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Saturday, October 29, 2011 6:09 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


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Originally posted by AURaptor:


And yes, I'll dismiss the apples to apples attempted comparison of a country with 5.5 million people to one of some 300 million. Just not an equal or valid side by side, sorry.




Kill the messenger, eh? You don't like the findings, so the study must be flawed. SOP for the right.

It's really funny that you try to call it an invalid comparison by claiming you'll "dismiss the apples to apples" comparison. Seems apples to apples is quite a valid comparison.



"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill

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Saturday, October 29, 2011 6:20 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


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Originally posted by Kirkules:

Any objective look at the numbers clearly shows that the amount of opportunity created by those at the top of your chart is miniscule compared with that created by those at the bottom. If you take the combined GDP of Sweden, Denmark, Finland and Norway they only add up to about half the GDP of France. France alone created more wealth than four of your top five combined. US GDP is almost twice all countries on the chart combined.
You actually think that 80% of Danes in the service sector make their wealth providing services to the 20% in the remaining sectors. They make their wealth selling wooden shoes from Norway, Candy from Sweden and Lederhosen from Finland to rich Germans tourists.
If you compared those with equal education and skills you would find that workers in US are just as upwardly mobile as those in Denmark. Their small population and homogeneous culture make their population more educated and skilled on average than most other countries.
This may make a slanted look at the numbers show more upward mobility, but it actually just shows one of the benefits of a fully assimilated society like we had in the past when people came to the US to become educated Americans. Comparing dependent economies with the diversified, self sustaining economy of the US is just silly in my opinion and shows the statistics of desperation.




Go back and re-read the underlined parts. Does anyone else see the inherent contradiction in Kirk's (completely unsupported) claims?

Denmark is 80% service industry, barely industrialized at all, and 80% of the people make their living selling "wooden shoes from Norway, Candy from Sweden," etc.

Yet they are also more educated and more skilled on average than people in other countries.

Kirk, why do you think Denmark would spend so much time and money educating a nation of used-car salesmen? After all, that's basically what you're claiming here. They do nothing but serve "rich German tourists"; if that's so, surely they needn't be more highly educated and more skilled than those rich Germans, right?

By the way, this

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Comparing dependent economies with the diversified, self sustaining economy of the US is just silly in my opinion and shows the statistics of desperation.


REALLY smacks of desperation. It's laughable, because you claim Denmark is a dependent economy, and you also believe, in spite of trillions of dollars worth of evidence to the contrary, that the U.S. is a "diversified, self sustaining economy".

If we're self-sustaining, why are we borrowing so much money from overseas lenders? Why do we have such a massive trade deficit with China?

You seem particularly desperate to keep believing that the U.S. is the best at everything, when it's been shown time and again that we're really only the best at a very few things - murder, war, executions and imprisonment chief among them.

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill

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Monday, October 31, 2011 2:17 AM

CHRISISALL


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Originally posted by Kwicko:

If we're self-sustaining, why are we borrowing so much money from overseas lenders? Why do we have such a massive trade deficit with China?


Oh please, stop makin' sense, willya? You'll scare the rappyfolk.


The laughing Chrisisall


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Monday, October 31, 2011 5:32 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


DT
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It's not the end. It's a cyclical return to the historical norm.
Well. Then I'll expect to see a huge population crash, back to the historical norm of about a million peeps or so.

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Monday, October 31, 2011 11:39 AM

BYTEMITE


I believe that population norm was limited by the disease density relative to the medical practices of the time. Unless medical practice goes completely to hell in a theoretical overpopulation die-back model, which I suppose it could, there's little reason to conclude that one million is what current populations would stabilize at.

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Monday, October 31, 2011 12:03 PM

DREAMTROVE


There's not really a serious sign of anything holding the population back, we're a pretty new species. We're growing up to whatever our sustainable level is. Right now we have about 20 pounds of food per human, and eat about 1, so there's room. Yeah, we have a lot of diseases, but not as many as our ape ancestors, for obvious reasons. What we will become and where we will stablize is still unclear, but I think we're a pretty interesting species, and am not ready to get rid of us just yet.


That's what a ship is, you know - it's not just a keel and a hull and a deck and sails, that's what a ship needs.

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Monday, October 31, 2011 2:01 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


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that population norm was limited by the disease density relative to the medical practices of the time- Byte.

..we're a pretty new species- DT.

So then you should chuck the reference to "historical norms" into the trash?

In any case, I'll get back to you in 15 years or so, when I think we will be on the cusp of unprecedented depopulation. I personally believe you are both in the throes of denial.

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