Myth : You cannot reduce the deficit to an appropriate level without also raising taxes. by AURaptor

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Myth : You cannot reduce the deficit to an appropriate level without also raising taxes.

POSTED BY: AURAPTOR
UPDATED: Tuesday, August 2, 2011 12:07
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Monday, August 1, 2011 1:58 PM

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)

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Originally posted by AURaptor:

And while you're at it, show me where in the constitution that it's the job of the govt to redistribute the wealth.

Right after you show me where in the Constitution (which you don't even respect enough to capitalize) it says it's the job of the President to launch pre-emptive wars of choice.

I'll wait.

And nobody on Wall Street "earned" a dime of TARP money. That was just government "redistributing the wealth" to the already wealthy. And you are in favor of that.

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Monday, August 1, 2011 2:13 PM

M52NICKERSON

DALEK!

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
I'm well enough versed in the America hating, socialist teachings of Obama's heroes.

If you where, you would know they are not that.

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:Show me where in the US Constitution that it's the job of the President to "spread the wealth".

I'll wait.

And while you're at it, show me where in the constitution that it's the job of the govt to redistribute the wealth.

"It" is being EARNED by those who work for IT the most. The govt should focus more on what it's suppose to do, and not re-engineer the socio-economic landscape of the country.

Article 1 Section 7 - Revenue Bills, Legislative Process, Presidential Veto

Every Bill which shall have passed the House of Representatives and the Senate, shall, before it become a Law, be presented to the President of the United States; If he approve he shall sign it, but if not he shall return it...

Article 1 Section 8 - Powers of Congress

The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States...

That was not hard.

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.

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Monday, August 1, 2011 2:20 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

It's that "and the general welfare" part that sticks in their throats.

Hippie Operative Nikovich Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
Contracted Agent of Veritas Oilspillus, code name “Nike”,
signing off

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Tuesday, August 2, 2011 4:27 AM

M52NICKERSON

DALEK!

Is that crickets I hear?

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.

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Tuesday, August 2, 2011 6:13 AM

BYTEMITE

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The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States...

That was not hard.

That one's about collecting taxes, and about inter-state commerce. We're a bit fuzzy about the uniformity across state bit on that.

Now you could argue that once taxes have been collected that congress could pass a law to use the tax money for the general welfare of the public including charity (and they have), but the specifics aren't contained in what you quoted, and welfare has a broader sense there than how you're using it.

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Tuesday, August 2, 2011 6:44 AM

BYTEMITE

Although since you mention it, back in the times the Constitution was drafted and they were figuring out the tax code, there actually were some systems of secular welfare in place, which is part of the reason the FF never spelled out specific measures. If people had spent more time managing those systems, they might not have befallen the tragedy of the commons and they might be widespread nowadays.

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Tuesday, August 2, 2011 7:03 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

Nick you haven't been here long as far as I can tell, so let me clue you in to Rappy: He is a dyed-in-the-wool flat-earther when it comes to certain topics. In fact, the more you argue with him, the more you entrench him in his position. I looked up the psychopathology of delusions. It turns out that people who have delusions experience a jolt of dopamine (the reward chemical) every time they "think" they're made a "successful" argument, whether it made any sense or not. When rappy is fearful, he comes here to get his fix. Maybe if rappy was left to quietly ponder his ideas, they would fall apart.

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Tuesday, August 2, 2011 9:09 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

I think he's gotten that by now, Sig.

What you read also explains why Wulf and Raptor are so hung up on thinking they "won" an argument (I would say a "debate", but that's not even close to what they do).

But leaving him alone wouldn't work; first off, like PN he's no doubt on enough forums to get his fix somewhere. Second, "pondering" isn't something I envision him ever doing. More like

, which doesn't require any brain power, just the ability to type.

Hippie Operative Nikovich Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
Contracted Agent of Veritas Oilspillus, code name “Nike”,
signing off

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Tuesday, August 2, 2011 9:16 AM

M52NICKERSON

DALEK!

I don't respond to them to in order to change their minds. I do it to test my beliefs.

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.

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Tuesday, August 2, 2011 12:07 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

Ah, okay...very

of you!

Hippie Operative Nikovich Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
Contracted Agent of Veritas Oilspillus, code name “Nike”,
signing off

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