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Nuclear power is safe. Yeah, it really is.

POSTED BY: SIGNYM
UPDATED: Monday, March 14, 2011 15:28
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Sunday, March 13, 2011 5:34 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Except when it's not. And then, it's a disaster.
Partial meltdown

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uncertainty still surrounds the situation on the ground and the status of the three reactors that were functioning at the time of Friday's earthquake and tsunami.

It appears that a partial meltdown did occur in reactor 1.

On Sunday, officials said the same thing was suspected in reactor 3 - although later, they appeared to retract this statement.

What is certain is that engineers are still struggling to pump enough water past the reactors to keep the cores cool.

At noon local time (0400 GMT), Tokyo Electric Power Company (Tepco), which operates the plant, gave this status report:

Reactor 1 - shut down, under inspection because of Saturday's explosion, sea water and boric acid being pumped in

Reactor 2 - water level "lower than normal", but stable

Reactor 3 - high pressure coolant injection was "interrupted"; but injection of sea water and boric acid were under way.

Later, officials said seawater and boric acid were also being pumped into reactor 2.

They were still encountering problems - among them, a stuck valve. Its exact purpose was not revealed.

Venting of mildly radioactive steam continued at reactors 2 and 3, and officials warned that an explosion was possible in reactor 3's building.



www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-12726628


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Sunday, March 13, 2011 5:59 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Drill baby, drill !


" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Sunday, March 13, 2011 6:29 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Indeed! Damn the consequences, full speed ahead on ALL disaster fronts!

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Sunday, March 13, 2011 12:22 PM

DREAMTROVE


At least Japan didn't kill millions of people securing oil.

That's what a ship is, you know - it's not just a keel and a hull and a deck and sails, that's what a ship needs.

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Sunday, March 13, 2011 1:18 PM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


Quote:

Originally posted by SignyM:
Except when it's not. And then, it's a disaster.
Partial meltdown

Quote:

uncertainty still surrounds the situation on the ground and the status of the three reactors that were functioning at the time of Friday's earthquake and tsunami.

It appears that a partial meltdown did occur in reactor 1.

On Sunday, officials said the same thing was suspected in reactor 3 - although later, they appeared to retract this statement.

What is certain is that engineers are still struggling to pump enough water past the reactors to keep the cores cool.

At noon local time (0400 GMT), Tokyo Electric Power Company (Tepco), which operates the plant, gave this status report:

Reactor 1 - shut down, under inspection because of Saturday's explosion, sea water and boric acid being pumped in

Reactor 2 - water level "lower than normal", but stable

Reactor 3 - high pressure coolant injection was "interrupted"; but injection of sea water and boric acid were under way.

Later, officials said seawater and boric acid were also being pumped into reactor 2.

They were still encountering problems - among them, a stuck valve. Its exact purpose was not revealed.

Venting of mildly radioactive steam continued at reactors 2 and 3, and officials warned that an explosion was possible in reactor 3's building.



www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-12726628




Indeed. It has always been the consequences of an accident that has been the big concern for nuclear power. This was widely debated in the 80's when opposition to this kind of power was at its highest, but the debate was sat on for some reason. We've always been sold the apparent lie that these kinds of power plants have enough safe guards to prevent catastophe.

The issue is the difference between catastrophe in a nuclear power plant and catastrophe in other kinds - we had a huge explosion at a gas plant 10 or so years ago. The state was without gas for a month, but apart from 2 workers dying and a dozen injured, and that was very sad, there were no ill affects on those outside the plant or the environment.

What they are not talking about is what will happen when the cores melt. Ughhhh. And three plants not just one.

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Sunday, March 13, 2011 1:55 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by dreamtrove:
At least Japan didn't kill millions of people securing oil.

That's what a ship is, you know - it's not just a keel and a hull and a deck and sails, that's what a ship needs.



They did start a war over oil, if you recall.

WW2 ring a bell ?

Thankfully, it didn't cost US or anyone else 'millions'. They did kill a lot of Chinese, though.


" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Sunday, March 13, 2011 2:37 PM

DREAMTROVE


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Originally posted by AURaptor:

They did start a war over oil, if you recall.

WW2 ring a bell ?

Thankfully, it didn't cost US or anyone else 'millions'. They did kill a lot of Chinese, though.



Fair enough, if debatable.

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From Wikipedia:

In 1937 Japan invaded Manchuria and China proper. Under the guise of the Greater East Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere, with slogans as "Asia for the Asians!" Japan sought to remove the Western powers influence in China and replace it with Japanese domination.

The ongoing conflict in China led to a deepening conflict with the U.S., where public opinion was alarmed by events such as the Nanking Massacre and growing Japanese power. Lengthy talks were held between the U.S. and Japan. When Japan moved into the southern part of French Indochina, President Roosevelt chose to freeze all Japanese assets in the U.S. The intended consequence of this was the halt of oil shipments from the U.S. to Japan, which had supplied 80 percent of Japanese oil imports. The Netherlands and UK followed suit. With only 1.5 years of peacetime oil reserves that would last only a year and a half during peace time (much less during wartime), Japan had two choices: comply with the U.S.-led demand to pull out of China, or seize the oilfields in the East Indies from the Netherlands. The Japan government deemed it unacceptable to retreat from China.



The war was ongoing. I don't think oil was nearly the agenda item that empire was.

That's what a ship is, you know - it's not just a keel and a hull and a deck and sails, that's what a ship needs.

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Sunday, March 13, 2011 2:47 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Remembering the thread about what pisses us off:

PEOPLE WHO PRONOUNCE IT "NUKULAR" I'm shouting at the TV more than usual...WHY can't people (at least reporters!!!) get it right??? It's all over the news right now, and I cringe at how few pronounce it right.


Hippie Operative Nikovich Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
Contracted Agent of Veritas Oilspillus, code name “Nike”,
signing off



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Monday, March 14, 2011 3:28 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Drill baby, drill !




Yeah, because there's NO WAY anything could go wrong with that, right? ;)

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill

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