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Sunday, September 2, 2012 5:35 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


...headway is being made to get rid of the various voter-suppression tactics the Republicans have put in place, thank goodness. Whether it'll be in time for this year's election remains to be seen, but at least there's movement on a number of fronts:
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Bad Week for Vote ID Laws:

This week, federal judges struck down two voting-related Texas measures, including a set of redistricting maps that judges found “discriminatory” against Hispanics and a voter ID law, which a separate panel of judges, citing a $22 fee for a state ID, said imposed “strict, unforgiving burdens on the poor.”

The battle over poll security continues to heat up, and could become even uglier as Texas and South Carolina appeal their decisions, possibly putting the Supreme Court in the position to have to make a quick ruling before the election on whether the laws should stand for the November election

In the Texas voter ID case, judges took note that Texas is one of the jurisdictions covered under Section 5 of the Civil Rights Act, where new voting rules have to be “precleared” by the Justice Department before they take effect – residue of the historic legacy of discrimination, largely in the South. Justices said their ruling was a “narrow” one looking specifically at a law they deemed perhaps the toughest in the nation.

“A law that forces poorer citizens to choose between their wages and their franchise unquestionably denies or abridges their right to vote,” the opinion said. “Simply put, many Hispanics and African Americans who voted in the last election will, because of the burdens imposed by [the voter-ID law], likely be unable to vote in the next election.”

In the Texas redistricting case, judges specifically cited evidence of discrimination in the way Republicans redrew voting maps, in one case to create a district where they replaced likely Hispanic voters with less-likely ones, ostensibly to favor conservative Anglo candidates.

What’s more, during the trial over South Carolina’s voter ID law, which the Justice Department refused earlier to pre-clear, one of the state’s attorneys last week had to admit one piece of evidence had the “shade of racism.”

It related to an e-mail to the attorney from a constituent, who noted that more minorities and elderly would get the ID if the legislature offered them $100 to do it. “It would be like a swarm of bees going after a watermelon,” the constituent wrote, to which the attorney replied, “Amen … thank you for your support of voter ID.”

Watermelon imagery has long been associated with racist comments in the South. In July, Attorney General Eric Holder, too, raised the specter of racism by calling the Texas voter ID law a “poll tax,” a reference to Jim Crow-era efforts in the South to make voting difficult for minorities.

A recent report by the nongovernmental Brennan Center for Justice suggests that new voting restrictions could disenfranchise more than 5 million voters in November. http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Elections/2012/0901/Bad-week-for-voter-ID
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series of court battles in several states may determine, over the next several weeks, everything from how people cast their votes, when polling locations will be open and what ballots will look like. Many cases have a partisan bent, with rulings potentially tipping the scales slightly in favor of Democrats or Republicans.

The legal fights have entered an urgent phase, two months before the Nov. 6 election and just a few weeks before military and overseas absentee ballots must go out.

Pennsylvania lawyers recently filed briefs arguing whether an appeal on the state's strict voter ID law should be held in September or October. Opponents won a mid-September court date, which is late even by their standards.

"This is by no means impossible, but certainly the closer you get a decision to Election Day the harder it is to make changes," said Vic Walczak, legal director of the American Civil Liberties Union of Pennsylvania.

Wisconsin's attorney general is making a late push in the courts to reinstate voter ID requirements.

Along with Pennsylvania and Wisconsin, there are unresolved cases in Florida, Ohio, Iowa and Nevada. Those are among the most competitive states and any factor could tip the balance.

—Florida and Ohio are locked in litigation tied to changes in early voting rules. Republicans in Florida approved a law last year that reduced the number of early voting days to eight from as many as 14. Advocates are challenging that, and a panel of three federal judges recently determined that the changes could hurt participation by blacks, who lean heavily toward the Democrats.

Ohio officials have struggled for months over early voting rules. The Obama campaign sued over a law that prevented most people from using early voting on the weekend and Monday before Election Day; a federal judge on Friday agreed to restore those voting days. The state's attorney general is working on an appeal.

—Florida and Iowa are dealing with suits related to the efforts by election administrators to purge voting rolls of ineligible people. The U.S. Department of Justice is continuing to pursue a suit challenging Florida's purge, which previously included a list that contained more than 500 people who were citizens. A Hispanic civic organization also sued, alleging that the purge is an attempt to remove legitimate minority voters from the rolls.

Civil rights activists in Iowa are seeking to block the state's Republican secretary of state from using emergency rules to try and purge voting lists of noncitizens. The groups contend that Secretary of State Matt Schultz was abusing his power in a bid to disenfranchise Latinos. Schultz says the effort is necessary to help maintain fair elections.

—Nevada is dealing with a unique case over the state's decades-old voting option of "none of the above." The state attorney general is appealing a federal court's decision that the ballot option is unconstitutional. The Republican National Committee financed the suit out of fears votes for "none" could influence the outcome, with conventional thinking that people who might cast a ballot for "none" are anti-incumbent voters who might be more likely to support Republican presidential nominee Mitt Romney.

Nevada officials filed an emergency motion in that case Thursday, noting that the state must finalize ballots for overseas and military voters by Sept. 7. http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Latest-News-Wires/2012/0902/Voter-ID-and-
early-voting-cases-heat-up-in-courts-across-the-country

If this stuff goes to the Supremes, my guess is there'll only be two outcomes: They won't deal with it before the election, or, expectedly, they'll upholed the egregious laws. By now we know who owns the majority of the Supremes. At least SOMETHING is happening; whether it'll be successful or not remains to be seen.

With all that's happened since 2010, I have come to believe we have truly lost our way as a nation.

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Sunday, September 2, 2012 6:04 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!



No idea why the Left is so hell bent on allowing voters to cheat ... oh, wait.

Never mind. I got it.


" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Sunday, September 2, 2012 11:13 AM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up


Quote:

Originally posted by Niki2:
They won't deal with it before the election, or, expectedly, they'll upholed the egregious laws.



They'll have put the egregious laws up the Democrat's holes?

Ouch.


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Sunday, September 2, 2012 1:03 PM

JONGSSTRAW



It was a BIG mistake for Republican Governors and State Legislatures to pass these voter ID laws around the country. It gives the Democrats a huge public opinion ace-in-the-hole in case Obama loses. They'll scream and holler that the vote was not legitimate due to voter suppression, and they'll find courts to help them prove it. There could be riots coast to coast and property destruction aplenty. And for what... a stupid and un-necessary attempt to keep grannies and non-drivers from voting?











Hmmm, better than Reuben's.
..One more.
Ben!
..My last one.
Okay.

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Sunday, September 2, 2012 3:52 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


I'm not coming at it from either side... I'm just wondering, why the big disagreement about using an ID to vote?

Everyone who is a citizen can get an ID, even if they're ineligible to drive. A State ID costs the same as a Driver's License.

Just as I don't think it would be fair for me to pay a genius to go take my ACT because there is no call for identification.... or to pay my very charismatic cousin to do my "union job" interviews, I don't think that there should be this obvious flaw in the system.

I don't even understand why this seems to be a partisan issue.

"A government is a body of people, usually notably ungoverned." ~Shepherd Book

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Sunday, September 2, 2012 4:23 PM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


Quote:

Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
I'm not coming at it from either side... I'm just wondering, why the big disagreement about using an ID to vote?

Everyone who is a citizen can get an ID, even if they're ineligible to drive. A State ID costs the same as a Driver's License.

Just as I don't think it would be fair for me to pay a genius to go take my ACT because there is no call for identification.... or to pay my very charismatic cousin to do my "union job" interviews, I don't think that there should be this obvious flaw in the system.

I don't even understand why this seems to be a partisan issue.



I understand it to be because of the restrictions around voting that exist in some states, which intentionally or otherwise, prevent large segments of the population, usually the most disenfranchised, from exercising what some would seem to be their democratic right.

Personally I have less problem with voter ID than the idea that someone convicted of a felon permanently loosing their entitlement to vote unless they go through a lengthy, bureaucratic and often costly procedure to restore their civil rights.

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Sunday, September 2, 2012 4:23 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


"Everyone who is a citizen can get an ID ..."

You have to get a copy pf a birth certificate. Many people, especially the elderly, were born at home and have no birth certificate. Others are unaware of their place of birth. Who do they ask for their copy? And EVERYone needs to send a certain amount of money as a processing fee. That in itself is a poll tax - requiring people to spend money to vote. So getting the copy is already discriminatory.

If and only if you get that copy of your birth certificate, THEN you need to get your ID.

Have you ever visited your DMV?
First, you have you get there. Now, if you live in a city you might possibly take a bus, or a few buses. But if you don't have a car and license (remember, if you had that license you wouldn't need the ID) and you live in a rural area, or another 'poorly served' area, just getting there is a problem. And what if no public transport runs there?
Then have you stood in line for 5 hours - or more? while the line slowly shuffles forward? If you are working and you REALLY NEED that paycheck - as low as it might be - and that job, and you don't get time off, this is problem.
Finally, this also costs money. More money paid just to vote.


This is despite the fact that there is no documented problem with voter ID fraud.

Do you really think this is about stopping hoards of voter ID fraud? Or about putting barriers in place so poor, rural, elderly, and minority people have a harder time voting?

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Sunday, September 2, 2012 4:34 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Magons - you have no idea how impoverished people here can be. Laws like this have been estimated to affect about 10% of people who would normally be eligible to vote in Pennsylvania, for example.

This is a really big deal for a large chunk of people who did nothing worse that being poor.

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Sunday, September 2, 2012 4:54 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)



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Everyone who is a citizen can get an ID, even if they're ineligible to drive. A State ID costs the same as a Driver's License.



So what you meant to say was that everyone who is a citizen and isn't poor and has a birth certificate and several other "accepted" forms of ID can get a state ID.

And in Texas, where more than 80 counties don't even HAVE the office where you have to go to get your ID... and where just getting a certified copy of your birth certificate can cost $85... and where getting to the place to get either of those things can be a 250-mile trip each way...

Yeah, it's absolutely going to disenfranchise people who are below the poverty line.

And that is entirely the aim behind these laws.






"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

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Sunday, September 2, 2012 6:04 PM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:


Yeah, it's absolutely going to disenfranchise people who are below the poverty line.

And that is entirely the aim behind these laws.

And the peeps here who can't or WON'T understand this are good Nazis. Not the bad ones...

Seig Rap!

Chrisisall, wearing a frilly Mal thing on his head, and ready to shoot unarmed, full-body armoured heils

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Sunday, September 2, 2012 6:08 PM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


Have you ever considered just giving Texas back to the Mexicans?

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Sunday, September 2, 2012 6:17 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Yes, seriously, I have thought it would be a great idea, along with several other states. Tho maybe not back to Mexico, but forming their own separate country.

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Tuesday, September 4, 2012 7:24 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


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Have you ever considered just giving Texas back to the Mexicans?
Oh, darlin', you have no IDEA how many have thought of that or said it--some not even in jest!

When Texas was hinting at secession, I thought "oh, if ONLY...!" Seriously, Texas is one of, if not THE, most backward, uneducated, undemocratic and utterly fascist right-wing states we've got. I could think of a couple of others I wish would secede, but Texas is absolutely the WORST!

...remember, they gave us Dubya. Need I say more?


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