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Originally posted by AnthonyT:

Was he born a U.S. citizen, so that he could renounce his citizenship later?

Or was he born a non-citizen, then became a citizen, then renounced his citizenship?

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Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
Good for Obama!

This crusade by Trump questioning the legitimacy of Obama has been more classless and distasteful to me than even when many Dems were calling Bush a liar and stupid. I can't stand Obama, not the man or his policies, but I do respect the Office. I also respect the historical significance of his election.

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Originally posted by AURaptor:

Why'd it take 3 years to produce this ?




" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
Yanno, I'm just a working stiff with bills to pay. I kind of rely on the Federal Elections Committee to handle things like making sure a candidate is qualified to be President. I don't have this Woodward-Bernstein attitude that everything is a cover up and a lie, and I have a duty to question every damn thing in the world. Trump's vile discourse has taken everything even further into the gutter than it already was. I mean the man shows not one iota of respect for the POTUS, or the Office of the President. He dragged his pathetic Charlie Sheenesque rantings around tv and cable for weeks, only further proving to the vast majority of Americans what an egomaniacal jerk he really is.

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Why'd it take 3 years to produce this ?

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Birthers comment, "It's not real. We haven't studied it yet, or analyzed it, but it's not real. We'll figure out why later. I'm sure some expert from somewhere will appear to tell us why it's a fake. Him, we'll believe. Rest assured, though, we knew it was fake before it was ever released, and we stand by that position. Otherwise, it would mean we were wrong, and hey, we'll never admit to that."

--Anthony

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Why'd it take 3 years to produce this ?




" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Hello,

I agree, there was no point in producing it, ever.

But, see, the amazing government machine that was able to get drone planes, smuggled explosives, and disappeared passengers for the 9/11 attacks was unable to forge a birth certificate in less than 3 years.

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Originally posted by AnthonyT:
Birthers comment, "It's not real. We haven't studied it yet, or analyzed it, but it's not real. We'll figure out why later. I'm sure some expert from somewhere will appear to tell us why it's a fake. Him, we'll believe. Rest assured, though, we knew it was fake before it was ever released, and we stand by that position. Otherwise, it would mean we were wrong, and hey, we'll never admit to that."

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Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
'Cause there was no reason to. Not until billionairre loudmouth idiot Trump, with media access galore, started his insane rantings did anyone above the stature of PN give any credence to this nonsense. Now the John Kerry supporter Trump is bragging about this great accomplishment? What a joke!

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One more thing that slightly nullifies this "birth certificate"...Kapiolani Maternity & Gynecological Hospital, the name of the hospital on the form, did not exist until 1978. Just google the hospital name and check the history on it. It wasn't named Kapiolani Maternity & Gynecological Hospital until 1978, before that time is was called Kauikeolani Children’s Hospital. Wrong: both parents must be American Citizens. This prevents Manchurian Candidates from becoming president. OOPS. Maybe he is the Manchurian Candidate. Who paid for his education, I mean his diplomas. Ladies and Gentlemen: Please refer to the Constitution of the United States of America. It requires a person to be "natural born" not just "naturalized" For those of you who are condemning me, look it up. I believe that you are incorrect. Obama needs to be a natural born citizen. He does not meet the legal requirements to be president. Besides, everything going on smells of fraud. He spent millions of dollars to prevent the release of his birth certificate. Follow the money. It has been common knowledge that Barack's mom and dad were never married. Why then did she sign this document with the last name "Obama"? Maybe whichever CIA team put this thing together for Oilbama can explain the questions or get the answer over to his teleprompter so we can hear right from the horse's A$$. I mean, mouth. haha

www.thesmokinggun.com/buster/barack-obama/birth-obama-certer-movement-
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'Cause there was no reason to. Not until billionairre loudmouth idiot Trump, with media access galore, started his insane rantings did anyone above the stature of PN give any credence to this nonsense. Now the John Kerry supporter Trump is bragging about this great accomplishment? What a joke!

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I think Trump played this perfectly.

His argument was simple: 'I'm a smart guy, I know a lot of other smart guys and these people have doubts and the President can't take two seconds to clear this all up. Instead he and his minions just call the 'birthers' nuts...these are people and they have questions that are easily answered yet no answers are forthcoming and that makes me wonder.'

Obama saw that the public sentiment was shifting on this issue. It was simply, Trump is a smart guy asking a simple question that the President (up till today) was unable or unwilling to answer. It was becoming a serious issue and the President was feeling some real pressure and we all know he is very poor under pressure.

God help them if this document is fake, its not the first time these folks have made up a questionable document. I just hope that if this was printed up somewhere...they used the right font this time.

H

"Hero. I have come to respect you." "I am forced to agree with Hero here."- Chrisisall, 2009.
"I would rather not ignore your contributions." Niki2, 2010.

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
I can't think of another U.S. President in history who has done this. Or been asked to.

Also, I haven't seen the birth certificate of any of the current crop of Republican presidential candidates. This obviously means that none of them are eligible to run. I'm sure the birthers here will completely agree with me on this.

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I can't think of another U.S. President in history who has done this. Or been asked to.

Also, I haven't seen the birth certificate of any of the current crop of Republican presidential candidates. This obviously means that none of them are eligible to run. I'm sure the birthers here will completely agree with me on this.

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Wrong. Trump released his and most everybody else did too either quietly or are planning to like during the first debate.

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As for other Presidents, most include the info as part of their medical records or come from states that consider the document public records and make them available to everyone.

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As for the issue. It was raised for McCain because he was not born in the US. Also Chester A Arthur and a couple others.

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69% of the USA thinks that 31% are idiots.

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"There is some evidence the birthplace criticism has had an effect. In a USA TODAY/Gallup Poll this week, only 38% of Americans say Obama definitely was born in the USA, and 18% say he probably was. Fifteen percent say he probably was born in another country, and 9% say he definitely was born elsewhere."
http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/2011-04-25-trump-president-poll.
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http://content.usatoday.com/communities/theoval/post/2011/04/obama-rel
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Shock poll: Only 38% believe Obama's birth story
USA Today/Gallup says 1 in 4 Americans suspect overseas nativity
www.wnd.com/?pageId=291641#ixzz1KpMiyYKV

"Most of the people will have died and the rest of us will be cannibals. We're too many people; that's why we have global warming. Everybody in the world's got to pledge to themselves to one or two children. Communist China just wants to sell us shoes. They're not building landing craft to attack the United States, and Russia wants to be our friends, too. It's been a long time since anybody caught me saying something stupid. A total population of 250-300 million people, a 95% decline from present levels, would be ideal."
-Ted Turner, bi-polar founder of CNN News who was paid $3-billion salary tax-free in one day and owns 1,910,000 acres (more land in USA than any other US citizen), father of 5 kids, Bilderberg Secret Society
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1070329053600562261

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"The real estate mogul and "Celebrity Apprentice" host has made more than $1.3 million in donations over the years to candidates nationwide, with 54 percent of the money going to Democrats, according to a Washington Post analysis of state and federal disclosure records."
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/04/27/politics/washingtonpost/main
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Philip J. Berg, Esquire, the first Attorney who filed suit against Barack H. Obama on August 21, 2008 challenging Obama’s lack of “Constitutionally Eligibility” to serve as President of the United States stated that Obama’s sister, Maya, was treated lightly last night, April 12th on CNN’s Piers Morgan Tonight show as she was not asked why on two [2] different interviews she stated that her brother, Barack or rather Barry, was born in two [2] different hospitals in Hawaii.

Berg said, “Apparently, Piers Morgan, has joined the so called ‘Free Press’ and media by avoiding the hard facts regarding where Obama was born. It is a shame that Piers Morgan did not live up to his reputation of being a tough interviewer.

Obama’s sister, Maya Soetoro-NG was interviewed by Bennett Guira of Rainbow Edition, Volume 2, Issue 3 in November 2004. In this article, entitled “A New Face in Politics”, it is stated in the first paragraph “Barack Obama was born on August 4, 1961 at the Queen’s Medical Center in Honolulu, Hawaii.” [emphasis added] However, Maya Soetoro-Ng was interviewed again by Laurie Au with the Start Bulletin in February 2008 under the headline “Obama backers stress importance of caucuses”. In the Star Bulletin interview, Maya Soetoro-Ng stated:

“This is a place that’s been relatively unchanged for him, and so much of who he is was born here,” Soetoro-Ng told a crowd of about 200 people eating “OBAMAsadas.”

“He was born in Kapiolani Medical Center for Women & Children, two blocks up from where our grandmother still resides … the place where he used to stick orange peels under his bed, where it got all dried out and … nasty.” [emphasis added]

Berg said, “Piers asked soft questions of Maya regarding where her brother was born and completely failed to address and/or question the contradicting statements by Obama’s sister.”

Berg continued, “I am so proud of Donald Trump as he has raised the issue of Obama’s birth even hoping that Obama will prove he was born in Hawaii. However, Trump has stated that the more he looks into the issue, the more he believes that Obama was not born in Hawaii.

Therefore, a perfect time Tuesday night for Piers to ask the tough question that he failed to do. I am sure that many people tuned in to Piers last night to see Piers ask Maya the question that has haunted her since 2008. Piers failed !”

Berg said, “I believe Piers did not want to be involved in the “Birther” issue, but many people tuned in to see the rare interview of Maya. Piers gave Maya and Obama a break they did not deserve.

I will continue my efforts to expose Soetoro/Obama for the fraud, phony and imposter he is and this is the biggest ‘HOAX’ against ‘our’ country in ‘our’ history; over 234 years.”

Berg said, “Obama’s ‘LEGAL NAME’ is Barry Soetoro, his name when he was adopted or acknowledged by his Step-Father, Lolo Soetoro, in Indonesia. Obama refers to his Step-Father, Lolo Soetoro, in one of his books. Also, on our web site, www.obamacrimes.com, we have detailed all of the facts that substantiate ‘Soetoro/Obama is a fraud, a phony, an imposter and this is the biggest ‘HOAX’ against ‘our’ country in ‘our’ history. We have a copy of his school record in Indonesia where his name is Barry Soetoro !

Yes, one can use a fictitious name, but not for fraudulent purposes. And by being a candidate for President, the use of Barrack Hussein Obama is fraud.

There is no evidence that we have uncovered, nor has Soetoro/Obama put forth, that he legally changed his name after returning to the United States from Indonesia at age ten [10].”

Berg continued, “It is time for our so called ‘Free Press’ to do what they used to do and that is vet candidates and in this case, Soetoro/Obama.

We are in a Constitutional crisis and it will only get worse.

Soetoro/Obama is not ‘Constitutionally Eligible’ to be President and therefore, everything he has done, all appointments and all signings are voidable.

www.obamacrimes.com

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New Obama Birth Certificate is a Forgery

Our investigation of the purported Obama birth certificate released by Hawaiian authorities today reveals the document is a shoddily contrived hoax. Infowars.com computer specialists dismissed the document as a fraud soon after examining it.

Check out the document released by WhiteHouse.gov for yourself.



Upon first inspection, the document appears to be a photocopy taken from state records and printed on official green paper. However, when the government released PDF is taken into the image editing program Adobe Illustrator, we discover a number of separate elements that reveal the document is not a single scan on paper, as one might surmise. Elements are placed in layers or editing boxes over the scan and green textured paper, which is to say the least unusual.

When sections of the document are enlarged significantly, we discover glaring inconsistencies. For instance, it appears the date stamped on the document has been altered. Moreover, the document contains text, numbers, and lines with suspicious white borders indicating these items were pasted from the original scan and dropped over a background image of green paper.

Let’s assume the state of Hawaii scanned the original document and placed it on the green textured background. This does not explain the broken out or separate elements. There is no logical reason for this to be done unless the government planned to modify the document and make it appear to be something other than it is.

There are two elements of interest, as shown in the image to the above – both entries for the date accepted by the local registry. This appears to have been modified in an image editing program.

The media was quick to dispel the fact the document was modified. “Our analysis of the latest controversy: The original birth certificate was probably in a ‘negative’ form, and someone at the White House took it upon themselves to doctor it up so the form can be readable,” writesJoe Brooks for Wireupdate.

Nathan Goulding, writing for the National Review, tells us anybody can open the White House released PDF in Illustrator and it will break out into layers. “I’ve confirmed that scanning an image, converting it to a PDF, optimizing that PDF, and then opening it up in Illustrator, does in fact create layers similar to what is seen in the birth certificate PDF. You can try it yourself at home,” he writes.

Indeed, but this does not answer the question why in the Obama birth certificate PDF the layers or elements contain dates – which appear to be modified – and the signature of the state registrar. If the document was acquired from state records in whole, why was it necessary to add elements? Goulding and Brooks do not address this issue.

These layers are also revealed by the White House issued PDF’s hex file in freeware hex editor. Within its code are listed 8 image masks, which if changed from value “true” to “false” turn off and on to reveal the layers as demonstrated in the video and in Illustrator. Whether these represent compression artifacts or other digitizing processes, or whether these masks represent deliberate manipulation remains to be conclusively shown.

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<< /Length 15 0 R /Type /XObject /Subtype /Image /Width 42 /Height 274 /ImageMask
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As Market-Ticker.org points out, it may prove to be significant that two of the boxes appear over both of the “date accepted” boxes, as well as the “Mother’s occupation box.” Was there a need to tamper with the dates on the document or other areas? The recent stamp date and issuing signature of the state registrar also contain an edited layer.

Questions have also been raised about the number at the top of the document issued by the Department of Health, number 61 10641, as one part of the number is in a separate layer when viewed in Illustrator, as demonstrated in the video above. This may prove to be significant. A long form birth certificate obtained by the Honolulu Star in 2009 from a female born one day after Obama and whose form was accepted three days after Obama’s document contains a Dept. of Health number that is lower, 61 10637. There are other subtle differences, such as the use of “Aug.” for the date rather than “August,” and the use of “Honolulu, Oahu” rather than “Honolulu, Hawaii” (seen also in the 1962 certificate below) which may or may not be significant.

More to the point, this certificate and others, like the one posted below it, have visible seals. No issuing seal can be seen on the document released today by Obama.
Negative of long form birth certificate for Aug. 5, 1961 birth in Honolulu, released in 1966 with seal and dated signatures.Published by Honolulu Star and World Net Daily in 2009.





Infowars will continue to analyze this issue as more information comes in. It is significant that the Obama Administration was pressured into responding to this controversy, whatever the final analysis of this document. However, the administration still needs to release his other records which have been sealed at great expense. Is there an issue with his being naturalized in Indonesia? Why are his college records at Columbia and Occidental sealed, and what do they contain? Did Obama travel to Pakistan on a foreign passport? These questions and many others have not been properly answered.

http://www.infowars.com/new-obama-birth-certificate-is-a-forgery/

http://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=185094

http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=105347

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Digital Artifacts Prove Obama Birth Certificate Altered

As we originally noted and has been mentioned by a number of electronic image experts, one of the most glaring details demonstrating Obama’s purported birth certificate is a fraud is the presence of digital artifacts.

Digital images often contain unwanted information known as artifacts. In the blow up below of Obama’s supposed birth certificate, we can see digital artifacts as areas of white outlining text and graphical elements on the page. I brought a capture of the original PDF into Photoshop and enlarged it and increased the contrast in order to show the artifacts.

Artifacts are created as the result of lossy compression techniques. So-called “lossy” compression is a data encoding method which compresses data by discarding or losing some of it in order to reduce image file size.

Alternately, the white areas may be the result of a sloppy effort to eliminate a white background on the scanned image of the certificate and drop it over the green textured background. In Photoshop and similar image editing programs, it is possible to select areas based on color or contrast and eliminate those areas and make them transparent so a background image shows through. The process is far from perfect, especially when attempted by an inexperienced Photoshop user. It can leave behind telltale artifacts or jagged areas of original pixels, in this case white pixels from the original background.

As a long time user of Photoshop and Illustrator, I believe the second explanation is the likely reason there are white areas around the text and lines. It is a sloppy effort to eliminate a background.

As previously noted, the document is problematic in other ways. There are obvious text font inconsistencies, most notably in regard to the date in the “Date Accepted by Local Reg.” field near the bottom of the document. The number “1” in the year “1961” is darker than the rest of the date.

The letter “e” at the end of “none” in the “Type of Occupation Outside Home During Pregnancy” is also darker and slightly slanted, which is different than the same letter elsewhere in the document, indicating it was either added later with a typewriter of computer. This letter is included in one of the layers when the PDF is imported into Adobe Illustrator.

The date and state registrar stamps at the bottom of the document also break out in separate layers, indicating they were likely added and are not part of an original document as one would expect of an official document.

Other oddities add to the mystery of the document, including “X” marks above the “Twin” and “Triplet” in “This Birth” box. As far as we know, Obama is not a twin or triplet.

Finally, the document does not contain an official imprint seal, as we see on other certificate of live birth documents (see the example from an article we posted yesterday).

Although intended to be sarcastic commentary on the “birthers,” BuzzFeed has a list of most of the document’s anomalies.

Now that we have established that the document is an obvious forgery, we should ask why Obama’s people would release as definitive proof of his citizenship such an easily debunked fraud.

Is it possible Obama’s people are so incompetent and lazy as to release a document that was torn apart soon after it was released by people who know what to look for?

Or was this obvious fraud released simply to keep the debate and the political circus sideshow going?

While Obama’s birth issue has serious constitutional implications, it is to a certain degree a distraction. It reiterates the false right-left paradigm – as the PPP poll indicates — and deflects from larger political issues such as the Fed Reserve, the fraudulent monetary system, and ongoing wars responsible for killing more than a million people over the last eight years.

It also pumps new life into the so-called birther movement, a favorite target of derision by Obama supporters, especially in the corporate media (most notably by DC cop and homosexual Bohemian Grove nudist Chris Matthews). The birther movement worked like a charm in exaggerating the right-left paradigm and distracting from more important issues.

http://www.infowars.com/digital-artifacts-prove-obama-birth-certificat
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WHY should he show his college records, for gawd's sake? WHAT President has ever been asked to? What right does anyone have to ask him to? Is it a requirement to be President that you have X grades? Or is this just another way of saying "A Black man couldn't possibly be good enough to be President"? Hmmmm?

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