Hey Occupy D.C ? Wakie Wakie ! Time to get up and move the HELL out! by AURaptor

America loves a winner!

FOX news is showing DC police, in full riot gear, lined up and ready to move in on the OCD camp.

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Saturday, February 4, 2012 3:21 AM

ANTHONYT

Freedom is Important because People are Important

Hello,

It sounds like there will be an unfortunate violent encounter soon. I know you share my disdain for the pain and suffering about to be endured.

--Anthony

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"In every war, the state enacts a tax of freedom upon the citizenry. The unspoken promise is that the tax shall be revoked at war's end. Endless war holds no such promise. Hence, Eternal War is Eternal Slavery." --Admiral Robert J. Henner

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Saturday, February 4, 2012 3:30 AM

WHOZIT

In this case they should call the Police "Pest Contol", they removing a bunch of cockroaches that bring sickness and filth.

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Saturday, February 4, 2012 4:21 AM

CAVETROLL

Have to disagree with you there Whozit. They have the right to peaceful protest. It is thinking like that which lead directly to the burning of the bonus army's "Hooverville" back during the great depression.

Not to mention that once you infringe on someone else's rights, you've opened the door to have your rights stepped on.

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Saturday, February 4, 2012 4:59 AM

Keep the Shiny side up

Looks like the Park Police are there to begin enforcing the ban on camping in the park. They will apparently allow a 24 hour vigil to continue, but will not allow camping or laying down bedding material.

They're also removing the blue tarp that had been draped over the statue of General McPherson, and signs etc., from the monument.

http://www.wtop.com/?nid=109&sid=2734685

"Keep the Shiny side up"

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Saturday, February 4, 2012 6:31 AM

America loves a winner!

Seems reasonable enough.

" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Sunday, February 5, 2012 7:39 AM

Keep the Shiny side up

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Even Occupy D.C. wants to watch the Super Bowl

WASHINGTON - Some things really are sacred. Occupy D.C. protesters are changing the time of their daily general assembly meeting Sunday so they can watch the Super Bowl.

After many tents were cleared from the park Saturday, the group held their normal 6 p.m. decision-making meeting and decided to move their Sunday meeting up to 4 p.m. to accommodate protesters who want to watch the game.

General Assembly meetings are held at Occupy camps around the nation and give all protesters an opportunity to speak and to play a role in making decisions about what the protesters will do.

http://www.wtop.com/?nid=109&sid=2735198

Even Occupy loves watching multi-millionaire football players and entertainers, I guess.

"Keep the Shiny side up"

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Sunday, February 5, 2012 7:42 AM

America loves a winner!

If a protester chants in the park, and no one is there to hear them, does anyone really care?

" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Sunday, February 5, 2012 9:49 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

Quote:
It sounds like there will be an unfortunate violent encounter soon. I know you share my disdain for the pain and suffering about to be endured.

Prize for first guffaw of the morning goes to Anthony. Obviously from his remarks in the Scott Olsen thread, Rap feels no such thing.

And thank you CaveTroll for speaking the truth of the matter. Obviously "full riot gear" is necessary for dispersing PEACEFUL protesters. The American Way.

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Sunday, February 5, 2012 10:07 AM

America loves a winner!

Quote:
Originally posted by Niki2: Obviously "full riot gear" is necessary for dispersing PEACEFUL protesters. The American Way.

If only...

NY: 10/1/2011 — Police Arrest More Than 700 Protesters on Brooklyn Bridge
Madison, WI: 10-27-2011 — Madison Occupiers Lose Permit Due to Public Masturbation
Phoenix: 10/28/2011 — Flier at Occupy Phoenix Asks, “When Should You Shoot a Cop?”
NY: 10/18/2011 — Thieves Preying on Fellow Protesters
NY: 10/9/2011 — Stinking up Wall Street: Protesters Accused of Living in Filth as Shocking Pictures Show One Demonstrator Defecating on a POLICE CAR
NY: 10/7/2011 — Occupiers Rush Police … More
Cleveland: 10/18/2011 — ‘Occupy Cleveland’ Protester Alleges She Was Raped
NY: 10/10/2011 — ‘Increasingly Debauched’: Are Sex, Drugs & Poor Sanitation Eclipsing Occupy Wall Street?
Seattle: 10/18/2011 — Man Accused of Exposing Self to Children Arrested
10/12/2011 — Iran Supports ‘Occupy Wall Street’
Portland: 10/16/2011 –#OccupyPortland Protester Desecrates Memorial To U.S. War Dead
Portland: 10/15/2011 — #OccupyPortland Protesters Sing “F*** The USA”
Chicago: 10/17/2011 — COMMUNIST LEADER Cheered at Occupy Chicago
10/15/2011 — American Nazi Party Endorses Occupy Wall Street‘s ’Courage,‘ Tells Members to Support Protests and Fight ’Judeo-Capitalist Banksters’
Boston: 10/14/2011 — Coast Guard member spit on near Occupy Boston tents
Boston: 10/11/2011 — Boston Police Arrest Over 100 from Occupy Boston
New York: 10/11/2011 — “You Can Have Sex with Animals.”
New York: 10/15/2011 — Harassing Police with Accusations of Phony Injuries
New York: 10/9/2011 — ‘Occupy Wallstreet’ Protesters Steal from Local Businesses
New York: 10/25/2011 — Three Men Threatened to Kill 24-Year-Old Occupy Wall Street Protester for Reporting Rape
Baltimore: 10/18/2011 — #OccupyBaltimore Discourages Sexual Assault Victims from Contacting Police
Portland: 10/27/2011 — Occupy Portland’s Attempt At Wealth Redistribution Ends In Theft
Los Angeles: 10/14/2011 – Anti-Semitic Protester at Occupy Wall Street
10/27/2011 — A Death Threat From an Occupy Wall Street Protester
10/27/2011 – Anti-Semitic Tweet From Occupier or Sympathizer
Boston: 10/20/2011 — Occupy Boston Doesn’t Want Police Involved in Rape
New York: 10/5/2011: Anti-Semitic Occupier Screams About Jews, Israel
New York: 10/4/2011 — Occupier Taunts Jewish Man
Boston: 10/2011 — Occupiers Block Street
New York: 10/2011 — Occupier Tries to Steal Police Officer’s Gun
New York: 10/27/2011 — Occupiers Block Traffic, Get Arrested
Oakland: 10/27/2011 — Occupiers Throw Garbage at Police
Oakland: 10/19/2011 — Abusive #OccupyOakland Protesters Ban Media from Tent City
Eugene, OR: 10/19/2011 — Occupiers Displace Farmers’ Market Threatening Hundreds of Jobs
Portland, OR: 10/18/2011 — Capitalist Offering Jobs at Occupy Portland Finds Few Takers
NY: 10/20/2011 — #OccupyWallStreet Threatens Businesses, Patrons
NY: 10/14/2011 — Violence Breaks Out During #OccupyWallStreet March Toward Stock Exchange
NY: 10/14/2011 — Protesters March On Wall Street, Scuffle With Cops
Oakland: 10/19/2011 — #OccupyOakland Protesters Threaten Reporter
Oakland: 10/26/2011 — Occupiers Scuffle with Police
Oakland: 10/24/2011 — Protesters Storm, Vandalize, Shut Down Chase Bank
Dayton, OH: 10/22/2011 — Protester: ‘F*ck The Military, F*ck Your Flag, And F*ck The Police’
Chicago: 10/14/2011 — Protesters’ Message At #OccupyChicago Rally: ‘Destroy Israel’
NY: 10/23/2011 — #OccupyWallStreet Supporter Rants Against Israel, Jews
NY: 10/22/2011 — #Occupy Kid: ‘Burn Wall Street, Burn!’
NY: 10/21/2011 — New Yorkers Fed Up With Noisy, Defecating Protesters
Oakland: 10/21/2011 — Occupy Oakland Evicted After Reports Of Crime And Intimidation
Oakland: 10/19/2011 — #OccupyOakland Out of Control: Rats, Graffiti, Vandalism, Sexual Harassment, Public Sex and Urination
Chicago: 10/26/2011 — Occupiers Under Investigation by FBI for Links to Terrorism
Cleveland: 10/29/2011 — Rape Reported at Occupy Cleveland
Dallas: 10/24/2011 — Police Investigating Possible Sexual Assault Of Teen At Occupy Dallas
Bloomington, IN: 10/26/2011 — Man Claims Occupy Bloomington Protesters Drugged, Handcuffed Him
NY: 10/10/2011 — Sex, Drugs and Hiding from the Law at Wall Street Protests
Glasgow: 10/26/2011 — Woman Gang-Raped
Boston: 10/23/2011 — Occupy Boston Protesters Arrested For Dealing Heroin – With 6 Year-Old in Tent
Portland: 10/16/2011 — Sex Offender Registers Occupy Portland Camp as Address
Denver: 10/15/2011 — Occupy Denver Demonstrator Accused of Groping TV Photographer
Lawrence, KS: 10/25/2011 — Sexual Assault Reported at Occupy Camp
Minneapolis, MN: Bricks, Rocks, ‘Riot Supplies’ Discovered by Police
Phoenix, AZ: 10/27/2011 — Neo-Nazis Patrol “Occupy Phoenix” With AR-15′s
Chicago: 10/26/2011 — Occupy Chicago Invades City Hall
10/26/2011 — ACORN, Occupy Email Talks About Assault on Banks
10/26/2011 — OccupyWallStreet Strategy for Reports of Violence Against Cops
Chicago: 10/26/2011 — Unrepentant Domestic Terrorist Bill Ayers Wows Occupiers
Chicago: 10/25/2011 — Ayers Coaches #OccupyChicago, Callsg for School ‘Occupations’
10/26/2011/ — Occupy Protests Have Jewish Leaders Concerned
Wash DC: 10/27/2011 — OccupyDC Leftists Provoke Police – Hang Flag on Top of DC Statue
Albuquerque, NM: 10/26/2011 — Occupy Squatters Riot With Police
San Diego: 10/25/2011 — Flag Used as Chew Toy by Occupier’s Dog
Oakland: 10/25/2011 — Occupiers Throw Bottles at Police
NY: 10/27/2011 — Occupy Wall Street Protesters: Rush Limbaugh Is Bigger Threat Than Al-Qaeda
10/27/2011 — Occupy Wall Street Launching First Nationwide General Strike in America Since 1946
NY: 10/28/2011 — Fox 5 News Reporter Assaulted at OWS
10/28/2001 — Total Occupy Arrests Made Thus Far: 2750
Nashville: 10/28/2011 — 30 Arrests Made at Wall St. Protest
NY: 10/20/2011 — Former Marine Tries to Taunt Police into Violence
NY: 1023/2011 — Islamist Group Joins with Occupy Wall Street
Los Angeles: 10/13/2011 — Roundup of Overt Occupy anti-Semitism
NY: 10/12/2011 — There are No Anti-Semites at Occupy Wall Street. Except for This Guy
Missoula, MT: 10/20/2011 — Drunk 11-Year-Old At Occupy Missoula, Adult Arrested
Oakland: 10/28/2011 — Bounty Out On Police Officer?
Manchester, NH: 10/28/2011 — Woman charged with pimping teen recruited at Occupy NH rally
San Diego: 10/28/2011 — 40 Occupiers arrested
Boston: 10/24/2011 — Occupy Boston Vandalism of Banks
Boston: 10/25/2011 — Store Owner Suffers 4 Break Ins Since Occupy Boston Began
Portland: 10/28/2011 — Portland Police: Buckets of Excrement Scattered Around #OccupyPortland Camp
Seattle: 10/20/2011 — Two Possible Occupiers Charged With Assault
Seattle: 10/18/2011 — Armed Felon Arrested at Occupy Seattle
Seattle: 10/18/2011 — A Tent Fight and (At Least) One Arrest at Occupy Seattle
Seattle: 10/17/2011 — Over 50 Cops Clear Westlake Occupation, Make Eight Arrests
Seattle: 10/13/2011 — Cops Arrest Several Occupy Protesters
Seattle: 10/13/2011 — Chanting Protesters Surround Police After Officers Arrest Two
Denver: 10/29/2011 — Protesters Clash with Police at OWS Denver
Austin: 10/13/2011 — Occupy Austin protesters arrested for blocking cleaning Crews
Calgary, CN: 10/28/2011 — Occupiers do $40,000 in Property Damage
Cincinnati, OH: 10/21/2011 — 23 Arrested, Remains of protests fill two dumpsters
Sacramento: 10/19/2011 — 9 arrested in ‘Occupy Sacramento’ protest
Sacramento: 10/13/2011 — Four More Occupy Sacramento Demonstrators Arrested
Austin, TX: 10/22/2011 — Man Arrested After Knife Incident at Occupy Austin Camp
Nashville: 10/29/2011 — Tenn. Protesters Arrested For 2nd Straight Night
Austin, TX: 10/30/2011 — Austin Police arrest 38 Occupy Austin Protesters
NY: 10/30/2011 — Woman Assaulted in Her tent
Orlando, FL: 10/28/2011 — Occupy Orlando, police clash over use of downtown park
Orlando, FL: 10/26/2011 — 2 Occupy Orlando protesters arrested for trespass
Orlando, FL: 10/22/2011 — Police arrest 19 Orlando protesters on trespass charges
Asheville, NC: 10/30/2011 — Occupiers Clash with Homeless in Asheville
Nationwide: 10/27/2011 — Pro-Occupy Site claims 2511 Arrests Thus Far
Fort Worth, TX: 10/16/2011 — Arrests at Occupy Fort Worth Protest
NY: 10/29/2011 — Three Incidents of Anti-Semitism
San Francisco: 10/29/2011 — Anti-Semitic, Folsom Street Fair Types & Che Guevara Lovin
Oklahoma City: 10/30/2011 — Death of Street Poet at #OccupyOKC Treated as Homicide
Baltimore: 10/31/2011 — Woman Claims She was Raped at #OccupyBaltimore
Boston: 10/31/2001 — Alleged Heroin Dealer Joined Occupy Movement
Ottawa: 10/31/2011 — #OccupyOttawa Violent & Sexual Assaults Not Reported to Police
Santa Barbara, CA: 10/5/2011 — Occupiers Defy Police
Santa Barbara, CA: 10/6/2011 — 8 Occupiers Arrested
Denver, CO: 10/31/2011 — Occupiers Taunt Police, Knock Motorcycle Cop to Ground
Dallas, TX: 10/24/2011 — 23 Occupy Dallas Protesters Arrested After Bank Demonstration
Richmond, VA: 10/31/2011 — Arrests of Occupiers in Richmond
Dallas, TX: 1v1/1/2011: Man Arrested for Child Sex assault at Occupy Dallas Camp
NY: 11/1/2011 — Protesters Flock to STD-Test Clinics After Occupier ‘Free Love’
Iowa: 11/1/2011 — Occupiers Intend to Disrupt Iowa Caucus
NY: 11/1/2011 — Occupy Wall Street Costs Main Street Workers Their Jobs
San Diego: 10/29/2011 — Businesswoman Closes Shop After Threats By Occupiers
Palm Desert, CA: 11/1/2011 — Occupiers Arrested
Tampa, FL: 10/24/2011 — Six Occupiers Arrested
Tampa, FL: 10/27/2011 — Two More Arrested In Connection to Occupy Tampa Movement
Tampa, FL: 10/29/2011 — Occupy Tampa Protesters Arrested After Scuffle With Police
Oakland, CA: 11/3/2011 — Rallies Turn Violent
Seattle, WA: 11/2/2011 — Cops, Protesters Clash
Oakland, CA: 11/3/2011 — Protests Degenerate Into Chaos
Tulsa, OK: 11/2/2011 — Occupiers Clash With Police
Sacramento, CA: 11/2/2011 — Occupiers Smash County Vehicle Windows
Philadelphia: 11/2/2011 — Occupiers Arrested
Charlottesville, VA: 11/1/2011 — Underage Drinking at Occupy Charlottesville Site
Portland: 11/2/2011 — Occupier Shoves Police Officer into Moving Bus
Oakland: 11/2/2011 — Malkin’s Collection of Vandalism and Menacing Signs
NYC: 11/3/2011 — Occupier Busted In Tent Grope, Suspected In Rape
NYC: 11/4/2011 — 16 OWS Protesters Arrested at Goldman Sachs HQ
Oakland, CA: 11-3-2011 — Occupy-Friendly Business Vandalized
Asheville, NC: 11/3/2011 — 24 Occupiers Arrested
Raleigh, NC: 10/28/2011 — Eight at Occupy Raleigh Arrested After Standoff
NYC: 11/4/2011 — Deranged Homeless Man Goes on Violent Rampage In Zuccotti Park
Dallas, TX: CPS Seizes Baby From ‘Occupy Dallas’ Site
Wash DC: 11/4/2011 — Occupier Uses Child as Human Shield — Video
Wash DC: 11/4/2011 — Occupiers Try to Storm Americans for Prosperity Event — Video
Omaha, NE: 11/3/2011 — Three Occupiers Arrested
Atlanta: 11/3/2011 — Protester Turns On Fellow Protester With Knife
Los Angeles: 10/28/2011 — Drug Use and Property Damage
Boston, MA: 11/4/2011 — 3 Charged With Dealing Crack; Occupy Boston ‘Deteriorating’
Boston, MA: 11/4/2011 — Occupiers Storm Israeli Consulate; Anti-Israel Chants — Video
Vancouver, CN: 11/5/2011 — Occupy Vancouver Death Dooms Protest Camp
Fort Collins, CO: 11/4/2011 — Occupier Arrested for Setting Fire to Condo Complex … $10M Damage
Chula Vista, CA: 11/6/2011 — Underage Girl Missing From Occupy Protests
Los Angeles, CA: 11/5/2011 – Two Assaults Raise Concerns About Crime at Occupy L.A.
Dallas, TX: 11/5/2011 — Eight Arrests at Dallas Bank Protest
Olympia, WA: 11/5/2011 – Two Occupy Protesters Arrested
Seattle, WA: 11/3/2011 — Occupiers Cost City $426,000; Most of it Police Overtime
Olympia, WA: 11/2/2011 — 3 Occupiers Arrested for Suspected of Robbing Local Wine Merchant
Worcester, MA: 11/6/2011 — 25 Occupiers Arrested
Milwaukee, WI: 11/2/2011 — Photojournalist, Two others Arrested at Protest … Video
Milwaukee, WI: 10/20/2011 — Police Confront Occupier –Video … Arrested
Wash. DC: 11/5/2011 — Rampaging Occupiers Attack 78 Year-Old Woman — Video
Rochester, NY: 11/3/2011 — 161 Occupiers Arrested at Park
NYC: 11/5/2011 — Police Clash With Occupiers, 20 Arrested at Courthouse Protest
NYC: 11/5/2011 — Occupier Arrested for Vandalizing McDonald’s; Wanted Free Food
Asheville, NC: 11/5/2011 — Four Occupiers Arrested
Honolulu, HI: 11/6/2011 — Police Arrest Half-Dozen Occupiers
Waikiki, HI: 11/7/2011 — Two Dozen Occupiers Arrested
Portland, OR: 11/7/2011 — Occupiers Arrested for Threatening Restaurant Employees
Portland, OR: 11/7/2011 — Occupier Arrested for Threatening Security Staff with Hammer
Augusta, GA: 10/28/2011 — Occupier Arrested in Knife Threat
Portland OR: 11/9/2011 — Police Suspect Occupiers in Molotov Cocktail Attack
Sacramento, CA: 11/7/2011 — Homeless Clash With Occupy Protesters At Park
New Orleans: 11/8/2011 — Man Dead for Two Days Found in Occupy Encampment
San Diego: 11/7/2011 — Occupiers Splatter Vendor Food Carts with Blood, Urine
Los Angeles: 11/7/2011 — Occupiers Shut Down Burger King — Video
Atlanta, GA: 11/6/2011 — Occupiers Arrested After Attacking Police
St. Louis, MO: 11/9/2011 — Occupiers Hack Into Mayor’s Website
Oakland, CA: 11/8/2011 — “Dangerous” Occupiers Hurting Small Business Owners
Vancouver, CN: 11/8/2011 — Occupiers Bite Two Police Officers
Wash DC: 11/8/2011 — Occupiers Use Children to Block Traffic — Video
Portland, OR: 11/9/2011 — Occupiers Threaten Citizen-Journalist – Video
Wash DC: 11/8/2011 — Occupiers Use Racial Taunts Against Black Security Guard — Video
Eureka, CA: 11/9/2011 — Occupier Defecates in Bank – Video
Wash DC: 11/5/2011 – Occupiers Menace Children, Female Reporter – Video
Portland, OR: 11/8/2011 — Occupiers Menace News Crew – Video
NYC: 11/8/2011 — Occupier: ‘I Wouldn’t Give a F**k if 9/11 Happened 911 More Times’
NYC: 11/8/2011 — Small Business Owner Threatened, Terrorized By Occupiers
San Francisco, CA: 11/10/2011 — Occupier Threatens Park Ranger
Burlington, VT: 11/10/2011 — Veteran Shoots Self at Encampment
Oakland, CA: 11/3/2011 — ‘Occupy Oakland’ Goes After Cop
NYC: 11/10/2011 — EMT Assaulted at Occupy Wall Street
San Diego, CA: 11/10/2011 — Occupier Attacks Woman with Camera
Berekely, CA: 11/10/2011 — 39 Occupiers Arrested
Westwood, CA: 11/9/2011 — 11 Occupiers Arrested for Blocking Traffic
Fresno, CA: 11/9/2011 — 40 Occupiers Arrested
Toledo, OH: 11/1/2011 — 2 Occupiers Arrested
Houston, TX: 11/9/2011 — 10 Occupiers Arrested
NYC: 11/8/2011 — Hobbyist Photographer Describes Assault in Zuccotti Park
Oakland, CA: 11/10/2011: Fatal Shooting Over Drugs
Oakland: CA: 11/10/2011 — Protesters Attack News Crew Covering Fatal Shooting
Pasadena, CA: 11/10/2011 — Occupiers Announce Plans to Disrupt Rose Bowl Parade
Tampa, FL 11/10/2011 — Three Occupiers Arrested
Portland, OR: 11/10/2011 — Occupiers Billed for Police Car Vandalism
Olympia, WA: 11/11/2011 — Occupiers Asked to Pack Up After Assault, Drug Arrests
Denver, CO: 11/11/2011 — Occupiers Storm BlogCon 11 … One Arrest
Salt Lake City, UT: 11/12/2011 — Protest Shut Down After Body Discovered In Tent
San Francisco: 11/8/2011 — Shoplifting, Fights On The Rise Around Encampment
San Francisco: 11/10/2011 — Occupiers Accused of Ferry Building Thefts, Filth
San Francisco: 11/10/2011 — Protester Busted For Gun Violation Arrested Again
Mobile, AL: 11/9/2011 — 18 Occupy Protesters Arrested
New Orleans: 11/11/2011 — Death at Campsite Attributed To Alcohol Abuse
San Francisco: 11/12/2011 — Occupier Slashes Police Officer With Razor, Another Injured
Portland: 11/13/2011 — Three Arrested with Mortars, Fireworks
Chapel Hill, NC: 11/13/2011 — Eight Occupiers for Trespassing
Norfolk, VA: Six Occupiers Arrested
Philadelphia, PA: 11/13/2011 — Occupier Arrested for Rape
Portland, OR: 10/27/2011 — Sexual Assault: ‘nobody should contact the police’ — Video
NYC: 11/12/2011 — Occupiers Plan Mass Trespassing Campaign
Oakland, CA: 11/8/2011 — Occupiers Plan Mass Trespassing Campaign
Salt Lake City, UT: 11/12/2011 — 19 Occupiers Arrested
St. Louis, MO: 11/13/2011 — 27 Occupiers Arrested
St. Louis, MO: 11/12/2011 — Occupier Arrested
NYC: 11/13/2011 — Occupier Slugs Police Officer
Oakland, CA: 11/10/2011 — Occupiers Withdraw Resolution to Remain Peaceful
Portland, OR: 11/9/2011 — Occupier Requires Life-Saving CPR After Drug Overdose
Portland, OR: 11/9/2011 — 4 Reports of Substance Abuse
Olympia, WA: 11/12/2011: Growing Number of Drug, Violence Complaints
Atlanta, GA: 11/10/2011 — TB Breaks Out at Occupy Home Base
NYC: 11/13/2011 — Occupy Wall Street Costs Local Businesses $479,400
Nationwide: 11/11/2011 — Occupy Death Toll Hits 7
Seattle, WA: 11-14-2011 — Occupier Defecates on Public Sidewalk
Hartford, CT: 10/16/2011 — Occupier Charged After Pulling Knife
Dallas, TX: 11/14/2011 — 9-Month-Old Baby Removed From Camp Due to Health Concerns, Neglect
Albuquerque, NM: 10/27/2011 — 2 Occupiers Arrested
Albuquerque, NM: 10/26/2011 — More Than a Dozen Occupiers Arrested
Albuquerque, NM: 10/22/2011 — Knife Attack at Occupy Camp
Albuquerque, NM: 10/27/2011 — Police Forced to Remove Occupiers From Park Again, 37 Arrested
Albuquerque, NM: 10/8/2011 — Occupier Arrested
University of New Mexico: 11/8/2011 — Sordid Story of Lawlessness, Dozens of Arrests, Spitting on Walmart Customer
Albuquerque, NM: 10/16/2011 — Occupier Cited for Blocking Traffic
Portland, OR: 11/14/2011 — 51 Occupiers Arrested
Portland, OR: 11/14/2011 — Occupiers Smash Bank Windows
Albany, NY: 11/15/2011 — 20 Occupiers Arrested
Near Salem, OR: 11/13/2011 — Three Occupiers Arrested With Explosives
Wash DC: 11/11/2011 — Occupy’ Mom ‘Won’t Stop’ Putting Protest Above Her Kids’ Safety
NYC: 11/15/2011: — Hundreds of Occupiers Arrested, Chaos, Resisting Arrest, Object Thrown at Police
Houston, TX: 11/15/2011 — Occupier Arrested
Minnesota: 11/15/2011 — Occupy Minnesota Costs Taxpayers $10,000+ Each Day
Austin, TX: 11/15/2011 — Occupier Accused of Masturbating in Front of 16 Year-old Girl
San Francisco, CA: 11/15/2011 — Deadly Dog Disease Spreads at Occupy Camp
Philadelphia, PA: 11/15/2011 — Occupier Arrested for Assaulting Woman
Philadelphia, PA: 11/15/2011 — Occupiers Vandalize Dilworth Plaza With Graffiti and Feces – Video
Santa Cruz, CA: 11/15/2011 — Ringworm, Scabies Outbreak at Occupy Camp
Oakland, CA: 11/14/2011 — Occupiers Cost Taxpayers $2.4 Million
Wash DC: 11/16/2011 — Suspected White House Shooter Spent Time with OccupyDC.
Pittsburgh, PA: 11/15/2011 — Five Occupiers Arrested for Disorderly Conduct, Blocking Traffic
San Francisco, CA: 11/17/2011 — Occupiers Storm Bank, 95 Arrested
Chicago, IL: 11/16/2011 — Occupier Arrested for Child Porn
NYC: 11/16/2011 — Dozens Of Hypodermic Needles Found In Zuccotti Park
NYC: 11/16/2011 — Occupier Arrested for Making Terror Threats — Video … More.
Dallas, TX: 11/17/2011 — 18 Occupiers Arrested
Charlotte, NC: 11/14/2011 — Two Occupiers Arrested
Charlotte, NC: 11/15/2011 — 8 Occupiers Arrested
Ottawa, CN: 10/29/2011 — Feces, Urine, and Blood Covered Blanket Hung Over Tent
Los Angeles, CA: 11/15/2011 — Occupier Charged With Masturbating In Front of Children
Los Angeles, CA: 11/15/2011 — Occupier Arrested for Attempting to Light Food Vendor On Fire
NYC: 11/15/2011 — City Claims Occupy Wall Street Protesters Were Stockpiling Weapons
Wash DC: 11/15/2011 — Occupiers Block Traffic, Three Injuries
NYC: 11/16/2011 — 150 Trashmen Needed to Clean Occupy Park Filth
Los Angeles: 11/17/2011 — Occupiers Block Freeways, 26 Arrested
NYC: 11/17/2011 – Mob of Occupiers Taunt, Bully Small School Children
San Francisco, CA: 11/17/2011 — Lice, Fleas, Disease Spread in Camp
NYC: 11/17/2011 — Occupiers Create Citywide Mayhem, 275 Arrested
West Jordan, UT: 11/17/2011 — Occupier Hurls Molotov Cocktail at Bank
NYC: 11/17/2011 — Police Officer Slashed, Others Attacked
NYC: 11/17/2011 — Occupiers Throw Vinegar In Eyes of Police Officers
Lincoln, NE: 11/5/2011 — 4 Occupiers Arrested at Bank Protest
San Diego, CA: 1/17/2011 — Occupiers Hold Moment of Silence In ‘Solidarity’ With Accused Obama Would-Be Assassin — Video
Melbourne, AU: 11/18/2011 — Children as Young as 12 Given Drugs, Alcohol
Los Angeles, CA: 11/17/2011 — Dozens of Occupiers Arrested at Bank Protest
Denver, CO: 11/16/2011 — Residents Complain Police Response Slowed Due to Occupiers
Denver, CO: 11/17/2011 — Occupiers Block Traffic
Denver, CO: 11/18/2011 — Occupiers Charged With Inciting a Riot, Assaulting Police Officer
Columbus, OH: 11/15/2011 — 7 Occupiers Arrested for Refusing to Leave Bank
St. Louis, MO: 11/18/2011 — Woman Sexually Assaulted
Portland, OR: 11/18/2011 — Occupier Punches Police Horse – Video
Missoula, MT: 10/26/2011 — Occupier Charged With Getting 11-Year-Old Drunk
Portland, OR: 11/17/2011 — Occupier Brags About Urinating In Public — Video
Chicago, IL: 11/17/2011 — 58% Believe Violence Against Government Sometimes Necessary
Portland, OR: 11/18/2011 — Ocupier Uses Infant as Human Shield — Video
NYC: 11/18/2011 — Mob Calls For Revolutio,n Screams “F*ck cops! F*ck police!” — Video
Portland, ME: 11/19/2011 — Two Occupiers Arrested for Brutal Assaults
Orlando, FL: 11/14/2011 — Two Occupiers Fight, One Injured By Knife
Pensacola, FL: 11/18/2011 — Occupier Charged With Burglary, Brought Furniture to Occupy Camp
NYC: 11/19/2011 — Occupier Arrested for Blocking Traffic Also Wanted in Indiana
Philadelphia, PA: 11/17/2011 — Occupiers Arrested During Protest
Seattle, WA: 11/17/2011 — Hundreds of Occupiers Snarl Traffic Around Medical Center
Columbia, SC: 11/16/2011 — At Least 15 Occupiers Arrested
Mobile, AL: 11/17/2011 — Occupier Arrested in Government Building
Dallas, TX: 11/2011 — Media List of Occupy Arrests, Infractions
Santa Cruz, CA: 11/19/2011 — County Officials Release List of 93 Acts of Lawlessness In and Around Occupy Camp
Santa Cruz, CA: 11/19/2011: Occupiers Suspected of Dumping 200 Pounds of Human Feces Near Veterans Building
Berkeley, CA: 11/18/2011 — Woman Assaulted for Refusing to Join Occupy
Des Moines, IA: 11/20/2011 — Occupy Leader Arrested on Drug Charges
NYC: 11/20/2011 — Occupier Arrested With Handgun, Ammo
Eugene, OR: 11/19/2011 — Heroin Overdose at Occupy Camp
Seattle, WA: 11/19/2011 — 70 Occupiers Trespass on Foreclosed Home
Portland, ME: 11/19/2011 — Three Occupiers Charged, Including a Hammer Attack
NYC: 11/18/2011 — ‘Runaway Mom’ Arrested for Disorderly Conduct
Hartford, CT: 11/17/2011 — Occupiers Arrested for Blocking Traffic
Austin, TX: 11/18/2011 — Five Occupiers Arrested for Trespassing
Minneapolis, MN: 11/20/2011 — Occupiers Arrested for Burglary, Blocking Police Car — Video
Oakland, CA; 11/20/2011 — Occupiers Defy Legal Eviction, Return to Camp
Wash DC: 11/19/2011 — 11 Occupiers Arrested for Trespassing
San Francisco, CA: 11/18/2011 — Camp Declared Public Health Nuisance; Eviction Deadline Passes
Oakland, CA: 11/19/2011 — Occupiers Plan to Shut Down all Ports on West Coast
NYC: 11/19/2011 — Occupier Arrested for Forcibly Touching Woman
NYC: 11/21/2011 — Occupiers Pledge to Stick It to Taxpayers
Houston, TX: 11/22/2011 — 15 Rounds fired Into Occupy Camp, Gunmen Shot & Arrested
London: 11/21/2011 — Occupiers Defecate in St. Paul’s Cathedral
Oakland, CA: 11/21/2011 — Occupy Oakland Hosts Gay Porn Movie Shoot
Oakland, CA: 11/22/2011 — Domestic Terror Group, Weather Underground, Joins #Occupy
Columbia, SC: 11/21/2011 — Occupiers Defy Curfew
NYC: 11/21/2011 — Three Occupiers Arrested After Rowdy Demonstration Outside Mayor’s Home
Phoenix, AZ:; 11/21/2011 — Eight Occupiers Arrested
Albany, NY: 11/20/2011 — 48 Occupiers Arrested
Pensacola, FL: 11/21/2011 — City Hall Vandalized After Occupy Protest
Fort Meyers, FL: 11/20/2011 — Occupier Arrested On Bomb Threat Charges — Video
Milwaukee, WI: 10/20/2011 — Occupier Arrested at Bank Protest — Video
Nationwide: 11/23/2011 — Occupiers Cost Taxpayers $13 million, So Far
Toronto, CN: 11/23/2011 — 8 Occupiers Arrested
Seattle, WA: 11/27/2011 — Armed Thief Flees Into Occupy Camp
Dallas, TX: 11/25/2011 — 2 Occupiers Arrested for Throwing Red Liquid On Neiman Marcus Walls, Windows
Seattle, WA: 11/27/2011 — Bank Vandalized With Graffiti: ‘Revenge for Occupy Oakland’
Santa Cruz, CA: 11/25/2011 — Police Arrest Occupier for Heroin Use
Columbia, SC: 11/26/2011 — Occupy Sympathizer Threatens to Murder Governor Haley
Seattle, WA: 11/23/2011 — Police: ‘Pregnant’ Occupy Protestor Tried to Lure Children
Augusta, ME: 11/27/2011 — 8 Occupiers Arrested for Criminal Trespass and Mischief
Boston, MA: 11/26/2011 — Occupier Arrested For Failing to Appear In Court For Assaultong Police Officers
Ottawa, CN: 11/26/2011 — Occupier Arrested, Eight Cited
Raleigh, NC: 11/26/2011 — Six Arrested For Disrupting Black Friday Shoppers
Edmonton, CN: 11/25/2011 — Three Occupiers Arrested
Unknown: 11/25/2011 — Occupiers Arrested for Trespassing at Walmart on Black Friday — Video — More
Bloomington, IN: 11/26/2011 — Occupiers Drain Local Businesses, Attract Drug Use
San Diego, CA: 11/25/2011 — Report: Flash Mob Invades Walmart, Leaves 75 Full Carts — Video
Unknown: 11/25/2011 — Occupiers Hand Out ‘Don’t Be a CUMsumer Whore’ Pamphlets at Walmart – Video
Portland, OR: 11/28/2011 — Occupy Raided … Cops Find Machetes, Body Armor, Drugs
Austin, TX: 11/25/2011 — Occupier Arrested for Criminal Trespass
Oklahoma City, OK: 11/29/2011 — Drunken Occupiers Beat Security Guard
Harrisburg, PA: 11/27/2011 — Occupier Arrested at Mall
Del City, OK: 11/25/2011 — 10 Occupiers Arrested for Disorderly Conduct at Walmart
Olympia, WA: 11/28/2011 — Arrests Made After Occupiers and Other Groups Clash With Police
Boston, MA: 11/28/2011 — Occupier Threatens Man With Knife
Portland OR: 11/28/2011 — Occupier Threatens Woman With Arson — Video
Los Angeles, CA: 11/28/2011 — Several Occupiers Arrested For Throwing Objects at Police
Wilmington, NC: 11/28/2011 — Occupier Arrested for Refusing to Obey Police
Tucson, AZ: 11/28/2011 — Two Occupiers Arrested
Olympia, WA: 11/29/2011 — 4 Arrests, Occupier Bites Police Officer’s Arm
Dayton, OH: 11/29/2011 — Occupiers Rage at Target Shoppers — Video
Los Angeles, CA: 11/30/2011 — Hundreds of Occupiers Arrested
Philadelphia, PA: 11/30/2011 — 50 Occupiers Arrested
Tucson, AZ: 11/30/2011 — Occupiers Arrested For Assaulting Police Officer, Graffiti
Frontenac, MO: 11/30/2011 – Occupiers Vandalize Subdivision Sign
Monterey, CA: 11/30/2011 – Occupiers Smacks Citizen Journalist – Video
Los Angeles, CA: 11/30/2011 — Police Required to Wear Hazmat Suits During Camp Clean Up, Human Waste Stored for Some Reason
Charlottesville, VA: 12/1/2011 — Several Protesters Arrested, One Nude
Eureka, CA: 11/30/2011 — Occupier Arrested, 11 Detained
Bloomington, IN: 12/1/2011 — Five Occupiers Arrested
Riverside, CA: 11/30/2011 — Occupier Arrested
Philadelphia, PA: 11/30/2011 — Robber Claims To Be Part of Occupy Movement
Tampa, FL: 12/2/2012 — 29 Occupiers Arrested
Boston, MA: 12/1/2011 — Three Occupiers Arrested
NYC: 12/1/2012 — 10 Occupiers Arrested
Denton, TX: 12/4/2010 — Man Found Dead at Occupy Camp
Wash DC: 12/4/2010: Occupiers Refuse to Remove Illegal Structure, 31 Arrested
Hartford, CT: 12/3/2011 — Sexual Assault Victim Covers Up Crime
Seattle, WA: 12/3/2011 – 16 Occupiers Arrested After Building Break-in
Seattle, WA: 12/2/2011 — Occupy Sympathizers Assault Anti-Occupy Protester
Portland, ME: 12/1/2011 — Occupier Already Facing Assault Charge, Charged With Threatening … More.
Seattle, WA: 12/3/2011 — Occupiers Spit on Police
Las Vegas, NV: 11/17/2011 — 21 Occupiers Arrested for Blocking Traffic
Olympia, WA: 12/2/2011 — Two Arrests at Camp, Robbery and Assault On Police Officer
Salt Lake City, UT: 11/10/2011 — Police Break up Fight Involving 30 Occupiers
Santa Cruz, CA: 12/2/2011 — 20 to 30 Occuppiers Break Into Building
Boston, MA: 12/4/2010 — Knife-wielding Occupier Arrested
NYC: 12/4/2011 — Three Occupiers Arrested
Nashville, TN: 12/4/2011 — Occupiers Arrested for Trespassing
NYC: 12/3/2011 — ‘Troubled’ Occupier Has Now Been Arrested 6 Times
Augusta, ME: 12/4/2011 — Occupier Arrested for Threatening Resident with Sledgehammer
Ft. Meyers, FL: 12/2/2011 — Occupiers Shut Down Preschool
Portland, ME: 11/30/2011 — Occupiers Cause $86k In Damage to Parks
Los Angeles, CA: 12/3/2011 — Undercover Police Report Occupiers Prepared Weapons
NYC: 12/1/2011 — Occupy Causes Small Business to Lay Off 25% of Staff, May Close
Santa Cruz, CA: 12/4/2011 — Two Arrested for Beating Photographer
Santa Cruz, CA: 12/5/2011 — Two Arrested for Trespassing
San Diego, CA: 12/5/2011 — Nine Arrested: Resisting Arrest, Vandalism
Boston, MA: 12/5/2011 — Woman Stabbed at Occupy Camp
Eugene, OR: 12/5/2011 — Occupiers Cost Taxpayers $100k
Nashville, TN: 12/4/2011 — Four Occupiers Arrested
Portland, OR: 12/4/2011 — Several Occupiers Arrested
Orlando, FL: 12/5/2011 — Several Occupiers Arrested
Tulsa, OK: 12/9/2011 — Occuppiers Rally in Support of Accused Murderer
San Francisco, CA: 12/8/2011 — Occupiers Clash with Police, 70+ Arrested
Orlando, FL: 12/5/2011 – 5 Occupiers Arrested
Wash DC: 12/8/2011 — 70 Occupiers Arrested In Protest, Block Traffic for Hours
Des Moines, IA: 12/7/2011 — Occupiers Steal From Evicted Man
Dayton, OH: 12/8/2011 – 5 Occupiers Arrested for Trespassing
Tucson, AZ: 12/6/2011 — 5 Occupiers Arrested for Fighting
Darien, CT: 12/6/2011 — Occupy Organizer Arrested for Blocking Traffic While Drunk
Hartford, CT: 12/6/2011 — Occupier Arrested
Newark, NJ: 12/9/2011 — SEIU Local President Complains Occupy Offered Son Drugs
Orlando, FL: 12/8/2011 — Five Occupiers Arrested
Sacramento, CA: 12/8/2011 — Two Dozen Occupiers Arrested
Santa Cruxz, CA: 1/7/2011 — Occupiers Commit $30,000 In Vandalism
Oakland, CA: 12/3/2011 – Occupiers Taunt, Harass Police — Video

http://biggovernment.com/jjmnolte/2011/10/28/occupywallstreet-the-rap-
sheet-so-far/

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Sunday, February 5, 2012 10:25 AM

Keep the Shiny side up

Quote:
Originally posted by Niki2:
Obviously "full riot gear" is necessary for dispersing PEACEFUL protesters.

There's apparently one officer who wishes he HAD been in full riot gear when a PEACEFUL protestor hit him with a brick.

Quote:
At least one officer was injured after a protester threw a brick at his face as authorities removed tents from the Occupy D.C. protest site Saturday.

The officer was treated for facial injuries and released from an area hospital, according to investigators. The protester who threw the brick was arrested and charged with felony assault on a police officer and assault with a deadly weapon. In all, 12 people were arrested in the park over Saturday and early Sunday evening.

http://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/Occupy-DC-Police-Sweept-Throug
h-Sites-138704009.html

On the other hand, Park Police appear to be storing any tents they take, and allowing folks to retrieve them.

And they now seem to be taking the same action in Freedom Plaza. Removing sleeping gear and tents, but leaving pavilions and such in place.

http://wtop.com/?nid=109&sid=2735595

"Keep the Shiny side up"

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Sunday, February 5, 2012 11:43 AM

M52NICKERSON

DALEK!

Oh how fun. The conservatives still don't understand civil disobedience.

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.

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Sunday, February 5, 2012 12:11 PM

Keep the Shiny side up

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Originally posted by m52nickerson:
Oh how fun. The conservatives still don't understand civil disobedience.

The Occupy folks apparently don't either. Too bad they haven't been watching the demonstrations that include non-violent civil disobedience that have been occurring in D.C. as long as I can remember, for everything from civil rights, to gay rights, to D.C. statehood, and on and on.

It's pretty easy. Go where you aren't supposed to be, sit down and block the road/sidewalk/steps/doors/hallways, go limp when the cops come to arrest you, go to jail, get released a few hours later with no charges(unless you demand that charges be pressed so you can have your day in court), rinse, repeat.

Throwing bricks at cops is not recommended, although the Park Police seem to have been very restrained in this case - just arresting the actual brick thrower and not acting against anyone else. Metro PD and the Park guys got years of experience dealing with stuff in a non-confrontational manner.

"Keep the Shiny side up"

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Sunday, February 5, 2012 12:13 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

"Go where you aren't supposed to be"

The public, on public land?

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Sunday, February 5, 2012 2:03 PM

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)

Quote:
Originally posted by Geezer:
Quote:
Originally posted by Niki2:
Obviously "full riot gear" is necessary for dispersing PEACEFUL protesters.

There's apparently one officer who wishes he HAD been in full riot gear when a PEACEFUL protestor hit him with a brick.

Quote:
At least one officer was injured after a protester threw a brick at his face as authorities removed tents from the Occupy D.C. protest site Saturday.

The officer was treated for facial injuries and released from an area hospital, according to investigators. The protester who threw the brick was arrested and charged with felony assault on a police officer and assault with a deadly weapon. In all, 12 people were arrested in the park over Saturday and early Sunday evening.

http://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/Occupy-DC-Police-Sweept-Throug
h-Sites-138704009.html

On the other hand, Park Police appear to be storing any tents they take, and allowing folks to retrieve them.

And they now seem to be taking the same action in Freedom Plaza. Removing sleeping gear and tents, but leaving pavilions and such in place.

http://wtop.com/?nid=109&sid=2735595

"Keep the Shiny side up"

Did they arrest and charge the cop who shot Scott Olsen in the face yet?

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill

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Sunday, February 5, 2012 2:06 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:
"Go where you aren't supposed to be"

The public, on public land?

HOW DARE YOU! You should be arrested and jailed just for saying that! :D

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill

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Sunday, February 5, 2012 2:16 PM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

Indeed!

What makes these people think they have a RIGHT to freely associate and assemble and say what they want? Hell, you'd think it was in the Constitution or something!

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Sunday, February 5, 2012 2:24 PM

HERO

Quote:
Originally posted by SignyM:
Indeed!

What makes these people think they have a RIGHT to freely associate and assemble and say what they want? Hell, you'd think it was in the Constitution or something!

What makes the govt think it can place reasonable content neutral time, place, and manner restrictions on these people? Hell, you'd think it was also in the Constitution or something.

H

"Hero. I have come to respect you." "I am forced to agree with Hero here."- Chrisisall, 2009.
"I agree with Hero." Niki2, 2011.

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Sunday, February 5, 2012 2:51 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

"Hell, you'd think it was also in the Constitution or something."

Have a quote for that? Thanks.

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Sunday, February 5, 2012 3:04 PM

America loves a winner!

Quote:
Originally posted by m52nickerson:
Oh how fun. The conservatives still don't understand civil disobedience.

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.

TEA Party rallies ... applied and paid for appropriate fees, cleaned up after themselves, committed no wide spread damage, no violence, no rapes, no murders, no rampant drug use, no crapping on police cars, no muggings, no ... did I leave anything out ?

I guess, when compared to the OWS babies, yeah, conservatives have a LOT to learn about not-so-civil disobedience.

" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Sunday, February 5, 2012 3:07 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
Quote:
Originally posted by m52nickerson:
Oh how fun. The conservatives still don't understand civil disobedience.

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.

TEA Party rallies ... applied and paid for appropriate fees, cleaned up after themselves, committed no wide spread damage, no violence, no rapes, no murders, no rampant drug use, no crapping on police cars, no muggings, no ... did I leave anything out ?

I guess, when compared to OWS, yeah, conservatives have a LOT to learn about civil disobedience.

Nobody's ever shown any conclusive proof that any of the Occupiers did any of those things, either. Lots of allegations from the right and no real evidence, but hell, we're used to that by now...

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill

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Sunday, February 5, 2012 3:08 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Hero:
Quote:
Originally posted by SignyM:
Indeed!

What makes these people think they have a RIGHT to freely associate and assemble and say what they want? Hell, you'd think it was in the Constitution or something!

What makes the govt think it can place reasonable content neutral time, place, and manner restrictions on these people? Hell, you'd think it was also in the Constitution or something.

Care to quote us chapter and verse on that?

I'll wait.

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill

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Sunday, February 5, 2012 3:09 PM

WISHIMAY

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:

If only...

NY: 10/1/2011 — Police Arrest More Than 700 Protesters on Brooklyn Bridge

ect....

People are idiots no matter what side of a line they're on. I'm sure most of that went on by people on the other side, just not in groups.

We're all just folk...some of us just have a few more brain cells and a little more restraint.

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Sunday, February 5, 2012 3:38 PM

America loves a winner!

Quote:
Originally posted by Wishimay:

People are idiots no matter what side of a line they're on. I'm sure most of that went on by people on the other side, just not in groups.

.

You're SURE most of that went on by people on the other side ?

Really?

How are you sure ?

What 'other people' do you mean? The cops? TEA party folks ? Who ?

Where's your evidence ?

" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Sunday, February 5, 2012 3:51 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
Quote:
Originally posted by Wishimay:

People are idiots no matter what side of a line they're on. I'm sure most of that went on by people on the other side, just not in groups.

.

You're SURE most of that went on by people on the other side ?

Really?

How are you sure ?

What 'other people' do you mean? The cops? TEA party folks ? Who ?

Where's your evidence ?

Where's yours?

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill

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Sunday, February 5, 2012 6:21 PM

WISHIMAY

What I'm saying is, no matter what side of what line you are on, you go putting massive groups of unwashed masses together there's bound to be a lot of dirtyness going on, despite the best of intent, and I think they intended well.

Not sayin ya can't point out the shortcomings, but blaming the failings of a percent of the group on the whole is not very fair minded...

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Sunday, February 5, 2012 7:52 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Wishimay:
What I'm saying is, no matter what side of what line you are on, you go putting massive groups of unwashed masses together there's bound to be a lot of dirtyness going on, despite the best of intent, and I think they intended well.

Not sayin ya can't point out the shortcomings, but blaming the failings of a percent of the group on the whole is not very fair minded...

Because if you were to do that - blame the whole group for the actions of the few - you'd be forced to admit that the U.S. military is a haven and training ground for murderers, rapists, and all sorts of criminals.

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill

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Sunday, February 5, 2012 10:56 PM

FREMDFIRMA

Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:
Because if you were to do that - blame the whole group for the actions of the few - you'd be forced to admit that the U.S. military is a haven and training ground for murderers, rapists, and all sorts of criminals.

You mean it's not ?

What else is war but the State sanction of this behavior towards others ?

Why are people surprised when they come home and then engage in it against their neighbors, their families ?

Let's quit pretending, ok ?

-Frem

I do not serve the Blind God.

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Monday, February 6, 2012 3:49 AM

Keep the Shiny side up

Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:
Did they arrest and charge the cop who shot Scott Olsen in the face yet?

He's in D.C.?

"Keep the Shiny side up"

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Monday, February 6, 2012 3:52 AM

Keep the Shiny side up

Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:
"Go where you aren't supposed to be"

The public, on public land?

And another fine example of "taken out of context" by one of the best.

"Keep the Shiny side up"

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Monday, February 6, 2012 3:56 AM

Keep the Shiny side up

Quote:
Originally posted by SignyM:
Indeed!

What makes these people think they have a RIGHT to freely associate and assemble and say what they want?

They do. The National Park Service has said so. They just don't have the right to camp at Freedom Plaza and McPherson Square. If they want to sleep somewhere else, and then show up in shifts 24/7/365 to protest at Freedom Plaza and McPherson Square, that's fine.

"Keep the Shiny side up"

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Monday, February 6, 2012 4:47 AM

Keep the Shiny side up

Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:
"Hell, you'd think it was also in the Constitution or something."

Have a quote for that? Thanks.

Google is your friend.

Quote:
The First Amendment to the U.S. Constitution guarantees Freedom of Speech. This guarantee generally safeguards the right of individuals to express themselves without governmental restraint. Nevertheless, the Free Speech Clause of the First Amendment is not absolute. It has never been interpreted to guarantee all forms of speech without any restraint whatsoever. Instead, the U.S. Supreme Court has repeatedly ruled that state and federal governments may place reasonable restrictions on the time, place, and manner of individual expression. Time, place, and manner (TPM) restrictions accommodate public convenience and promote order by regulating traffic flow, preserving property interests, conserving the environment, and protecting the administration of justice.

The Supreme Court has developed a four-part analysis to evaluate the constitutionality of TPM restrictions. To pass muster under the First Amendment, TPM restrictions must be contentneutral, be narrowly drawn, serve a significant government interest, and leave open alternative channels of communication. Application of this analysis varies in accordance with the circumstances of each case.

http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Time%2c+Place%2c+and+Man
ner+Restrictions

"Keep the Shiny side up"

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Monday, February 6, 2012 4:52 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Geezer:
Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:
"Hell, you'd think it was also in the Constitution or something."

Have a quote for that? Thanks.

Google is your friend.

Quote:
The First Amendment to the U.S. Constitution guarantees Freedom of Speech. This guarantee generally safeguards the right of individuals to express themselves without governmental restraint. Nevertheless, the Free Speech Clause of the First Amendment is not absolute. It has never been interpreted to guarantee all forms of speech without any restraint whatsoever. Instead, the U.S. Supreme Court has repeatedly ruled that state and federal governments may place reasonable restrictions on the time, place, and manner of individual expression. Time, place, and manner (TPM) restrictions accommodate public convenience and promote order by regulating traffic flow, preserving property interests, conserving the environment, and protecting the administration of justice.

The Supreme Court has developed a four-part analysis to evaluate the constitutionality of TPM restrictions. To pass muster under the First Amendment, TPM restrictions must be contentneutral, be narrowly drawn, serve a significant government interest, and leave open alternative channels of communication. Application of this analysis varies in accordance with the circumstances of each case.

http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Time%2c+Place%2c+and+Man
ner+Restrictions

"Keep the Shiny side up"

But none of those restrictions are IN THE CONSTITUTION. Those are legal constructs inflicted by courts, after the fact. Kind of like various gun control laws.

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill

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Monday, February 6, 2012 5:35 AM

Keep the Shiny side up

Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:
But none of those restrictions are IN THE CONSTITUTION.

Sure they are. Right here.

Quote:
Article III.

Section. 1.

The judicial Power of the United States shall be vested in one supreme Court, and in such inferior Courts as the Congress may from time to time ordain and establish. The Judges, both of the supreme and inferior Courts, shall hold their Offices during good Behaviour, and shall, at stated Times, receive for their Services a Compensation, which shall not be diminished during their Continuance in Office.

Section. 2.

The judicial Power shall extend to all Cases, in Law and Equity, arising under this Constitution, the Laws of the United States, and Treaties made, or which shall be made, under their Authority;--to all Cases affecting Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls;--to all Cases of admiralty and maritime Jurisdiction;--to Controversies to which the United States shall be a Party;--to Controversies between two or more States;-- between a State and Citizens of another State,--between Citizens of different States,--between Citizens of the same State claiming Lands under Grants of different States, and between a State, or the Citizens thereof, and foreign States, Citizens or Subjects.

See the bit that says "The judicial Power shall extend to all Cases, in Law and Equity, arising under this Constitution..."

That means that the Supreme court has the duty to decide how the Constitution applies. In the instant case, it means that the Supreme Court has decided that the First Amendment right to free expression can be limited in particular ways.

It's sort'a like how they decided the 9th and 10th Amendments protect the right to abortion, which isn't specifically stated in the Constitution.

But you already knew this.

"Keep the Shiny side up"

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Monday, February 6, 2012 6:22 AM

HERO

Quote:
Originally posted by Geezer:
That means that the Supreme court has the duty to decide how the Constitution applies. In the instant case, it means that the Supreme Court has decided that the First Amendment right to free expression can be limited in particular ways.

Its more of a Due Process issue.

Do the pro Occupy folks think a Pro Life Group should be allowed to block access to an abortion clinic? Should the KKK be allowed to block black voters from entering a polling place? Should a rapist be allowed to sit outside the home of a victim and then explain to her as she's coming and going that testifying would be a BAD idea?

If you don't agree with those things then you must agree that limited time, place, and manner resrtictions are ok.

Should the government allow the Tea Party to hold a rally but deny the NAACP the right to hold a rally because they agree with the Tea Party, but not the NAACP?

If you say "no" then you agree that the rules should be content neutral.

Do you believe that a person has the right stand outside of a fire station and block the engine from responding to a fire at a nursing home or school? If "no", is it because you think going to the emergency to save lives is important?

If "yes", then you agree the rules must serve a legitimate government interest.

If you believe that people should be allowed to interfere with or endanger others in the manner described, then you have bigger problems then the government.

If, however, you agree that the behaivor describe should be prohibited then you agree that there is a limit to your exercise of rights. The rest is deciding where that limit is and making sure the same rules apply to everyone.

H

"Hero. I have come to respect you." "I am forced to agree with Hero here."- Chrisisall, 2009.
"I agree with Hero." Niki2, 2011.

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Monday, February 6, 2012 7:30 AM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

Off all of the possibilities that HERO brought up, none of them seem to apply to the Occupy arrests. They did not block emergency vehicles, for example. So as far as I can tell everything that HERO mentioned is moot. The most complete description I can find of the reasons for the clearing and arrests is from the Boston Globe:

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WASHINGTON - Eleven people have been arrested in Washington’s McPherson Square since Park Police began clearing tents from one of the nation’s last remaining Occupy protest sites, authorities said yesterday.

David Schlosser, a spokesman for the US Park Police, said one of those arrested was charged with felony assault on a police officer and assault with a deadly weapon. That person is accused of hitting an officer in the face with a brick Saturday night. The officer was treated at a hospital. Three others were charged with assault on a police officer.

That's four arrests. What about the other seven? As far as "assault" on a police officer, as detailed below, it can be as simple as touching a nightstick in self-defense.

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Schlosser said the site was mostly peaceful yesterday and officials were continuing to clear the park of tents and restore sanitary conditions. The protesters vowed to continue their demonstration and urged followers to remain nonviolent. The police said they were enforcing a National Park Service ban on camping.... the last remaining Occupy sites, enjoying special First Amendment protections because of its location on park service property. The rules permit protesters to remain onsite at all hours with tents but bar them from camping or laying down bedding material.

I would be interested to know how one differentiates being on-site under a tent at all hours from "camping". It seems an almost impossible distinction to make.

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Of the possible charges the DC police commonly bring against demonstrators, they are:

Incommoding, especially bridges.
Failure to obey a (lawful) Police Officer. Unfortunately, what is lawful is only decided AFTER you have been arrested and brought to trial.
Unlawful entry on property (trespassing).
Resisting or interfering with a police officer, including pulling away from them (When they are beating you??) Resisting arrest is unlawful even if the officer has no rightful basis for arresting you.
Failure to appear.
False statement. This can come up with forms you are asked to complete before being released.
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Sometimes when the police overcharge, you will see
Assault on a Police Officer- Any unwanted touching of a police officer is an assault, including touching anything they are holding (nightstick, bullhorn, etc.) Same for throwing anything at an officer, even if you only accidentally hit them.
Destruction of property. defacing public or private property.
Kidnapping. It is possible to be convicted of kidnapping for confining someone against their will, even without transporting them anywhere. Be very careful about blocking all the exits of hotels and offices. It is an extremely serious offense -- you can be sentenced to life imprisonment.
Rioting or inciting to riot.
Aiding and Abetting. It is possible that if you help someone commit a crime, you can be charged even if you do not take any actions personally.
Conspiracy. Similar to aiding and abetting, when two or more people work together to do something illegal, they can both be charged with the additional offense of conspiracy.
Unlawful assembly; profane and indecent language. Most jurisdictions have laws like this on the books. As applied to political protest and speech, they are generally unconstitutional and unenforceable.

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Now, some of these laws seem quite reasonable, but I would argue that many are overly broad, especially the ones giving the police on-the-spot absolute authority. I would like to point out to RAPPY that many arrests are on charges more or less made up on-the-spot. That is pretty typical of how the police handle demonstrations... even peaceful ones... that they don't like. Even peaceful civil rights marchers and anti-war demonstrators were subject to arrests, beatings, and shootings. In my experience, the arrests say more about the police than the demonstrators. So that long list is also moot.

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Monday, February 6, 2012 8:15 AM

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That's four arrests. What about the other seven?

Probably crossing a police line. The Park Police set up barriers so the clean-up crews could work undisturbed. Several people jumped the barriers with, per the WTOP reporter who's been pretty much embedded with the McPherson Square folks, the aim of getting arrested.

ETA. Might also be for illegal camping. The Park Police have stated that the Occupy folks can protest, but that they will enforce the no-camping rules and arrest violators.

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"The rules permit protesters to remain on-site at all hours with tents but bar them from camping or laying down bedding material." I would be interested to know how one differentiates being on-site under a tent at all hours from "camping". It seems an almost impossible distinction to make.

"Laying down bedding material" seems pretty clear. Other things that separate 'camping' from just being on-site would probably include sleeping, setting up permanent kitchens and stuff like that.

The other rules require all tents to be open to view so Park police can verify that no one is camping.

Here's the text of the flyer the Park Police have been handing out.

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This communication serves as notice that, on or about noon, January 30, 2012, the United States Park Police will commence enforcement of the long-standing National Park Service (NPS) regulations that prohibit camping and the use of temporary structures for camping in McPherson Square and Freedom Plaza. The NPS has repeatedly advised participants in both parks of the camping regulations, and had sought voluntary compliance. On or about noon, January 30, 2012, if camping violations are observed, individual violators may be subject to arrest and their property subject to seizure as evidence. Any temporary structure used for camping also will be subject to seizure as an abatement of a public nuisance, and may be reclaimed by the property owner between the hours of 8:00 a.m.-5:00 p.m. at the Park Police D-1 Station located at 960 Ohio Drive, S.W., Washington, D.C. 20024, if done within the 60 days."

"Keep the Shiny side up"

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Monday, February 6, 2012 8:48 AM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

Sleeping and eating as an indication of camping? What about if someone is tired, rolls up their jacket as a pillow and takes a nap? Is hungry and eats a snack?

Bedding is... whatever you make of it, I guess. I can see that setting up stoves for heating food might be a danger, but I wonder what earlier precedents have been set? For example, at Tea Party rallies I've seen BBQ grills set up, so...?

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Monday, February 6, 2012 10:20 AM

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Originally posted by SignyM:
Sleeping and eating as an indication of camping?

Sleeping in tents and sleeping bags outdoors on the ground? I'd think that would qualify as camping in pretty much anyone's book. And in the same place since October? Yep. That'd be camping.

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I can see that setting up stoves for heating food might be a danger, but I wonder what earlier precedents have been set? For example, at Tea Party rallies I've seen BBQ grills set up, so...?

I did specify "permanent" cooking facilities. You can take a grill out to the park for a day, but when you build a permanent kitchen and eating area for the folks who live 24/7 in the tents since October, that's somewhat different.

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Monday, February 6, 2012 10:23 AM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

So, how "permanent" is permanent? Putting in a gas line to cooking facilities is "permanent". Putting in a sewer line to toilets? Definitely permanent. But like all words... for which we think bright lines exist (but in reality, don't*) ... there is a spectrum of meaning. So I would be curious exactly what tripped the "permanent" threshold.

*Imagine a cup.

What is it?
It is a container meant to hold liquids.
How is that different from a jar?
Jars have lids.
But what about insulated coffee cups?
How is it different from a jug?
Is it smaller?
But what about those giant drink cups?
Does it have a handle?
What about Japanese tea cups?
How is that different from a small bowl?
As you should be able to see, we THINK we know what we mean by our words, but in reality, we really don't...

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Monday, February 6, 2012 10:29 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

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What I'm saying is, no matter what side of what line you are on, you go putting massive groups of unwashed masses together there's bound to be a lot of dirtyness going on, despite the best of intent, and I think they intended well.

Not sayin ya can't point out the shortcomings, but blaming the failings of a percent of the group on the whole is not very fair minded...

It may not be fair minded, but gosh, it's GREAT for political expediency. Pointing out the shortcomings isn't the purpose; it's blackening the opponent with anything and everything one can grab out of the air, preferably as bad as you can think of.

Thank you...that's all that really needs saying, and to go on and on and ON with the same argument with the same people writing the same things time after time after time...geeeez. One can only wonder "WHY???" Neither side will ever convince the other, it's the same stuff every time, why not just let them spew their hate and go on to better things?

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Monday, February 6, 2012 10:52 AM

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Originally posted by SignyM:
So, how "permanent" is permanent?

Good question.

In the context of whether it's camping or not, I'd say by the end of the next day. Several months would certainly qualify, again in the context of camping.

Even absent a permanent cooking structure, people living outdoors in tents and sleeping bags on the ground for four months would obviously be camping, so the "What is permanent cooking facilities?" argument is pretty much moot anyway.

"Keep the Shiny side up"

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Monday, February 6, 2012 10:55 AM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

But what if it wasn't the same set of people? What if it was a different group every 48 hours? Would that be "camping"?

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Monday, February 6, 2012 10:55 AM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

I guess we all come here with an agenda. And agendas are generally fixed, given that people hold them for emotional reasons rather than rational ones.

So, I judge people by the agenda they hold. Little Rappy's agenda - I want to be free to make money by any means necessary and to kill (or have police or soldiers kill) anyone who stands in the way of my agenda; Geezer's agenda - like Rappy's but pro-corporate; whoZIT's agenda - I don't mind being an ignorant git so long as I get things my way no matter who I step on ... well, those agendas speak volumes to me about those critters as people.

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Monday, February 6, 2012 11:08 AM

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Originally posted by SignyM:
But what if it wasn't the same set of people? What if it was a different group every 48 hours? Would that be "camping"?

I'd say so. Anything overnight that involves sleeping and tents and sleeping bags and being outdoors would seem to qualify. Another moot point anyway, since there have been folks staying at the Occupy camps for longer than that.

Siggy, I can keep coming up with reasonable answers for just as long as you can come up with disingenuous questions.

"Keep the Shiny side up"

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Monday, February 6, 2012 11:27 AM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

They're not disingenous because apparently the rules governing this particular site are different from most. So I'm just trying to get a bead on what they are. You posted a notice sent out by the park service, Curiously, there was no citation of any violated code. Also, the arrests seem not to be for park service violations, more like for disobeying authority. This is about curiosity on my part... what threshold was violated, what pulled the trigger?

Do you have a problem with people asking questions?

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Monday, February 6, 2012 11:32 AM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

"Anything overnight that involves sleeping and tents ..."

They are allowed tents. So you need to take that out of your 'reasonable' argument. Nothing is said about sleeping so you need to take that out of your 'reasonable' argument as well.

BTW, the more you twist yourself in knots trying to make peaceful assembly to petition the government into something unlawful, the more you expose what you really are.

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Monday, February 6, 2012 12:39 PM

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Originally posted by SignyM:
They're not disingenous because apparently the rules governing this particular site are different from most. So I'm just trying to get a bead on what they are.

That's easy.

Look here, 36 CFR7.96, a bit more than halfway down.

http://cfr.vlex.com/vid/7-96-national-capital-region-19768726

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(VI)In connection with permitted demonstrations or special events, temporary structures may be erected for the purpose of symbolizing a message or meeting logistical needs such as first aid facilities, lost children areas or the provision of shelter for electrical and other sensitive equipment or displays. Temporary structures may not be used outside designated camping areas for living accommodation activities such as sleeping, or making preparations to sleep (including the laying down of bedding for the purpose of sleeping), or storing personal belongings, or making any fire, or doing any digging or earth breaking or carrying on cooking activities. The above-listed activities constitute camping when it reasonably appears, in light of all the circumstances, that the participants, in conducting these activities, are in fact using the area as a living accommodation regardless of the intent of the participants or the nature of any other activities in which they may also be engaging.

And in the same regs, rules about permitted camping areas. A bit lower down.

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(i)Camping. (1) Camping is defined as the use of park land for living accommodation purposes such as sleeping activities, or making preparations to sleep (including the laying down of bedding for the purpose of sleeping), or storing personal belongings, or making any fire, or using any tents or shelter or other structure or vehicle for sleeping or doing any digging or earth breaking or carrying on cooking activities. The above-listed activities constitute camping when it reasonably appears, in light of all the circumstances, that the participants, in conducting these activities, are in fact using the area as a living accommodation regardless of the intent of the participants or the nature of any other activities in which they may also be engaging. Camping is permitted only in areas designated by the Superintendent, who may establish limitations of time allowed for camping in any public campground. Upon the posting of such limitations in the campground, no person shall camp for a period longer than that specified for the particular campground.

Or you could contact the National Park Service here, if you have any questions about their interpretation of these regs.

National Capital Region
Steve Whitesell, Regional Director
National Park Service
1100 Ohio Drive, SW
Washington D.C. 20242
(202) 619-7000
Steve_Whitesell@nps.gov

But you know how to use a search engine, and could find this stuff out for yourself.

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This is about curiosity on my part... what threshold was violated, what pulled the trigger?

Could be the increasing complaints by the city administration and citizens about the conditions in the park.

Once again, that's just my take. I'm sure if you contact the park service, they'll be happy to fill you in.

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Do you have a problem with people asking questions?

Not really. Do you have a problem with the answers not being what you want?

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Monday, February 6, 2012 12:42 PM

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Originally posted by 1kiki:

They are allowed tents.

"Sleeping and tents", Oh master of "out of context".

Or see the regs I quoted to SignyM.

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Monday, February 6, 2012 12:54 PM