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Fast and Furious: Some facts
Monday, July 2, 2012 5:28 AM
1KIKI
Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.
Monday, July 2, 2012 7:24 AM
CAVETROLL
Quote:Originally posted by Niki2: I do NOT see anything that allows law enforcement to arrest anyone who is a "straw purchaser" per se (in other words, limitations on how many you can buy, limitations on buying guns then selling them/handing them over to/others), can you point it out to me if I missed it?
Tuesday, July 3, 2012 5:20 AM
NIKI2
Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...
Quote: As of June 2011, it appears very likely that many high-ranking administration officials in both the Justice and State Departments not only lied to the American people, but also conspired to increase the number of US firearms being smuggled into Mexico. You will recall that shortly after President Obama took office in 2009, the administration launched a loud push to reinstate the so-called "assault weapons" ban. This was a coordinated effort between and Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and Attorney General Eric Holder to mislead and deceive the American public. As justification for the ban, they claimed that 90% of the military-style weapons used in the drug cartel wars in Mexico were coming from the USA, from southern border gun shops. Even President Obama mentioned the 90% figure.
Quote: The Obama administration will seek to reinstate the assault weapons ban that expired in 2004 during the Bush administration, Attorney General Eric Holder said today. "As President Obama indicated during the campaign, there are just a few gun-related changes that we would like to make, and among them would be to reinstitute the ban on the sale of assault weapons," Holder told reporters. Holder said that putting the ban back in place would not only be a positive move by the United States, it would help cut down on the flow of guns going across the border into Mexico, which is struggling with heavy violence among drug cartels along the border. "I think that will have a positive impact in Mexico, at a minimum." Holder said at a news conference on the arrest of more than 700 people in a drug enforcement crackdown on Mexican drug cartels operating in the U.S. Mexican government officials have complained that the availability of sophisticated guns from the United States have emboldened drug traffickers to fight over access routes into the U.S. "Some recent Mexican army and police confrontations with drug cartels have resembled small-unit combat, with cartels employing automatic weapons and grenades," the warning said. "Large firefights have taken place in many towns and cities across Mexico, but most recently in northern Mexico, including Tijuana, Chihuahua City and Ciudad Juarez." At the news conference today, Holder described his discussions with his Mexican counterpart about the recent spike in violence. "I met yesterday with Attorney General Medina Mora of Mexico, and we discussed the unprecedented levels of violence his country is facing because of their enforcement efforts," he said. Holder declined to offer any time frame for the reimplementation of the assault weapons ban, however. "It's something, as I said, that the president talked about during the campaign," he said. "There are obviously a number of things that are -- that have been taking up a substantial amount of his time, and so, I'm not sure exactly what the sequencing will be." "I think closing the gun show loophole, the banning of cop-killer bullets and I also think that making the assault weapons ban permanent, would be something that would be permitted under Heller," Holder said, referring to the Supreme Court ruling in Washington, D.C. v. Heller, which asserted the Second Amendment as an individual's right to own a weapon. http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=6960824&page=1
Monday, July 9, 2012 7:53 AM
KWICKO
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)
Quote:You will recall that shortly after President Obama took office in 2009, the administration launched a loud push to reinstate the so-called "assault weapons" ban.
Quote: Secretary of State Hillary Clinton is now the second member of President Obama's cabinet to get shot down by the White House over the politically sensitive issue of assault weapons. After meeting with Mexican President Felipe Calderón, Clinton said that reinstating the U.S. ban on assault weapons—which was passed in 1994 and expired in 2004—is one step this country could take to curb the flow of guns to Mexico's drug cartels. "These military-style weapons don't belong on anybody's street," Clinton told NBC. Within hours, White House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs told reporters that he was unaware of "any plans" to push for such a ban—even though Obama had backed one during last year's campaign. Attorney General Eric Holder had a similar experience a few weeks earlier. After he endorsed a ban at a Feb. 25 press conference, Justice officials were instructed by White House aides to drop the issue, according to administration and congressional aides who asked not to be named due to political sensitivities. What's behind the shift? A budding relationship between the gun lobby and Democratic leaders on Capitol Hill. After Holder mentioned the ban, the National Rifle Association sent out action alerts to its members and bombarded Hill offices with calls. Sixty-five House Dems dashed off a letter to Holder opposing such a ban, while Speaker Nancy Pelosi—echoing the NRA's mantra on all gun-control issues—said she backed "enforcing the laws we have now."
Monday, July 9, 2012 7:54 AM
Monday, July 9, 2012 7:59 AM
Monday, July 9, 2012 9:35 AM
Quote:Do you think congressional Republicans are investigating Holder and Operation Fast and Furious mostly because they have real ethical concerns about the way the matter was handled, or mostly because they want to gain political advantage? June 28-July 1 2012 Real ethical concerns 34% Gain political advantage 61% No opinion 5% http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2012/images/07/09/rel6d.pdf
Thursday, July 12, 2012 7:23 AM
Thursday, July 12, 2012 8:12 AM
ANTHONYT
Freedom is Important because People are Important
Quote:and they all look like this...
Thursday, July 12, 2012 11:50 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Niki2: Yeah, over time I picked up on The Blaze--it's one of the so-called "sources" PN consistently links, so I've learned to pretty much ignore it, except to refute stuff from there. And you're right about the supposed "push". When I read the remark I looked around to find out what it meant, and what I found was passing mention of it and no follow-up too. But of course it's the fear tactic that works so well for the right and gets more people to buy guns out of fear, which increases the gun manufacturers' bottom line, so it's useful for that. Idjits, all of them who swallow the pablum put out by FauxNews, etc.
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