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Wednesday, August 15, 2012 4:59 AM

Keep the Shiny side up

Somewhere I got a World Wildlife Federation bookmark, and have been using it a couple of years without really looking at it much. I finally read it today. It had this quote on it.

"The difference between animals and humans is that animals change themselves for the environment, but humans change the enviroment for themselves"

Seems pretty pro-wildlife, until you note who said it.

Ayn Rand

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Wednesday, August 15, 2012 5:11 AM

CAVETROLL

The trick would be changing the environment to suit you without destroying the environment for wildlife.

Kwindbago, hot air and angry electrons

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Wednesday, August 15, 2012 5:17 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

Yup, Cave...I'll bet SHE said it as a brag. And that's what we've done/are doing; changing the whole planet to suit OURSELVES, with no regard to what it's doing to the planet, wildlife, OR, in the end, US.

On top of which, we do it with blind self-interest, like building homes in a flood zone, on a fault line, in places regularly hit by deadly weather, in narrow canyons just ASKING for fires, then rebuilding an rebuilding and rebuilding. And so much more...but I'll spare everyone the rest of what I'd have to say about THAT!

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Wednesday, August 15, 2012 5:56 AM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up

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Originally posted by Niki2:
I'll bet SHE said it as a brag.

Well, yeah. Hence the irony.

Bet a staffer at WWF got an earful after someone noticed this clasic piece of absurdity.

Sure hope someone noticed it, anyway.

ETA: Googling "ayn rand wwf bookmark" at least some folks on the Ron Paul and Motley Fool forums have also found this.

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Wednesday, August 15, 2012 11:33 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!

I take it she meant 'modern' humans, and didn't think to consider beavers.

" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Wednesday, August 15, 2012 1:25 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)

I read it as a general dig an mankind, thinking they could change the environment to suit them, and a more specific dig at Rand for thinking that, and for assuming that either there would be no consequences of doing so, or that we'd just change the consequences to suit us, too.

More irony: She encouraged her followers to smoke cigarettes, because she felt it showed man's mastery over fire. And then she died of lung cancer.

While collecting Social Security and Medicare.

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

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Wednesday, August 15, 2012 3:48 PM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
I read it as a general dig an mankind, thinking they could change the environment to suit them, and a more specific dig at Rand for thinking that, and for assuming that either there would be no consequences of doing so, or that we'd just change the consequences to suit us, too.

So you'll now be giving up everything you have that results from the environmental changes man has caused?

Bye, Mike.

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Thursday, August 16, 2012 11:53 AM

KWICKO

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So you'll now be giving up everything you have that results from the environmental changes man has caused?

Not sure how you got there from what I posted, but you might want to up your meds. Your "senior moments" are becoming more and more frequent.

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Bye, Mike.

Oh, are you leaving us again?

For good this time?

Promise?

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

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Thursday, August 16, 2012 2:57 PM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
Not sure how you got there from what I posted...

It's from where you decide that what's pretty obviously a mistake by WWF is instead "...a general dig an mankind, thinking they could change the environment to suit them..."

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Thursday, August 16, 2012 3:56 PM

KWICKO

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Originally posted by Geezer:
Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:
Not sure how you got there from what I posted...

It's from where you decide that what's pretty obviously a mistake by WWF is instead "...a general dig an mankind, thinking they could change the environment to suit them..."

Can you list all the things that have resulted from man-caused environmental change?

Make sure not to imply in any way that there's any kind of climate change involved in that list, because I'm told that there is no possible way that man could ever have any impact on that!

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

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Friday, August 17, 2012 9:09 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

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what's pretty obviously a mistake by WWF

He really believes that? Wow.

Knowing WWF as I do (yup, I'm a member), it's amusing to think anyone took it that way. He has no concept of anything they do, apparently, much less how intellignt they are, so maybe it follows that he thinks it was a mistake...

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Friday, August 17, 2012 9:29 AM

HERO

Quote:
Originally posted by Geezer:
Bet a staffer at WWF got an earful after someone noticed this clasic piece of absurdity.

The truth is the WWF lost all credibility when the switched from professional wrestling to saving the enviroment.

H

Hero...must be right on all of this. ALL of the rest of us are wrong. Chrisisall, 2012

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Friday, August 17, 2012 9:56 AM

STORYMARK

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Originally posted by Kwicko:

Quote:
Bye, Mike.

Oh, are you leaving us again?

For good this time?

Promise?

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

Hey, he lasted almost a day!!

Note to anyone - Please pity the poor, poor wittle Rappyboy. He's feeling put upon lately, what with all those facts disagreeing with what he believes.

"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

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Sunday, August 19, 2012 1:15 PM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
Can you list all the things that have resulted from man-caused environmental change?

Well, probably not all, but here's a few.

The food you eat.

The clothes you wear.

The home you live in.

The energy you use.

The transportation that gets you farther than you can walk.

The computer you're using to read this.

I could go on, but you (I hope) get the idea.

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Sunday, August 19, 2012 1:18 PM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up

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Originally posted by Storymark:
Hey, he lasted almost a day!!

Yep. I was at a B&B that didn't have wireless.

You and Mike got your matching masks made yet so you can go on the trollo libre tag-team circuit?

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Sunday, August 19, 2012 3:10 PM

MAGONSDAUGHTER

Quote:
Originally posted by Geezer:
Somewhere I got a World Wildlife Federation bookmark, and have been using it a couple of years without really looking at it much. I finally read it today. It had this quote on it.

"The difference between animals and humans is that animals change themselves for the environment, but humans change the enviroment for themselves"

Seems pretty pro-wildlife, until you note who said it.

Ayn Rand

It's not strictly true either.

Animals (and I include insects and birds) also change their environments, they build shelters and nests, they can damn rivers, make burrows, transform a field or a forest into a wasteland.

Conversely, humans can walk lightly on the earth, particularly hunter/gatherer societies which leave few permanent marks on the world.

The truth is, we ARE animals. Just a species who uses tools, not the only one either, just highly developed and who have a highly complex social system, probably not the most effective either.

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Monday, August 20, 2012 7:00 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

I agree, Magons, tho' I'd probably say "DEFINITELY" not the most effective. And yes, I recognize the things you enumerated, I just figured it wasn't worth the effort to point them out (for obvious reasons, as this thread illustrates).

What pro-consumers don't take into account is that it's virtually impossible in today's world to exist totally without leaving a footprint. In a society that gave a damn, it would be possible, and it is SOMEWHAT possible even today, if one thinks about what one consumes. Of course, in the black-and-white world of some, it's a "valid" argument, but in reality it has no validity.

The best one can do in today's world is minimize one's footprint, and while that requires some energy, it's not completely impossible. It just requires more effort than those who are determined to keep the status quo and so have stuck their heads DEEP in the ground are willing to make.

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Monday, August 20, 2012 11:18 AM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up

Quote:
Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:
Conversely, humans can walk lightly on the earth, particularly hunter/gatherer societies which leave few permanent marks on the world.

Unfortunately, they can't do so in the numbers that inhabit the earth now. If you can figure out how to reduce world population by 99.9%, the remaining 7 million might be able to get by hunting and gathering.

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Monday, August 20, 2012 11:45 AM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up

Quote:
Originally posted by Niki2:
In a society that gave a damn, it would be possible, and it is SOMEWHAT possible even today, if one thinks about what one consumes. Of course, in the black-and-white world of some, it's a "valid" argument, but in reality it has no validity.

And in the black-and-white world of others, it'd be all right for the government to TELL everyone that they MUST give a damn (in the approved manner, of course).

And that's the problem. Even in places like China, where the government does have quite a level of control over the people, the population is still clamoring for more everything: electronics, transportation, appliances, and the energy to run them.

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Tuesday, August 21, 2012 11:25 AM

MAGONSDAUGHTER

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Originally posted by Geezer:

Unfortunately, they can't do so in the numbers that inhabit the earth now. If you can figure out how to reduce world population by 99.9%, the remaining 7 million might be able to get by hunting and gathering.

You mistake my intent. I was disputing Ayn Rand's destinction between animals and the species of humans. Nothing more.

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Tuesday, August 21, 2012 1:32 PM

KWICKO

Quote:
Originally posted by Geezer:
Quote:
Originally posted by Niki2:
In a society that gave a damn, it would be possible, and it is SOMEWHAT possible even today, if one thinks about what one consumes. Of course, in the black-and-white world of some, it's a "valid" argument, but in reality it has no validity.

And in the black-and-white world of others, it'd be all right for the government to TELL everyone that they MUST give a damn (in the approved manner, of course).

"You're either with us or against us."

You never seemed to mind being told to give a damn when it was in the approved manner and you were being told by a white Republican. Go figure.

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

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Wednesday, August 22, 2012 2:28 AM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up

Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:
You never seemed to mind being told to give a damn when it was in the approved manner and you were being told by a white Republican. Go figure.

Okay, Mike.

Tell me what I agree with a white Republican about.

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Wednesday, August 22, 2012 5:35 AM

KWICKO

Quote:
Originally posted by Geezer:
Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:
You never seemed to mind being told to give a damn when it was in the approved manner and you were being told by a white Republican. Go figure.

Okay, Mike.

Tell me what I agree with a white Republican about.

Everything you disagree with a black Democrat about, it seems.

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

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Wednesday, August 22, 2012 6:00 AM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up

Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:
Quote:
Originally posted by Geezer:
Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:
You never seemed to mind being told to give a damn when it was in the approved manner and you were being told by a white Republican. Go figure.

Okay, Mike.

Tell me what I agree with a white Republican about.

Everything you disagree with a black Democrat about, it seems.

Okay, then tell me what I disagree about with a black Democrat.

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