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"NOW Do You Believe in Global Warming?"
Tuesday, July 24, 2012 4:40 AM
NIKI2
Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...
Wednesday, July 25, 2012 4:09 AM
Quote:An ice chunk twice the size of Manhattan broke off of Greenland last week, in another sign of Arctic warming. The 46-square-mile piece of the Petermann Glacier in Greenland “calved” away from the mainland on Monday. It tore along a crack in the glacier that researchers have been watching for years. Another iceberg twice its size (i.e., four times the size of Manhattan) broke off the same glacier in 2010. This striking video by New Scientist shows the damage Petermann has sustained over the past few years. A time-lapse gives a dramatic display of the earliest loss from the glacier (beginning in 2009).
Wednesday, July 25, 2012 8:24 AM
Wednesday, July 25, 2012 10:19 AM
AURAPTOR
America loves a winner!
Quote:Originally posted by kpo: Quote:I think he's snarking about Obama having said small businesses don't get created by one person. Not sure, but that's what it sounds like. Oh, the line about small businesses Obama didn't say, but Romney edited to make it sound as though he had? It's not personal. It's just war.
Quote:I think he's snarking about Obama having said small businesses don't get created by one person. Not sure, but that's what it sounds like.
Wednesday, July 25, 2012 10:22 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Niki2:
Wednesday, July 25, 2012 10:32 AM
1KIKI
Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.
Wednesday, July 25, 2012 10:47 AM
STORYMARK
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: No, the line Obama actually DID say, and Romney rightfully replayed, full and in context.
Wednesday, July 25, 2012 10:49 AM
Quote:The planet has its own dynamic life process. As carbon dioxide levels increase, the planet responds by increasing plant growth (more specifically, a higher supply of carbon dioxide makes a more favorable environment for photosynthetic organisms, like algae). Likewise, as temperatures rise, there is an increase in available water to life forms. Here, again, a more favorable environment for photosynthetic organisms, as water and carbon dioxide are respired to give off oxygen. As the water and CO2 are removed from the atmosphere and ground, the temperature decreases. While this process takes a mere blink of the planet's proverbial eye, it could take thousands of years. Once the cooling begins to take place, the temperature continues to drop until the photosynthetic life begins to die off due to lack of nutrients. The dead photosynthetic life then decays and decomposes, releasing CO2 and water, beginning the rise of temperatures again.
Quote:The planet Venus has survived global warming. There the atmosphere is 95% carbon dioxide and all the oceans have boiled dry. The surface temperature there is 894°F (480°C), but the planet has survived. But it's not the same as it was when it was cooler, and had oceans.
Wednesday, July 25, 2012 10:55 AM
KPO
Sometimes you own the libs. Sometimes, the libs own you.
Quote:No, the line Obama actually DID say, and Romney rightfully replayed, full and in context. Same line as you're talking about, but some how you've fallen prey to the brain washing from the MSM.
Wednesday, July 25, 2012 10:58 AM
Quote:What is this 'real science' that you're referring to? Is it right-wing blogs and Daily Mail articles? Would you recognise real scientific literature, if you saw it? Would you recognise propaganda masquerading as 'real science' if you saw it?
Wednesday, July 25, 2012 11:14 AM
Wednesday, July 25, 2012 11:26 AM
Quote:"If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you’ve got a business -- you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen. So we say to ourselves, ever since the founding of this country, you know what, there are some things we do better together. That’s how we funded the G.I. Bill. That’s how we created the middle class. That’s how we built the Golden Gate Bridge or the Hoover Dam. That’s how we invented the Internet. That’s how we sent a man to the moon. We rise or fall together as one nation and as one people.
Quote:A team of 30 scientists across the globe ( http://www.stockholmresilience.org/research/researchnews/tippingtowardstheunknown/contactdetails.4.1fe8f33123572b59ab800010646.html) have determined that the nine environmental processes named above must remain within specific limits, otherwise the "safe operating space" within which humankind can exist on Earth will be threatened. The group has set numeric limits for seven of the nine so far (chemical pollution and aerosol loading are still being pinned down). And the researchers have determined that the world has already crossed the boundary in three cases: biodiversity loss, the nitrogen cycle and climate change. Up to 30% of mammals, birds and amphibians will be threatened with extinction in this century; Biodiversity loss has happened faster in the past 50 years than at any other time in human history; We're losing ice sheets; sea levels are rising; weather patterns are changing; Carbon dioxide is making the oceans more acidic, causing the loss of corals, shellfish and plankton; Widespread fertilizer use is changing the nitrogen and phosphorous cycles even more than the carbon cycle; Excess nitrogen and phosphorous pollute our rivers, lakes, oceans and atmosphere; Global freshwater use doubles every 20 years, at more than twice the rate of population growth; We've already passed the tipping point of climate change, biodiversity loss and nitrogen levels; We're about to pass the tipping point of freshwater consumption, ocean acidification, land use and phosphorous levels. Jon Foley, director of the University of Minnesota’s Institute on the Environment, and a leader of the group, lays out the limits and their implications for human action in an article ( http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=boundaries-for-a-healthy-planet) in Scientific American‘s April issue. http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/observations/2010/03/19/is-earth-past-the-tipping-point/
Wednesday, July 25, 2012 11:30 AM
Wednesday, July 25, 2012 2:58 PM
Quote: "Well, the problem is you left out the sentence that I made before so what I said was together we build roads and we build bridges and so if you've got a business, you didn't build that...Meaning the roads and the bridges, not your business. And anybody who actually watched the tape knows that's what I was referring to. That's a point I've made millions of times and that's a point Mr. Romney has made as well so I think it's just a bogus issue.
Wednesday, July 25, 2012 3:35 PM
MAL4PREZ
Wednesday, July 25, 2012 5:14 PM
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: Obama is lying. Quote: "Well, the problem is you left out the sentence that I made before so what I said was together we build roads and we build bridges and so if you've got a business, you didn't build that...Meaning the roads and the bridges, not your business. And anybody who actually watched the tape knows that's what I was referring to. That's a point I've made millions of times and that's a point Mr. Romney has made as well so I think it's just a bogus issue. The full quote, in context.... “If you’ve been successful, you didn’t get there on your own, ” Obama said. “You didn’t get there on your own. I’m always struck by people who think, well, it must be because I was just so smart. There are a lot of smart people out there. It must be because I worked harder than everybody else. Let me tell you something – there are a whole bunch of hardworking people out there. If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you’ve got a business. you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen.” 'Business' is singular. IF YOU'VE GOT A BUSINESS, YOU DIDN'T BUILD THAT Roads and Bridges ...are plural. Meaning MANY roads and bridges. He did't say ALL that, referring to many or several bridges. He could have, but he didn't. Or maybe Obama also meant that someone else BUILT those teachers ? It's utterly nonsensical to believe Obama WASN'T talking about building a small business, as the word "that" is literally in the same sentence as the word " business ", to which 'that' refers. Yes, small business owners did, indeed BUILD THAT.
Wednesday, July 25, 2012 5:25 PM
Quote:Originally posted by mal4prez: Niki - your own language reveals something sad. Global warming is not a belief system. It makes no sense to ask whether anyone BELIEVES in it or not. Evidence supports it, or not. Personal belief has no bearing on the matter.
Wednesday, July 25, 2012 5:45 PM
SIGNYM
I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.
Wednesday, July 25, 2012 7:11 PM
Quote:Originally posted by kpo: Quote:Originally posted by mal4prez: Niki - your own language reveals something sad. Global warming is not a belief system. It makes no sense to ask whether anyone BELIEVES in it or not. Evidence supports it, or not. Personal belief has no bearing on the matter. But face it Mal4, the majority of people are not scientists, and are not capable of reviewing all the evidence, and interpreting it. The evidence may be clear to climate scientists, but it simply isn't to the man on the street; this man to a large extent has to take it on faith (or not) that the scientists know what they are doing, and are telling him the truth. So I would contend that for the majority of people 'belief' is the right word. It's not personal. It's just war.
Wednesday, July 25, 2012 7:40 PM
OONJERAH
Thursday, July 26, 2012 4:52 AM
Thursday, July 26, 2012 5:36 AM
Thursday, July 26, 2012 10:01 AM
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Friday, July 27, 2012 3:25 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Auraptor: If I believe YOU, and ignore real science
Friday, August 3, 2012 7:52 AM
Quote:It is a chilly morning in Olenguruone village on the southern flank of the Rift Valley, but Gloria Chepng’etich is warming up to the task at hand. Spread neatly on her workbench are bamboo splices that the 21-year-old will weave into floor mats over the next hour or so. She will then pass the handicraft to her colleague, Zipporah Sirui, who will finish it with touches of dye, blending it into a colorful mix of orange, red, and gray. A single mat fetches around $50, enough for each of them to buy cooking flour and save some money for a rainy day. PICTURES: Sustaining the Environment Beyond their work, Chepng’etich and Sirui have something else in common – both are internally displaced persons (IDPs). They were among the thousands of families evicted by the Kenyan government from the Mau forest complex in 2009, following pressure by environmentalists to rehabilitate the area. The complex, which comprises 16 blocks of forest on the western side of the Rift Valley, is the largest indigenous forest in East Africa, generating and capturing rainfall that is a crucial resource for Kenya and beyond and a significant factor in mitigating the regional effects of climate change. The eviction of forest residents won the government national and international praise, with officials arguing that it would reduce illegal harvesting of forest resources and create space for reforestation in the complex. But the social and economic costs were high. “We were sent to the Kurbanyat IDP camp,” says Chepng’etich. “For a long time we relied on relief food, but the officials started stealing it.” Destitute and desperate is how officials with the BamCraft Project found the two, and hundreds of other IDPs. The project is a partnership of Kenya Forestry Research Institute (KEFRI), the United Nations Industrial Development Organization, and the government of Japan. Now the IDPs are finding a new way to make a living – without cutting trees – by turning to bamboo farming. At the nearby Kapkempu IDP camp, Hudson Sang’ has been piecing together refined bamboo planks, which he will craft into furniture, selling a set for about $100. “We have about an acre of land under bamboo,” says Sang’. “After harvesting [the bamboo] we make tables, chairs, floor mats, baskets, brooms, necklaces, sugar dishes, smoking pipes, and even wine cups.” The land has been loaned to Sang’ and other IDPs by well-wishers while they await permanent resettlement by the government. As a result of the bamboo project, he no longer has to worry about the forest guards who enforce a ban that since 2000 has restricted the harvesting of forest resources from all government forests. The legislation requires Kenyans to seek permission from local authorities before cutting down any tree from their farms, but it does not apply to bamboo since the plant is classified as a giant grass, officials say. The legislation prompted the Kenya Forestry Research Institute to investigate opportunities offered by nontimber products and their potential to reduce pressure on forests, says Gordon Sigu, a research scientist working with the institution. “Our research has shown that the grass … can supplement the rising demand for timber both at home and abroad,” Sigu said. He said bamboo grows very quickly and a farmer does not need a big area of land to cultivate it. Farmers in central Kenya are pleased with bamboo’s commercial value, and a growing number of them are adopting bamboo farming to supply industrial fiber, as well as planks for the construction sector. “Before I came to know about its value I used bamboo for fencing,” says Moses Kamiri, a farmer in central Kenya. “But the last harvest fetched me enough money to feed my family and pay school fees.” The institute estimates that Kenya is home to 14 species of bamboo growing on some 150,000 hectares [370,000 acres] of land – more than a fifth of which lies within the Mau complex – but it says that a lot goes to waste because few people understand its commercial value. According to KEFRI’s Rift Valley regional director, Joshua Cheboiywo, the country has the capacity to generate almost 25 million stems of bamboo per year without taking too much of the country’s water supply. A 2010 government survey indicates that Kenya has a forest cover of 5.9 percent. The government hopes that the use of bamboo as an alternative timber resource, together with enforcement of the ban on logging in the Mau complex, will help the country make headway towards the target envisioned in the country’s constitution of 10 percent forest cover within the next 30 years.
Friday, August 3, 2012 5:14 PM
PIRATENEWS
John Lee, conspiracy therapist at Hollywood award-winner History Channel-mocked SNL-spoofed PirateNew.org wooHOO!!!!!!
Saturday, August 4, 2012 4:52 PM
6IXSTRINGJACK
Quote:Originally posted by NewOldBrownCoat: Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: In just over 2 years I had turned 13k into 15.6k in my Roth IRA. I thought I was the Wall Street Kid.... So when the DOW dropped from around 15k down to 12k, I thought it would be a good time to invest in a name brand like GE. It topped out at about 42 bucks a share and I figured I was getting a bargain at 27 bucks a share. I also spent just about as much on US Bankcorp, which was giving a 5.25% dividend when savings accounts were giving less than 1%. Shortly after about 8k in those 2 purchases, the bottom fell out and I saw my 13k (plus 2.6k) turn into just over 6k in about 8 months. (This was money I'd already paid taxes on and didn't have a company match on either). I rode it out. I didn't panic sell because I didn't need the money at the time. By the time I sold both of those stocks, they weren't worth as much as I'd paid for them, but they recovered greatly. My other big winners on the side lines helped push my final outcome to 13.2k. 200 bucks interest on 13k isn't too shabby for 4 years in this climate. I just did the quick math. $200 interest on 13,000 over 4 year is .38 % a year simple interest, 1.5 + a tiny decimal % over the 4 years total. Depending on just what ammount under 1% those savings accounts were paying, you might have been better off overall.
Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: In just over 2 years I had turned 13k into 15.6k in my Roth IRA. I thought I was the Wall Street Kid.... So when the DOW dropped from around 15k down to 12k, I thought it would be a good time to invest in a name brand like GE. It topped out at about 42 bucks a share and I figured I was getting a bargain at 27 bucks a share. I also spent just about as much on US Bankcorp, which was giving a 5.25% dividend when savings accounts were giving less than 1%. Shortly after about 8k in those 2 purchases, the bottom fell out and I saw my 13k (plus 2.6k) turn into just over 6k in about 8 months. (This was money I'd already paid taxes on and didn't have a company match on either). I rode it out. I didn't panic sell because I didn't need the money at the time. By the time I sold both of those stocks, they weren't worth as much as I'd paid for them, but they recovered greatly. My other big winners on the side lines helped push my final outcome to 13.2k. 200 bucks interest on 13k isn't too shabby for 4 years in this climate.
Sunday, August 26, 2012 3:07 PM
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