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Saturday, May 28, 2011 1:19 AM
KANEMAN
Saturday, May 28, 2011 2:38 AM
AURAPTOR
America loves a winner!
Saturday, May 28, 2011 7:11 AM
DREAMTROVE
Saturday, May 28, 2011 11:33 AM
GEEZER
Keep the Shiny side up
Saturday, May 28, 2011 12:56 PM
Quote:Originally posted by Geezer: Not to mention rushing to sign off on the renewal of the Patriot Act. "Keep the Shiny side up"
Saturday, May 28, 2011 5:11 PM
KWICKO
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)
Saturday, May 28, 2011 5:21 PM
SIGNYM
I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.
Saturday, May 28, 2011 6:00 PM
Saturday, May 28, 2011 6:18 PM
Quote:In their defense, they were not, in fact, all for it, at the time.
Sunday, May 29, 2011 2:32 AM
FREMDFIRMA
Quote:Originally posted by Kwicko: Kinda why you shouldn't rush to give ANYONE such powers - because as much as you might like the guy in charge, someday he'll no longer be the guy in charge. And when was the last time you heard of someone giving BACK power when it was handed to them on a platter?
Sunday, May 29, 2011 3:45 AM
JONGSSTRAW
Sunday, May 29, 2011 4:03 AM
Quote:Originally posted by SignyM: 'Zactly. You guys were all for the Patriot Act back then. Because the Patriot Act was so much BETTER under Bush, right? Right? That's not a rhetorical question. I expect an answer. Because a thing is either right or wrong, no matter WHO is doing it. And if its wrong under Obama, it was wrong under Bush.
Sunday, May 29, 2011 4:25 AM
Quote:Funny thing is, I'm not seeing the gnashing of teeth and cries of freedoms lost
Sunday, May 29, 2011 4:54 AM
Sunday, May 29, 2011 4:57 AM
Quote:Originally posted by SignyM: Quote:Funny thing is, I'm not seeing the gnashing of teeth and cries of freedoms lost Well, that's because you listen to/ watch right wing media. If you were to go to The Nation, or Alternet, or any number of actual left-wing sources... or read the posts here on FFF... you would see a LOT of anger at Obama. Don't mistake your ignorance for the facts. It's something you do quite a bit, so try to keep up.
Sunday, May 29, 2011 5:01 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Kwicko: Rappy, can you show us one single post of yours between 2001 and 2008 where you expressed any problems with the Patriot Act? Or are you saying that you support it as much under Obama as you did under Bush?
Sunday, May 29, 2011 5:08 AM
Quote:And I'm not saying the P.A. is all evil or I'm all for it, just commenting on the general response from the media. And to be honest, not much is being said.
Sunday, May 29, 2011 5:21 AM
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: Quote:Originally posted by Kwicko: Rappy, can you show us one single post of yours between 2001 and 2008 where you expressed any problems with the Patriot Act? Or are you saying that you support it as much under Obama as you did under Bush? How about YOU showing me any relevant posts, k ?
Quote: I've always felt it wasn't needed, nor was the Dept of Homeland Security. My general view is that it's just more needless bureaucracy, no matter who is President. There are safeguards to keep it from becoming the iron boot on the throat of the Republic, but even so, I'd be happy to see the PA and DHS go away.
Sunday, May 29, 2011 5:22 AM
Sunday, May 29, 2011 5:29 AM
Sunday, May 29, 2011 5:38 AM
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: Progressive is nothing but code for socialist, which I don't even consider 'main stream', even a little.
Sunday, May 29, 2011 5:47 AM
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: So, every post you have on here is only about those things which you have a problem with , and you never post anything for that which you favor?
Quote: What if I choose to not comment on something, one way or t'other ? Does that automatically put me in a category, convenient to YOUR liking ?
Sunday, May 29, 2011 6:14 AM
Quote: You seem to have a problem with it being renewed by Obama, and I pointed out that you never once posted any negative opinions of it when Bush was in office.
Quote: Apparently it DOES, at least according to you. You've strongly implied here that "the MSM" doesn't mind Obama renewing the Patriot Act, while they would have minded Bush doing so. So if they don't comment enough in your eyes about Obama signing it, does that put them in a category convenient to your DISLIKING? It would seem so.
Sunday, May 29, 2011 6:25 AM
Sunday, May 29, 2011 6:29 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Kwicko: Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: Progressive is nothing but code for socialist, which I don't even consider 'main stream', even a little. So you're coming out fully opposed to progress. Imagine my shock and surprise.
Sunday, May 29, 2011 7:25 AM
Sunday, May 29, 2011 7:27 AM
KPO
Sometimes you own the libs. Sometimes, the libs own you.
Quote:I think the Patriot Act was a needless expanse of US Gov't. True. But so far, it's not denied anyone their rights.
Sunday, May 29, 2011 8:27 AM
Sunday, May 29, 2011 8:35 AM
NEWOLDBROWNCOAT
Quote:Originally posted by kaneman: I can't believe Bush got elected for a third term
Sunday, May 29, 2011 8:41 AM
Sunday, May 29, 2011 8:49 AM
Quote:So all you guys that have been bitching and pissing and moaning about how Obama was gonna wreck the country by changing everything are now gonna bitch and piss and moan about how he's exactly like Bush? Which time were you right? Which time were you wrong? Or are you all just parrots of opposition, squawking whatever BS point your Fuhrers are making Today?
Sunday, May 29, 2011 9:04 AM
Quote:Originally posted by kaneman: Quote:Originally posted by Kwicko: Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: Progressive is nothing but code for socialist, which I don't even consider 'main stream', even a little. So you're coming out fully opposed to progress. Imagine my shock and surprise. Kwicko...i'd be very weary about thinking the word Progressive has anything to do with progress....being the spelling fairy you should understand that i can call shit...cake...know what I'm sayin? No snark. just sayin
Sunday, May 29, 2011 9:05 AM
Quote:Originally posted by SignyM: Quote:So all you guys that have been bitching and pissing and moaning about how Obama was gonna wreck the country by changing everything are now gonna bitch and piss and moan about how he's exactly like Bush? Which time were you right? Which time were you wrong? Or are you all just parrots of opposition, squawking whatever BS point your Fuhrers are making Today? Oh, indeed. There's nothing funnier than watching a bunch of right-wingers complain that Obama isn't left-wing enough. Or complain that the MSM- which they say is heavily biased towards the left- isn't left-wing enough either!
Sunday, May 29, 2011 3:17 PM
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: Quote:Originally posted by SignyM: Quote:Funny thing is, I'm not seeing the gnashing of teeth and cries of freedoms lost Well, that's because you listen to/ watch right wing media. If you were to go to The Nation, or Alternet, or any number of actual left-wing sources... or read the posts here on FFF... you would see a LOT of anger at Obama. Don't mistake your ignorance for the facts. It's something you do quite a bit, so try to keep up.
Sunday, May 29, 2011 3:21 PM
Quote:Originally posted by NewOldBrownCoat: Quote:Originally posted by kaneman: I can't believe Bush got elected for a third term So all you guys that have been bitching and pissing and moaning about how Obama was gonna wreck the country by changing everything are now gonna bitch and piss and moan about how he's exactly like Bush? Which time were you right? Which time were you wrong? Or are you all just parrots of opposition, squawking whatever BS point your Fuhrers are making Today?
Sunday, May 29, 2011 3:26 PM
Quote:Originally posted by Kwicko: Quote:Originally posted by kaneman: Quote:Originally posted by Kwicko: Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: Progressive is nothing but code for socialist, which I don't even consider 'main stream', even a little. So you're coming out fully opposed to progress. Imagine my shock and surprise. Kwicko...i'd be very weary about thinking the word Progressive has anything to do with progress....being the spelling fairy you should understand that i can call shit...cake...know what I'm sayin? No snark. just sayin I think the word you're looking for is "wary"; "weary" means something completely different. But point taken - If I really wanted to do something evil and devious, I'd start a movement claiming to be "libertarian" and "conservative" and call it something like a "Tea Party". As you point out, what it claims and what it is tend to be wildly different critters, as we've seen in every piece of legislation proposed by the new bunch of GOP-baggers. "Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill
Monday, May 30, 2011 1:40 PM
NIKI2
Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...
Quote:Below is a list of the members who flipped from “yes” to “no” from February to May, as well as those who flipped the other way: 10 House Republicans -- “yes” to “no” Jason Chaffetz (Utah) Jeff Duncan (S.C.) Morgan Griffith (Va.) Andy Harris (Md.) Jamie Herrera (Wash.) Don Manzullo (Ill.) Bill Posey (Fla.) Todd Rokita (Ind.) Scott Tipton (Colo.) Allen West (Fla.) 14 House Democrats – “yes” to “no” Gary Ackerman (N.Y.) Russ Carnahan (Mo.) Joe Courtney (Conn.) Elijah Cummings (Md.) Charlie Gonzalez (Texas) Alcee Hastings (Fla.) Martin Heinrich (N.M.) Jay Inslee (Wash.) Stephen Lynch (Mass.) Jerry McNerney (Calif.) Chris Murphy (Conn.) Ed Perlmutter (Colo.) Chris Van Hollen (Md.) John Yarmuth (Ky.) 1 Senate Republican – “yes” to “no” Lisa Murkowski (Alaska) 9 Senate Democrats – “yes” to “no” Daniel Akaka (Hawaii) Jeff Bingaman (N.M.) Maria Cantwell (Wash.) Chris Coons (Del.) Dick Durbin (Ill.) Al Franken (Minn.) Patrick Leahy (Vt.) Mark Udall (Colo.) Ron Wyden (Ore.) 5 House Republicans -- “no” to “yes” Randy Hultgren (Ill.) Jack Kingston (Ga.) Kenny Marchant (Texas) Bobby Schilling (Ill.) Dave Schweikert (Ariz.) 2 House Democrats – “no” to “yes” Eddie Bernice Johnson (Texas) David Scott (Ga.) Senate Republicans – “no” to “yes” None Senate Democrats – “no” to “yes” None
Quote: The Senate had been poised to approve final passage of the Patriot Act renewal later Wednesday, but amid objections from Paul – who had threatened to hold up passage of the bill unless it included an amendment that would have exempted certain gun records from being searched. Paul, a conservative freshman who has been among the most vociferous opponents of the counterterrorism surveillance law, had been pushing for eight amendments to the four-year Patriot Act extension that Congress is considering this week.
Quote:Gag provisions were maintained, but were not automatic. They only occurred when the Deputy Assistant Director of the FBI or a Special Agent in Charge in a Bureau field office certified that disclosure would result in "a danger to the national security of the United States, interference with a criminal, counterterrorism, or counterintelligence investigation, interference with diplomatic relations, or danger to the life or physical safety of any person". However, should there be no non-disclosure order, the defendant can disclose the fact of the NSL to anyone who can render them assistance in carrying out the letter, or to an attorney for legal advice. Again, however, the recipient was ordered to inform the FBI of such a disclosure.[180] Because of the concern over the chilling effects of such a requirement, the Additional Reauthorization Amendments Act removed the requirement to inform the FBI that the recipient spoke about the NSL to their Attorney.[181] Later, the Additional Reauthorization Amendments Act excluded libraries from receiving NSLs, except where they provide electronic communications services.[182] The reauthorization Act also ordered the Attorney General submit a report semi-annually to the House and Senate Judiciary Committees, the House and Senate Intelligence Committees and the House Committee on Financial Services and the Senate Committee on Banking, Housing, and Urban Affairs on all NSL request made under the Fair Credit Reporting Act
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