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Romney: "No-one's ever asked to see my birth certificate"

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Saturday, August 25, 2012 2:48 AM

KPO

Sometimes you own the libs. Sometimes, the libs own you.

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Saturday, August 25, 2012 3:24 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Weird. I was told by the hard-right nutjob wing of the GOP that EVERY candidate has to show his birth certificate to prove that he's qualified to run as a "natural-born citizen". And in Romney's case, we already know that his father WASN'T eligible, but ran anyway.






"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

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Saturday, August 25, 2012 4:48 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


No surprise there. They're about all he has LEFT, so the important thing is to keep reminding them Obam is "The Different" so they'll get out and VOTE. If they can manage to suppress the votes of enough of those damned brown- and black-skinned folk, and the young folk, and the gays, etc., that audience will win it for him! If he can just keep reminding them...

CALL IN THE DONALD!


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Saturday, August 25, 2012 6:21 AM

NEWOLDBROWNCOAT


Heard about this story on the news radio on the way home last night, and I heard Romney defend it, unsuccessfully but repeatedly, as "just a little joke about coming back to my hometown," while denying that it was a shot at Obama.

It was one of the worst delivered "jokes" of all time, and one of the least believable defenses since "The President is not a crook." He should have just gone the route of several controversial stand-up comics who have told inappropriate jokes, and said, "I thought it was funny, I thought it would get a laugh, I misjudged the crowd and the material, I was wrong, I'm sorry," and moved on.

Lame, Mitt. Lame idea, lame joke, lame delivery, lame effort at explaining.

"Paging Robin Williams. Mr Williams, your replacement is here. Don't worry, he's NO threat to your regular job."

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Saturday, August 25, 2012 9:11 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)






"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

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Saturday, August 25, 2012 9:18 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by Niki2:
No surprise there. They're about all he has LEFT, so the important thing is to keep reminding them Obam is "The Different" so they'll get out and VOTE. If they can manage to suppress the votes of enough of those damned brown- and black-skinned folk, and the young folk, and the gays, etc., that audience will win it for him! If he can just keep reminding them...

CALL IN THE DONALD!





Meanwhile, a new poll from that lefty-lib rag the Wall Street Journal found that Romney's support among black voters had reached ZERO PERCENT. That's right - of 1000 people polled, not one African-American voter supported Romney. That may be some kind of record.

Of course, Romney's an optimist, so he looks at this as good news, since he's got nowhere to go but up!



"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

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Saturday, August 25, 2012 12:31 PM

HERO


Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
Meanwhile, a new poll from that lefty-lib rag the Wall Street Journal found that Romney's support among black voters had reached ZERO PERCENT. That's right - of 1000 people polled, not one African-American voter supported Romney. That may be some kind of record.

Of course, Romney's an optimist, so he looks at this as good news, since he's got nowhere to go but up!


More like 10% which is traditional.

Not that it matters as long as they remember to get out and vote on Nov. 2nd like Michelle Obaa says.

H

Hero...must be right on all of this. ALL of the rest of us are wrong. Chrisisall, 2012

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Saturday, August 25, 2012 3:42 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


That's what made the zero percent support so surprising - it's "traditional" to have at least a small percentage of African-Americans supporting the GOP. But right now Romney has zero percent. None. Zilch.

At least that's what the pollsters from the WSJ found.



"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

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Sunday, August 26, 2012 5:15 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Yeah, he can't even backtrack sensibly. Heard someone who worked for him talk about how he's ultra-cautious, which is why he comes across robotic, then now and again says something he thinks is amusing "off the cuff", and virtually every time he does, he screws it up. Like the cookies he thought came from some "7/11", "I like firing people", "corporations are people, my friend" and this one. Man makes a very bad politician for public speaking!

And it WAS zero percent--of course, any sampling can miss and/or be off, but that was surprising to me. Makes sense they're working so hard at suppressing the vote, cutting early voting hours, etc., etc.; at this point, it's his best chance to steal the election. If it were a regular election, I'm afraid he'd be buried.

It still amazes me they're getting away with that. It's SO transparent, you'd think they'd be ashamed...except that they passed the ability to be ashamed so long ago they've no doubt forgetten HOW. But to put in place onerous voter-suppression laws when there's been literally NO "voter fraud" n the state, it just seems so blatant. We're in an amazing time in our country...sadly!


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Sunday, August 26, 2012 5:46 AM

NEWOLDBROWNCOAT


Kwick,
excellent post with the "tax return" photo comic strip. Right on the point.

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Sunday, August 26, 2012 8:19 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Righties will (have) no doubt dismiss Romney's birther comment, say it's a big deal about nothing, call it "reverse racism", or whatever other rationalizations they need to spout, but a lot of us, from what we've watched going on around us, feel differently:
Quote:

"No one's ever asked to see my birth certificate. They know that this is the place that I was born and raised."

With that comment to a crowd in Michigan, Republican presidential nominee Mitt Romney officially embraced the "birther" movement and touched off a firestorm of protest across the airwaves and internet.

Of course, those protesting didn't include his live audience or the extremists on the right. Nor, given Romney's embrace of Donald Trump, should we be surprised by this joke-that's-not-a-joke. Ari Melber of The Nation put it succinctly: "Jokes can be more revealing than talking points."
But what, exactly, did Romney reveal with this pre-meditated "offhand" remark? That he's courting the radical right? He already chose Paul Ryan as his vice-presidential nominee. That he's pandering to the right-wing noise machine and the corporate special interest propaganda machine? We already know that because he appears on media friendly to the right but limits the number and kind of questions reporters can ask him, and then responds with dodging answers.

That he's following the Bush-Cheney-Rove "keep it vague, keep them afraid" playbook? Commentators and analysts have been pointing this out since Romney entered the campaign.

Romney -- hiding behind the plausible deniability that it was just a joke, with a wink and a nod to the extremists in his base -- tried to divert attention from the ABC's haunting his campaign: Akin, Bain, "Corporations are people." His comment has the added benefit of satisfying his most fervent supporters and those anonymous supporters bankrolling one of the most misleading advertising campaigns, a blitzkrieg that strikes just the right partisan undertones.

The real story is that there's nothing unusual about the remark. It's no more in the gutter than a lot of things that have been said about President Barack Obama since coming into office. It's just one more insinuation designed to distract us from the most disconcerting weaknesses of Romney's candidacy -- that he fails to offer details about his policy proposals and stubbornly refuses to disclose more than two years of tax returns.

But it is sad and revealing, nevertheless. It is sad that a campaign stretch that began with his asking Obama to stop apologizing for America (something fact checkers noted the president never did) and roundly debunked welfare attack ad ended with a xenophobic and roundly debunked birther reference. And it reveals not just moral turpitude, but moral vacuity.

His birth certificate dog-whistles are not just desperate, they are deliberate. Romney is campaigning as if he feels he is entitled to the White House -- that, like a feudal lord or European aristocrat, he does not have to answer questions, he does not have to be forthright, he does not have to be honest.

It also reveals, as so much before it has done, that he believes the American people are too ignorant, too indifferent, too lazy, too afraid to bother and that we can be fooled. He also knows that the American press will, after huffing and puffing, give him a free pass on this one, too.

How we respond to Romney's remark will reveal a lot about us, as well. Will we get what he's doing? Will we reject the noxious condescension and the patronizing? Will we demand an open and honest accounting of his business dealings? If he wants to be in charge of our business, we should see how he's run his.

The media, too, will reveal a lot about itself by its response. Outrage, shock, tongue-clicking - these are superficial and useless. Allowing Romney to backpedal -- "it's only a joke" -- misses the point. The media needs to press for policy specifics and contrast claims with facts.

As I said, we shouldn't be surprised by Romney's remark. Trying to pretend that somehow Obama is not an American-born leader, or questioning his patrioism, or his values by using the Big Lie often speaks in code.

Romney's birther remark was less a surprise than a confirmation that his moral compass is off center.

Mr. Romney, America's not an aristocracy. http://www.cnn.com/2012/08/25/opinion/brazile-romney-birther-line/inde
x.html?hpt=hp_bn7

Hear, hear!

It seems pretty clear who he's playing to, with Donald "Birther" Trump at his side. Will be interesting to see what The Donald has up his sleve for the convention:
Quote:

Donald Trump will play a "surprise" role when the Republican Party kicks off its national convention next week in Tampa, Florida, a party official said on Monday.

The real estate mogul and reality-television star is scheduled to participate in a to-be-revealed fashion on the first day of the four-day convention, where Republicans are to formally nominate former Massachusetts Governor Mitt Romney to face Democratic President Barack Obama in the Nov. 6 election.

"I am doing something that is going to be, I think, really amazing; it'll be great," Trump said last week on the Fox Business Network. "We'll see what happens. We'll see how it's received."

Trump is not listed as one of the official speakers on Aug. 27, the first day of the convention, but he will participate, a Republican official confirmed.

"There will be a surprise," the official said.

Quote:

Donald Trump is keeping his Republican National Convention role a secret for now, but on Wednesday he hinted that whatever it is — it’s going to be “pretty wild.”

“They’ve asked me to speak,” Trump told Imus. “I may do it, but I don’t think you can do both. And you’ll understand when you see what I’m doing. So, it will be one or the other.”

Earlier this month an aide to Trump said he would play a “major role” at the convention where delegates will officially nominate Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan to the GOP presidential ticket.

I heard he has an "Obama impersonator" he's working with, and possibly he'll "fire" him or something. Ah, I found this:
Quote:

Human candy corn Donald Trump, a well-known Political Expert and Successful Reality-Television Business Actor, has a "big surprise" planned for the Republican National Convention.

What could be the surprise? Maybe he will reveal that he is actually a pile of quivering, sentient eels projecting the form of "Donald Trump" onto an unwitting populace. Or maybe, Loser Salon's Alex Pareene writes, the surprise will be "some idiotic video where Trump 'fires' an Obama impersonator."

And, lo:
Quote:

Last night, Obama impersonator (or "Fauxbama," if you prefer) Kevin Michel posted a picture posing with Trump, along with a caption urging his Facebook friends to "(b)e sure to watch the Republican National Convention."
Yeah, it's gonna be a stupid video where he "fires" an Obama impersonator.

I don't see that as some kind of "wild" thing...although, come to think of it, Donald might.

I hope whatever he does is at leat entertaining, you can pretty much bet it will again showcase the insanity on the right currently. Damned shame the networks won't cover Monday--oh, wait, they've cancelled Monday, haven't they; maybe we'll get to see The Donald's latest insanity after all. One can only hope...


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Sunday, August 26, 2012 2:15 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Let's see, WSJ says Romney has zero support with black voters, GOP had fewer than 5% black delegates at their 2008 convention (and rumored to be even fewer this time), and another poll shows less than 5% of black voters self-identify as Republican.

If it's "traditional" for the GOP to have 10% support among black voters, I'd say something serious has gone wrong for the party the last couple election cycles.

Meanwhile, while folks are asking Romney for his birth certificate, maybe they should be asking him about his religion, too. After all, it was deemed fair game when they were claiming Obama was a "secret Muslim" and attended a church pastored by a hate-monger.

Here's Romney's messiah:




I call on all Mormons and Christians to denounce this charlatan and condemn his words.



"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

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Monday, August 27, 2012 10:43 AM

HERO


Quote:

Originally posted by Niki2:
And it WAS zero percent--of course, any sampling can miss and/or be off, but that was surprising to me.


Your citing polls that sample +9 Democrat.

Here in Ohio we're officially tied, 45-45, and he has about 10% of the black vote. So unless Ohio has his ONLY black voters I think your poll, like most polls these days, are wishful thinking for Democrats.

H

Hero...must be right on all of this. ALL of the rest of us are wrong. Chrisisall, 2012

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Tuesday, August 28, 2012 6:33 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Good point, Mike; in so saying, Smith aligned himself with Muslims in their desire to take over the world, so why isn't Raptor in here decrying Romney, I wonder? Oh, right, Romney is trying to take over the government, and pass laws which might reflect his Mormon teachings, while radical Muslims are killing people outside the U.S., and occasionally some in the states. Much bigger threat, of course, than having our government actually taken over by someone who follows a religion that believes in taking over all other religions, naturally.


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Tuesday, August 28, 2012 6:56 AM

M52NICKERSON

DALEK!


Quote:

Originally posted by Hero:
Quote:

Originally posted by Niki2:
And it WAS zero percent--of course, any sampling can miss and/or be off, but that was surprising to me.


Your citing polls that sample +9 Democrat.

Here in Ohio we're officially tied, 45-45, and he has about 10% of the black vote. So unless Ohio has his ONLY black voters I think your poll, like most polls these days, are wishful thinking for Democrats.




...and the poll you are talking about has +7 Republicans.

http://www.dispatch.com/content/stories/local/2012/08/26/tight-races-p
ut-undecided-voters-in-control.html


Looking at many polls you find that Obama looks likely to be leading in Ohio.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/oh/ohio_romney_
vs_obama-1860.html#polls


I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.

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Tuesday, August 28, 2012 7:00 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


As to the validity of polls, let's see what the African-American polls have to say about swing states:
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Only 2% Say They Will Support the Romney/Ryan Ticket

In the most comprehensive election-year study of registered African-American voters in the battleground states, BET News' original poll conducted by nationally-recognized pollster Cornell Belcher, reveals overwhelming support for President Barack Obama for a second term re-election and severe disapproval of Republican Presidential nominee Governor Mitt Romney (R-Massachusetts).

The study is the deepest exploration to date of the views of black voters in the states on which the 2012 Election will probably turn. Gov. Mitt Romney is currently positioned to garner an historic low rate of support among African-American voters. Only two percent of African-American voters in our poll currently support the Romney/Ryan ticket.

Despite conventional wisdom, black voters are on track to vote in numbers equivalent to 2008. Only 4% say they are less interested in voting in the upcoming election than they were in 2008. 85% say they are following the election closely.( http://uspolitics.einnews.com/pr_news/112155514/bet-news-poll-reveals-
the-g-o-p-is-on-track-for-the-worst-showing-with-black-voters-in-modern-history
the way, I can't find any poll of Ohio which put Obama ahead by 9, nor one that states African-Americans favor Romney by 10 points in Ohio, so unless you can provide cites, I reject your statements.

On the other hand, numerous polls have found an aggregate of Obama over Romney by 1.4 IN OHIO, none I can find by 9 points. ( http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/oh/ohio_romney_
vs_obama-1860.html
).


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Tuesday, August 28, 2012 2:25 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


I'd still really like to know why nobody has asked to see Romney's birth certificate. I was assured by the right-wing tea-bagger wing of the Republican party that they wanted to make sure EVERY candidate was a "real" American citizen, and it had nothing to do with the black guy.


Guess maybe they were just making that up?



"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

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Wednesday, August 29, 2012 6:36 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


No, SAYING it for political convenience, nothing more, obviously.


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