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Sunday, September 30, 2012 5:24 AM
1KIKI
Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.
Sunday, September 30, 2012 11:07 PM
Monday, October 1, 2012 3:42 AM
KWICKO
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)
Quote:Originally posted by Kwicko: Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: GEEZER- You're the one who posted the email. Several people- myself included- have already pointed to significant problems with it, which you cavalierly dismissed with a wave of your hand. Now you want us to go into great detail discounting an email that has no more credibility than "Saddam had WMD"?? Sorry, I played that game with rappy too many times, but I stopped even pretending to respond to him and I won't play that game with you. If you think the article has something genuine to say, then you prove it to us. Dig up the congressional history, who proposed what, who filibustered, "who voted for what and when" instead of expecting us to respond to a childish email. If YOU come up with a cogent point, I'm sure you'll get cogent responses. But if you have to wave this stupid rag around just to say I WIN I WIN then you've truly descended to rappy-land. Indeed. This is along the same lines as the old saw about "Dodd & Frank CAUSED the financial collapse of the whole world!" Yeah, somehow they managed to do that in a few short months when they got the chairs of the House and Senate Finance Committees. I've been asking, literally for years, for someone to point out the exact piece of legislation, the exact clause, section, article, that Dodd & Frank put into the 1977 Affordable Housing Act that collapsed the entire financial industry in less than a year. And every single time I've ever asked, I've been answered with... ... crickets.
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: GEEZER- You're the one who posted the email. Several people- myself included- have already pointed to significant problems with it, which you cavalierly dismissed with a wave of your hand. Now you want us to go into great detail discounting an email that has no more credibility than "Saddam had WMD"?? Sorry, I played that game with rappy too many times, but I stopped even pretending to respond to him and I won't play that game with you. If you think the article has something genuine to say, then you prove it to us. Dig up the congressional history, who proposed what, who filibustered, "who voted for what and when" instead of expecting us to respond to a childish email. If YOU come up with a cogent point, I'm sure you'll get cogent responses. But if you have to wave this stupid rag around just to say I WIN I WIN then you've truly descended to rappy-land.
Monday, October 1, 2012 4:13 PM
Tuesday, October 2, 2012 3:46 AM
GEEZER
Keep the Shiny side up
Quote:Originally posted by kpo: What case? Now who's not reading an entire post before responding.
Tuesday, October 2, 2012 4:06 AM
Quote:Originally posted by 1kiki: And yet NONE of them had anything to do with democrat's 'running' the country. That IS your claim, isn't it?
Tuesday, October 2, 2012 5:30 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Geezer: Quote:Originally posted by 1kiki: And yet NONE of them had anything to do with democrat's 'running' the country. That IS your claim, isn't it? No, Dear. It's YOUR assumption. ALL I've been saying is that when the President's party doesn't have control of one or both Houses of Congress, the opposition can obstruct or prevent legislation that the President and his party want to get passed. This applies equally to Bush and the 110th Congress, and Obama and the 112th Congress. That's it. No more. No less. If you want to go off on wild-assed rants because your prejudices and preconceptions, I surely can't stop you, but you're trying to argue against a point I never tried to make.
Tuesday, October 2, 2012 5:55 AM
KPO
Sometimes you own the libs. Sometimes, the libs own you.
Quote:Originally posted by Geezer: Quote:Originally posted by kpo: What case? Now who's not reading an entire post before responding. I read it all, but what's the point of responding to you when you don't know the basics of how your government works?
Tuesday, October 2, 2012 4:30 PM
Quote:Originally posted by Geezer: ALL I've been saying is that when the President's party doesn't have control of one or both Houses of Congress ... If you want to go off on wild-assed rants because your prejudices and preconceptions, I surely can't stop you, BUT YOU'RE TRYING TO ARGUE AGAINST A POINT I NEVER TRIED TO MAKE.
Quote:Originally posted by Geezer: "So when someone tries to blame Bush... REMEMBER JANUARY 3rd, 2007... THE DAY THE DEMOCRATS TOOK OVER!" Bush may have been in the car, but the Democrats were in charge of the gas pedal and steering wheel while they were driving the economy into the ditch."
Tuesday, October 2, 2012 5:10 PM
Quote:Originally posted by 1kiki: Quote:Originally posted by Geezer: ALL I've been saying is that when the President's party doesn't have control of one or both Houses of Congress ... If you want to go off on wild-assed rants because your prejudices and preconceptions, I surely can't stop you, BUT YOU'RE TRYING TO ARGUE AGAINST A POINT I NEVER TRIED TO MAKE. And this is the thread you posted with none of the 'all I've been saying' part ... Quote:Originally posted by Geezer: "So when someone tries to blame Bush... REMEMBER JANUARY 3rd, 2007... THE DAY THE DEMOCRATS TOOK OVER!" Bush may have been in the car, but the Democrats were in charge of the gas pedal and steering wheel while they were driving the economy into the ditch." So, you now refuse to stand behind your original post? Good. At least you've learned something.
Tuesday, October 2, 2012 7:35 PM
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