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A new era in U.S. foreign policy
Wednesday, August 24, 2011 10:30 AM
NIKI2
Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...
Quote:Back in March, many neoconservatives in Washington were extremely dismissive of the way President Obama was handling the intervention in Libya. They argued that he was doing too little and acting too late – that his approach was too multilateral and lacked cohesiveness. They continuously criticized President Obama for, in the words of an anonymous White House advisor, "leading from behind." But now that these critics are confronted with the success of the Libya operation, they are changing their tune and claiming paternity of the operation. They are further arguing that if their advice had been heeded, the intervention in Libya would have been swifter and even more successful. But the Libya intervention is so significant precisely because it did not follow the traditional pattern of U.S.-led interventions. Indeed, it launched a new era in U.S. foreign policy. The United States decided that it was only going to intervene in Libya if it could establish several conditions: 1) A local group that was willing to fight and die for change; in other words, "indigenous capacity". 2) Locally recognized legitimacy in the form of the Arab League's request for intervention. 3) International legitimacy in the form of United Nations Security Council Resolution 1973. 4) Genuine burden sharing with the British and French spelling out precisely how many sorties they would be willing to man and precisely what level of commitment they would be willing to provide. It was only when all those conditions were fulfilled that the Obama Administration agreed to play a pivotal but supporting role in the Libya operation. It is important to emphasize that even though it was a "supporting role," the U.S. was indispensable to the operation. Nobody else could have eliminated Gadhafi's air defenses – and, effectively, his air force - within three days. Without America, the operation in Libya could not have taken place. But the U.S. was also "supporting" in the sense that after these initial strikes, it moved into the background and asked its NATO partners to do the heavy lifting. Thereafter, the U.S. intervened only when it felt it needed to. All of this suggests a very different model for intervention, which I believe is a vast improvement over the old, expansive and expensive model. The new model does two things: First, it ensures that there's genuinely a local alliance committed to the same goals as the external coalition. This way, there is more legitimacy on the ground. And if there is anything Afghanistan and Iraq have taught us, it is that local legitimacy is key. Second, this model ensures that there is genuine burden sharing so that the United States is not left owning the country as has happened so often in the past. Compared to the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, the Libya operation was a bargain. It cost the U.S. about $1 billion. The wars in Iraq and Afghanistan collectively cost the U.S. $1.3 trillion. In other words, success in Libya could be achieved at less than one-tenth of one percent of the cost of the interventions in Iraq and Afghanistan. That's not a bad model for the future. Now there are critics of this approach on both the right and left. Some on the left – the great liberal internationalists – are horrified by the fact that people in Benghazi cheered for French President Nicolas Sarkozy. They think only President Obama's name should be on the lips of the liberated Libyans.But there is actually nothing wrong with a world in which the Europeans are also associated with the cause of freedom and liberty. It means that they will also be more willing to bear some of the burdens and pay some of the costs of intervention. And it means they are more likely to be involved in the difficult process of reconstruction. The old model of American leadership - where we took all the decisions, bore all the burdens, paid all the costs and took all the glory – has to change. People in Washington are going to have to realize that when other countries step up to the plate, they too will naturally get some share of credit. It's more important that Libya be saved than that Washington is seen as the sole savior. In the future, we will again have to follow this limited model of intervention. The United States is not going to have the kind of defense budget nor the national will to engage in a series of major military operations in countries that are, frankly, not vital to our national interests. Defense Secretary Robert Gates was very clear and he was right: Libya is not vital to our national interest. The point, however, was that the Libyan revolution was an important event in the context of the Arab Spring and that if we could be helpful, it would be of great benefit to Libya and to America. The question before Libya was: Could such interventions be successful while keeping costs under control - both human and financial. Today's answer is: Yes. http://globalpublicsquare.blogs.cnn.com/2011/08/23/a-new-era-in-u-s-foreign-policy/?hpt=hp_t1
Wednesday, August 24, 2011 10:42 AM
ANTHONYT
Freedom is Important because People are Important
Wednesday, August 24, 2011 10:51 AM
HERO
Quote:Originally posted by AnthonyT: I would very much like to imagine a decade of my life where the U.S. does not become embroiled in a conflict somewhere.
Wednesday, August 24, 2011 11:01 AM
Quote:The Independent reports April 3 eye-witness accounts that "Military and diplomatic operatives from the US and Western Europe—usually described as experts, consultants and advisers—turned up in the rebel capital, Benghazi. http://ww4report.com/node/9740 United States, Britain and France have sent several hundred “defence advisors” to train and support the anti-Gadhafi forces in oil-rich Eastern Libya where “rebels armed groups” have apparently taken over. According to an exclusive report confirmed by a Libyan diplomat in the region “the three Western states have landed their “special forces troops in Cyrinacia and are now setting up their bases and training centres” to reinforce the rebel forces who are resisting pro-Qaddafi forces in several adjoining areas. A Libyan official who requested not to be identified said that the U.S. and British military gurus were sent on February 23 and 24 night through American and French warships and small naval boats off Libyan ports of Benghazi and Tobruk. The Western forces are reportedly preparing to set-up training bases for local militias set-up by the rebel forces for an effective control of the oil-rich region and counter any push by pro- Qaddafi forces from Tripoli. http://pakobserver.net/detailnews.asp?id=78009, "no boots on the ground" meant combat soldiers, I think few doubted we'd be sending NOBODY.
Wednesday, August 24, 2011 2:30 PM
KWICKO
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)
Quote:Originally posted by Hero: While the result appears the same it took months rather then years to accomplish the goal. On the other hand it only cost us pennies on the dollar and no US casualties and no drawn out commitment.
Wednesday, August 24, 2011 4:35 PM
FREMDFIRMA
Wednesday, August 24, 2011 4:49 PM
Wednesday, August 24, 2011 5:00 PM
DREAMTROVE
Wednesday, August 24, 2011 5:11 PM
Wednesday, August 24, 2011 5:13 PM
Quote:Originally posted by Fremdfirma: Side thought to this: While I am absolutely not in favor of our so-called assistance bending them over via the IMF/WTO/whatever on a long-term basis... I am not at all above the idea of billing them, at least in part, for our support. -Frem I do not serve the Blind God.
Wednesday, August 24, 2011 5:40 PM
Quote:Originally posted by Kwicko: Quote:Originally posted by Fremdfirma: Side thought to this: While I am absolutely not in favor of our so-called assistance bending them over via the IMF/WTO/whatever on a long-term basis... I am not at all above the idea of billing them, at least in part, for our support. -Frem I do not serve the Blind God. I wouldn't bill them; I'd simply ask that one day they repay the kindness if they can. And that repayment can take the form of cash, or cheap oil, or help in the region, or simply not interfering at times. "Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill
Wednesday, August 24, 2011 8:51 PM
Thursday, August 25, 2011 4:48 AM
KPO
Sometimes you own the libs. Sometimes, the libs own you.
Quote:While the result appears the same it took months rather then weeks to accomplish the goal.
Quote:Obama did not do much, so he gets no credit.
Thursday, August 25, 2011 6:40 AM
Thursday, August 25, 2011 6:57 AM
Thursday, August 25, 2011 1:29 PM
Quote:Originally posted by dreamtrove: Mike Whenever we try to help, we fuck it up. We're a better friend if we get out of their hair. That's what a ship is, you know - it's not just a keel and a hull and a deck and sails, that's what a ship needs.
Thursday, August 25, 2011 4:42 PM
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