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Originally posted by Niki2:
We'll have to agree to disagree on that one.

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
Even if a vaccine is found to be 99.9% free of harmful side effects, that still puts thousands of people at risk.

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Originally posted by canttakesky:
Here are two links that may shed light on the subject.

http://www.whale.to/v/coulter.html

http://www.vaccines.net/newpage11.htm

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
I was being such a conformist asshole.

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Originally posted by 1kiki:
children fed with cow's milk formula."

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Originally posted by canttakesky:
I can't tell if you're being sarcastic.

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Originally posted by Niki2:
It's not a perfect world. DIabetes has many potential causes, and people's systems differ. And what if we all gave up vaccinations, what do you think the death count would be then? I certainly agree that we don't need nearly as many vaccines as we're encouraged to get, and I don't. But to throw the baby out with the bathwater...no, thank you. We'll have to agree to disagree on that one.

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Originally posted by Storymark:


And hasn't the autism thing been soundly denounced?

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And hasn't the autism thing been soundly denounced? By everyone but the scientific giant that is Jenny McCarthy, that is.

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
So my Son 'developed' Type 1 diabetes.
No genetic predisposition in the family.
What was he exposed to the Wife & I weren't?
Two things: Milk (he drinks hormone-free) & vaccinations.
Diabetes is on the rise in more well-to-do areas (where it's more likely everyone 'has their shots').
It's on the rise in cold areas (where peeps are more likely vaccinated for 'cold season').
And after he was diagnosed it was advised he get a flu shot to avoid getting it, which he PROMPTLY did a few weeks later.

My conclusion? Vaccinations are a scam. A dangerous one. Some peeps die, others get autism, etc.

Also, diabetes began its sharp incline in the early eighties, like, you know, AIDS.
We make our own plagues now, no need for fleas & ticks.

Where are you Signy, I need your comments...


The laughing Chrisisall

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Originally posted by Storymark:
And hasn't the autism thing been soundly denounced? By everyone but the scientific giant that is Jenny McCarthy, that is.

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No, it hasn't. It has been soundly denounced by people who never needed much evidence to soundly denounce it to begin with.

The rest of us are still on the fence if not convinced there is a link.

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Originally posted by canttakesky:
I am convinced if he were vaccinated AND assaulted with neurotoxins AND exposed to heavy EMRs, he would be full blown autistic.

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Originally posted by Hero:
Did your son die of smallpox or polio?

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Hmm, the science seems to say

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Originally posted by AnthonyT:

The man who tortures himself for all his ignorant choices should only do so if he is God.

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Hmm, the science seems to say there is no connection.

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Ergo, their track record of disasters gives me NO faith in them whatever.

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Originally posted by 1kiki:
To use one example to label ALL studies as 'proving nothing' isn't very scientific.

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Originally posted by Storymark:
Hmm, the science seems to say there is no connection.

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Yeah, you can call it "science."

More accurately, the pseudoscience seems to say there is no connection.

Here is an example of why those studies prove nothing.

http://freedom2question.blogspot.com/2009/05/what-is-pseudoscience.

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Originally posted by 1kiki:
"He's not labeling all studies ..."

No, YOU are labeling all studies. "Here is an example of why those studies prove nothing."

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Originally posted by AnthonyT:
The people have been fooled before, and on so many occasions, that a declaration of the fact of gravity will have people buying parachutes, and a declaration about the spherical nature of the world will have people discarding their globes and atlases.

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What I was TRYING to point out was that there is a lot of evidence that's trending one way,

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I'm not sure why this thread suddenly degraded into personal insult. I think it is a bad trend. And a silly one.

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And like all believers, you have THE TRUTH. Because apparently, the process of investigation and result is meaningless to you.

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Originally posted by Hero:
Did your son die of smallpox or polio?

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Non-sequiter, your facts are uncoordinated. You will be sterilized.

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Actually if you read the original post he concludes that vaccines are a scam.

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Nature does sometimes suck all on its own.

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"Here is an example of why those studies prove nothing."

To use one example to label ALL studies as 'proving nothing' isn't very scientific.

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There are many individual studies as well as several meta-analytical studies that all show the same thing. Unless you address those as well you don't have a good case to make.

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Originally posted by m52nickerson:
I stopped reading when why they said "As an example, I will use a study frequently cited by government and health authorities as further "scientific" evidence that thimerosal (mercury) in vaccines do not cause autism."

Thimerosal is not mercury.

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Originally posted by AnthonyT:
I think the real factor at work here is this-

Many citizenry of this land no longer trust the country, nor the businesses which operate in this country, nor any institution created with a supposed concern for their welfare. This mistrust is so deep that it is easier for some to assume that a palliative is actually a poison if an authority claims the reverse. This is seen as preferable rather than believe the statements of government, corporations, or researchers whose motives are obscure and perceived as sinister.

The doubt runs so deep that it becomes a perverse twist upon The Emperor's New Clothes. If we see a clothed politician or businessman or their endorsing scientists, we assume that they are naked. So much does our mistrust command our senses, that any fact labeled by such people falls into question even against the evidence of our eyes. The people have been fooled before, and on so many occasions, that a declaration of the fact of gravity will have people buying parachutes, and a declaration about the spherical nature of the world will have people discarding their globes and atlases.

This is the problem. It is a profound loss of faith in the many multitudes of people that we rely upon for the truths we can't personally verify.

And most tragic of all is that this: They have earned this mistrust. They purchased this mistrust in regular payments of blood and betrayal.

It is a situation where we all lose.

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