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Michele Bachmann For President In 2012!

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Friday, March 25, 2011 2:53 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


I assume by now everyone has heard that Bachman is launching an exploratory effort to run for Prez.

Oh gawd, it's just it's just too, too, very, very...

Oh lordy, Michelle, please DO run! Oh, please, oh, please, what FUN!!

http://michelebachmannforpresidentin2012.blogspot.com/

Her "Michelle for President" website (put up November 16, 2009) claims America Needs Michele Bachmann To Run For President In 2012



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Americans are sick and tired of "fake conservatives" and of politicians who promise one thing and do another. They want someone who is genuine and who speaks from the heart. That is what they will get from Michele Bachmann. ....

Abortion: As a former foster-mother for 23 children, Michele Bachmann understands that each and every child is precious. .... The truth is that the United States of America is NOT going to survive if we keep killing approximately a million unborn children each year.

Health care: The truth is that the bill is so bad that one poll revealed that 45 percent of America's doctors would consider shutting down their practices or retiring if Obama's plan is ultimately adopted.

Global Warming: Michele Bachmann is one of the few members of Congress who are willing to stand up and tell the truth that carbon dioxide is one of the fundamental building blocks of life on earth and that it is NOT causing global warming.

Taxes: Now the Democrats want to raise taxes on an American people that is already being taxed to death. (???)

Israel: The anti-Israel policies of Barack Obama could end up being completely disastrous for the United States. The U.S. needs a president that understands that Israel is a great friend and ally.

Gay Mariage: Michele Bachmann supports both a federal and a state constitutional amendment banning same-sex marriage and any legal equivalents. This is very refreshing (???) at a time when even many Republican lawmakers are coming out in favor of gay marriage.

Socialism: ... there is little use denying that we are quickly becoming a socialist nation. Her speech on "gangster government" has become a classic. (Damned straight!)

Leadership: The conservative movement in the United States desperately needs a true leader right now, and Michele Bachmann can provide the kind of inspirational leadership that most other Republican politicians simply cannot. One recent example of Michele's leadership was a massive grassroots conservative rally organized by Michele (SHE organized it?) on the steps of the U.S. Capitol to protest the health care reform bill that drew 10,000 to 20,000 participants – far more than the 2,000 originally predicted.


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Friday, March 25, 2011 2:58 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


There’s so much more, but let's reminisce, it's so much more fun:

Bachman on the census: She encouraged people of her state not to participate, which of course would have LESSENED the number of people counted, and possibly lost her constituents being counted.
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On Bill Bennett’s radio show, Bachmann recently expressed fear that information collected would be misused by the Obama administration, saying, “Certainly the collection of this information is going to be part of an ongoing political campaign by this administration.”
(Did she ever hear of the Bush administration, the Patriot Act, and warrantless wiretapping?)

Bachman on slavery:
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‘we also know that the very founders that wrote those documents worked tirelessly until slavery was no more in the United States..”
On her politics:
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Michele Bachmann reveals she used to be a Democrat until the day she witnessed Gore Vidal besmirch the founding fathers. “Until I was reading this snotty novel called Burr, by Gore Vidal, and read how he mocked our Founding Fathers. And as a reasonable, decent, fair-minded person who happened to be a Democrat, I thought, ‘You know what? What he’s writing about, this mocking of people that I revere, and the country that I love, and that I would lay my life down to defend…I knew that that was not representative of my country. And at that point I put the book down… I looked out the window and I said, ‘You know what? I think I must be a Republican. I don’t think I’m a Democrat.’”
Those from FOX NEWS RADIO: http://radio.foxnews.com/2009/06/18/latest-michele-bachmann-insanity-a
fraid-to-take-part-in-census
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In response to Obama attending the G-20 summit to promote economic cooperation among countries, Bachmann says the real intent is to “bind the United States into a global economy.”
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If you look at the G20, what they’re trying to do is bind together the world’s economies. Look how that played out in the European Union when they bound all of those nations economies together and one of the smallest economies, Greece, when they got into trouble, that one little nation is bringing down the entire EU. Well, President Obama is trying to bind the United States into a global economy where all of our nations come together in a global economy. I don’t want the United States to be in a global economy where, where our economic future is bound to that of Zimbabwe. I can’t, we can’t necessarily trust the decisions that are being made financially in other countries.
Bachmann says this will lead to one-world government, and “I don’t want to cede the United States’ authority to a transnational organization.”

http://www.alan.com/2010/06/30/michele-bachmanns-latest-insanity-i-don
t-want-the-united-states-to-be-in-a-global-economy
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From hiding in the bushes at a gay-rights rally to boasting about the marriageability of her 13-year-old daughter, Bachmann has the gift of gab that keeps on giving. Here are 12 of her greatest hits.

Her Divine Calling

Michele Bachmann has friends in high places. Pastor Mac Hammond of the Living World Christian Center, a mega-church in suburban Minneapolis, twice risked his church’s nonprofit status for Bachmann’s campaigns. When he offered her his pulpit during her first run for the House in 2006, she took the opportunity to talk about an even more powerful friend who had endorsed her candidacies: the Lord in Heaven. After God chose her husband for her and then told her she should “submit” to him (he, in turn, told her to study tax law), she says God “called me to run for the Minnesota Senate… God then called me to run for the United States Congress. And I thought, ‘What in the world would that be for?’ And my husband said, ‘You need to do this,’ and I wasn’t so sure. And we took three days, and we fasted and we prayed, and we said, ‘Lord, is this what you want? Is this your will?’ And long about the afternoon of day two, he made that calling sure.”

“False Imprisonment” by Lesbians

Shortly after sponsoring an amendment to ban same-sex marriage in April 2005, Bachmann attended a meeting at a community center in Scandia, Minnesota. At a certain point, witnesses heard a series of “piercing screams” before witnessing the congresswoman emerge from the restroom “in a crouching run” while crying, “I was being held against my will!” Bachmann filed a report with the county sheriff about two women “believed to be part of a LGBT group.” According to the report:
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Bachmann said both women stood in front of the bathroom door and then one woman put her hand on top of the door and her other hand on the door handle and leaned her body weight toward the door to hold it shut. The other woman put her hand on the door as well. … [Bachmann said she] was absolutely terrified and has never been that terrorized before as she had no idea what those two women were going to do to her.
The women in question denied holding the door shut and said they were merely chatting with their local senator while waiting in line. Bachmann’s complaint was eventually dismissed.

Dr. Bachmann’s Christian Counseling Center

Perhaps Bachmann’s imprisonment scare in Scandia is connected to her husband’s Christian counseling center, Bachmann & Associates, which specializes in “men’s & women’s issues,” “abuse issues,” “spiritual issues,” and “shame.” Minneapolis’ City Pages magazine spoke to Minneapolis resident Curt Prins in 2006, who attended a Minnesota Pastors’ Summit where both Marcus and Michele Bachmann spoke:

For Marcus Bachmann's session, Prins says there were more than 100 people crammed in a room at Grace, and most of the presentation involved stereotypes of gays. "He was saying how homosexuality was a choice, that it was not genetics," Prins says. "He was claiming there was a high predominance of sexual abuse in the LGBT community. There was no research to back any of this up." (Marcus Bachmann refused to answer questions about the seminar.)

The climax of the presentation was when, according to Prins, Bachmann brought up "three ex-gays, like part of a PowerPoint presentation." The trio, two white men and a black woman, all testified that they had renounced their homosexuality. "One of them said, 'If I was born gay, then I'll have to be born again,'" Prins recalls. "The crowd went crazy."

”Listening to him," Prins surmises, "it becomes clear that he's had a huge impact on her. He might be the spearhead of this whole religious/gay issue."

Dr. Bachmann told City Pages that converting gay people is not the purpose of his practice. "Am I aware that the perception is out there? I can't comment on that." He continued, "If someone is interested in talking to us about their homosexuality, we are open to talking about that. But if someone comes in a homosexual and they want to stay homosexual, I don't have a problem with that."

Her Children’s Marriageability

In a three-page Christmas letter from 2003 acquired by a local blog, Bachmann waxed optimistic on her four children’s suitability as spouses. 13-year-old Elisa “was born to be the perfect wife… Future mates will have to apply as she does not advertise herself.” After marveling at the way her daughter Caroline “pulls her jeans over her 14-inch hips,” Bachmann noted that “King Henry had his six wives, and if our Caroline had been one of them, I think she would have been called Caroline the Vibrant.” She described her son, Harrison, as “utter perfection” and a “female fantasy treasure.” And her eldest son, Lucas, got a cheeky personal ad: “Chick magnate [sic] needs wife to put him through med school, clean house, pay bills and run his life. Must be willing to gamble against onslaught of socialized medicine diminishing return on investment.”

Equating Homosexuality with Pedophilia

Just last week Bachmann spoke on the House floor about the dangers of hate-crimes legislation. Protecting victims of homophobic crime, she explains, means protecting pedophiles:

[P]eople who are practicing pedophiles would be considered protected under this legislation, but not, I understand, veterans, not, I understand, pregnant women, not, I understand, 85-year-old grandmothers would be protected under this law. But who would be protected? A pedophile, someone who considers themselves gay, someone who considers themselves transgender, someone who considers themselves a cross-dresser? That is who is protected.

It wasn’t the first time Bachmann equated gays with child molesters. In 2004, she told a talk-radio host that same-sex marriage is dangerous because “it is our children who are the prize for this community, they are specifically targeting our children.”

Even Jesse Ventura Thinks She’s Wacky

Bachmann got her political start with Minnesota’s Maple River Education Coalition, of which former Governor Jesse Ventura once said, “That Maple River group, they think UFOs are landing next month. They think it’s some big government federal conspiracy!” This from a ex-professional wrestler who’s on the record as saying bipartisan America is “East Berlin” and that 9/11 was an inside job.

Saddam’s Palace: Just Like the Mall of America

Bachmann was among the congressional delegates who visited Iraq in July 2007. Whereas many of her peers came back with doubts about Bush’s war, Bachmann came back with a renewed sense of righteousness—and some groan-worthy Americanisms. She described touring one of Saddam Hussein’s former palaces to the Minneapolis Star Tribune: "It's absolutely huge. I turned to my colleagues and said there's a commonality with the Mall of America, in that it's on that proportion.”

Partially Obscured at a Gay-Rights Rally

Another bizarre Bachmann moment caught on camera: the time she appears to have hidden behind a bush at a gay-rights rally. In 2005, at a protest of her proposed constitutional amendment outlawing same-sex marriage, a student activist caught sight of Bachmann and her posse crouched behind the shrubbery—and had the presence of mind to snap a few pictures, which he posted on his blog. Reached by the Minneapolis Star Tribune for comment, Bachmann pleaded sore feet. “I had high heels on and I just couldn’t stand anymore. I was not in the bushes.” Why was she at the rally? A rumor that “I was going to be a focus of the rally” felt “fairly personal,” she said.

Her Secret Knowledge of a Plan to Give Iraq to Iran

In 2007, Bachmann told Minnesota's St. Cloud Times newspaper that she had knowledge of an “agreement made” between Iraq and Iran: “They are going to get half of Iraq, and that is going to be a terrorist safe-haven zone where they can go ahead and bring about more attacks in the Middle East, and come against the United States.” This was why, she said, Iran wanted the U.S. to pull out of Iraq. Bachmann declined to specify how she learned of the partitioning plan, but noted that it was all part of “their natural cultural ties, the long history of Iran and Iraq wars, and regional security.” The St. Cloud Times posted the interview on their Web site on February 10, but the peculiar Iran-Iraq discourse didn’t find its way into the national press for almost two weeks.

Fears Fellow Congressman Keith Ellison Is a Terrorist. (Actually, He’s Just a Muslim)

In an interview with a San Francisco talk-radio station last month, Bachmann asserted that her colleague, Minnesota Representative Keith Ellison, consorts with known terrorists. Referencing a group of imams arrested in the Minneapolis-St. Paul International Airport three years ago, she explained, “The imams, the imams, were actually attending, ah, Congressman Keith Ellison’s victory celebration, when he won as a member of Congress.” She went on to talk about terror-related accusations that had been made against the six imams, not mentioning that these allegations had since been disproven. (Nervous airline passengers had apparently misinterpreted the imams’ praying as reminiscent of the 9/11 hijackers’ “patterns.”) Furthermore, the imams were in Minnesota to attend an imam conference—not an Ellison victory party. On MSNBC, Ellison fired back: “This is not true. I think it could even be psycho-talk.” A Bachmann spokesman defended her statement while admitting that “the details may be a little rough.”

Her Gay Stepsister

A surprise visitor came to one of Bachmann’s anti-gay speeches in the Minnesota Capitol: her stepsister Helen LaFave, who attended the event with her same-sex partner of 20 years. At the time, Bachmann claimed she had polled her family members on the gay-marriage ban, and that they’d voted 6-3 in the ban’s favor. But two siblings say she never discussed the issue with them. Stepbrother Michael LaFave notes that, though he’s “proud” of Bachmann, he wishes she “would have been honest. Dick Cheney had the good sense to do that with his daughter…. He knew how much it would hurt his daughter.” Michele Bachmann, more ruthless than Dick Cheney? Perhaps she took it as a compliment.

The Bush Hug That Wouldn’t End

Remember that freshman representative who was so elated to meet President Bush during a State of the Union address that she squeezed his hand, arm, and shoulder for more than 30 seconds, grinning wildly at the camera and clinging to him “like a teenage girl meeting Justin Timberlake”? That’s our belle, Michele.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2009-05-04/rep-michele-
bachmannrsquos-wackiest-moments
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Oh, and ““I’ll tell you one thing, if I was ever to run for President of the United States, I think the first thing I would do in the first debate is offer my birth certificate, so we can get that off the table.”

She makes Palin look sane...and her insanity is SO much more FUN than Palin’s! Ohboyohboyohboyohboy...


Hippie Operative Nikovich Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
Contracted Agent of Veritas Oilspillus, code name “Nike”,
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Friday, March 25, 2011 3:19 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


That woman is some kind of deep, seventh-level-ninja super-double-secret level of batshit crazy. And dumber than a box of hair.

OF COURSE the Republicans lover her!

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Friday, March 25, 2011 6:17 PM

DREAMTROVE


This is a moronic idea. We need a real choice of candidates. The only good thing I can see coming out of it is new Tina Fey skits.


That's what a ship is, you know - it's not just a keel and a hull and a deck and sails, that's what a ship needs.

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Friday, March 25, 2011 6:21 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Yes, please.

She's a R E A L American.

And I'm no phony feminist, who only likes strong , dykish Left wing chicks.

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Friday, March 25, 2011 6:58 PM

KANEMAN


I'm with Aurapt....

Kwicko, I formally condemn your mother for not aborting you. Yeah, I'm sure her brother was happy to have a son, but you are inexcusable....

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Saturday, March 26, 2011 2:42 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Yes, please.

She's a R E A L American.

And I'm no phony feminist, who only likes strong , dykish Left wing chicks.



Riiiiiiight. Her "knowledge" of the founding fathers rivals yours, Rappy!

And you're the kind of "phony feminist" who actively DISLIKES strong left-wing "chicks".


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Originally posted by kaneman:
I'm with Aurapt....




Imagine our surprise...

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Saturday, March 26, 2011 3:16 AM

CUDA77

Like woman, I am a mystery.


What a dolt. There's a reason she only keeps running for the House here in Minnesota and not for Senate because she knows that she'd get absolutely pummeled in a state-wide election because of how completely fucking crazy she is and how useless she has been. I still cannot comprehend how she keeps winning even representative elections. But I do know that I'm quite happy I moved in October and she no longer represents me.

But yeah, if she'd somehow win the primaries, I'll just be the first to say on behalf of all Minnesotans, you're welcome for another Democratic presidency.

Socialist and unashamed about it.


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Saturday, March 26, 2011 6:36 AM

KPO

Sometimes you own the libs. Sometimes, the libs own you.


Fairly intelligent and well spoken, and a decent person (with her husband she's fostered 23 kids). She is easily twice the woman Sarah Palin is.

She doesn't have any real qualifications that recommend her for the presidency though. Plus she has some bad points (where conservatives usually fall down for me): a lack of knowledge and understanding of the wider world, anti-science positions (man-made climate change, evolution). Also she's quite strongly evangelical I believe, moreso than bush; I'm not one of those who are terrified by this, but it would be a step backwards.

Not president material, but someone Auraptor and Kaneman could have a drink with I'm sure...

It's not personal. It's just war.

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Saturday, March 26, 2011 7:11 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Wonder how much of the taxpayers' money she took while fostering those kids. We know she and her family have taken well over a quarter of a million dollars in welfare already, and done nothing for it.

I guess that's why Rappy considers her a "R E A L" American, because she's always lived so high off the government tit. She IS the embodiment of Reagan's mythical "welfare queen"!

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill

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Saturday, March 26, 2011 10:03 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


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Originally posted by kpo:

She doesn't have any real qualifications that recommend her for the presidency though. Plus she has some bad points (where conservatives usually fall down for me): a lack of knowledge and understanding of the wider world...



The wider world ? What's the mean, exactly ? See, I think we need more folks who are knowledgeable about the issues HERE, first. I want American exceptionalism stressed and promoted. Too few understand the significance of our form of Gov't, its history, and what makes it so unique. I WANT our elected officials to be proud of this country, and stop apologizing for it so damn much.

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, anti-science positions (man-made climate change, evolution). Also she's quite strongly evangelical I believe, moreso than bush; I'm not one of those who are terrified by this, but it would be a step backwards.



See, as an atheist, I don't have a problem with her religious views, just as long as she's in line w/ what the proper function of government is, and promotes policies which favor responsible spending and securing freedom. I think that's right in her ball park.

As for "anti-science", I'm not even sure what that's suppose to mean. I can assure you, she's no where near as incompetent and ignorant on matters of 'science' as Sheila Jackson Lee ( D-Houston ) And exactly, what DOES it matter, for an elected official to be 'pro' science ?

On the matter of man made global warming, I can see the importance. The phony carbon credits con game and buying into the lie of man made global warming, she'd be extremely valuable in keeping the government from taking over even more control of our lives.

On evolution ? A lot of noise might be made of 'creationism' , but in the big picture, I can't see that impacting the lives of as many Americans as would matters involving "AGW". I'm strongly opposed to giving 'equal time' for creationism, as it's every bit a phony, ridiculous concept as AGW. But on one issue, we can all be taxed and fleeced, while the other, a few folks can just look like rubes to the rest of the world, but it wouldn't impact anything of significance.

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Not president material, but someone Auraptor and Kaneman could have a drink with I'm sure...



Oh, I'm thinking more than just having a drink....




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Saturday, March 26, 2011 10:25 AM

CANTTAKESKY


Why not get Ron Paul as the Republican candidate? He IS Republican, isn't he? :)

Bachman is not on this list. I don't like anyone on this list. And dear God, Jeb shouldn't even be on this list.

http://hubpages.com/hub/2012-Republican-Candidates




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Saturday, March 26, 2011 10:45 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


1st I'd heard of this list, but it's good to see Mitt doing so well. I clicked my vote for Gen. Petraeus. I had to chortle at Jeb, Crist and Graham. Too gorram funny, those 3.

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Saturday, March 26, 2011 11:39 AM

PIRATENEWS

John Lee, conspiracy therapist at Hollywood award-winner History Channel-mocked SNL-spoofed PirateNew.org wooHOO!!!!!!


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Originally posted by Kwicko:

That woman is some kind of deep, seventh-level-ninja super-double-secret level of batshit crazy. And dumber than a box of hair.



And a jew...AshkeNazi Khazar, not Semite.

That's the only requirement to be president of USSA -- a wholey owned subsidiary of the Jew World Order.

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Saturday, March 26, 2011 12:15 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Mike and DT: Thank you for the first two guffaws of the morning. I almost spit my ice tea at
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That woman is some kind of deep, seventh-level-ninja super-double-secret level of batshit crazy. And dumber than a box of hair.
and the Tina Fey thing was great! Had been telling Jim about her running and had to read them aloud; he guffawed even louder than I had. Excellent; thank you both.

Turning out so far to be an amusing election season. I think it'll only get better.


Hippie Operative Nikovich Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
Contracted Agent of Veritas Oilspillus, code name “Nike”,
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Saturday, March 26, 2011 1:54 PM

KPO

Sometimes you own the libs. Sometimes, the libs own you.


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Originally posted by kpo:

She doesn't have any real qualifications that recommend her for the presidency though. Plus she has some bad points (where conservatives usually fall down for me): a lack of knowledge and understanding of the wider world...
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The wider world ? What's the mean, exactly ? See, I think we need more folks who are knowledgeable about the issues HERE, first.


Right, I'd heard a few quotes of hers that seemed to show a worrying lack of knowledge and grasp of things; turns out I hadn't even scratched the surface: http://www.buzzfeed.com/mjs538/the-10-craziest-michele-bachmann-quotes

I think Niki and kwicko had it right, she's a wingnut...


It's not personal. It's just war.

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Saturday, March 26, 2011 2:15 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Yeah, but she's a RIGHT-wingnut, so Rappy and his merry band of teabaggers will do anything she says.

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Saturday, March 26, 2011 2:41 PM

KPO

Sometimes you own the libs. Sometimes, the libs own you.


Give him a chance to come back, read the quotes, and be embarrassed like me...

It's not personal. It's just war.

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Saturday, March 26, 2011 2:43 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Just because some biased opponents claim that certain quotes, taken out of context or not, are " crazy ", doesn't make it so.

Take the first one posted.. " Not all cultures are equal ". Seriously, what's wrong w/ stating that ? It's a fact, depending on what criteria is used. Nothing in the least bit 'crazy' about that, at all.

Some cultures stress hard work and education more than others. It shows in how they live their lives, is reflected in their value system, and the results can't be objectively ignored.


Reading over the 10 listed examples given, I see nothing 'crazy' in her words at all. Don't agree with them all, but I think there is clearly a bias in the way this was all presented, and it shows.

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Saturday, March 26, 2011 2:48 PM

KPO

Sometimes you own the libs. Sometimes, the libs own you.


"I find it interesting that it was back in the 1970s that the swine flu broke out under another, then under another Democrat president, Jimmy Carter. I'm not blaming this on President Obama, I just think it's an interesting coincidence."

"I don't know where they're going to get all this money because we're running out of rich people in this country."

And after saying her strong religious beliefs don't bother you:
“[Gay marriage] is probably the biggest issue that will impact our state and our nation in the last, at least, thirty years. I am not understating that.”

It's not personal. It's just war.

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Saturday, March 26, 2011 3:00 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by kpo:
"I find it interesting that it was back in the 1970s that the swine flu broke out under another, then under another Democrat president, Jimmy Carter. I'm not blaming this on President Obama, I just think it's an interesting coincidence."

It's not personal. It's just war.



She got that wrong, while trying to take a clever jab at Democrats. Crazy Cynthia McKinney said far worse and totally inaccurate. Michelle's comment wasn't 'crazy', just kinda stupid.

Is that the best you've got ?

Oh, I see you added more, post script.

Maggie Thatcher said pretty much the same thing, though a bit more eloquently. " The problem with Socialism is that eventually, you run out of other people's money"

I said I don't agree w/ her on all points. 'Gay' Marriage is an issue, I agree, but it's far from the biggest one we're facing now.

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Saturday, March 26, 2011 3:19 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Is Cynthia McKinney talking about running for President? If so, I'll be more than happy to talk to you about her craziness.


By the way, Maggie Thatcher had it wrong. It's capitalism that has that problem, as we saw in the summer of 2008, when the banks and investment swindlers ran out of other people's money (after taking an awful lot of it for themselves first, of course). So President Bush, whom Rappy credits as one of our greatest Presidents, saw fit to give them MORE of other people's money - namely, yours and mine. We were allowed no say in that decision, and Congress was specifically NOT allowed to ask questions or ask for any accounting. Ever.

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill

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Saturday, March 26, 2011 3:27 PM

DMAANLILEILTT


The problem with capitalism is that eventually, you run out of socialists to earn money for you.

"I really am ruggedly handsome, aren't I?"

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Saturday, March 26, 2011 3:29 PM

KPO

Sometimes you own the libs. Sometimes, the libs own you.


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She got that wrong, while trying to take a clever jab at Democrats. Crazy Cynthia McKinney said far worse and totally inaccurate. Michelle's comment wasn't 'crazy', just kinda stupid.

Can you give any more context? Not only are her facts wrong (apparently Gerald Ford was president) - what on earth is she even hinting at? The Democrats secretly caused the swine flu? It's God's judgement on America for voting Democratic?

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Maggie Thatcher said pretty much the same thing, though a bit more eloquently. " The problem with Socialism is that eventually, you run out of other people's money"

But the rich in America have never had it so good. She appears not to know this.

The third quote is not craziness per se, but does expose a fundamentalist crusader streak that I personally think is better kept out of the whitehouse.

It's not personal. It's just war.

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Saturday, March 26, 2011 3:48 PM

AURAPTOR

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Originally posted by kpo:
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She got that wrong, while trying to take a clever jab at Democrats. Crazy Cynthia McKinney said far worse and totally inaccurate. Michelle's comment wasn't 'crazy', just kinda stupid.

Can you give any more context? Not only are her facts wrong (apparently Gerald Ford was president) - what on earth is she even hinting at? The Democrats secretly caused the swine flu? It's God's judgement on America for voting Democratic?



I thought I already addressed that. Yes, she was trying to say that bad things happen when Democrats are in power. It's as old an political jab as it comes.

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Maggie Thatcher said pretty much the same thing, though a bit more eloquently. " The problem with Socialism is that eventually, you run out of other people's money"
But the rich in America have never had it so good. She appears not to know this.



I think you missed the whole stock market crash. But why DO the 'rich' have it so good ? And why would you call that a problem, even if it were the case ?

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Saturday, March 26, 2011 4:51 PM

KPO

Sometimes you own the libs. Sometimes, the libs own you.


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I thought I already addressed that. Yes, she was trying to say that bad things happen when Democrats are in power.

But she understands there's no connection right? She's joking? I listened to an audio clip of the quote and it sounded serious. Also hundreds of people died in that pandemic...

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I think you missed the whole stock market crash.

This is what she was referring to when she said the rich were running out? You translated her quote a minute ago as meaning it was the result of over-taxation.

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But why DO the 'rich' have it so good ? And why would you call that a problem, even if it were the case ?

I don't know that I would, and I didn't. I don't have time to get the figures now but my point is that over the past few decades the top 1% have got much much wealthier, while lower and middle class wages have stagnated. THAT is a problem imo, and if nothing else a serious matter of debate. I get the impression Mrs Bachmann had no idea about it.

It's not personal. It's just war.

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Saturday, March 26, 2011 5:34 PM

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The 'rich' keep doing what it is that made them rich. ( And no, it's not generally ripping off the poor. ) What other outcome do you expect to happen, over several decades ?

kpo posted ... "I don't know where they're going to get all this money because we're running out of rich people in this country." from Michelle Bachmann.

As I understand it, she's talking about the Left's desire to tax the living hell out of the 'rich' as a means to pay for - every thing. MY reply was that she's simply staying the same thing Maggie Thatcher said, so many years ago. Economic downturn or not, there aren't enough rich Americans to fund all the gov't projects and programs they have in store for us. Hell, we can't even pay for the entitlements we have NOW! This is to what Rep Bachmann was referring.

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Saturday, March 26, 2011 5:50 PM

AURAPTOR

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
Is Cynthia McKinney talking about running for President? If so, I'll be more than happy to talk to you about her craziness.

She did run for President, already. Guess you missed that.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cynthia_McKinney_presidential_campaign,_2
008


2008 Hurricane Katrina conspiracy theory

Cynthia McKinney was reported by Fox News on October 2, 2008 to have had a conspiracy theory stating that during the aftermath Hurricane Katrina, The Pentagon dumped 5,000 executed felons that were killed by a single bullet to the head. In the article McKinney stated that she was informed by the mother of a National Guard, with verifications from "insiders" .

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By the way, Maggie Thatcher had it wrong. It's capitalism that has that problem,...



And you've just lost ever iota of credibility you had, right there. No need to even waste my time on this any more.

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Sunday, March 27, 2011 2:10 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


We were speaking of candidates for 2012. Try to keep up, son.

How'd McKinney do? Did she get the nomination? Care to show me any posts where I called her, and I quote, "a R E A L American" or hinted that I'd really like to sleep with her?

As always, you've got nothing. You're just embarrassing yourself here, really.

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Sunday, March 27, 2011 2:37 AM

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kwickie -

It's funny to watch you try to turn complete humiliation and defeat into anything remotely close to being positive.


Cynthia McKinney for 2012!
http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=280185603958&v=wall&view
as=0


Maybe you can 'like' this ?

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Sunday, March 27, 2011 3:34 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Rappy, you seem obsessed with McKinney. The rest of us pay her no attention at all. Well, except for PN. Maybe y'all have more in common than you'd like...

Meanwhile, the defeat and humiliation is all on your side of the table. Michelle Bachmann? Really? That you'd support someone like her says volumes about you.

But why should I be surprised? You were the same idiot who claimed Palin's being picked as McCain's VP choice meant "game over" for Obama. Wow, talk about humiliation and defeat! You were so humiliated you quit RWED in a fit of pique!

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Sunday, March 27, 2011 3:59 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
Rappy, you seem obsessed with McKinney. The rest of us pay her no attention at all. Well, except for PN. Maybe y'all have more in common than you'd like...

Meanwhile, the defeat and humiliation is all on your side of the table. Michelle Bachmann? Really? That you'd support someone like her says volumes about you.

But why should I be surprised? You were the same idiot who claimed Palin's being picked as McCain's VP choice meant "game over" for Obama. Wow, talk about humiliation and defeat! You were so humiliated you quit RWED in a fit of pique!



Simply acknowledge that you were pwned over the McKinney for President comment you made, and move on. Trust me, the healing for you will take place sooner, rather than later.

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Sunday, March 27, 2011 5:33 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)



Nice try at deflecting the conversation away from the embarrassment that is Michelle Bachmann, though. You sure know how to pick a loser! First Palin, now Bachmann!

Maybe they should tour together. Bachmann-Palin Crazydrive.


I don't follow Cynthia McKinney. I'm pretty sure she won't gain the Democratic nomination for the presidency in 2012. I think they might already have a guy picked out. ;)

Meanwhile, you seem to follow all things McKinney. Please enlighten us. As I said earlier, if she's running, then we can talk about her craziness. Think she'll get the nomination?


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Sunday, March 27, 2011 5:52 AM

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Made it clear I already liked Bachmann. Haven't 'picked' her for anything yet, though.

You, on the other hand, continue to deflect away from being shown wrong, again.

As for Jihad Cindy, aka "much ado about a hair do", I sadly know more than I'd like. She was my congresswoman for a time, until she got booted out. And then the districts were redrawn, and I had other incompetents to represent me, just not her.

She was the Green Party candidate in '08, and may very well be again. We'll just have to wait and see.

And Bachmann hasn't officially announced her candidacy for President yet either, so add that to your list of fail.

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Sunday, March 27, 2011 5:54 AM

CANTTAKESKY


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Originally posted by Kwicko:
I don't follow Cynthia McKinney. I'm pretty sure she won't gain the Democratic nomination for the presidency in 2012.

When she ran in 2008, she ran as a Green candidate, not a Democratic one.

I like McKinney. She stands for something, even at the risk of her own political career. I don't believe she would have come out with the Katrina bodies accusation had she not truly believed the reports she had heard and gotten some sort of corroboration. Whether it's true or not, she decided to try to do something for a constituent, even though it was obviously political suicide. I mean to say, she is one of the few politicians with guts and convictions, and that ought to count for something.




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Sunday, March 27, 2011 6:08 AM

FREMDFIRMA


Quote:

Originally posted by kpo:
"I find it interesting that it was back in the 1970s that the swine flu broke out under another, then under another Democrat president, Jimmy Carter. I'm not blaming this on President Obama, I just think it's an interesting coincidence."


Pffth, that was fucking Rumsfeld, actually, creating and exploiting a panic for his own profit - there was only one confirmed death from it, and the vaccine killed over 300 people.
http://baltimorechronicle.com/2006/050806Markoff.shtml

Rummy and his Big Pharma buddies tried it with Sars, Bird Flu, H-whatever-N-whatever, and even shipping live virus in with the vaccines - and I dunno what's worse, that their cures are so deadly and ineffective (See also: Tamiflu) or that they're so completely ham handed they can't start a pandemic when they TRY - for what it's worth I do not believe the Baxter shipment was an accident, not when it would require an impossible violation of BSL-3 in order to occur.

But what's the diff, Dem or Rep is immaterial to these NeoCon sociopaths anyway, they'll cling to whatever star they think will lift them to power, cause for a fact the fucking NeoCons started out AS Democrats, in the office of Henry "Scoop" Jackson, collected in a drooling little circle jerk around the works of Leo Strauss and Ayn Rand.

-Frem

I do not serve the Blind God.

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Sunday, March 27, 2011 6:11 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by canttakesky:
Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
I don't follow Cynthia McKinney. I'm pretty sure she won't gain the Democratic nomination for the presidency in 2012.

When she ran in 2008, she ran as a Green candidate, not a Democratic one.

I like McKinney. She stands for something, even at the risk of her own political career. I don't believe she would have come out with the Katrina bodies accusation had she not truly believed the reports she had heard and gotten some sort of corroboration. Whether it's true or not, she decided to try to do something for a constituent, even though it was obviously political suicide. I mean to say, she is one of the few politicians with guts and convictions, and that ought to count for something.





*Cynthia McKinney says 5000 executed Katrina used as cover.
Tue Sep 30, 2008

Presidential candidate Cynthia McKinney announced for the first time on Sunday that she has received information that some 5000, mostly male, possibly prisoners were killed execution style, by single gunshot to the head, using the tragic events of hurricane Katrina as a cover.

Candidate McKinney made the announcement at a conference in Oakland, Ca, for the Critical Resistance 10 on Sunday. While speaking she informed the audience that she has received information from a sources that were involved in the clean-up and disposal of the thousands of bodies. According to the source; who wishes to remain nameless at this time, he was charged by the Department of Defense with the task of processing the personal information into DOD computers and then dumping the bodies into a Louisiana swamp. McKinney also claims she has spoken to unnamed members of the Red Cross that this event did in fact take place.

Presidential candidate McKinney reminds members of the audience that we need to continue to be diligent in our investigations of the “Prison Industrial Complex”.



And you AGREE with this nut case ? Holy Schnikies ! She's certifiably NUTS! She's not brave or courageous, she's a complete mental case. As was her late daddy, Billy McKinney, who once pulled a knife on a fellow GA legislator.

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Sunday, March 27, 2011 6:25 AM

CANTTAKESKY


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Originally posted by AURaptor:
And you AGREE with this nut case ?

No. I don't agree with her. I don't know if such a thing happened or not. I am simply not ruling it out as impossible, based on the premise that "our govt would never do such a thing." I am open to seeing evidence of such an event, if the evidence exists.

Whether this is true or not, I admire her courage for taking an unpopular and ridiculed stand on something she and her constituents were concerned about, despite its killing her career.



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Sunday, March 27, 2011 6:41 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by canttakesky:
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Originally posted by AURaptor:
And you AGREE with this nut case ?

No. I don't agree with her. I don't know if such a thing happened or not. I am simply not ruling it out as impossible, based on the premise that "our govt would never do such a thing." I am open to seeing evidence of such an event, if the evidence exists.

Whether this is true or not, I admire her courage for taking an unpopular and ridiculed stand on something she and her constituents were concerned about, despite its killing her career.




What you call 'courage', I call bat shit lunacy.



I was one of her constituents, and I can sure tell you, that was never one of my concerns. Because it NEVER HAPPENED !! 5 1/2 years later, not ONE thimbles worth of evidence has come out.

It's no different than the b.s. that some claim charges were set to blow the levees and flood N.O., or that 9/11 was an 'inside' job. Something Jihad Cynthia also promotes.


By YOUR logic, I guess you also praise David Duke for his 'courage' on standing up and trying to expose that silly Holocaust myth, huh ?


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Sunday, March 27, 2011 7:20 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Okay, enough of Raptor trying to deflect criticism of Bachman by focusing on some other (possibly crazy) candidate; I'm not gonna let him pull me away on THAT. He's defending the indefensible...myself, I'm not convinced she doesn't know exactly what she's doing, just like O'Reilly and Beck, and is playing it for all that it's worth. She certainly makes the news a lot, eh?

The fact is she’s either crazy or devious, neither of which I see as a valid qualification for President (tho’, come to think of it, we’ve had a few...). To even be DEBATING Raptor is amusing, at best. He’s only doing it, like so much else, to rile you up, to get your goat, and it’s working. He’s got you playing his game.

The fact is Bachman isn’t good for anything but a hearty laugh; he knows it, the Republicans know it, and they’re not stupid enough to nominate her. They MIGHT be stupid enough to nominate Palin, tho’ I doubt it, given what happened her last time out the gate, but Bachman? Hardly! Besides, Palin’s not running, she’s doing quite nicely being a celebrity and she’s making more money than she would as a Presidential candidate (unless she could funnel enough of that money...lessee, travel, clothing, ka-ching!).

“Bachman-Palin CrazyDrive” – Mike, you are truly on a roll, that’s genius. Gave Jim yet another good chortle, tho’ he stopped walking, turned to me with a quizzical/disgusted look on his face and said “How can you defend the indefensible????” when I told him about Raptor defending her. I explained briefly about Raptor...he kept walking and shook his head. He doesn’t get on the internet, wouldn’t be caught dead talking to crazies like Raptor.

Hate to tell you, CTS, but by defending McKinney you are making some Raptor-type arguments...that she “believed” what she said because she’d received information; he could say precisely the same thing about every piece of idiocy out of Bachman’s mouth, and it would be equally ridiculous. It’s a non-argument; he’s managed to turn the conversation quite effectively to focus on something other than Bachman’s insanity, which he’s only defending in the first place to piss you off. I should think by now you could all see that.

“What a bizarre time we’re in, when a judge will say to little children that you can’t say the pledge of allegiance, but you must learn that homosexuality is normal and you should try it.” Not crazy, just a flat-out lie.

“Gay marriage is the biggest issue that will impact our state and the nation in the last, at least, thirty years. I’m not overstating it”. Deliberate, asinine lie to appeal to the homophobes and right-wing base.

“Terry Schiavo was healthy. There was brain damage, there was no question. But from a health point of view, she was not terminally ill”. Physically speaking, accurate; but it had nothing WHATSOEVER to do with the issue.

“Carbon dioxide is portrayed as harmful. But there isn’t even one study that can be produced that shows carbon dioxide is a harmful gas.” Assinine lie which SOUNDS crazy...but she’s betting (and I do too) that her base is hearing that as “carbon dioxide isn’t harmful in the atmosphere”...and she was probably right.

“Normalization (of gayness) through desensitization. Very effective way to do this with a bunch of second graders, is to take a picture of “The Lion King”, for instance, and a teacher might say “Do you know that the music for this movie was written by a gay man? The message is “I’m better at what I do because I’m gay.” That’s not crazy, that’s manipulation, pure and simple...see, she doesn’t CARE if what she says sounds crazy to rational people; the people she’s addressing ARE NOT RATIONAL and only want to hear what rationalizes their already-held beliefs.

“If we took away the minimum wage---if conceivably it was gone---we could potentially virtually wipe out unemployment completely because we would be able to offer jobs at whatever level.” Stupid, yes, but again, to the RATIONAL mind (see above). Her base doesn’t HEAR the illogic, they hear “kill minimum wage = do away with unemployment”, and they don’t think beyond that. She KNOWS that.

“I give more credence in the Scripture as being kind of a timeless word of God to mankind, and I take it for what it is. I just take the bible for what it is, I guess, and recognize that I’m not a scientist, not trained to be a scientist. I’m not a deep thinker in all of this. I wish I was. I wish I was more knowledgeable on this, but I’m not a scientist.” A lie, of course, but her base hears “I’m for the bible”, followed by “scientist, scientist, scientist” and “I’m one of you, not one of them”. You just have to take apart what she says and look at how it is HEARD by the people she’s speaking to, and it all falls in place.

“There are hundreds and hundreds of scientists, many of them holding Nobel Prizes, who believe in intelligent design”. Flat-out lie, big one, but it’s coming at the same thing from the opposite direction: “See? There are Nobel-Prize-winning scientists who back us up” is all the base hears.

She’s really very easy to dissect. She knows exactly what she’s doing and how to phrase it, and whether she’s acting as a foil for the Republican party to attract hard-core right wingers, drawing fire from the left to increase divisiveness, or actually just mouthing off for attention, she knows what she’s doing, I’m sure of it. All you have to do is look at what she says, interpret how it’s HEARD by her sycophants, and it’s easy to figure out.

Thank goodness, the majority of Americans aren’t as racist, prejudiced or stupid as her followers, so she’s nothing but a wonderful joke offered to us by the right who is MUCH more fun than Palin ever was. Palin takes herself seriously, which lessens her impact as a farce, to a degree, but Bachman? I think she knows precisely what she’s doing; what her motives are for DOING IT, I don’t know...but they’re not to be elected President, that’s for sure.

To “debate” Bachman in any way, shape or form is to give her validity to which she has absolutely no right. I put this up for us to have a good laugh at, and some “got it”. Unfortunately, Raptor has managed to rope some of you into thinking it’s a serious discussion, and that’s too bad. Think a minute: “Bachman” and “serious discussion”? Are you kidding?

Raptor wins this one for having pulled you off topic and having gotten you to take his arguments seriously. Shame on you. Bachman is a JOKE. Need we go any further than that?


Hippie Operative Nikovich Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
Contracted Agent of Veritas Oilspillus, code name “Nike”,
signing off



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Sunday, March 27, 2011 7:40 AM

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Niki, it's funny to see you prattle on and on, with so much unnecessary rhetoric, only to watch you shoot yourself in your own foot.

Quote:

“Terry Schiavo was healthy. There was brain damage, there was no question. But from a health point of view, she was not terminally ill”. Physically speaking, accurate; but it had nothing WHATSOEVER to do with the issue.


Bachmann was right, and you even ADMIT as much!

( insert goofy Niki laughing emoticon here )

Now, here's a kicker... you and I might even agree more with each OTHER than I agree w/ Ms Bachmann on this particular issue. It doesn't make her 'crazy' to be on the other side of the fence here. Man, talk about the INTOLERANCE coming from you!

Just face it, you may not agree w/ her, and she - like all politicians - will misspeak and get some finer points wrong, but she's far from 'crazy'.

Jihad Cindy IS crazy. I only show that side of the coin as an example, not to 'deflect' or debunk the Bachmann issue. I can do that quite easily.

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Sunday, March 27, 2011 7:56 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by canttakesky:
Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
And you AGREE with this nut case ?

No. I don't agree with her. I don't know if such a thing happened or not. I am simply not ruling it out as impossible, based on the premise that "our govt would never do such a thing." I am open to seeing evidence of such an event, if the evidence exists.

Whether this is true or not, I admire her courage for taking an unpopular and ridiculed stand on something she and her constituents were concerned about, despite its killing her career.






Actually, such a thing DID happen, but it wasn't 5000 prisoners. But even one is too many, isn't it?

There was AT LEAST one such case, where the person was in police custody, was shot, was put into a car, which was driven into a ditch and set afire. His burned body was later recovered. This was done by the New Orleans Police Department in the wake of Katrina.

And don't forget the bridge incident, where sheriffs and police fired on unarmed civilians who were trying to get to safety. Again, this was documented and proven and there have been confessions and convictions, so this stuff isn't simply made up; it happened.

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Sunday, March 27, 2011 8:00 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Posted by Rappy:


What you call 'courage', I call bat shit lunacy.




Hence my statements on Michelle Bachmann. You view her as some kind of "hero", while I view her as batshit crazy.

Remember her take on the census, when she urged people in her district not to respond to the census because "the government" was trying to take over their lives? I only wish her constituents had done as she asked, because her district would have gone away if they had! :)

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Sunday, March 27, 2011 8:07 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


I wrote quite clearly that what she said was accurate BUT HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH THE ISSUE. That's true. It was nice twisting of the issue, appealed to those who she aimed it at, and served its purpose.

I won't buy into your game, Raptor, it won't work on me. I see her for the joke she is, for the effective political foil, and you have no valid argument. Instead, how about some more fun?
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"Does that mean that someone's 13-year-old daughter could walk into a sex clinic, have a pregnancy test done, be taken away to the local Planned Parenthood abortion clinic, have their abortion, be back and go home on the school bus? That night, mom and dad are never the wiser."

"During the last 100 days we have seen an orgy. It would make any local smorgasbord embarrassed … The government spent its wad by April 26." -Rep. Michele Bachmann, accusing the Obama administration of premature fiscal ejaculation, May 2009

“Really, now in Washington, I’m a foreign correspondent on enemy lines.”

“Now we’ve moved into the realm of gangster government. We have gangster government.”

“We now have an imperial Presidency.”

“It is the mother of all ironies that the kids who voted en mass for Barack Obama are the ones being fitted for shackles and chains.”

“I wish the Amercan media would take a great look at the people in Congress and find out, are they pro America or anti America.”

She blew it on that one because, later in an interview on FauxNews, when that was quoted back to her, she said “That’s not what I said. That’s not what I said at all, that’s an urban legend that was created.” There you have it; a flat-out, blatant liar...what more do you need?
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”If our founding fathers thought taxation without representation was bad, what would they think of taxation WITH representation?”

“Many teenagers that come in should be paying the employer because of broken dishes or whatever occurs during that period of time. But you know what? After six months, that teenager is going to be a fabulous employee and is going to go on a trajectory where he’s going to be making so much money, we’ll be borrowing money from him.”

“Any of you who have members of your family that are in the lifestyle – we have a member of our family that is. This is not funny. It’s a very sad life. It’s part of Satan, I think, to say this is gay. It’s anything but gay.”

"If we allow businesses to be prosperous and accrue capital, they’ll be giving their employees more than they can even begin to imagine. But when we continue to tie cement blocks on businesses (like the minimum wage) and constrain them, they can actually do less than their employees."

"No one that I know disagrees with natural selection — that you can take various breeds of dogs ... breed them, you get different kinds of dogs," she said. "It's just a fact of life. ... Where there's controversy is (at the question) 'Where do we say that a cell became a blade of grass, which became a starfish, which became a cat, which became a donkey, which became a human being?' There’s a real lack of evidence from change from actual species to a different type of species. That's where it's difficult to prove."

“There’s already an agreement made; they’re going to get half of Iraq and that is going to be a –a terrorist free,-a terrorist safe haven zone."

''The President of the United States will be taking a trip over to India that is expected to cost the taxpayers $200 million a day.''

''It is horrific to know that in the African American community, 50 percent of all African American pregnancies in the United States end in abortion, 50 percent.... There are Americans all across this country who would love to adopt African American babies, but they can't because 50 percent of all African American pregnancies today are ending in abortion.''

''[Pelosi] is committed to her global warming fanaticism to the point where she has said she has even said she is trying to save the planet. We all know that someone did that 2,000 years ago.''

''Lady Liberty and Sarah Palin are lit by the same torch.''

''This cannot pass. What we have to do today is make a covenant, to slit our wrists, be blood brothers on this thing. This will not pass. We will do whatever it takes to make sure this doesn't pass.''

''It's under the guise of -- quote -- volunteerism. But it's not volunteers at all. It's paying people to do work on behalf of government.... I believe that there is a very strong chance that we will see that young people will be put into mandatory service. And the real concerns is that there are provisions for what I would call re-education camps for young people, where young people have to go and get trained in a philosophy that the government puts forward and then they have to go to work in some of these politically correct forums.''

“I am so proud to be from the state of Minnesota. We're the workingest state in the country, and the reason why we are, we have more people that are working longer hours, we have people that are working two jobs.”

You can spend virtually half a day (or more) just googling “crazy Bachman quotes”.

But they’re not really “crazy”...look at the wording, look carefully. They’re very specifically designed and aimed. She exaggerates, she twists, she is outrageous. Yes, any rational mind finds them crazy and can only shake their head in wonder at how anyone could possibly see her as NOT a nutjob. But, re-reading them myself, I see the aim, I see the buzz words, I understand she’s most likely crazy like a fox. That doesn’t mean what she says ISN’T ridiculous and absurd, it just means that she knows who she’s talking to, and that those people won’t hear the actual statements, won’t think about them, will just react viscerally and laud her.

If she weren’t so effective, if people weren’t so amazed at what she says, she’d be a nonentity. So in reality, we should enjoy her insane comments, know they only make sense to a small minority, and see her for what she is: A wonderful joke. End of story.


Hippie Operative Nikovich Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
Contracted Agent of Veritas Oilspillus, code name “Nike”,
signing off



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Sunday, March 27, 2011 10:19 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:

Actually, such a thing DID happen, but it wasn't 5000 prisoners. But even one is too many, isn't it?

There was AT LEAST one such case, where the person was in police custody, was shot, was put into a car, which was driven into a ditch and set afire. His burned body was later recovered. This was done by the New Orleans Police Department in the wake of Katrina.

And don't forget the bridge incident, where sheriffs and police fired on unarmed civilians who were trying to get to safety. Again, this was documented and proven and there have been confessions and convictions, so this stuff isn't simply made up; it happened.



Oh,it's completely made up. 100%. You can't inflate 1 or two random incidents ( I'd only heard of the bridge incident, not the other ) and then claim 5 THOUSAND such murders ! That's more than several x's of those who died in NOLA alone!

My god, this is like dealing with children, your grasp of reality is so warped.

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Sunday, March 27, 2011 10:53 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:

Actually, such a thing DID happen, but it wasn't 5000 prisoners. But even one is too many, isn't it?

There was AT LEAST one such case, where the person was in police custody, was shot, was put into a car, which was driven into a ditch and set afire. His burned body was later recovered. This was done by the New Orleans Police Department in the wake of Katrina.

And don't forget the bridge incident, where sheriffs and police fired on unarmed civilians who were trying to get to safety. Again, this was documented and proven and there have been confessions and convictions, so this stuff isn't simply made up; it happened.



Oh,it's completely made up. 100%. You can't inflate 1 or two random incidents ( I'd only heard of the bridge incident, not the other ) and then claim 5 THOUSAND such murders ! That's more than several x's of those who died in NOLA alone!

My god, this is like dealing with children, your grasp of reality is so warped.




Your math is off. You say you can't "inflate" 1 or 2 incidents to 5000 (which is true), AND you claim that 100% of her claim is "made up". 1 or 2 incidents isn't 5000, but it's not 0% of 5000, either. If 1 or 2 incidents actually happened, that she claimed happened, then her 5000 claim isn't 100% false, mathematically. It can be 99.9998% false (1 incident/5000) or 99.9996% false (2 incidents/5000), but neither of those are 100% false.

McKinney's out there in CloudCuckooLand, no doubt. But there were some very bad things that happened in NOLA after Katrina, too. To whitewash them as "random incidents" instead of the outright, deliberate murders they've been shown to be, is disingenuous.

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Sunday, March 27, 2011 11:05 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Link to the other "random incident":

http://www.scpr.org/programs/patt-morrison/2010/08/25/law-disorder-fro
ntline-investigates-police-miscond
/

Shot, killed, burned, and abandoned. By the police. 5 federal indictments, so far. If memory serves, one cop copped a plea and agreed to testify against the rest involved.

Link to the full program:

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/law-disorder/

There are also no fewer than NINE other federal investigations into police misconduct, murder, civil rights violations, etc.

It's not 5000, but it's not zero, either.

How many citizens is it okay for the police to kidnap and murder before it becomes an issue, before you characterize it as a "random incident"?

Or, put it another way: How many WHITE citizens would it take before you thought it was an issue?

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Sunday, March 27, 2011 11:16 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

According to McKinney, the names of the 5,000 are contained in a Pentagon computer. She claims the men were prisoners whose bodies were dumped in a swamp



How many of those "5,000" killed had their names entered into a Pentagon computer ?

NOLA cops. That's what your links show.

And how many national guardsmen shot / killed and then disposed of any bodies ?

None.

Where are the bodies ? Who were they ? Proof ?

YOU HAVE ABSOLUTELY NOTHING.

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Sunday, March 27, 2011 11:39 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Again, you keep speaking in absolutes. "Absolutely nothing"; "100% false" "Completely made up".

The world isn't really that black and white, you know.

As I've shown already, one or two incidents is all it takes to disprove your claim that there were NO incidents. You claimed they were "100% made up". If I show that they're only 99% made up, you're proven wrong. Pwned.

Now just admit you got pwned and let the healing begin, so we can move on.

:D

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Sunday, March 27, 2011 11:51 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


It is 100% made up. You're just too much of a simpleton and/ or full of false pride to admit it.

No guardsmen murdered any black males, then dumped them in the swamp, with their names on file on some Pentagon computer.

It didn't happen.

NOLA cops ? A completely different issue, and one which still doesn't come close to fitting what Jihad Cindy claimed. Not even remotely.

game, set match.

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