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Bain/Romney involved in outsourcing prior to 1999 anyway

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Wednesday, July 18, 2012 3:29 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


"Retired retroactively" doesn't work, Mr. Rmoney. Did you give back the salary you earned as CEO, single shareholder, etc., etc., of Bain for the years you have "retroactively retired"? If not, then you earned money for SOMETHING you did, yes?

Doesn't matter, all this idiocy about 1999. If Romney will stipulate that he was active in Bain BEFORE 1999, the result is the same:
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On April 17, 1998, Brookside Capital Partners Fund, a Bain Capital affiliate, filed a report with the Securities and Exchange Commission noting that it had acquired 6.13 percent of Hong Kong-based Global-Tech Appliances. Both SEC filings identified Romney as the person in control of this investment: "Mr. W. Mitt Romney is the sole shareholder, sole director, President and Chief Executive Officer of Brookside Inc. and thus is the controlling person of Brookside Inc." Romney's firm originally invested $14.2 million in the company.

The Global-Tech Appliances transactions occurred long before Romney jetted off to Utah. At the time Romney was acquiring shares in Global-Tech, the firm publicly acknowledged that its strategy was to profit from prominent US companies outsourcing production abroad. On September 4, 1998, Global-Tech issued a press release announcing it was postponing completion of a $30 million expansion of its Dongguan facility because Sunbeam, a prominent American consumer products company and a major client of Global-Tech, was cutting back on outsourcing as part of an overall consolidation. But John C.K. Sham, Global-Tech's president and CEO, said, "Although it appears that customers such as Sunbeam are not outsourcing their manufacturing as quickly as we had anticipated, we still believe that the long-term trend toward outsourcing will continue." Global-Tech, which in mid-1998 announced fiscal year sales of $118.3 million (an increase of 89 percent over the previous year), also manufactured household appliances for Hamilton Beach, Mr. Coffee, Proctor-Silex, Revlon, and Vidal Sassoon, and its chief exec was hoping for more outsourcing from these and other American firms.

Brookside was sharing its stake in Global-Tech with Sankaty High Yield Asset Investors LTD—a Bermuda-based corporation of which Romney was the "the sole shareholder, a director, and President." Sankaty "is among several Romney holdings that have not been fully disclosed" and that there is a "mystery surrounding" Sankaty. With Sankaty, Romney was using a mysterious Bermuda-based entity to invest in a Chinese firm that thrived on US outsourcing.

SEC filings show active Brookside and Sankaty trading in Global-Tech Appliances while Romney fully controlled these firms. The two Romney companies repeatedly changed their ownership stake in this Chinese firm, which was not shy about its dependence on outsourcing. In its 2001 annual report, Global-Tech noted that US outsourcing was essential to its prospects: "Household appliance companies are focusing on their primary strengths of marketing and distribution, while increasingly outsourcing product development and manufacturing…Our ability and commitment to develop new and innovative, high quality products at a low cost has allowed us to benefit from the increased outsourcing of product development and manufacturing by our customers." http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2012/07/bain-capital-mitt-romney-o
utsourcing-china-global-tech
there's
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Bain had throughout the 1990s—while Romney was very much in charge—been investing heavily in firms that did not simply send some jobs overseas but specialized in offshoring.

Bain’s foray into outsourcing began in 1993 when the private equity firm took a stake in Corporate Software Inc., or CSI, after helping to finance a $93 million buyout of the firm. CSI, which catered to technology companies like Microsoft, provided a range of services including outsourcing of customer support. Initially, CSI employed U.S. workers to provide these services but by the mid-1990s was setting up call centers outside the country.

Two years after Bain invested in the firm, CSI merged with another enterprise to form a new company called Stream International Inc. Stream immediately became active in the growing field of overseas calls centers. Bain was initially a minority shareholder in Stream and was active in running the company, providing “general executive and management services,” according to SEC filings.

By 1997, Stream was running three tech-support call centers in Europe and was part of a call center joint venture in Japan, an SEC filing shows. Stream continued to expand its overseas call centers. And Bain’s role also grew with time. It ultimately became the majority shareholder in Stream in 1999 several months after Romney left Bain to run the Salt Lake City Olympics.

The corporate merger that created Stream also gave birth to another, related business known as Modus Media Inc., which specialized in helping companies outsource their manufacturing. Modus Media was a subsidiary of Stream that became an independent company in early 1998. Bain was the largest shareholder, SEC filings show.

Modus Media grew rapidly. In December 1997, it announced it had contracted with Microsoft to produce software and training products at a center in Australia. Modus Media said it was already serving Microsoft from Asian locations in Singapore, South Korea, Japan and Taiwan and in Europe and the United States.

Two years later, Modus Media told the SEC it was performing outsource packaging and hardware assembly for IBM, Sun Microsystems, Hewlett-Packard Co. and Dell Computer Corp. The filing disclosed that Modus had operations on four continents, including Asian facilities in Singapore, Taiwan, China and South Korea, and European facilities in Ireland and France, and a center in Australia.

“Technology companies, in particular, have increasingly sought to outsource the business processes involved in their supply chains,” the filing said. “.?.?. We offer a range of services that provide our clients with a one-stop shop for their outsource requirements.”

According to a news release issued by Modus Media in 1997, its expansion of outsourcing services took place in close consultation with Bain. Terry Leahy, Modus’s chairman and chief executive, was quoted in the release as saying he would be “working closely with Bain on strategic expansion.” At the time, three Bain directors sat on the corporate board of Modus.

So how should we judge his responsibility for Bain activities? Well, on a sliding scale. It doesn’t have to be black-or-white. We can judge him as very responsible for its decisions pre-’99, as somewhat less responsible for its decisions between 1999 and 2002 and as less responsible yet for its activities post-2002. http://www.tnr.com/blog/plank/104930/mitts-luck-the-mistaken-focus-99-
pivot-point



So, in essence, the demand for Romney's tax returns in order to show he was involved in outsourcing is immaterial; there is already sufficient evidence Bain and Romney were involved with outsourcing. Obviously the call for Romney's tax returns is political gamesmanship. Which is the case on both sides--all sides--when it comes to politics.

Nonetheless, as I believe Anthony would say, the fact that he's so adamant about NOT releasing them makes me want them to be released more than ever.

You can go back to playing your "1999 or 2002" game, but there it is. Either Mitt Romney wasn't actively involved in Bain from 1993 on, in which case his claims of being a great businessman are pretty weak, or else he WAS involved and invested in companies that outsourced jobs from 1993 on. Take your pick.

By the way, "resigned retroactively" is a nice touch, since it supposedly explains
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"Romney said he will stay on as a part-timer with Bain, providing input on investment and key personnel decisions. But he will leave running day-to-day operations to Bain's executive committee." -Mitt Romney, quoted by the Boston Herald in February 1999 (Greg Gatlin, “Romney Looks To Restore Olympic Pride,” The Boston Herald, February 12, 1999)
or this, FROM BAIN CAPITAL
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"Bain Capital CEO W. Mitt Romney, currently on a part-time leave of absence to head the Salt Lake City Olympic Committee for the 2002 Games said..." -Press release by Bain Capital from July 19, 1999
So that's okay, he can retire retroactively back to 1999; as it turns out, that changes NOTHING.

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Wednesday, July 18, 2012 4:50 PM

NEWOLDBROWNCOAT


Saw a piece about this. The real hole card in the Bain retirement thing is that Bain bought an outfit called SteriCycle in late 1999. It's a hazardous waste firm. Among the other things it disposes of are aborted fetuses. Think of the wedge that would drive between Romney and the pro-lifers: abortions are bad, but it's OK to make money off of them? Not hardly gonna fly. Or if it does, shows up somebody's gigantic hypocricy.

The Demo Party REALLY wants to hang that one around Mitt's neck.

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Wednesday, July 18, 2012 7:03 PM

ANTHONYT

Freedom is Important because People are Important


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Originally posted by NewOldBrownCoat:
Saw a piece about this. The real hole card in the Bain retirement thing is that Bain bought an outfit called SteriCycle in late 1999. It's a hazardous waste firm. Among the other things it disposes of are aborted fetuses. Think of the wedge that would drive between Romney and the pro-lifers: abortions are bad, but it's OK to make money off of them? Not hardly gonna fly. Or if it does, shows up somebody's gigantic hypocricy.

The Demo Party REALLY wants to hang that one around Mitt's neck.



Hello,

I think this is a bit of a stretch, and not the issue you want to use to sink Mr. Romney.

I can't think of any opinion an abortion opponent could possibly hold except that aborted fetuses should be disposed of in some way. And if pressed, I even see the GOP mentioning that 'This is just one more way we are forced to clean up your mess.'

If removal of Romney as a viable candidate is desired (I endorse such a goal, as I don't care for him) then the object must be to find a flaw that is critically harmful and has no logical explanation or escape. A waste disposal firm is not the issue you are looking for.



--Anthony



Note to Self:
Raptor - woman testifying about birth control is a slut (the term fits.)
Six - Wow, isn't Niki quite the CUNT? And, yes, I spell that in all caps....
Wulf - Niki is a stupid fucking bitch who should hurry up and die.

“The stupid neither forgive nor forget; the naive forgive and forget; the wise forgive but do not forget.” -Thomas Szasz


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Thursday, July 19, 2012 3:37 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Anthony, it's not the disposal business or the disposal of aborted material that's the critical issue in this; it's the fact that Romney proclaimed himself quite pro-choice at the time. In other words, he was in favor of abortion when he was making money off it. It points up the idea that he will do literally *ANYTHING* if there's profit in it for him.



"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero


"I've not watched the video either, or am incapable of intellectually dealing with the substance of this thread, so I'll instead act like a juvenile and claim victory..." - Rappy

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Thursday, July 19, 2012 3:46 AM

ANTHONYT

Freedom is Important because People are Important


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It points up the idea that he will do literally *ANYTHING* if there's profit in it for him.


Hello,

I assumed thit was the reason for his flip flopping on everything since forever. Whenever it profits him, he changes his (declared) point of view. It's a neon sign that says, "I can be bought."

But such a position, that is- bribability- seems to be a requisite for serious political candidates.

--Anthony








Note to Self:
Raptor - woman testifying about birth control is a slut (the term fits.)
Six - Wow, isn't Niki quite the CUNT? And, yes, I spell that in all caps....
Wulf - Niki is a stupid fucking bitch who should hurry up and die.

“The stupid neither forgive nor forget; the naive forgive and forget; the wise forgive but do not forget.” -Thomas Szasz


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Thursday, July 19, 2012 7:40 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


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Whenever it profits him, he changes his (declared) point of view. It's a neon sign that says, "I can be bought."
Romney in a nutshell, that is.

And yes, it seems to be the way things are going, what with PACs and all...sad as hell, that. Yeah, politicians have always done such things, but now it's so blatant and accepted, it makes me ill.


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Friday, July 20, 2012 4:04 AM

CAVETROLL


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Originally posted by Niki2:
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Whenever it profits him, he changes his (declared) point of view. It's a neon sign that says, "I can be bought."
Romney in a nutshell, that is.


Quoth the Pot, "Oh, Kettle, thy hue be ebon."

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/07/romney-camp-calls-obama-t
aking-bain-donations-height-of-hypocrisy
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...“President Obama has based his entire reelection campaign on a vicious, dishonest assault on Mitt Romney’s business career. The real question for President Obama is this: if Bain Capital is so bad, why have you taken nearly $120,000 in donations from them?” said Romney spokeswoman Andrea Saul. “President Obama’s actions are the height of hypocrisy.”...
...According to the Center for Responsive Politics, which tracks Federal Election Commission data, Obama has collected $118,121 from donors who list Bain as their employer between June 2004 and May 2012. The period covers Obama’s bid for the Senate and his presidential campaigns...


So, Obama has been PROVEN to be a hypocrite. If his position is that it is bad for Bain to make money, it is just as bad for Obama to accept and spend that money.



Kwindbago, hot air and angry electrons

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Friday, July 20, 2012 4:10 AM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up


Hmm.

An article from Mother Jones and a blog from the New Republic, and you complain about Rap posting something from Brietbart?

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Friday, July 20, 2012 4:34 AM

JONGSSTRAW


How many thousands of jobs did GE CEO Immelt ship over to China since 2000? So many in fact that Obama appointed Immelt as his jobs czarina. And he's done a bang up job ever since, hasn't he, creating zero jobs while collecting a fat undeserved Govt. check from the taxpayers.

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2011/01/manufacturing-alliance-ch
ief-obama-turning-to-one-of-countrys-leading-outsourcers-in-immelt
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Friday, July 20, 2012 4:38 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Quote:

Originally posted by NewOldBrownCoat:
Saw a piece about this. The real hole card in the Bain retirement thing is that Bain bought an outfit called SteriCycle in late 1999. It's a hazardous waste firm. Among the other things it disposes of are aborted fetuses. Think of the wedge that would drive between Romney and the pro-lifers: abortions are bad, but it's OK to make money off of them? Not hardly gonna fly. Or if it does, shows up somebody's gigantic hypocricy.



YAY!!!!!

That's the PERFECT ARGUMENT AGAINST ROMNEY NOBC!!!!!

All I can picture after reading it is a horriffic image of me, standing in front of a bailer at "The Mart", but instead of throwing cardboard in there, I'm throwing in a bunch of dead fetuses.

If we were really "recycling" them, at least we'd have some stem cells left over. But no, we're just throwing out the "trash" for a few bucks.



Ooooohhhhh.... Make this point known before it's too late.

We need this future lame duck out of office before he gets elected!

"A government is a body of people, usually notably ungoverned." ~Shepherd Book

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Friday, July 20, 2012 8:03 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


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Originally posted by Geezer:
Hmm.

An article from Mother Jones and a blog from the New Republic, and you complain about Rap posting something from Brietbart?




Hmmm... for all your supposed nonpartisanship, you DON'T complain about Rappy posting something from Breitbart? Oh, hell, when's the last time you complained about ANYTHING Rappy posted? When's the last time you cried about him using "out of context" quotes, for instance?

Never? Does never sound about right?



"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero


"I've not watched the video either, or am incapable of intellectually dealing with the substance of this thread, so I'll instead act like a juvenile and claim victory..." - Rappy

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Friday, July 20, 2012 8:25 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Geezer: Are any of the facts wrong? Dispute that, if you will...I snarked at Breitbart because what was posted was a hugely partisan scree with little value; if you don't like the cites I offer, show that the FACTS they present are wrong.

Troll, that's funnier than hell. Bain EMPLOYEES donated to Obama--which has nothing whatsoever to do with Romney--and which, I assume, means they want Obama as Prez? If Romney was CEO, Manager, yada, yada, you'd think they'd be donating to their boss, wouldn't you? Must be some reason they prefer Obama...

As to Obama taking money from Bain EMPLOYEES, why shouldn't he? They have as much right as anyone else to donate to a candidate, and I'm sure Obama goes over every single donation to be sure it's not coming from someone he disapproves of...you betcha!


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