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Originally posted by AURaptor:

Kwickie - can't deal w/ the fact that the media gave Obama a complete and total pass, can ya?

Distort, distract and ignore... classic M.O.



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And it's cute how HK has turned such a blind eye to the point being made, concerning the vetting process that WASN'T done by the MSM, that he's dug up a 3 year old thread which only validates me, all that much more.

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Originally posted by whozit:

Now that they do know who he is they are going to try to distract us with crap like gay marriage, I don't believe it'll work this time. It's too late for Barry and his whores in the MSM, the great unwashed doesn't trust either of them anymore. Even the great New York Times is $40 million in the hole and is having labor trouble, and CNN has the worst ratings in 15 years. The Demorats already know how bad they're going to get their asses kicked so they started their hissy fit now, they've become "pre-sore losers".

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Didn't watch the video and don't care.

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Ridiculous thread, put up for the usual ridiculous reason responded to by the usual...well...people.

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Originally posted by m52nickerson:
This coming from the person who post a 4 year old video. I'm sorry you think you need a person's college transcripts to know someone. I'm sure you can find those for all the people you support. As well as all of their writings. If not, and if you have not personal read all those things for those people it makes you a fucking massive hypocrite.

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As for Dunning-Kruger, it has nothing to do with not needing to watch videos. It has to do with thinking you are better then you are, and can't see when they make mistakes. That fits a person the thinks they win arguments when they can't even present a coherent one.

Someone like you.

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Originally posted by Niki2:

Ridiculous thread, put up for the usual ridiculous reason responded to by the usual...well...people.

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Originally posted by AURaptor:

Did you know Obama was born in Kenya? His bio said so, back in 1991, long before he was even a state Senator of Illinois.

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That's not it remotely. I bet you didn't even read the link for that, either. ROFLMAO!

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It's true. It's not ME saying it...

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
It's true. It's not ME saying it...

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...but it's you starting the thread, with a video from 2008.

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Originally posted by AURaptor:

Which makes it all the more true.

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Originally posted by Niki2:
Ridiculous thread, put up for the usual ridiculous reason responded to by the usual...well...people.

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Aaaaannnnnd, welcome aboard, usual person. It's cute that you have to post in this thread (and every other thread Rappy ever posts in) to tell everyone how "above it all" you are, and how you're not responding or taking the bait. Really, it's cute.

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Originally posted by m52nickerson:

Didn't watch the video and don't care. The argument that we didn't know who Barack Obama was is simply the most ridiculous piece of crap argument their is. There are books, stories and all kinds of other content out there regarding just about every part of the man's life.

Not to mention he has done basically what he promised to do during his campaign. If anyone says they do not know who Barack Obama is they have not been paying attention.

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Which makes it all the more true.

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Only in your twisted mind. Any one who did not know who Obama was, or what he stood for simply was not paying attention.

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Originally posted by Niki2:

I've got to laugh. I finally took the time to watch the video...which is about JOURNALISM and foreign policy, and how journalists/bloggers don't do their job. There are texts appearing all through it which are dissing the journalist and journalism in general, and it ends with "Journalism is dead". It has little, if anything, to do with Obama; what they say is they don't know what his world view is. HOW that got put up as media elite not having known who Obama was is laughable...I mean it's REALLY reaching to try and tie it into something negative about Obama!

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Which makes it all the more true.

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Only in your twisted mind. Any one who did not know who Obama was, or what he stood for simply was not paying attention.

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Originally posted by Storymark:

But the GOP long ago realized that their secret weapon is stupid people who want to be told how to think.

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Every time I talk about stupid people, you leap in to prove my point, effortlessly.

Thank you, Rappy.

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No, you're stupid for always not getting it.

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But the GOP long ago realized that their secret weapon is stupid people who want to be told how to think.

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That's a prime example. Obama explains clearly why Bain Capital is relevant to who we want for President; Romney comes back with portraying that as an attack on free enterprise and not accepting "moral responsibility".

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THAT is the point I'm making; Dems all too often try to explain things, Repubs all too often rely on emotion.

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But the GOP long ago realized that their secret weapon is stupid people who want to be told how to think.

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That's a double edged sword my friend.

No matter what "side" you're on, you will feel, justifiably so that the other side holds this secret weapon.


Have you ever taken a moment to step back far enough outside of the box to realize that manipulation makes its ways down the ranks equally on both sides when there are millions who agree with enough of what they say to let the rest of the things they believe in slide by the wayside?

Seriously man...

Democrats AND Republicans, in 2012, and many years before now are nothing more than the most glorified of cults.

Clowns to the Left of Me, Jokers to the Right.....

All I see is a bunch of Kool-Aid swillers.....

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Meanwhile, they'd probably make more money if they just stayed at home and did nothing but collect SSI and food stamps and welfare.....

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Mostly, you bitch and moan an awful lot about how unfair life has been to you, you blame unions for a lot, completely ignoring what life would be for the working person if there WERE no unions, and you blame Democrats FAR more than Republicans, so your protestations that you dislike both equally has pretty much lost its credibility for me.

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Mostly, you bitch and moan an awful lot about how unfair life has been to you, you blame unions for a lot, completely ignoring what life would be for the working person if there WERE no unions, and you blame Democrats FAR more than Republicans, so your protestations that you dislike both equally has pretty much lost its credibility for me.

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Well said, Niki.





"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero


"I've not watched the video either, or am incapable of intellectually dealing with the substance of this thread, so I'll instead act like a juvenile and claim victory..." - Rappy

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Originally posted by Niki2:
Six, I think you should amend that to "only extreme righties, the Catholic Church and Republicans in power in state and federal government", because they are the ones passing the laws.

As far as I understand it, private equity is a group of investors who buy out the majority interest in a company--whether willingly by that company or otherwise--then come in and either try to improve the company or else liquidate it and sell off the assets. It's what used to be called "leveraged buyouts". That's WAY too simple, obviously, and there are other forms of private equities. The group who sponsors the buyout may not put ANY money into the buyout itself, but manage other investors' money in doing so, frequently investments from pension funds, universities.

In some cases, equity firms are the way companies get the finances to expand, but Bain was best known for not putting money back INTO the businesses it acquired, in other words starving the company of capital, which led to the bankruptcy of what had been otherwise financially stable companies. Because of a lot of money maneuvering I don't fully understand, the investors in a private equity firm can walk away with a lot of money even tho' they had fired employees, taken funds from pension plans, and the firm eventually went bankrupt.

As to snobbery about college education, that was Rick Santorum. The President had said that everyone should have the ability to go to college or a trade school or something; Santorum rephrased it as ""President Obama once said he wants everybody in America to go to college," Santorum said. "What a snob.” He went on to say “Not all folks are gifted in the same way,” he explained. “Some people have incredible gifts with their hands...there are good decent men and women who go out and work hard every day and put their skills to test that aren’t taught by some liberal college professor trying to indoctrinate them. Oh, I understand why he wants you to go to college. He wants to remake you in his image. I want to create jobs so people can remake their children into their image, not his."

He completely ignored what Obama actually said: ""Tonight, I ask every American to commit to at least one year or more of higher education or career training. This can be community college or a four-year school; vocational training or an apprenticeship. But whatever the training may be, every American will need to get more than a high school diploma."

Nonetheless, Santorum got rousing applause from his audience when he made his remarks. Taking it further, Republicans have frequently made anti-education talking points: that college is bad, elite, socialist, anti-religious, and that being educated at a traditional university is pretty much evil as well.

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If you haven't heard the frequently-used comment from the right about "educated elite", you're right, you haven't been listening to what the Republican Party is saying.

Santorum also made the specific claim that college attendance undermines faith, which has been proven false. The idea that lack of education appeals to Republicans has long been reflected in their preferring a "good old boy" candidate, and many candidates have played to that theme. Santorum was particularly amusing in his remarks, given that he himself holds several degrees, I believe one in business and one in law.

As an aside, I'd like to remark on your dislike of property taxes. In California, we have something called Prop 13. It mandated that as long as you own your home, property taxes cannot be increased; when you sell your home, the new owner's property taxes will be raised to the "current" value (usually a huge jump), unless you are older (I forget the actual age) and buy another home in the same county. The result has contributed mightily to California's current predicament. Governments, even state governments, need property taxes to pay for infrastructure--you know, roads and bridges and schools and stuff--and if the revenue doesn't keep pace with the times, there's hell to pay. Look into it. It costs more, as time goes on, to build roads, etc.,; if the revenue doesn't also go up for a city, county or state, you're screwed.Property taxes going up is a real burden, no question about it...taxes going up is always a burden. But "you get what you pay for", and keeping property taxes at a certain level has been hell for California and is one of the major contributors to our current predicament. If you want to blame higher taxes on the housing bubble, then you need to look at WHO created that bubble, and blame them.

Mostly, you bitch and moan an awful lot about how unfair life has been to you, you blame unions for a lot, completely ignoring what life would be for the working person if there WERE no unions, and you blame Democrats FAR more than Republicans, so your protestations that you dislike both equally has pretty much lost its credibility for me.

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Niki,

In that definition, "private equity" is on my radar for "things that are bad". Thanks for clearing that up.

Just like "No Child Left Behind" and "The Patriot Act" and "The Federal Reserve", the NAME is intentionally misleading.....

As for college, Santorum's reasons for not going. They're completely beside the point.

The point is, that millions of people today are mired under college debt... a debt that even Bankruptcy doesn't wipe away.

I'm all for agreeing with Obama here, if there were a way that you could pick what certification(s) you wanted and as long as you made the grade you had a job when you were done studying, testing and paying the fees.

The Lefties seem to think that this is just an inalienable right for everyone and that the taxpayer should pay for everyone to get 1-4 more years or more of indoctrination, even if it doesn't mean landing a job that could support their cost of living.... let alone the tens or hundreds of thousands of dollars of college debt left in their wake. In that regard, I understand where Santorum is coming from. I know a lot of guys who majored in "keg stands" during their 4 year party that will probably never own a house today because they owe a "mortgage worth" of school loans and they were too stupid or lazy to make any real impression while in college.

The problem with either "side" in this particular debate, is that nobody says the full story when they talk. They only say half of it, and hardly any of it ever overlaps... and that's designed.

As for "undermining faith", you know I just throw comments like that right out the window. Whatever...



With property taxes, Illinois (at least Crook County) is having almost the exact same problem. They had the EAV system in place which for over a decade has severly limited the amount that property taxes go up in any given year to people who say in the same residence by adding a VERY large percentage of the increases to the "homeowner exemption". When you first buy a house there, your "homeowner exemption" is anywhere between 400 and 480 bucks, depending on the township. With the EAV rule, there are people today living in homes there who are getting over 2500 bucks in homeowners exemptions over the years.

What KILLS me is that nobody ever talks about this. I'm a pretty thorough guy, and I was aware of the senior exemption and the senior freeze, and always factored that in. My mistake was thinking that when I moved into a house with a 2500 homeowner exemption that I would receive the same. The truth is, I'd be paying about 2,100 more a year in taxes after I moved in than I expected to pay.

In the mean time, all the Realty sites have a calculator that says "how much home can you afford". They take the previous years taxes (usually around 2,500 to 3,000 a year) and divide by twelve when you input the house price and the interest rate. The only problem is not only do they NEVER make the proper allowances for Senior benefits on these taxes, but they NEVER take into account the EAV!!!!! The TOTAL Rehab project-short-sale I spent 2 1/2 months of my life on would have cost me nearly 2,800 more in taxes a year than I thought because of this scam.

Being as thorough as I am, I lucked into finding the most honest realtor I've ever known and that's why I moved out of state.




As for WHO created the bubble, don't just blame Bush. Obama hasn't fixed it, Bush furthered it, and Clinton was one of the first who made it happen.

Just because this is the worst time anyone in my age bracket has ever lived in, I don't blame Obama squarely for it. Just because the housing bubble collapsed during Bush's term, don't blame him squarely for it either.


I don't blame unions for anything. I'd like you to point out where I did. I just point out that those who have Union jobs and say "I don't see what the big deal is with the economy today" are living in a bubble. I do complain that I can't get into one though. I'd run circles around half of the union employees today with my skills if I could get in. I just don't have a Daddy or Uncle who can get me in.



In the end, I've never denied that overall I have leanings toward the "right" point of view. I hate a lot of what they've done today and in the past though. The only time this country is in good hands is when the President is one "side" and the house and senate are the other "side". That way, nothing ever gets done, and no more of our lives are shattered by rich people from either side who will retire with the best healthcare our taxpayer dollars can buy.

Think what you will of me Niki.....

Again, the only reasons that I seem overly biased against the left today is because we have the most insanely Left president we've ever had (the Yin, to Bush Jr's Yang), and because Bush Jr. isn't currently in office. I know you will never bother to look up old threads here, but I was lambasted by many of the Republican fixtures here many times back then because things were seemingly so different.

Seriously.....

Ask Signy what She thinks....

I think Signy has realized that the pendulum has stopped swinging entirely and that we're all just forcing each other down the same narrow chutes...

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Again, the only reasons that I seem overly biased against the left today is because we have the most insanely Left president we've ever had (the Yin, to Bush Jr's Yang), and because Bush Jr. isn't currently in office.

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Again, the only reasons that I seem overly biased against the left today is because we have the most insanely Left president we've ever had (the Yin, to Bush Jr's Yang), and because Bush Jr. isn't currently in office.

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This is just pure idiocy. Obama is actually to the right of Saint Fucking REAGAN on many issues, including taxes, spending and many social issues.

When you sputter out shit like this, Jack, it just reinforces my belief that you are politically retarded, willfully ignorant, or aggressively stupid.



"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero


"I've not watched the video either, or am incapable of intellectually dealing with the substance of this thread, so I'll instead act like a juvenile and claim victory..." - Rappy

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Again, the only reasons that I seem overly biased against the left today is because we have the most insanely Left president we've ever had (the Yin, to Bush Jr's Yang), and because Bush Jr. isn't currently in office.

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This is just pure idiocy. Obama is actually to the right of Saint Fucking REAGAN on many issues, including taxes, spending and many social issues.

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6IX, anyone even mildly interested in history would be able to show you how.

I have to say, after your ignorant little diatribe in the "Not Voting for Obama Thread". where you CLAIM to think that corps aren't the solution but then spent ALL of your post complaining about gubmint, you're too confused to be anybody's ally. (Oh, and BTW- those real estate taxes of yours? They pay for fire, police and so forth. I hope that you live in one of those retarded cities where the firefighters let your house burn down if you haven't paid up. Although I'm sure you'd complain about that not being "fair" either)

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