Attack Watch by Wulfenstar

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Attack Watch

POSTED BY: WULFENSTAR
UPDATED: Wednesday, September 14, 2011 15:40
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Wednesday, September 14, 2011 8:28 AM

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/blogpost/post/attack-watch-new-oba
ma-campaign-site-to-fight-smears-becomes-laughing-stock-of-the-internet/2011/09/14/gIQAspHDSK_blog.html

Really?

http://www.attackwatch.com/

If you are reduced to this, you have already lost.

"Hope is a good thing, maybe the best of things, and no good thing ever dies"

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Wednesday, September 14, 2011 8:53 AM

BYTEMITE

Sounds like a pretty similar concept to the Fight The Smear website. The only difference is that this one will draw alarmingly obsessive zealots from both sides to post on the Twitter account.

In other words, sounds like the worst most troll-laden community on the internet in the making, but probably not fearmongering any more than the previous site was.

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Wednesday, September 14, 2011 9:42 AM

WULFENSTAR

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg

So c'mon. Who has reported me? Or Rap?

Have you reported your friends yet?

Or your families?

"Hope is a good thing, maybe the best of things, and no good thing ever dies"

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Wednesday, September 14, 2011 9:49 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!

When MSNBC isn't doing it's job, start yet another propaganda wing of the White House.

" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Wednesday, September 14, 2011 9:52 AM

ANTHONYT

Freedom is Important because People are Important

Hello,

I wish the Democratic party would stop adopting the most foolish aspects of the opposition approach. Lately, it seems that whenever the Republicans have a poor demeanor or an asinine way to approach a problem, the Democrats are anxious to follow suit.

I wonder what repugnant Republican idea they will copy next?

--Anthony

_______________________________________________

“If you are not free to choose wrongly and irresponsibly, you are not free at all”

Jacob Hornberger

“Freedom is not worth having if it does not connote freedom to err. It passes my comprehension how human beings, be they ever so experienced and able, can delight in depriving other human beings of that precious right.”

Mahatma Gandhi

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Wednesday, September 14, 2011 9:59 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!

The 'Fight the Smear ' site was a Dem site. To which GOP idea are you referring ?

It seems like the Dems are copying their own repugnant ideas, and aren't waiting around for the GOP.

" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Wednesday, September 14, 2011 10:26 AM

BYTEMITE

Well, since Wulf seems to be interpreting this as a "enemy-of-the-nation inform on your family/neighbors thing" I'm going to say "Richard Nixon" as the trope codifier.

But frankly Anthony is right, both sides do this kind of stuff. Unless you believe Republicans never make websites that counter arguments against their platform?

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Wednesday, September 14, 2011 10:32 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!

Quote:
Originally posted by Bytemite:

But frankly Anthony is right, both sides do this kind of stuff. Unless you believe Republicans never make websites that counter arguments against their platform?

And I asked which concept the Dems have copied from the GOP. This seems to be the 2nd such site this White House has been involved with , and there's already the George Soros funded Media Matters.

What more does the Left need ? There's already Democraticunderground, thinkprogress, the daily kos...

" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Wednesday, September 14, 2011 10:34 AM

BYTEMITE

Both sides will make as many websites as they deem fit to reach their target audience. Freedom of Speech allows it.

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Wednesday, September 14, 2011 10:35 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!

Quote:
Originally posted by Bytemite:
Both sides will make as many websites as they deem fit to reach their target audience. Freedom of Speech allows it.

That's hardly addressing the issue. Wanna try again ?

" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Wednesday, September 14, 2011 10:50 AM

BYTEMITE

No, it's not addressing the issue, because I don't go to any Republican or Democratic websites, so I wouldn't know the first place to look for examples.

You want to challenge the assertion that it's a Republican idea that the Democrats stole, you're probably right there, but even though it's the issue you can defend and attack from, it's not the more important issue in this conversation. Rather, the more important issue is, as I said, that both sides do it.

Should I go back into history looking for the first Roman Senator who argued with a political opponent in an election? Who first figured out that you had to water crops for them to grow? Or, is it more possible (and likely) that the knowledge may have evolved in an analogous manner in different groups without needing a single source?

Common strategies in presidential campaigns are a similar story.

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Wednesday, September 14, 2011 10:58 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!

I guess my point is lost here, and should be spelled out. This is the 2nd such website the White House, THIS White House has promoted, had ties to, started, what ever, and Anthony made a comment that all they did was copy what the GOP had done.

I'm at a loss as to what the GOP has done which compares. Sure, every conceivable political view out there probably has 'some' web sites. But this, sanctioned by the President specifically, and tied to his re-election... I dunno. Seems a bit Orwellian.

" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Wednesday, September 14, 2011 11:08 AM

ANTHONYT

Freedom is Important because People are Important

Hello,

I intended to respond to Wulf's comment, but neglected to quote the text.

"So c'mon. Who has reported me? Or Rap?

Have you reported your friends yet?

Or your families?"

Surely it's obvious which Republican senator pioneered this type of behavior.

--Anthony

_______________________________________________

“If you are not free to choose wrongly and irresponsibly, you are not free at all”

Jacob Hornberger

“Freedom is not worth having if it does not connote freedom to err. It passes my comprehension how human beings, be they ever so experienced and able, can delight in depriving other human beings of that precious right.”

Mahatma Gandhi

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Wednesday, September 14, 2011 11:14 AM

BYTEMITE

Quote:
But this, sanctioned by the President specifically, and tied to his re-election... I dunno. Seems a bit Orwellian.

Again, they all do this.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/bush/website.asp

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Wednesday, September 14, 2011 11:30 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!

Quote:
Originally posted by Bytemite:
Quote:
But this, sanctioned by the President specifically, and tied to his re-election... I dunno. Seems a bit Orwellian.

Again, they all do this.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/bush/website.asp

Hardly apples to apples. It's not merely a site for the promotion of a particular candidate, but you don't want to deal w/ the issue anyways, so I'll leave it be.

" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Wednesday, September 14, 2011 11:36 AM

BYTEMITE

AttackWatch, while stupidly named, looks to me like it's just a site for people to field questions they heard from opposition candidates and receive answers from Obama's campaign.

Maybe there wasn't this level of interaction in previous incumbent presidents versions of their campaign websites, nor even quite so defensive a tone, but the underlying principle and purpose are the same.

It's not that I don't want to deal with the issue, it's that I think there's no issue period.

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Wednesday, September 14, 2011 11:43 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!

And when Obama launches yet another site, Re-electME2012, that'll be just like this Attack site too, huh?

" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Wednesday, September 14, 2011 11:44 AM

BYTEMITE

Probably, because with this much backlash off the starting gate, they're better off just scuttling the current site and starting over with a new not-stupid name.

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Wednesday, September 14, 2011 12:04 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!

Quote:
Originally posted by Bytemite:
Probably, because with this much backlash off the starting gate, they're better off just scuttling the current site and starting over with a new not-stupid name.

Think Obama sees it as 'backlash' ?

Huh.

" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Wednesday, September 14, 2011 1:14 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)

Quote:
Originally posted by Bytemite:
AttackWatch, while stupidly named, looks to me like it's just a site for people to field questions they heard from opposition candidates and receive answers from Obama's campaign.

Maybe there wasn't this level of interaction in previous incumbent presidents versions of their campaign websites, nor even quite so defensive a tone, but the underlying principle and purpose are the same.

It's not that I don't want to deal with the issue, it's that I think there's no issue period.

If the GOP did it, they wouldn't call it "AttackWatch" - they'd call it something like "PATRIOT Act" or some other ridiculous jingoistic name.

In fact, that is exactly what they called their version - it allows the White House to listen to anyone's calls, unwarranted, as well as demand to know what library books you checked out, what websites you've visited, etc.

Seems more than just a little bit Orwellian to me, but I'm assured it was all done by the GOP to "protect our freedoms". Apparently the only way they can be protected is if they're taken away from us and locked in a box somewhere.

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill

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Wednesday, September 14, 2011 1:29 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!

Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:

Seems more than just a little bit Orwellian to me, but I'm assured it was all done by the GOP to "protect our freedoms". Apparently the only way they can be protected is if they're taken away from us and locked in a box somewhere.

Why'd you bring up Social Security in this thread ?

" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Wednesday, September 14, 2011 1:36 PM

ANTHONYT

Freedom is Important because People are Important

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:

Seems more than just a little bit Orwellian to me, but I'm assured it was all done by the GOP to "protect our freedoms". Apparently the only way they can be protected is if they're taken away from us and locked in a box somewhere.

Why'd you bring up Social Security in this thread ?

" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

Hello,

Are you equating Social Security to a loss of freedom?

--Anthony

_______________________________________________

“If you are not free to choose wrongly and irresponsibly, you are not free at all”

Jacob Hornberger

“Freedom is not worth having if it does not connote freedom to err. It passes my comprehension how human beings, be they ever so experienced and able, can delight in depriving other human beings of that precious right.”

Mahatma Gandhi

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Wednesday, September 14, 2011 2:12 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!

Well, I for one have had no loss of freedoms, save for getting groped at the airport. It's only gotten worse, under Obama, but it sucks, through both administrations.

But my point was to mock the idea that our freedoms have been taken, in much the same way our $ has been, and " locked away " somewhere, to be kept safe, by our Imperial Federal Government.

So, to your question, in around about, humorous way, yes.

" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Wednesday, September 14, 2011 2:41 PM

FREMDFIRMA

Amazing, conservatives and teabaggers are even incompetent in their whining...

Yannow, if you were bitching about, say, the Southern Poverty Law Center, which has all but been co-opted as a federal agency intent on labelling anything conservative a terrorist threat or hate crime, you might, MIGHT just have a leg to stand on.

But no, you choose to whinge and whine about being TROLLED BY THE PRESIDENT, Well played, Obama - throw down the hook and watch them fight like angry pirahna to jump on it...

You know, YOU idiots and your peers are the best campaign ad Obama ever had, and maybe you should see to that, cause *I* think Obama is a wuss and a piss poor excuse for a president, and he's STILL a better choice than anything your "side" has offered, bloody morons.

And yes, I hate the SPLC as much or more than supposed conservatives do, cause it's not only political correctness gone mad, it's wobbling dangerously in the direction of federally supported infringements on our freedoms, and I don't take that shit from NOBODY, no matter who's side they're on, not do I accept it being done TO anybody, no matter how vile they are.

But anyhows, go on, whinge away at the pop-up target set there just to encourage you to make fools of yourselves, play right into Bidens hands (who is, despite the facade, ten times smarter than Obama and this is his idea, no doubt) and demean yourselves on cue...
I'll even bring popcorn.

-Frem

I do not serve the Blind God.

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Wednesday, September 14, 2011 3:40 PM

KWICKO

Hell, I get trolled by Obama on a semi-regular basis. Just today I got an e-mail from the President, asking - and I quote - "Michael, can we meet for dinner?"

I responded, of course. I was brief, as his time is rather valuable: "Depends. You buyin'?"

I haven't heard back.

Oh, and if Social Security were truly in a lockbox, it wouldn't have been able to be used to fund illegal wars for all these years, and we wouldn't be hearing now about how broke it is after it was squandered on idiotic grandstanding adventurism abroad.

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill

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