Mitt's London charm offensive by kpo

So, here's what I wonder. Is Mitt doing what most reasonable people would do in this situation, which is hunching up with a hand over their face muttering: "I'm such a fucking moron. I really screwed this up. Gotta do better next time..." Or is he continuing to prance about with a smug smile of self-satisfaction, completely unaware as he brags: "I rock! I'm the best! What British news headlines? What America headlines? I'm a bazillionaire! I'm the Romnster! I can do no wrong!"

From what I've seen of this man in the past year, I'm guessing the latter. I think Mitt manages to isolate himself (with plenty of help from his yes-men and clingers-on) from anything negative or even self-judgmental. Which would explain how he does stupid shit like this in the first place.

I mean really. He wants to be a politician, and he's this clueless? Yikes!

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Friday, July 27, 2012 10:29 AM

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

You know what I find strangest about all of this? The SPIN! Romney said "You know, it's hard to know just how well it will turn out," he said. "There are a few things that were disconcerting, the stories about the private security firm not having enough people, the supposed strike of the immigration and customs officials. That obviously is not something which is encouraging." There's nothing false in that, those things HAVE happened and have been in the news. It's maybe not as diplomatic as one might hope, but there's nothing false--nor particularly negative--about concerns like that. Hell, the Brits have probably been chewing their fingernails to the quick about it themselves.

So the British people get pissed off, snark back, it makes news everywhere over here, and it's a whole big deal. He didn't apologize, that's true, but he went on to say all kinds of good things every chance he got, including:

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"When the games themselves begin and the athletes take over, all of the mistakes that the organizing committee -- and I made a few -- all of those are overwhelmed by the many things that the athletes carry out that capture the spirit of the games," Romney told reporters.

"What I've seen shows imagination and forethought and a lot of organization and expect the games to be highly successful," he added.

Okay, he's still Romney, he still looks and sounds self-satisfied and smug, but that's just Romney...he ALWAYS looks like that!

the whole thing, in my opinion, should have been shuffed off by the PM, saying something like "Yes, we've had our problems--putting together an Olympics always does--but we'll be fine once it gets going". I don't think the PM making a big deal out of it was particularly "diplomatic" either.

Sometimes the media really pisses me off!

I read somewhere that some newspaper wrote "Do we have another Dubya?" Jeezus, one remark and suddenly he's like the guy who invaded a country on lies, roped them into going along, etc., etc. because of one remark!

The guy can't catch a break...in this instance, I think it's totally unfounded and unfair.

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Friday, July 27, 2012 10:36 AM

HKCAVALIER

As far as I can see, his every move on the compaign has been to galvanize him with a base that is inherently hostile to him (the Mormon thing is a really big deal with the fundies), a base that seems at this point to be so filled with rage that pissing off everyone whom the liberals think one should treat with respect is in Romney's best interest. NAACP? the whole of Britain? Same difference. It's all straight out of the Bush Doctrine.

HKCavalier

Hey, hey, hey, don't be mean. We don't have to be mean, because, remember, no matter where you go, there you are.

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Friday, July 27, 2012 11:11 AM

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

There is that; that his base was more comfortable with Bush's bullying of other countries, "American exceptionalism", "Freedom Fries" and all that crap. You may be right; offending the Brits might well play with them. Might make them even more defensive of him, being mistreated by "those foreigners". I just don't see him having done it deliberatel, just unthinkingly.

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Friday, July 27, 2012 11:23 AM

No, he didn't say anything false, but he's supposed to be a POLITICIAN, and show his DIPLOMATIC side. That was the whole point of this trip!

Say someone's throwing a big party and they're a bit nervous about carrying it off, and a good friend gets there a a few minutes early, when it's too late to change anything. All the friend can do is lend moral support. The friend should NOT walk in and say: "This decor looks pretty shabby. Is that all the food you have? And you're serving THOSE drinks? Boy, I'm worried about how this is going to go. I set up my own party MUCH better than this."

No no no! In this situation a good friend talks up the positive, greets people at the door and puts the best face on things. This is basic common sense on how to be sociable. Romney, obviously, has no fucking clue.

Mitt has shown that he is a big FAIL at yet another aspect of the office of POTUS. Really, it's not that I love Obama, because I don't. But Romney is just appalling. I didn't think it could be possible, but he's beginning to lower himself to the level of W. I really see nothing positive about him, which was not true of McCain. I actually didn't mind McCain until the Palin debacle showed him to be somewhat clueless.

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Friday, July 27, 2012 11:24 AM

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Originally posted by HKCavalier:
As far as I can see, his every move on the compaign has been to galvanize him with a base that is inherently hostile to him (the Mormon thing is a really big deal with the fundies), a base that seems at this point to be so filled with rage that pissing off everyone whom the liberals think one should treat with respect is in Romney's best interest. NAACP? the whole of Britain? Same difference. It's all straight out of the Bush Doctrine.

HKCavalier

Hey, hey, hey, don't be mean. We don't have to be mean, because, remember, no matter where you go, there you are.

So - you think he's offending these people deliberately? Really?

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Friday, July 27, 2012 11:47 AM

HKCAVALIER

I think he's intending not to be overly kind or diplomatic because he believes he needs to contrast himself with the Great Apologizer. The rest just comes naturally because he's kind of a dick. I'm telling you, the far right is eating this up.

HKCavalier

Hey, hey, hey, don't be mean. We don't have to be mean, because, remember, no matter where you go, there you are.

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Friday, July 27, 2012 12:35 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!

Mitt knows what the hell he's talking about.

He didn't in the least bit say anything 'controversial'.

This is just London's extreme, hard core socialists mouthing off, and nothing more.

No story here, what so ever.

" We're all just folk. " - Mal

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

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Friday, July 27, 2012 12:38 PM

PENGUIN

Here's a response to Romney from a young lady in Manchester, England...

"but also, this Romney dickhead, you can keep him.
Firstly, he insults England...
then he insults the bacon butty by adding mustard

and then, to make it worse, he claims to hail from manchester...MY MANCHESTER.
well, i am here to tell you that, as official representative of manchester, we hereby officially disown your ugly white arse, go the fuck home and DONT COME BACK."

Appears Romney didn't go over too well...

King of the Mythical Land that is Iowa

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Friday, July 27, 2012 1:21 PM

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)

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Originally posted by MAL4PREZ:
No, he didn't say anything false, but he's supposed to be a POLITICIAN, and show his DIPLOMATIC side. That was the whole point of this trip!

Say someone's throwing a big party and they're a bit nervous about carrying it off, and a good friend gets there a a few minutes early, when it's too late to change anything. All the friend can do is lend moral support. The friend should NOT walk in and say: "This decor looks pretty shabby. Is that all the food you have? And you're serving THOSE drinks? Boy, I'm worried about how this is going to go. I set up my own party MUCH better than this."

No no no! In this situation a good friend talks up the positive, greets people at the door and puts the best face on things. This is basic common sense on how to be sociable. Romney, obviously, has no fucking clue.

Mitt has shown that he is a big FAIL at yet another aspect of the office of POTUS. Really, it's not that I love Obama, because I don't. But Romney is just appalling. I didn't think it could be possible, but he's beginning to lower himself to the level of W. I really see nothing positive about him, which was not true of McCain. I actually didn't mind McCain until the Palin debacle showed him to be somewhat clueless.

Well, he did try to make it all better today by reversing himself and taking yet another new position on it.

Is anyone honestly surprised by this?

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

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Friday, July 27, 2012 1:31 PM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:

This is just London's extreme, hard core socialists mouthing off, and nothing more.

Huh. Just London's socialists, eh?

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

"The groin cup and throat protector have about as much ballistic protection as the kneepads I wear when I'm doing a job that requires me to be on my knees." - Troll

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Friday, July 27, 2012 1:39 PM

Somebody said that Mitt's charm offensive lacked any charm and was mildly offensive.

D'OH!!

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Friday, July 27, 2012 1:42 PM

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
Well, he did try to make it all better today by reversing himself and taking yet another new position on it.

Is anyone honestly surprised by this?

Which kind of suggests that maybe one or two brain cells in there knows that he screwed up. He's trying to fix it.

HK, I can see your point that maybe Mitt he doesn't care so much about offending certain people because it is pretty much the GOP way to offend those groups. You know, the not "real Americans." But I really really doubt he wants to do stupid things like this. The demographics of the voting public is too well known. You know Romney has been trying to do the full etch-a-sketch, to make himself look somewhat appealing to the general public. There is no way he set out on this trip with hopes of pissing off all of England. Even if the small racist anglo-phobic heart of the GOP is loving it, that subgroup is not enough to win him the election. He has to be aware of that.

No, I think this man just has diarrhea of the mouth, and he got it by living most of his life in a little bubble where he wasn't held ever accountable for being an asshole.

Which is why I wonder if he *feels* accountable for it now. Is this man capable of realizing what a fool he's making of himself?

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Friday, July 27, 2012 1:46 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!

Mitt, who has run and excelled in putting on a Olympic games himself ( something Obama could never do ) was merely giving his opinion on the troubles London has had, which have been well reported, and what a huge task the city ( and nation )has in front of it.

Because he didn't kneel down and kiss them in their happy place, he's being painted as a villain?

Beyond ridiculous. Londoners need to grow a pair and go run their games.

" We're all just folk. " - Mal

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

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Friday, July 27, 2012 1:51 PM

WHOZIT

If I'm right (I always am) Barry couldn't get the Olympics to go to Chicago, Romney saved one.

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Friday, July 27, 2012 1:53 PM

FREMDFIRMA

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Originally posted by MAL4PREZ:
No, I think this man just has diarrhea of the mouth, and he got it by living most of his life in a little bubble where he wasn't held ever accountable for being an asshole.

Which is why I wonder if he *feels* accountable for it now. Is this man capable of realizing what a fool he's making of himself?

No.

He is, much like Shrub, a classic RWA surrounded by yes-men and sycophantic ass-kissers also of the RWA bent in who's eyes he can do no wrong, you and HKC have prettymuch nailed it dead square - remember this is also much of the same cabal who thought sending Bolton to the UN was a good idea, an act which set our relations with EVERY OTHER COUNTRY ON THE PLANET (save one, which I no longer recognize the legitimacy of) back about a century.

And people wonder why I wanna go all Robespierre on the quislings and collaborators who enable these scumbags and loft them into positions of power....

-Frem

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Friday, July 27, 2012 1:54 PM

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Originally posted by whozit:
If I'm right (I always am) Barry couldn't get the Olympics to go to Chicago, Romney saved one.

Winter Olympics in Chicago. Now there's a brilliant GOP kind of idea!

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Friday, July 27, 2012 2:02 PM

WHOZIT

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Originally posted by MAL4PREZ:
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Originally posted by whozit:
If I'm right (I always am) Barry couldn't get the Olympics to go to Chicago, Romney saved one.

Winter Olympics in Chicago. Now there's a brilliant GOP kind of idea!

It was Barry's idea

:you are stupid:

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Friday, July 27, 2012 2:21 PM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:

Mitt, who has run and excelled in putting on a Olympic games himself ( something Obama could never do ) was merely giving his opinion on the troubles London has had, which have been well reported, and what a huge task the city ( and nation )has in front of it.

Did Mittens "build that" all by himself when he put on the Olympics?

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

"The groin cup and throat protector have about as much ballistic protection as the kneepads I wear when I'm doing a job that requires me to be on my knees." - Troll

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Friday, July 27, 2012 2:22 PM

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Friday, July 27, 2012 2:50 PM

BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!

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Friday, July 27, 2012 5:39 PM

KPO

Sometimes you own the libs. Sometimes, the libs own you.

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This is just London's extreme, hard core socialists

David Cameron, Boris Johnson, The Times, The Telegraph, The Daily Mail???

Try again Rapster.

It's not personal. It's just war.

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Saturday, July 28, 2012 3:22 AM

Mitt Romney, who Republicans will tell you "saved" the 2002 Salt Lake City Olympics, did so by getting over a billion dollars from the federal government.

So Mitt, you didn't build that!

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

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Saturday, July 28, 2012 3:45 AM

"Syria is Iran's route to the sea!"

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Saturday, July 28, 2012 5:41 AM

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

Okay, I see the argument against his having done it deliberately, and I agree. He's trying to look like a "statesman", so yeah, I doubt he had any intention of looking like a fool instead...he's already got his base and there are better ways to cowtow to them (like remarks about England when he gets home); all this did was make him look worse on foreign affairs, which I'm sure he DOESN'T want. It was just Mitt being Mitt--talking off the top of his head in a way HE thinks is reasonable and right, without realizing how people would take his remarks.

Some diplomat.

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Saturday, July 28, 2012 5:54 AM

Don't forget his remarks about looking out the ass of Downing Street. That was right up there with JFK's quip about being a jelly donut!

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

"The groin cup and throat protector have about as much ballistic protection as the kneepads I wear when I'm doing a job that requires me to be on my knees." - Troll

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Saturday, July 28, 2012 10:25 AM

STORYMARK

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Originally posted by HKCavalier:
I think he's intending not to be overly kind or diplomatic because he believes he needs to contrast himself with the Great Apologizer. The rest just comes naturally because he's kind of a dick. I'm telling you, the far right is eating this up.

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Originally posted by AURaptor:

Mitt knows what the hell he's talking about.

He didn't in the least bit say anything 'controversial'.

This is just London's extreme, hard core socialists mouthing off, and nothing more.

Great timing, HK. You couldn't have asked for a better case-in-point example.

Note to anyone - Please pity the poor, poor wittle Rappyboy. He's feeling put upon lately, what with all those facts disagreeing with what he believes.

"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

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Saturday, July 28, 2012 11:20 AM

NEWOLDBROWNCOAT

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Originally posted by Niki2:
It was just Mitt being Mitt--talking off the top of his head in a way HE thinks is reasonable and right, without realizing how people would take his remarks.

Maybe HE OUGHTTTA use a Teleprompter. Might be a good idea.

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Saturday, July 28, 2012 11:38 AM

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Originally posted by NewOldBrownCoat:
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Originally posted by Niki2:
It was just Mitt being Mitt--talking off the top of his head in a way HE thinks is reasonable and right, without realizing how people would take his remarks.

Maybe HE OUGHTTTA use a Teleprompter. Might be a good idea.

Nah. Do it like Sarah - write the notes on his palm.

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Saturday, July 28, 2012 2:23 PM

KPO

Sometimes you own the libs. Sometimes, the libs own you.

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Nah. Do it like Sarah - write the notes on his palm.

I miss her...

It's not personal. It's just war.

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Saturday, July 28, 2012 4:39 PM

JONGSSTRAW

After all the primaries and all the debates one would think that Romney would have smoothed out some of his rough edges by now when speaking in public or during tv interviews, but he hasn't. But it is easy to understand why he has 36 children; the man is made entirely of wood.

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Sunday, July 29, 2012 3:12 AM

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Originally posted by NewOldBrownCoat:
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Originally posted by Niki2:
It was just Mitt being Mitt--talking off the top of his head in a way HE thinks is reasonable and right, without realizing how people would take his remarks.

Maybe HE OUGHTTTA use a Teleprompter. Might be a good idea.

Nope. He tried that when he spoke to the NAACP. Didn't help.

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Sunday, July 29, 2012 6:27 AM

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

Yes, it's been remarked many times that he doesn't do so well when he goes "off script". The problem is, when he thinks for himself I believe he thinks he IS "on message" a lot of the time, he just doesn't have a SCRIPT all the time. It's that his perspective is SO badly skewed...like saying the cookies didn't look hand made, and how that offended the bakery they'd come from!

I don't think you can "smooth out" someone like Romney. He sees no problem in saying the things he does, because they ARE perfectly reasonable within his "class" and he knows no better. That, and ego gets in the way. He's a pretty bad candidate for national office; he could get away with this stuff if running for a lower office, especially some kind of state office, but the scrutiny on a national candidate makes everything trickier.

It seems to me that his team hasn't been doing really well either, so if he's not getting advice from a savvy team, they're not helping the situation.

Teleprompter wouldn't have helped at the NAACP. I think he said exactly what they planned for him to say. Showing that African-Americans don't like him was, I believe, the purpose. Not so much what he said in England.

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Sunday, July 29, 2012 6:29 AM

Keeping order in every verse

Oh, this is certainly a story. And has far wider consequences than you can imagine. Like it or not, GB still has some influence in the world, and being slated by a supposed presidential hopeful will not go down too well AT ALL!!!
My own opinion.....who the HELL is Mitt Romney, and why is he here. And if you are going to elect a leader called MITT or NEWT, do not expect to be taken seriously by ANYBODY, let alone the British.
By the way, the games are going just fine thank you. Not bad for such an incompetent little nation that is so obviously beholden to you, don't you think?
,

With the grace of age, commander, we learn to accept.

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Sunday, July 29, 2012 6:36 AM

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

HEY PK! Have I missed you being around, or have you not been around? I've missed your voice mightily--not just 'cuz I like you despite some of our disagreements, but because I treasure ALL voices from outside the State, for reasons I mentioned to Magons.

Interstingly, we had a vacationing Brit show up at our Saturday rally yesterday. He was staying with some Marinites and had their young son with him. Both picked up signs and demostrated with us, and we had some great conversations about the similarities and differences in American/British politics. Was fun. He's as pissed about their government as we are about ours. We apologized for Romney, by the way, which brought a good guffaw.

We got into an interesting discussion; he apologized for joining us in all our damned wars, and that led to the interesting concept of how in the past, Britain roped their commonwealths of Australia, Canada, etc., including India and others, into their wars of empire, while we use MONEY to rope countries into joining ours. Was interesting, and instructive. He chose, by the way, a sign protesting the recent move to let Shell drill in the arctic.

As to Mitt, shit, what can I say? Bear in mind, we elected Bush...TWICE! And just out of curiosity; does anyone take us seriously anyway??

As I said to our Brit friend yesterday; please accept our apologies for Mitt...and not just for his idiotic comments the other day, but for his mere existence. I wouldn't expect ANYONE to take us seriously if we're so stupid as to elect him!

And hey, you got him back pretty good with the one about holding an Olympics "in the middle of nowhere"! I'm glad the games are going well, personally I never had any question.

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Sunday, July 29, 2012 6:53 AM

Keeping order in every verse

Hi Niki. I've been lurking but not contributing much. You should know that a lot of my comments, although they have mostly serious input, are slightly tounge in cheek. I don't associate all Americans as having the same mental capacity as Mr Romney, but a presidential candidate REALLY should have more common sense. Let's face it, The Olympic Games are possibly the biggest logistical and organisational task that any city can take on, sporting or otherwise, and I defy anybody to get through it without some hitch along the way. We were let down by our biggest private security company G4S, but we have a contingency plan in place, and security is fine and tight. I think the British Army can handle security checking with consummate ease???
And i seem to have a problem with paragraphing.No matter how hard I try, it all seems to come out in one long scroll.don't know what I'm doing wrong. Nice to hear from you, anyway, Niki.x

With the grace of age, commander, we learn to accept.

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Sunday, July 29, 2012 7:13 AM

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Originally posted by Niki2:
Teleprompter wouldn't have helped at the NAACP. I think he said exactly what they planned for him to say. Showing that African-Americans don't like him was, I believe, the purpose. Not so much what he said in England.

Correction, Niki: Teleprompter DIDN'T help at the NAACP. He was using one when he made that speech!

And PK might be able to help me out here...

How much snickering have y'all had at his comments about looking out the "backside" of 10 Downing Street?

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Sunday, July 29, 2012 7:16 AM

Keeping order in every verse

That's pretty common, Kwicko.There is a lot of stuff comes out the backside of 10 Downing Street!!!

With the grace of age, commander, we learn to accept.

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Sunday, July 29, 2012 7:26 AM

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Originally posted by peacekeeper:
That's pretty common, Kwicko.There is a lot of stuff comes out the backside of 10 Downing Street!!!

With the grace of age, commander, we learn to accept.

Including Mitt Romney, it seems - or at least his head, since he talked about "looking out the backside" of Downing Street.

It was just another gaffe in a long line of them.

But buck up - now he's off to Poland. I'm sure he'll show some "solidarity" with the Polish people by offering some Polack jokes.

On the bright side, though, the people of Poland finally have a chance to joke about us for a change.

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

"The groin cup and throat protector have about as much ballistic protection as the kneepads I wear when I'm doing a job that requires me to be on my knees." - Troll

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Sunday, July 29, 2012 8:14 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

OMFingG, I couldn't stop laughing with this one!

SignyM: I swear, if we really knew what was being decided about us in our absence, and how hosed the government is prepared to let us be, we would string them up.

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Sunday, July 29, 2012 5:29 PM

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

PK, darling, it IS your "tongue in cheek" that I particularly love--and miss when it's not around. You're one of only two or three people (Anthony included) who do it so well...in Anthony's case I think he does it "better" in that sometimes you can't tell if he IS being serious or not, whereas with your cracks, I can easily discern the satire (tho' from what I've seen, some others can't!), and it just has me grinning from ear to ear every time.

So I dunno who's better; is it "better" to be carefully obscure so people can't tell if you're being snide, or "better" to be more obviously snide in a humorous manner? I can't say, I just love 'em both...there's so much of people taking themselves SO seriously here, it's always refreshing!

Uh, Mike, that was my point...I'm guessing the teleprompter told him exactly what to say to achieve his end, which he did. In essence, the point being "Black people don't like me; one more reason to vote for me!"

"Mitt happens",

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Monday, July 30, 2012 1:42 AM

FREMDFIRMA

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Originally posted by peacekeeper:
We were let down by our biggest private security company G4S...

Given that they soaked up the incompetent remnants of both Wackenhut and the fekkin Pinkertons, I ain't exactly surprised.
Mind you, they were told they were drinkin poison kool-aid at the time, but didn't wanna hear it.

Group4 is pretty much a sad little joke these days, good at security theatre and not much else.

-Frem

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