Obama to offer up jobs plan, just as soon as he gets back from vacation... by AURaptor

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)

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Prairie Chapel Ranch is a 1,583 acre (6.4 km²) ranch in unincorporated McLennan County, Texas, located seven miles (10 km) northwest of Crawford.

The property was acquired by President George W. Bush in 1999 and was known as the Western White House during his Presidency.

Do you remember where his primary residence was in 1999? (Hint: it wasn't Crawford. Hint #2: it burned down a few years back in a still-unsolved arson attack).

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Bush spends vacation time at the house where he has also entertained dignitaries from around the world.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prairie_Chapel_Ranch

Hardly on par with a 10 day, $ 35-50K a week rental, on Martha's Vineyard.

Yes, it seems Bush lives a much more lavish lifestyle than the Obamas do.

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Thursday, September 1, 2011 2:10 PM

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Neither of your points is relevant or valid.

He owned the ranch in Crawford, before he even was elected President. Primary residence or not, it was HIS house.

A ranch in Crawford TX is more 'lavish' than a 28.5 acre, $ 50,000 a week rental on Martha's Vineyard ? Really?

Wow.

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Thursday, September 1, 2011 2:16 PM

ANTHONYT

Freedom is Important because People are Important

Hello,

I'm not even sure why this is being argued anymore. The issue of time off has already been settled. Bush had more at this same interval. Bush had to fly across country to attend his vacation at home. Bush had an equally large entourage to accommodate.

All presidential vacations are exceedingly costly.

Why is the issue of vacations still being argued? It's a no-win scenario.

In fact, this whole thread is moot. The title is, "Obama to offer up jobs plan, just as soon as he gets back from vacation..."

And that's not even true in any particular.

Perhaps, "Obama to offer up jobs plan on the earliest joint session of Congress where the GOP allows it."

--Anthony

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Thursday, September 1, 2011 2:31 PM

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

Obviously you're right, Anthony, but none of this should come as any surprise. Raptor snarks, Mike snarks back, and they go on forever arguing the minutia. Nothing new. And yes, when you come right down to it, "on the earliest joint session of Congress where the GOP allows it." They could have come back from recess on Tuesday, they could have scheduled different times for GOP debate and speech on Wednesday, but none of those were acceptable. The American people don't give a flying fuck WHEN he gives the speech, it's only the media who are making a huge deal out of it. I can't get any other friggin' NEWS today, dammit!

You'll never get Rap or Mike to change, you know that. The point has been proven--and the point in the very first place, as you know, was not about the jobs plan, it was about getting in a snark about Obama being on vacation. So the whole THREAD is moot in that respect.

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Thursday, September 1, 2011 2:32 PM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Neither of your points is relevant or valid.

He owned the ranch in Crawford, before he even was elected President. Primary residence or not, it was HIS house.

Yes, he bought a 1500-acre ranch while he was still Governor, still living in Austin. It was "HIS" in the sense that he owned it, not in the sense that he lived there. And the Obamas rent a place on the Vineyard, so it's theirs when they rent it, and serves as THEIR house.

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A ranch in Crawford TX is more 'lavish' than a 28.5 acre, $ 50,000 a week rental on Martha's Vineyard ? Really?

Yeah, I'd say buying a 1500-acre ranch is more lavish than renting a house on Martha's Vineyard for a couple weeks.

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Thursday, September 1, 2011 2:33 PM

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

Geezer, from what I read, the Georgia Plan is such that unemployed persons don't GET unemployment unless they accept the plan; Obama's plan doesn't seem to have that aspect. That's the difference I see.

I get the "jobs go overseas" thing, but I balk at the idea of 5%, which isn't specified in Obama's plan, from what I can see.

I recognize you see no difference, but I think the Republicans would...I also think the Republicans would nix ANYTHING Obama proposes, even if the wording were precisely the same. Look how many of their own proposals and things they backed initially they now reject because Obama has proposed them.

We'll just have to wait and see. Wanna put ten bucks on it?

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Thursday, September 1, 2011 2:33 PM

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Originally posted by Niki2:

You'll never get Rap or Mike to change, you know that. The point has been proven--and the point in the very first place, as you know, was not about the jobs plan, it was about getting in a snark about Obama being on vacation. So the whole THREAD is moot in that respect.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but weren't you in on that whole "who took more vacation time" thing, too?

Or is it just different when you're doing it?

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Thursday, September 1, 2011 2:39 PM

America loves a winner!

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Thursday, September 1, 2011 2:48 PM

ANTHONYT

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Originally posted by Niki2:

You'll never get Rap or Mike to change, you know that. The point has been proven--and the point in the very first place, as you know, was not about the jobs plan, it was about getting in a snark about Obama being on vacation. So the whole THREAD is moot in that respect.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but weren't you in on that whole "who took more vacation time" thing, too?

Or is it just different when you're doing it?

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill

Hello,

Actually, I probably stopped contributing anything worthwhile to this thread a while back myself. I too have fallen into the cycle of pointlessly disagreeing with someone who will never see my viewpoint or even care that I have one.

I guess that makes me just as bad.

--Anthony

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Thursday, September 1, 2011 3:44 PM

Keep the Shiny side up

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Originally posted by Niki2:
Geezer, from what I read, the Georgia Plan is such that unemployed persons don't GET unemployment unless they accept the plan; Obama's plan doesn't seem to have that aspect. That's the difference I see.

"Obama has applauded a program under way in Georgia in which jobless benefits go to employers who hire the unemployed as trainees."

Seems Pres. Obama likes the Georgia Plan. No note in the HuffPost article about any changes to it.

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I get the "jobs go overseas" thing, but I balk at the idea of 5%, which isn't specified in Obama's plan, from what I can see.

That's because, as far as I can see, Pres. Obama hasn't given any specifics. We'll find out next Thursday.

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I recognize you see no difference, but I think the Republicans would...I also think the Republicans would nix ANYTHING Obama proposes, even if the wording were precisely the same. Look how many of their own proposals and things they backed initially they now reject because Obama has proposed them.

We'll just have to wait and see. Wanna put ten bucks on it?

Depending on what Pres. Obama proposes, the Republicans may nix a good bit of it, especially if he goes the brinksmanship route and proposes stuff he knows will get nixed just so he can make political capital out of it for the 2012 election. Will a Democratic strategy that leaves the unemployment rate at 9%+ until 2013, at least, just to make political hay impress you?

I suggest that if Pres. Obama proposes the Georgia Plan, a serious reduction on corporate taxes for foreign profits repatriated, and significant payroll tax reduction for employers, that those specific proposals will at least be on the table for discussion rather than meeting a flat rejection.

Again, we'll see.

"Keep the Shiny side up"

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Thursday, September 1, 2011 3:49 PM

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

Oh, absolutely Mike; I took the time to look up specific facts to present in order to rebut Raptor's claims. I even took the time to find out how many "vacation days" Bush spent AT Crawford and subtract that to show he took more days than Obama even discounting Crawford. I've said before that I'll refute his lies, but I won't keep going with it 'cuz I know he'll just repeat the same lies and try to find ways to weasel it so he can say he's right.

After that I went back to debating the jobs plan with Geezer, while enjoying some snarks at Raptor along the way, while you and Raptor went right on fighting tooth and nail about "vacation days". Hey, I'm allowed to argue as much as anyone, but I TRY to know when to quit and turn to mocking Raptor AND hav a real conversation with someone else. That's the difference. Listen, you enjoy doing what you do, that's fine, but I think it's funny you let him lead you around by the nose so much and he gets you to engage, so I joke about it. That's all.

Geezer, I'll bet you dollars to donuts the Republicans would nix anything and everything Obama offered. You only have to look at recent past history--hell, the entire "history" of Obama's Presidency thus far, to see they've never agreed with ANYTHING, they've fought him tooth and nail on EVERYTHING, including, again, things they proposed intially themselves or were initially in favor of. That kinda tells the tale; that Obama is stupid enough to go on trying to appease them in hopes of SOMETHING "bipartisan" is his own stupidity...or stubbornness...or both, I don't know which.

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Thursday, September 1, 2011 6:24 PM

MAGONSDAUGHTER

So Presidents are supposed to work for their 4 - 8 year term without holidays? How is that healthy for your country?

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Thursday, September 1, 2011 11:09 PM

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DOJ Advises Gibson Guitar to Export Labor to Madagascar or Obama Will Put Them Out of Business and Send Them to Jail

It seems that the Department of Justice wasn’t satisfied with merely raiding the law abiding factories of Gibson Guitar with armed agents, shutting down their operation costing them millions, and leaving the American company in the dark as to how to proceed without going out of business.

Now, according to CEO Henry Juszkiewicz, agents of the United States government are bluntly informing them that they’d be better off shipping their manufacturing labor overseas.

In an interview with KMJ AM’s “The Chris Daniel Show,” Juszkiewicz revealed some startling information.

CHRIS DANIEL: Mr. Juszkiewicz, did an agent of the US government suggest to you that your problems would go away if you used Madagascar labor instead of American labor?

HENRY JUSZKIEWICZ: They actually wrote that in a pleading.

CHRIS DANIEL: Excuse me?

HENRY JUSKIEWICZ: They actually wrote that it a pleading.

CHRIS DANIEL: That your problems would go away if you used Madagascar labor instead of our labor?

HENRY JUSKIEWICZ: Yes

So the government attacked them in the first place by citing obscure regulations that probably weren’t violated about importation of wood. Now they are suggesting that all these problems would go away if they simply exported their labor.

Had it simply been said in passing by an agent, one could write it off as a lone sarcastic agent, trying to push buttons. But the fact that they actually wrote it in the pleading is a level of hubris that goes well beyond over zealous law enforcement officials and passes straight into what can easily be translated as an out of control and corrupt targeting of an American corporation.

When President Obama gives his jobs speech next week, let’s hope he has an answer for why our government would want to force and coerce corporations to send jobs overseas.

Here’s the audio of the CEO making the incredible allegation:
http://benhoweblog.files.wordpress.com/2011/09/gibson.mp3

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Obama Labor Boss Buys Canadian-Built Car

To show her support for American workers, President Obama's labor secretary, Hilda Solis, has junked the standard black limo and purchased a new Chevrolet Equinox to ride around Washington in. The problem: the crossover SUV is built and assembled in Canada from parts also made in Canada.

Solis proudly arrived at a media breakfast hosted by the Christian Science Monitor today in the shiny silver vehicle, which she has dubbed the "bullet." She was asked about why she traded the standard-issue limo for the SUV. "What better example could I set if I encouraged my staff to go and purchase and seek how we could acquire a vehicle that would for me would send a signal that we're for supporting our American workers, American-made products, fuel efficient as well," she told the Monitor's Dave Cook, who provided this video of her answer.

[Check out political cartoons about the economy.]

Solis added that she was inspired to buy the Chevy because of the pride she saw in American auto workers during trips to U.S. car and truck plants. She said that she was wowed by "the pride that they take making our automobiles here in America."

The car is made at two Canadian plants and has been so popular that General Motors has been hiring more workers in Canada to keep up with demand. [See who's in Obama's inner circle.]

A company official noted that the profits do come back to the United States.

Solis did note that the Equinox, which she's driven once, is a nice ride. "It drives well. It's a good family car. Its not too big and I think women really like it."

Update: When Whispers notified her office that her “American-made” car was actually Canadian, Labor spokesman Carl Fillichio said, “Modern automobile manufacturing is a global industry and General Motors is a company whose reach extends far beyond the boundaries of the United States. We don't give a fuck about you Little Sheeple. Now go play with your Obama doll and suck your thumb like a good slave."

http://www.usnews.com/news/washington-whispers/articles/2011/08/31/oba
ma-labor-boss-buys-canadian-built-car

Obama Jobs Bus Tour Using Canadian Bus

WASHINGTON -- President Obama is barnstorming the heartland to boost US jobs in a taxpayer-financed luxury bus the government had custom built -- in Canada, The Post has learned.

The $1.1 million vehicle, one of two that Quebec-based Prevost sold the government, has been tricked out by the Secret Service with state-of-the-art security features and creature comforts.
It's a VIP H3-45 model, the company's top of the line, and is used by major traveling rock bands.

"That's the more luxurious model," Christine Garant of Prevost told The Post.

"When we have the Country Music Awards, we sometimes see a lot of them," she said, noting that Kid Rock, David Lee Roth and Kenny Rogers also have owned them.

Obama's new ride is equipped to carry all the baggage a president needs -- including the "football" that allows him to remotely control US nuclear weapons.

There's electronic equipment allowing Obama to communicate and teleconference worldwide.

Like his GM-built limousine, nicknamed "The Beast," the bus has armored doors.

The president also has large flat-screen TV sets and comfortable couches.

There's a bathroom, but unlike on Air Force One, no sleeping area.

The bus was ordered by the Secret Service in July 2010 and delivered two months ago.

The feds bought the two coaches for $2.2 million from Hemphill Brothers Coach, based in Tennessee. It installed custom interior upgrades into the Prevost shell, which accounted for about half the cost.

The contract lists the country of origin as Canada and place of manufacture as "outside U.S. - Trade Agreements," a possible reference to the North American Free Trade Agreement.

Hemphill wouldn't comment on the bus. But an ad on its Web site for a similar bus costing $100,000 less than what has been dubbed "Greyhound One" boasts: "This coach is appointed with the finest materials and the latest in high tech electronics and was built for a top entertainer to travel efficiently without losing the luxuries of home.
"It is the perfect coach for entertainers, sports stars, NASCAR drivers, executive travel, or anyone accustomed to the very best."

Ed Donovan, a Secret Service spokesman, said, "There are certain security and communications equipment that we'll have in there. It's just a better situation for us rather than leasing something and then putting in temporary equipment."

Hemphill Brothers lists Beyoncé, Cher, KISS, Van Halen, Jennifer Lopez, Lady Gaga, and Pope Benedict XVI as clients on its Web site.

The Secret Service says the buses will be available to other protectees who travel by bus, which could include the 2012 GOP presidential nominee.

www.nypost.com/p/news/national/canucklehead_obama_bus_ted_gyztvw89k5My
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Friday, September 2, 2011 12:43 AM

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So Presidents are supposed to work for their 4 - 8 year term without holidays? How is that healthy for your country?

You've missed the point of this entire thread.

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Friday, September 2, 2011 1:45 AM

MAGONSDAUGHTER

There was a point?

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Friday, September 2, 2011 3:56 AM

Keep the Shiny side up

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Originally posted by Niki2:
You only have to look at recent past history--hell, the entire "history" of Obama's Presidency thus far, to see they've never agreed with ANYTHING, they've fought him tooth and nail on EVERYTHING, including, again, things they proposed intially themselves or were initially in favor of.

"WASHINGTON (AP) — Acting with uncommon speed, Congress sent President Barack Obama sweeping, bipartisan legislation late Thursday to avoid a Jan. 1 spike in income taxes for millions and renew jobless benefits for victims of the worst recession in 80 years."
http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2010/12/17/congress-has-moment-of-clarity-
on-tax-legislation/

"Bi-partisan legislation creating a US covered bond market has been reported out to the House floor and has a good chance of being passed during the final months of the 112th Congress. The legislation is designed to enhance liquidity in the secondary markets, reduce financing pressure, and more broadly reform the mortgage-backed securitization process. The United States Covered Bond Act, HR 5823, is sponsored by Rep. Scott Garrett (R-NJ) and co-sponsored by Rep. Paul Kanjorski (D-PA), Chair of the Capital Markets Subcommittee and House Financial Services Committee Ranking Member Spencer Bachus (R-AL)."
http://jimhamiltonblog.blogspot.com/2010/10/bi-partisan-legislation-cr
eating-us.html

And for a chuckle:
"Congress, White House join to enact bi-partisan Postal legislation - 12 PO's get new names!

Who says we have a gridlocked, do nothing Congress? Before leaving Washington for their well-deserved August vacation, your representatives passed and sent to the President sweeping postal reform legislation. Well, it wasn’t exactly sweeping, and all it “reformed” was the names of twelve post offices. But still! No wonder they need a month off!"
http://www.postalnewsblog.com/2011/08/24/congress-white-house-join-to-
enact-bipartisan-postal-legislation-12-pos-get-new-names/

So ANYTHING and EVERYTHING is a bit of hyperbole.

But really, if you google 'bi-partisan legislation', you'll find a lot out there. Sure, a lot of it doesn't become law, but then most proposed legislation doesn't get to the president's desk either.

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Friday, September 2, 2011 4:56 AM

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

"Bi-partisan" can mean as little as one member of the other side. I'm assuming that post was a joke, given the post office and no information as to whether the bond legislation eventually passed or not. I could be wrong. So let's say not "all" or "everything", rather "the vast majority of things and virtually every important issue."

I don't wish to investigate the one that got to the President's desk which was important, but I'm not surprised to hear Dems were left out of it for the most part, and that it became a choice of "“We stand today with only one choice: Pay the ransom now or pay more ransom later." I never said they did absolutely nothing, I said they rejected everything Obama and the Dems proposed and meant they never agreed with HIM on anything HE PROPOSED.

If that's the only "important" legislation you can cite, one that was ransom, one unimportant postal bill and one we don't know whether it passed or not, that kinda makes my point, which is why I think your post is a joke, given your "No wonder they need a month off!"

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Friday, September 2, 2011 6:19 AM

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Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:
So Presidents are supposed to work for their 4 - 8 year term without holidays? How is that healthy for your country?

You've missed the point of this entire thread.

" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

Which boils down to "Rappy hates Obama" and little else.

"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

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Friday, September 2, 2011 7:49 AM

Keep the Shiny side up

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If that's the only "important" legislation you can cite, one that was ransom, one unimportant postal bill and one we don't know whether it passed or not, that kinda makes my point, which is why I think your post is a joke, given your "No wonder they need a month off!"

That was the first three on google. Seemed a fair sample. As I noted, if you goggle "bi-partisan legislation" you'll find a good bit more.

The "Bi-partisan legislation creating a US covered bond market has been reported out to the House floor and has a good chance of being passed during the final months of the 112th Congress." hasn't passed because it's not expected to be done prior to "the final months of the 112th Congress" which would be next year.

Per Thomas.gov, the 111th Congress sent 387 bills to Pres. Obama to sign and there's been 28 in the brief time the 112th Congress has been in session. Go to Thomas.gov and review legislation sent for presidential signature, and you'll find that a good percentage is for renaming post offices, providing commemorative coins, Issuing a gold medal to Arnold Palmer (H.R. 1243, 111th congress), etc. Review the Co-sponsors on legislation and you'll see many with both Democrats and Republicans signed on.

Doesn't matter. It seems that you have the "REPUBLICANS are EVIL" goggles on so firmly, and have been chugging the liberal "REPUBLICANS are STOPPING EVERYTHING" propaganda so hard, that nothing will convince you otherwise.

BTW It wasn't my "No wonder they need a month off!" That was part of the article.

"Keep the Shiny side up"

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Friday, September 2, 2011 8:25 AM

They may not have stopped everything, Geezer, but they've come damned close. When they start fighting their own proposals just because the Dems agree with them - there is some serious derangement going on.

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Friday, September 2, 2011 11:27 AM

Feels like it's just about time for Rappy to bail from this thread, and start an equally deranged thread saying the same thing, but without all those pesky facts messing up his tantrum....

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Friday, September 2, 2011 11:42 AM

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Which boils down to "Rappy hates Obama" and little else.

Well, I do hate his policies, that's no lie. But the point being, he's offering nothing new, and refuses to deal w/ the issue of jobs, despite his rhetoric. The media casually ignores / forgets his proclamation of just a year ago, and generally refuses to call him out on it.

Were this any GOP President, he'd be getting grilled over this. Obama ? Meh.

But by all means...it's all about 'hating' Obama, right ?

Oh, and I'm guessing it's ONLY because he's black.

So predictable.

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Friday, September 2, 2011 1:55 PM

Keep the Shiny side up

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Originally posted by Storymark:
When they start fighting their own proposals just because the Dems agree with them - there is some serious derangement going on.

In the jobs plan instance, since Pres. Obama hasn't actually proposed anything, and the Republicans haven't rejected any of it, I'd say that your conclusion is kind of premature.

I don't believe that the Republicans will have many problems with the "Georgia Plan" or payroll tax reductions if he proposes them, just because they'd get too much grief for doing a u-turn on stuff they already proposed.

I'm more concerned that Pres. Obama will do as some in his party wish, and propose stuff he knows that the Republicans won't accept, just to further polarize things and energize his base for 2012. Since he didn't stand up to the Republicans much during the 111th Congress or much in the 112th, he may feel he has to show resolve now to improve his chances of re-election.

"Keep the Shiny side up"

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Friday, September 2, 2011 3:00 PM

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Originally posted by Geezer:

Per Thomas.gov, the 111th Congress sent 387 bills to Pres. Obama to sign and there's been 28 in the brief time the 112th Congress has been in session.

Being as a session is two years, the 111th Congress sent a bill to the President on average every two days. A little less than two days, in fact.

The 112th has sent 28 in nearly nine months - about one every ten days.

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Friday, September 2, 2011 4:05 PM

Keep the Shiny side up

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Being as a session is two years, the 111th Congress sent a bill to the President on average every two days. A little less than two days, in fact.

The 112th has sent 28 in nearly nine months - about one every ten days.

Could be. I'd rather do it as percentage of bills submitted vs. sent for signature, but Thomas.com appears to be limited to listing 1000 bills submitted per house and 1000 per senate for each congressional term, and they're maxed out for both 111th and 112th sessions.

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Saturday, September 3, 2011 4:27 AM

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

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It seems that you have the "REPUBLICANS are EVIL" goggles on so firmly, and have been chugging the liberal "REPUBLICANS are STOPPING EVERYTHING" propaganda so hard, that nothing will convince you otherwise.

Gawd I get tired of that shit. WHY it is so impossible to conceive of people liking or disliking things because of the things themselves, that it must mean they're blind, chugging propaganda, etc., etc.

The Republicans labeled THEMSELVES the "Party of No". They talked about Obama's Waterloo. They have said straight out that they will fight everything he puts forth. If there's any propaganda running around where this is concerned, it's theirs, said by them.

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Republicans are nearly unanimous against nearly every legislative initiative brought up by Democrats.

"Republicans say polls suggest that they can oppose all of these initiatives by casting them into a broader critique of Democrats increasing the size of government and the budget deficit, even if their bills are individually popular with the public." http://politicalwire.com/archives/2010/07/26/republicans_embrace_party
_of_no_strategy.html folks like to call us the party of ‘no.’ Well, I say ‘No’ is way underrated in Washington, D.C. Sometimes ‘No’ is just what this town needs to hear." http://theplumline.whorunsgov.com/health-care/gop-rep-pence-were-the-p
arty-of-no-and-proud-of-it/]
Some in the GOP balked at Newt Gingrich's rebranding of it as the "Party of Yes" at the Southern Republican Leadership Conference in New Orleans, observers say.

After Gingrich urged attendees Thursday to drop the antithesis "party of no" label by focusing on their own ideas rather than reacting to Democratic ideas, former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin and Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal Friday distanced themselves from the former House Speaker, saying their party shouldn't apologize for the moniker, The Hill reported.

"Let's be clear: A bad idea is a bad idea, and shame on us for being afraid to say so," Jindal said. He added that, when it comes to bad ideas, "We shouldn't just be the 'party of no,' we should be the 'party of hell no.'" http://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2010/04/09/Some-Republicans-embrace-Par
ty-of-No/UPI-10431270860048/]

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Saturday, September 3, 2011 9:49 AM

Keep the Shiny side up

Quote:
Originally posted by Niki2:

The Republicans labeled THEMSELVES the "Party of No".

Well, a few did. Three, per your cites. Pence, Palin, and Jindal. and that was all a year and a half ago.

Actually most references to the "Party of No" I find are in Huffington Post and liberal blogs. It's sort'a like the "Jobs, Jobs, Jobs!!" and "Pay-for-Play" you love to quote. They're all over liberal sites - Republican sites, not so much.

"Keep the Shiny side up"

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Saturday, September 3, 2011 1:44 PM

JONGSSTRAW

Obama's the greatest President ever....he rocks!!

** Respect kudos if you can name the second to last gal who dances in front of Barack when they all pass by him.

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Sunday, September 4, 2011 6:07 AM

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

Geezer, of COURSE the other side makes hay on anything their opponents do which they can use to their own benefit. Both do. Nobody's arguing that. I merely pointed out that Republicans called themselves the Party of No. Doesn't matter how many did or didn't. How long ago doesn't matter either; it's the point that they DID call themselves that, nothing more.

I don't "love to quote". I debate. You made a statement, I showed it was false. That's debating. If you back up your claims, that's one thing; stating your own beliefs to deny things which are proven to be true is just arguing.

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Sunday, September 4, 2011 6:25 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

"Well, a few did. Three, per your cites. Pence, Palin, and Jindal. and that was all a year and a half ago."

Geezer is going down the same road of extreme partisanship leading to complete denial of reality that Rappy headed down. We're even getting the same kinds of arguments. This is exactly like the argument Rappy made when it was pointed out to him that it was the Teabaggers who gave themselves their name by referring to their tactics as 'teabagging'. Here it is even a more direct self-identification. Geezer's response? Well it was only three that you pointed out and it was too long ago to count - a whole year and a half.

So, Geezer, what are you going to do? Deny that repubs called themselves that if every single one didn't? Want to go further down that road?

Really, I dn't care how you manage your sanity. But Rappy had more than one fair warning and went down that road anyway (or maybe it was b/c of who warned him, which I find a deliciously effective way to get someone to self-destruct). So I'll be curious to see what you do.

Remember when teachers, public employees, Planned Parenthood, NPR and PBS crashed the stock market, wiped out half of our 401Ks, took trillions in taxpayer funded bailouts, spilled oil in the Gulf of Mexico, gave themselves billions in bonuses, and paid no taxes?

Yeah, me neither....

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Sunday, September 4, 2011 6:57 AM

It's also quite cute that Geezer keeps blathering on about who's chugging the partisan Kool-Aid, while he keeps on accusing others of acting just like all liberals do. It's quite akin to Wulfie's repeated whining that "all liberals" keep lumping him into groups instead of dealing with him as an individual, and that's the whole problem with all liberals and progressives.

It's the biggest part of why I don't take Geezer any more seriously than I do Wulfie or or Rappy, and why I don't give him any more credence than I give them. He's really no different at all, except that MAYBE he does a bit less of the name-calling than Rappy does. Maybe.

BTW, it seems that when Geezer gives three cites, he sums it up thusly:

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That was the first three on google. Seemed a fair sample.

Yet when Niki responds with three of her own, they're quickly dismissed as "only three" and "a year and a half ago".

So three's a fair sample out of thousands of pieces of proposed legislation, yet too few when citing GOP leadership claiming the mantle of "The Party of No".

And Geezer says WE'RE the ones spinning things...

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill

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Sunday, September 4, 2011 7:03 AM

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Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
Obama's the greatest President ever....he rocks!!

** Respect kudos if you can name the second to last gal who dances in front of Barack when they all pass by him.

Is this one of those "because they all look alike" jokes? How quaint.

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Sunday, September 4, 2011 7:17 AM

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

Thank you, Kiki and Mike. A nice little dichotomy, isn't it? Yes, I've about given up on Geezer too. More and more he resembles Raptor, which has more and more lessened my respect for him. It's about gone at this point.

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Sunday, September 4, 2011 8:06 AM

Keep the Shiny side up

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Originally posted by 1kiki:
"Well, a few did. Three, per your cites. Pence, Palin, and Jindal. and that was all a year and a half ago."

Yep. if Niki can say stuff like "If that's the only "important" legislation you can cite, one that was ransom, one unimportant postal bill and one we don't know whether it passed or not, that kinda makes my point..." when I give a few examples, seens only right I should have the same privilege.

"Keep the Shiny side up"

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Sunday, September 4, 2011 8:16 AM

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

Sadly, it's obvious you don't get the difference between posting three examples, one of which isn't an "example" because we don't know if it passed, one of which was "forced bipartisanship" and one of which was a small matter regarding the Post office, and citing three examples of actual Republicans who actually said they were the Party of No publicly.

Your examples were to refute that Republicans had fought everything Obama proposed; I don't believe these examples refuted that statement. My examples were to show that some Republicans DID call their own party "The Party of No", and I cited specific, factual examples of three who did--in fact one wanted to call them the Party of Hell No, which is taking it one step further.

I know you don't see the difference, it's just sad that you can't.

This place is pretty dead--was yesterday too from the look of it. I've posted to a few threads, hunted around for stuff to put up that might interest someone, and now I'm off until tomorrow. Enjoy!

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Sunday, September 4, 2011 8:18 AM

Keep the Shiny side up

Quote:
Originally posted by Niki2:
I merely pointed out that Republicans called themselves the Party of No.

Nope.

Quote:
The Republicans labeled THEMSELVES the "Party of No".

Somewhat of a difference.

Sort'a like:

"The people in Marin County labeled themselves elitist."

vs.

"People in Marin County labeled themselves elitist"

"Keep the Shiny side up"

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Sunday, September 4, 2011 9:01 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

Geezer

I see you're digging yourself in deeper into crazy-land. At least I didn't have to wait too long for my answer.

Keep up the good work!

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Yeah, me neither....

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Sunday, September 4, 2011 12:03 PM

JONGSSTRAW

Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:

Is this one of those "because they all look alike" jokes? How quaint.

The next to last Shindig dancer was Teri Garr. I'm not aware that anyone else looks like her. Did you perhaps confuse dancers with singers, and then throw some racist thing back at me? Nice.

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Sunday, September 4, 2011 1:50 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:

Is this one of those "because they all look alike" jokes? How quaint.

The next to last Shindig dancer was Teri Garr. I'm not aware that anyone else looks like her. Did you perhaps confuse dancers with singers, and then throw some racist thing back at me? Nice.

No, I responded to the words you posted:

Quote:
Originally posted by Jongsstraw:

Obama's the greatest President ever....he rocks!!

** Respect kudos if you can name the second to last gal who dances in front of Barack when they all pass by him.

Are you trying to say that you actually thought Barack Obama was performing under the name Marvin Gaye in 1964?

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Sunday, September 4, 2011 1:54 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Geezer:
Quote:
Originally posted by Niki2:
I merely pointed out that Republicans called themselves the Party of No.

Nope.

Quote:
The Republicans labeled THEMSELVES the "Party of No".

Somewhat of a difference.

Sort'a like:

"The people in Marin County labeled themselves elitist."

vs.

"People in Marin County labeled themselves elitist"

Or like "It seems that you have the "REPUBLICANS are EVIL" goggles on so firmly, and have been chugging the liberal "REPUBLICANS are STOPPING EVERYTHING" propaganda so hard, that nothing will convince you otherwise."

Seems you're saying ALL liberals are propagandists, not just SOME. ;)

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Sunday, September 4, 2011 2:01 PM

JONGSSTRAW

Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:
Are you trying to say that you actually thought Barack Obama was performing under the name Marvin Gaye in 1964?

Gosh what a mistake! It was the actual hitch hiking moves that confused me so. Now I won't ever again make that error.

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Monday, September 5, 2011 9:22 AM

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

Just noticed something that passed apparently unnoticed. This, and other posts by Raptor, have been about Obama playing golf (o, the inhumanity of it all!) while on VACATION at Martha's Vineyards, and about Obama taking vacations in general.

Mike remarked

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the Obamas rent a home on Martha's Vineyard, so that's technically "home" for them as well as Chicago.

and Raptor responded

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True.

And perhaps the most honest and accurate thing you've ever posted on FFF.NET

Anthony called him on it, to which he never responded (probably in the hope nobody would notice, which nobody except Anthony did). So that kind of nullifies Raptor's every argument about Obama "vacationing" at Martha's Vineyards, doesn't it? Does that mean we won't hear that shit anymore? Could we BE that lucky?

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Monday, September 5, 2011 10:02 AM

America loves a winner!

Quote:
Originally posted by Niki2:

Anthony called him on it, to which he never responded (probably in the hope nobody would notice, which nobody except Anthony did). So that kind of nullifies Raptor's every argument about Obama "vacationing" at Martha's Vineyards, doesn't it? Does that mean we won't hear that shit anymore? Could we BE that lucky?

Perhaps if you'd wake up from your drug addled daze, you'd have not missed that I actually DID correct / clarify my remark.

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No, Chicago is every bit a 'vacation' to Obama as Crawford is for Bush. That's what I meant. A 'rental' for 10 days is not 'home'.

Pardon for the confusion.

As you were.

" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Monday, September 5, 2011 10:14 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

"Could we BE that lucky?"

Nope.

Remember when teachers, public employees, Planned Parenthood, NPR and PBS crashed the stock market, wiped out half of our 401Ks, took trillions in taxpayer funded bailouts, spilled oil in the Gulf of Mexico, gave themselves billions in bonuses, and paid no taxes?

Yeah, me neither....

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Monday, September 5, 2011 10:31 AM

FREMDFIRMA

I only got one thing to say here, and it's in regard to that whole "Republicans are eeevil!" thing.

If the shoe fits, motherfuckers...

-Frem

I do not serve the Blind God.

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Monday, September 5, 2011 10:38 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Fremdfirma:

I only got one thing to say here, and it's in regard to that whole "Republicans are eeevil!" thing.

If the shoe fits, motherfuckers...

-Frem

I do not serve the Blind God.

The "shoe" in their case being a knee-high jackboot, of course. ;)

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Monday, September 5, 2011 10:40 AM

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

Yup, I sometimes skip or skim your responses, especially to Mike since I figure it's just more of your back-and-forth snarking. Missed that one. Mea culpa.

So, a house Bush bought just before he took office, sold after he LEFT office, and only used for vacations, isn't a vacation home, it's a "real" home?

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At the close of the Bush presidency, the Bushes purchased a home in Dallas, TX. Laura Bush confirmed that they would make that their permanent residency, while spending weekends and holidays at the ranch.

In other words, it's STILL not his permanent residence, but a vacation home. He only had Crawford while he was President, neither before nor after, and only spent time there on vacations.

Obama, on the other hand, bought his Chicago home in 2005, making it his primary residence BEFORE he became President.

(Just having fun with this one, given you're so obsessive about all things Obama).

Response?

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