Wulf, dear, it’s one topic among many, and didn’t get that much attention from us. You ignore all the truly small and silly threads we get into discussing things of no import.

So if it’s an example of LIBS acting like children, then what are your posts, which are truly childish, like why you should be Prez, and a couple if I remember rightly just dissing ME. Given the videos you constantly post which have nothing whatsoever to do with the real world, much less real-world events, we should be surprised you’d make such a remark, only we’re not.

Given we have threads about Kaneman winning some kind of money, “why isn’t Rush in the hall of fame?”, favorite music/sci fi, the changes in the zodiac, your remark shows nothing but your sad, desperate need to SOMEHOW diss liberals, no matter whether it makes sense or not. Real sad. And totally irrelevant. Again no surprise.


Hippie Operative Nikovich Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
Contracted Agent of Veritas Oilspillus, code name “Nike”,
signing off




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Sunday, January 23, 2011 10:14 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Oh, and WULF? Let me add
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you care more about some spoiled assclown quitting his job
If you scroll thru the thread, you'll see that the FIRST post was by our resident right-wing delusionist, and most of the rest are by.... guess who? The rest of the right-wing camp. Apparently YOU care about it more than we do. See what I mean by "no insight"?

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Sunday, January 23, 2011 10:47 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by LiLi:
Quote:

SACKED!

You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.





sacked
tr.v.

3. Slang Dismissal from employment: ( finally got the sack after a year of ineptitude.)


" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Sunday, January 23, 2011 11:27 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:


sacked
tr.v.

3. Slang Dismissal from employment: ( finally got the sack after a year of ineptitude.)


" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "




Huh. Weird. That definition doesn't include the word "resign" anywhere in it. But your very first post DOES use the word "resign".

So I guess it's safe to say that you've never quit a job in your life, you've only ever been sacked, right?

This Space For Rent!

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Sunday, January 23, 2011 12:15 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Sigh...he wasn't fired, period. If he'd been fired, he'd have been talking about it. Some kind of agreement was made, which we'll no doubt here about eventually. You have no indication he was fired, nor will you. Geez, you guys get something into your head and no facts stand in your way for a second, do they?


Hippie Operative Nikovich Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
Contracted Agent of Veritas Oilspillus, code name “Nike”,
signing off




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Sunday, January 23, 2011 2:04 PM

PIRATENEWS

John Lee, conspiracy therapist at Hollywood award-winner History Channel-mocked SNL-spoofed PirateNew.org wooHOO!!!!!!


Quote:

Originally posted by Niki2:

Sigh...he wasn't fired, period.



He was 'told not to come in to work tomorrow.'

So he quit...?

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Sunday, January 23, 2011 2:24 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by Niki2:

Sigh...he wasn't fired, period.



Yeah, he was. Period. You make yourselves feel better over the semantics, but he abruptly is no longer employed there.... he's out, he was "sacked".

Period.


" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Monday, January 24, 2011 8:46 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Amusing that you guys are so desperate to believe he was "sacked". I'm not; "sacked" or "quit", I don't care if we ever know. I just find your vehement insistence that he was fired terribly amusing.

Essentially, we don't know yet, in truth, and will have to see if anything definitive comes out, if we care. You can find both versions on the internet; here's one side:
Quote:

MSNBC's liberal crusader abruptly resigned on air Friday, ending a provocative eight-year run.

Keith Olbermann, the liberal crusader whose combative style put him increasingly at odds with his network bosses, resigned abruptly from MSNBC Friday.

The cable channel confirmed his unexpected departure as Olbermann was rather calmly announcing the demise of Countdown after an eight-year run that included a bitter feud with Bill O’Reilly, fiery denunciations of Republicans and occasional acknowledgements that he had gone too far.

A knowledgeable official said the move had nothing to do with Comcast taking control of NBC next week. This official described the dramatic divorce—Olbermann was about halfway through a four-year, $30 million contract—as mutual.

Olbermann, who quit MSNBC once before—in 1998, ripping his bosses in the process—almost single-handedly revived the network by leading it on a leftward march and aggressively attacking the rival operation he called Fox Noise. But his relations with top NBC and MSNBC executives sharply deteriorated when he was suspended for making donations to Democratic candidates.

Officially, the network offered little guidance, saying in a bland statement: “MSNBC thanks Keith for his integral role in MSNBC's success and we wish him well in his future endeavors.”

Quote:

Keith Olbermann's exit from MSNBC appeared abrupt to viewers of his show, but the talk-show host and his network were involved "in a relationship that's been failing for a long time," an NBC Universal executive said Saturday.

MSNBC simultaneously e-mailed a statement to reporters that the network and host "have ended their contract." Neither indicated a reason nor addressed whether Olbermann quit or was fired.

But the NBC Universal executive characterized it as a mutual parting of the ways, with Olbermann taking the first step. The executive spoke on condition of anonymity because settlement talks were kept confidential.

Olbermann and his manager did not immediately respond to requests for comment on Saturday. One clue Olbermann offered in his goodbye statement was that "there were many occasions, particularly in the last 2½ years, where all that surrounded the show — but never the show itself — was just too much for me. But your support and loyalty and, if I may use the word, insistence, ultimately required that I keep going. My gratitude to you is boundless."

You can find the other side just as easily, depending on which you choose to believe.

As I see it, given his fiery rhetoric, and an insider having said he was "job shopping" for a while, and given the new ownership of MSNBC (tho' they deny it), I can't see him having been fired against his will and not saying a thing about it. He was never one to keep his mouth shut, and certainly made it clear how he felt about his "suspension" recently.

So choose however you want to view it; personally, I'm not going to make any more suppositions; if we find out, we find out, and it's of no import to me anyway. Like I said, I haven't watched him in quite some time and I just find the righties NEED to see him as fired funny.


Hippie Operative Nikovich Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
Contracted Agent of Veritas Oilspillus, code name “Nike”,
signing off




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Monday, January 24, 2011 8:51 AM

WULFENSTAR

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg


Hehehe

Maddow is next.... Im sure THAT you will care about VERY much.

"Hope is a good thing, maybe the best of things, and no good thing ever dies"



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Monday, January 24, 2011 9:05 AM

WULFENSTAR

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg


The tides are going back out.

Light is starting to shine.

America is coming back to its liberal-conservative (even anarachistic) views.

Not its populist-socialist-communist ones.

Heheheheh

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2011/01/21/AR2011
012104561.html


"The American Creed's values are liberal, as that term was understood until liberalism succumbed to 20th-century statism. "

Herein may lie the compromise.

"After the Founding, there was, Huntington thought, a change in Americans' "dominant conception of human nature." The image of man as inherently sinful, dangerous and in need of control by cleverly contrived political institutions yielded to a much more benign image of man as essentially good and potentially perfectible. But, Huntington wrote, "both views were used to justify limitations on government." If men are bad, government should be weak lest men put it to bad uses. If men are well-intentioned and reasonable, strong government is not necessary to control them, so "government should be weak because men are good."





"Hope is a good thing, maybe the best of things, and no good thing ever dies"



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Monday, January 24, 2011 11:17 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


You keep on believing both of those, Wulf, I'm sure it pleases you. Keep on ignoring reality, we wouldn't want you to be too shocked...or depressed...by what really IS.


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Monday, January 24, 2011 8:30 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


As usual, more lack of insight.

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