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"Binders full of women" -- yes, it's gone viral

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Wednesday, October 17, 2012 8:34 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Well, I gotta give 'em the prize for the first giggles, smirks AND guffaws of the morning:


"Where Mitt keeps Sarah"


"Binders-full, I tell you!"




"Ermahgerd Brindrs full of Wormern!"










Romney dug the knife in further re: women’s issues when he later chose to share an anecdote about one of his female employees.

“I recognized that if you're going to have women in the workforce that sometimes you need to be more flexible. My chief of staff, for instance, had two kids that were still in school. She said: ‘I can't be here until 7 or 8 o'clock at night. I need to be able to get home at 5 o'clock so I can be there for making dinner for my kids and being with them when they get home from school.’ So we said fine. Let's have a flexible schedule so you can have hours that work for you.”

Women need flexibility from their male employer (Romney) so they can be home in time to cook dinner for their family? Are we all June Cleavers?

















...and finally:


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Wednesday, October 17, 2012 8:43 AM

M52NICKERSON

DALEK!


Internet, I fucking love you!

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.
A warning to everyone, AURaptor is a known liar.

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Wednesday, October 17, 2012 8:49 AM

STORYMARK


Awesomeness.


Note to anyone - Please pity the poor, poor wittle Rappyboy. He's feeling put upon lately, what with all those facts disagreeing with what he believes.

"We will never have the elite, smart people on our side." -- Rick "Frothy" Santorum


"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

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Wednesday, October 17, 2012 9:14 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Yeah, I love it. Last time, Big Bird, this time, Binders...but this is better. There are TONS of them, this is just a short selection.

Go Mitt...open your mouth more, PLEASE!!!

The truth about the "binders" is all over the internet, by the way...righties will no doubt never hear about it, but it's out there for those who WILL!

That one really got my goat; it is SO blatant, so goddamned obvious that he knew he could tell the lie and nobody would call him on it... It's not a spin or a twist or an omission or anything, it's flat-out saying he did something he didn't and taking credit for what a bunch of people put a lot of work and time into, it just leaves me seeeething!


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Wednesday, October 17, 2012 9:21 AM

NEWOLDBROWNCOAT


See? There's no war against women. We just need to keep them in bondage... :<)

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Wednesday, October 17, 2012 9:21 AM

NEWOLDBROWNCOAT


See? There's no war against women. We just need to keep them in bondage... :<)

Aw, Hell. Double post. Site's slow today. Sorry.

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Wednesday, October 17, 2012 9:23 AM

STORYMARK





Note to anyone - Please pity the poor, poor wittle Rappyboy. He's feeling put upon lately, what with all those facts disagreeing with what he believes.

"We will never have the elite, smart people on our side." -- Rick "Frothy" Santorum


"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

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Wednesday, October 17, 2012 9:27 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Oh, how could y'all miss this one?







I'm waiting for the BDSM-themed punk band, Binders of Women, to be formed. :)



"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

"I was wrong" - Hero, 2012

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

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Wednesday, October 17, 2012 9:29 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)






"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

"I was wrong" - Hero, 2012

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

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Wednesday, October 17, 2012 9:36 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)



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Wednesday, October 17, 2012 9:37 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)






"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

"I was wrong" - Hero, 2012

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

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Wednesday, October 17, 2012 9:37 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)



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Wednesday, October 17, 2012 9:39 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)






"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

"I was wrong" - Hero, 2012

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

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Wednesday, October 17, 2012 10:07 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Yeah, Mike, I saw all of those...I'd just put so many up already, I figured I oughta stop SOMEWHERE! ;o) Tho' the first one of Clinton was reeel hard to resist, I admit...

ETA: Ah, but I DID miss this one (your link didn't come out, but I cut and pasted it):



That's another goodie...Clinton is SUCH an easy target for this one, it's great!

One of the other links doesn't work either; I passed on the Hillary one (there are several like it) because when Romney was governor, binders were commonly used, so the caption isn't accurate (yeah, I'm a bit of a stickler about stuff like that).

And of course, predictably there's a new Ermahgerd...




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Wednesday, October 17, 2012 11:46 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)






"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

"I was wrong" - Hero, 2012

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

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Wednesday, October 17, 2012 11:49 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!



When you're as awesome as Mitt, you don't merely have a 'little black book', you have frelling BINDERS of women!!!!

Hell yeah!


" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Wednesday, October 17, 2012 12:14 PM

PENGUIN








King of the Mythical Land that is Iowa

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Wednesday, October 17, 2012 1:18 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:

When you're as awesome as Mitt, you don't merely have a 'little black book', you have frelling BINDERS of women!!!!

Hell yeah!





How many of them are his wives?



"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

"I was wrong" - Hero, 2012

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

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Wednesday, October 17, 2012 1:29 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Ooo, good one Penguin! I saw that other LOTR one, but this one's even better!


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Wednesday, October 17, 2012 2:14 PM

M52NICKERSON

DALEK!


I don't know what is funnier, Mitt's binders full of women, or Rappy thinking we are not laughing at Mitt.

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.
A warning to everyone, AURaptor is a known liar.

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Wednesday, October 17, 2012 4:50 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)










"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

"I was wrong" - Hero, 2012

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

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Wednesday, October 17, 2012 4:51 PM

FREMDFIRMA


Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:



Pure fekkin WIN.
Of course, Clinton would have totally owned both debates,
hit on the moderator, and banged Romneys wife...
He was slime, but MAN he had style.

Anyhows, the key point of this is that ole Mitt the Shitt
doesn't see women as people, as human beings - simply...
Objects, Things, Resources.

Very telling, that is.

-Frem

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Wednesday, October 17, 2012 5:01 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


And now the "binders full of women" meme has hit Amazon.

http://www.amazon.com/Avery-Durable-Binder-EZ-Turn-17032/product-revie
ws/B001B0CTMU/ref=cm_cr_pr_top_link_1?ie=UTF8&showViewpoints=0&sortBy=bySubmissionDateDescending


Some reviews:

Quote:


This binder says it holds data, but every time I try to store scientific information in it, it rejects it and a voice booms out and says, "This binder is for women and the golden plates only". It used to hold theories and facts, but now only translations of stories about some magical beings.


Oh the disappointment! I searched the inter-webs far and wide for just the right place to hide my womanly self, and I thought I had found it in this Avery binder. But, alas, I poorly misjudged the size, and durability. At only 47% durable, I could barely fit 2 feet in it before it started to give. So, what am I, a mere woman to do? Return it? Order another one? I wish the political candidate had been more specific on which proper size/shape/color of binder is best. I'm disappointed, vulnerable, and lost. Maybe putting on my apron and high heels and throwing a roast in the oven will calm and comfort me. The hubs will be home soon...


This binder is only 72% as good as a binder full of men. It should only cost 72% as much! Doesn't this binder know it's place? It totally shouldn't get guaranteed contraceptive care and a right to privacy. What the heck is this little binder thinking?





"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

"I was wrong" - Hero, 2012

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

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Thursday, October 18, 2012 3:22 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)






"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

"I was wrong" - Hero, 2012

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

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Thursday, October 18, 2012 3:51 AM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up


Quote:

Originally posted by Niki2:
“I recognized that if you're going to have women in the workforce that sometimes you need to be more flexible. My chief of staff, for instance, had two kids that were still in school. She said: ‘I can't be here until 7 or 8 o'clock at night. I need to be able to get home at 5 o'clock so I can be there for making dinner for my kids and being with them when they get home from school.’ So we said fine. Let's have a flexible schedule so you can have hours that work for you.”



So you'd have been happier if Romney said, "No. You have to be here any time I need you. Find some other way to feed your kid."

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Thursday, October 18, 2012 4:56 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Quote:

Pure fekkin WIN.
Of course, Clinton would have totally owned both debates,
hit on the moderator, and banged Romneys wife...
He was slime, but MAN he had style.


Well, I'm not sure about ALL of that ;o), but I agree with that last line, fer shore. And I hate to tell you, but as a woman I'd say he still HAS style!

Oh, Mike, that is HYSTERICAL!! Trust people to latch onto something and utilize the imagination they could put to use constructively into a good laugh instead. I don't begrudge them, mind you, and I think it's funny, but imagine if we could harness all this energy!!!


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Thursday, October 18, 2012 5:54 AM

KPO

Sometimes you own the libs. Sometimes, the libs own you.


Quote:

Originally posted by Geezer:
Quote:

Originally posted by Niki2:
“I recognized that if you're going to have women in the workforce that sometimes you need to be more flexible. My chief of staff, for instance, had two kids that were still in school. She said: ‘I can't be here until 7 or 8 o'clock at night. I need to be able to get home at 5 o'clock so I can be there for making dinner for my kids and being with them when they get home from school.’ So we said fine. Let's have a flexible schedule so you can have hours that work for you.”



So you'd have been happier if Romney said, "No. You have to be here any time I need you. Find some other way to feed your kid."



I think it's a good thing what Romney did here (or claimed to have done - who knows what really happened?). And I think it's good policy to encourage such employer flexibiity for mothers - it's just funny that conservatives can't seem to separate the image of a woman - even a professional, working woman - from the image of a mother, cooking and taking care of children.

It's not personal. It's just war.

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Thursday, October 18, 2012 6:13 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


What he said. Precisely.

He could have come up with myriad examples (if he ever did such a thing for anyone), but the one that comes to mind for him instantly is a woman who needed to go home and cook. Merely an expression of how his mind works, not a bad thing to do.

The last company I worked for gave me some flexibility so that I could take Friday afternoons off early and go to my therapy appointment. That was them doing the correct thing to deal with my disability, per the Disability Act; I'm sure there were others who needed flexibility because of one reason or another. But somehow Romney thought this example showed his...compassion?...and didn't realize it wouldn't go over that well with women. That's all.


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Thursday, October 18, 2012 6:28 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


On a more serious note:
Quote:

In fairness, "binders" was most likely a slip of the tongue. But Romney said it in an effort to obfuscate and pivot from the issue at hand: equality for women. He avoided the real question, and that, and his remark, spoke volumes.

Even as a slip of the tongue, this odd phrase betrays Romney's true lack of understanding, knowledge and comfort level on women's equality. And besides the binders comment, there are several problems with the story Romney told Tuesday night.

First of all, it is not true. The "binder" of women's résumés was prepared before the election by the Massachusetts Government Appointments Project, a coalition of nonpartisan women's groups. When Romney won, the women -- not in binders -- gave him the résumés.

Romney told that story in an effort to demonstrate how well his administration had done in hiring women. Except it didn't. A study by the University of Massachusetts and the Center for Women in Politics and Public Policy shows that the percentage of women in senior positions during his tenure actually declined. It went from 30% when Romney took office to 27% when he left and up to more than 33% after the new governor took over.

Also, it boggles the mind that throughout his decades-long career in business, Romney had not come across any qualified women he could appoint to his Cabinet. The Romney campaign points to longtime aide Beth Myers, but she was not in the Cabinet.

The more reasonable explanation is that diversity of gender, or any kind of diversity, was never an important tenet of corporate leadership for Romney. Which is why he did not proactively seek out the "binders full of women": Women's groups, in fact, came looking for him.

All of this goes to the heart of why Romney has had such a hard time winning over the women's vote. He answered the audience member's question from the standpoint of a detached CEO who knew that he had to find qualified women to serve in his administration come hell or high water, given the vast disparity between men and women holding management positions. He must have known he would be blasted if he didn't do it. In this day and age, this should be a no-brainer. You should not ask the American people to give you a medal for hiring qualified women.

The dissonance when it comes to the governor and women went even further at the debate. Romney not only couldn't answer the question about women' equality, he could not even answer a question about outlawing AK-47s without bringing up single mothers. Saying he did not believe in changing gun laws, he seemed to equate children raised by single parents with the "culture of violence." I may be wrong, but I don't think that is a good strategy to get struggling single moms to vote for you.

President Obama, in contrast, answered the equality question not just from a personal standpoint as a father but also as a commander in chief who signed a bill into law that guaranteed women could receive equal pay for equal work, the Lilly Ledbetter Act. Romney conspicuously never said whether he supported that act. The president's approach was much more in synch with what women want to hear and with what all Americans know to be fair.

The binders comment was even more unfortunate for Romney in that he said it in the midst of Obama's very strong showing. The president clearly showed that he had the fight, the passion and the commitment to continue to work for middle-class voters -- on jobs, on health care, on taxes, on education, on immigration and, yes, on women's issues.

This all underscores Romney's inability to really connect with voters. Although he seemed to win a little more favor among women after the first debate, I predict binders of polling data as to why that movement stopped after Tuesday night. http://www.cnn.com/2012/10/17/opinion/cardona-binders-women/index.html
?hpt=hp_t2


Spot on, in my opinion.


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Thursday, October 18, 2012 7:45 AM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up


Quote:

Originally posted by kpo:
And I think it's good policy to encourage such employer flexibiity for mothers - it's just funny that conservatives can't seem to separate the image of a woman - even a professional, working woman - from the image of a mother, cooking and taking care of children.



Could it be that they recognise that there are a lot of professional working women who ARE mothers and still have to cook and take care of children? Since 3/4 of single-parent households are headed by women, and 61% or mothers overall work outside the home, seems like it'd be a simple conclusion that there are a lot of women who have to juggle career and family. Is this something that's hard for liberals to understand?

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Thursday, October 18, 2012 7:56 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by Geezer:
Quote:

Originally posted by Niki2:
“I recognized that if you're going to have women in the workforce that sometimes you need to be more flexible. My chief of staff, for instance, had two kids that were still in school. She said: ‘I can't be here until 7 or 8 o'clock at night. I need to be able to get home at 5 o'clock so I can be there for making dinner for my kids and being with them when they get home from school.’ So we said fine. Let's have a flexible schedule so you can have hours that work for you.”



So you'd have been happier if Romney said, "No. You have to be here any time I need you. Find some other way to feed your kid."




You'd be happy if he said that to a man in the same situation?



"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

"I was wrong" - Hero, 2012

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

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Thursday, October 18, 2012 7:58 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by Niki2:


Trust people to latch onto something and utilize the imagination they could put to use constructively into a good laugh instead. I don't begrudge them, mind you, and I think it's funny, but imagine if we could harness all this energy!!!




Oh, but we can - Laughter and mirth are energy forms of their own, and have great healing properties as well!

And they're infinitely renewable. :)



"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

"I was wrong" - Hero, 2012

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

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Thursday, October 18, 2012 8:16 AM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up


Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
You'd be happy if he said that to a man in the same situation?



Now where did I say that?

I'm not the one complaining because Gov. Romney would make a work schedule accomodation to help out an employee who asked.

Also not the one complaining because he'd apparently notice when there were no women in the list of potential senior officials, and ask to see some resumes.

Seems like strange stuff for the liberals here to be complaining about.

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Thursday, October 18, 2012 9:15 AM

STORYMARK


Quote:

Originally posted by Geezer:
Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
You'd be happy if he said that to a man in the same situation?



Now where did I say that?




Don't like your own tactic being thrown back at ya, it seems.


Note to anyone - Please pity the poor, poor wittle Rappyboy. He's feeling put upon lately, what with all those facts disagreeing with what he believes.

"We will never have the elite, smart people on our side." -- Rick "Frothy" Santorum


"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

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Thursday, October 18, 2012 10:16 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Quote:

Is this something that's hard for liberals to understand?

Absurd thing to ask, as you know perfectly well we do. Nice bit of ignoring what KPO wrote:
Quote:

it's just funny that conservatives can't seem to separate the image of a woman - even a professional, working woman - from the image of a mother, cooking and taking care of children.

and what I wrote:
Quote:

oI'm sure there were others who needed flexibility because of one reason or another. But somehow Romney thought this example showed his...compassion?...and didn't realize it wouldn't go over that well with women. That's all.

Go right ahead and ignore our responses so that you can make your chosen cracks, but that doesn't change that they are right there for you to see.
Quote:

Also not the one complaining because he'd apparently notice when there were no women in the list of potential senior officials, and ask to see some resumes.

BUT HE DID NOT! That has been detailed over and over in the news ever since he said it. What you guys choose to ignore is amazing, and I will never be able to figure out WHY!

One more time. Transcript of what Romney said:
Quote:

ROMNEY: Thank you. And important topic, and one which I learned a great deal about, particularly as I was serving as governor of my state, because I had the chance to pull together a cabinet and all the applicants seemed to be men.

And I — and I went to my staff, and I said, “How come all the people for these jobs are — are all men.” They said, “Well, these are the people that have the qualifications.” And I said, “Well, gosh, can’t we — can’t we find some — some women that are also qualified?”

ROMNEY: And — and so we — we took a concerted effort to go out and find women who had backgrounds that could be qualified to become members of our cabinet.

I went to a number of women’s groups and said, “Can you help us find folks,” and they brought us whole binders full of women.



The truth: Romney wasn’t concerned about the lack of women in government as he was forming his cabinet, and he didn’t ask women’s groups for the binders to help him out. Women’s groups were concerned about the issue even before the gubernatorial elections, so they put together binders and then gave them to Romney after he was elected.
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What actually happened was that in 2002 — prior to the election, not even knowing yet whether it would be a Republican or Democratic administration — a bipartisan group of women in Massachusetts formed MassGAP to address the problem of few women in senior leadership positions in state government. There were more than 40 organizations involved with the Massachusetts Women’s Political Caucus (also bipartisan) as the lead sponsor.

They did the research and put together the binder full of women qualified for all the different cabinet positions, agency heads, and authorities and commissions. They presented this binder to Governor Romney when he was elected.

I have written about this before, in various contexts; tonight I’ve checked with several people directly involved in the MassGAP effort who confirm that this history as I’ve just presented it is correct — and that Romney’s claim tonight, that he asked for such a study, is false. http://blog.thephoenix.com/BLOGS/talkingpolitics/archive/2012/10/16/mi
nd-the-binder.aspx


And here IS the goddamned binder itself:

This photo released Wednesday, Oct. 17, 2012 by the Massachusetts Women's Political Caucus shows the cover of a binder produced in 2002 by the Massachusetts Government Appointments Project, listing names of potential female candidates for high-level positions in the state.

And from MassGAP themselves:
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A coalition of Massachusetts women's groups says GOP presidential nominee Mitt Romney did, in fact, receive binders with the names of potential female candidates for high-level positions when he was governor. But representatives of the Massachusetts Government Appointments Project note the effort, which did increase the number of women in top positions, started before Romney was elected in 2002. http://www.deseretnews.com/article/765612238/Binders-full-of-women-eff
ort-predated-Romney.html


You want it from the Mass WPC themselves? Try their own website:
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BOSTON - At the presidential debate last night, questions arose regarding how women candidates were identified for potential appointment to leadership roles by former Massachusetts Governor Mitt Romney. What follows details the process that was created by the Massachusetts Women's Political Caucus in 2002 to maximize opportunities for women to be considered for key roles in Massachusetts government.

The Massachusetts Government Appointments Project (MassGAP) was founded under the leadership of the MA Women’s Political Caucus in 2002 to address the issue of the under-representation of women in appointed positions in Massachusetts government. MassGAP brought together a nonpartisan coalition of over 25 women's organizations to recruit women to apply for government positions within the administration, and recommend qualified women for those positions.

Prior to the 2002 gubernatorial election, MassGAP approached the campaigns of candidates Shannon O'Brien and Mitt Romney and asked them both to commit to: (1).“Make best efforts” to ensure that the number of women in appointed state positions is proportionate to the population of women in Massachusetts; (2). Select a transition team whose composition is proportionate to the women in the Commonwealth; and (3). Meet with MassGAP representatives regularly during the appointments process. Both campaigns made a commitment to this process.

http://www.mwpc.org/news/images/PhotoofBinder3.JPG

Following the election, MassGAP formed committees for each cabinet post in the administration and began the process of recruiting, interviewing, and vetting women applicants. Those committees selected top applicants for each position and presented this information to the administration for follow-up interviews and consideration for appointment.

MassGAP is proud to have the Massachusetts Women's Political Caucus as our lead sponsor and we are grateful to all of the women who have devoted their time and energy to making this project a continued success. The Massachusetts Women's Political Caucus is a nonpartisan, nonprofit organization founded in 1971 to increase the number of women elected and appointed to public office and public policy positions and to maximize the participation of women of all ages in the political process.More at http://www.mwpc.org/news/featured.php


Now, can we PLEASE put this puppy to rest?? Or should I save all this for every time you or Rap or whoever repeats Romney's lie? He didn't give a damn about women in his administration...and in actual fact, here's some more information on his wonderful efforts to get women into government:
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First of all, according to MassGAP and MWPC, Romney did appoint 14 women out of his first 33 senior-level appointments, which is a reasonably impressive 42 percent. However, as I have reported before, those were almost all to head departments and agencies that he didn't care about -- and in some cases, that he quite specifically wanted to not really do anything. None of the senior positions Romney cared about -- budget, business development, etc. -- went to women.

Secondly, a UMass-Boston study found that the percentage of senior-level appointed positions held by women actually declined throughout the Romney administration, from 30.0% prior to his taking office, to 29.7% in July 2004, to 27.6% near the end of his term in November 2006. (It then began rapidly rising when Deval Patrick took office.)

Third, note that in Romney's story as he tells it, this man who had led and consulted for businesses for 25 years didn't know any qualified women, or know where to find any qualified women. So what does that say? http://blog.thephoenix.com/BLOGS/talkingpolitics/archive/2012/10/16/mi
nd-the-binder.aspx

Check the facts; it's true, senior-level appointed positions held by women DID decline throughout his administration.

So it would be nice if you guys would quit while you're behind and let that one slide, because he's been outted, it's just another in a multitude of lies which speaks clearly to the fact that he'll say whatever comes to mind, even if it's easily disprovable, because he knows his base will buy it and defend him to the death. But it would be awfully nice if you guys HERE would just let it go and we can move on to other things.


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Thursday, October 18, 2012 11:47 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


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Originally posted by m52nickerson:
I don't know what is funnier, Mitt's binders full of women, or Rappy thinking we are not laughing at Mitt.



How about me not caring, one jot, since this entire issue is phony as hell and not registering w/ REAL America, at all ?

Hell, even Piers Morgan is taking shots at Team Obama ...

Final question, binders of women. I find it rather facile and silly, to be honest with you, that the Democrats are trying to make it fun of Mitt Romney for what seemed to be a perfectly reasonable to say, in the same way the Big Bird thing looked a bit silly and facile. Do you guys think that perhaps you should be focusing on more serious stuff than this?
- Piers, to Obama campaign ghoul, David Axelrod.


In light of all that's going on, with high gas prices, rising food prices, absurdly high unemployment, US ambassadors being murdered over seas, we get THIS! 100 % phony, contrived, and juvenile. But hell, that's today's extreme, far Left wing Democratic party.





" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Thursday, October 18, 2012 11:47 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


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Originally posted by Geezer:
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Originally posted by Kwicko:
You'd be happy if he said that to a man in the same situation?



Now where did I say that?



Where did Niki say that she'd "have been happier if Romney said, 'No. You have to be here any time I need you. Find some other way to feed your kid.'"


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Also not the one complaining because he'd apparently notice when there were no women in the list of potential senior officials, and ask to see some resumes.



Except that he didn't ask to see them, and he didn't "notice" anything, according to the group that approached BOTH candidates BEFORE the election.


Seems like strange stuff for the conservatives to be lying about.

Oh, wait - it doesn't seem strange at all.



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"I was wrong" - Hero, 2012

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

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Thursday, October 18, 2012 1:20 PM

KPO

Sometimes you own the libs. Sometimes, the libs own you.


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Could it be that they recognise that there are a lot of professional working women who ARE mothers

Sure. And it could also be that this was the specific demographic the Romney campaign wanted to target and why they chose/concocted the story they did. It doesn't stop it being funny though.

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Is this something that's hard for liberals to understand?

No one's failing to understand anything - except you failing to understand why this is funny.

It's not personal. It's just war.

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Thursday, October 18, 2012 3:07 PM

M52NICKERSON

DALEK!


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
How about me not caring, one jot, since this entire issue is phony as hell and not registering w/ REAL America, at all ?



Yes, because all of the people on the internet, on the radio, and on TV talking about this are not REAL America.

God you're an idiot.

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.
A warning to everyone, AURaptor is a known liar.

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Thursday, October 18, 2012 4:33 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by m52nickerson:
Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
How about me not caring, one jot, since this entire issue is phony as hell and not registering w/ REAL America, at all ?



Yes, because all of the people on the internet, on the radio, and on TV talking about this are not REAL America.

God you're an idiot.

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.
A warning to everyone, AURaptor is a known liar.





He cares so little about it that he had to click into a post specifically dedicated to it to post how little he cares.


Be sure to keep on ignoring us, Rappy. You're worse at it than you claim Niki is at ignoring you!



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"I was wrong" - Hero, 2012

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

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Friday, October 19, 2012 2:19 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by m52nickerson:
Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
How about me not caring, one jot, since this entire issue is phony as hell and not registering w/ REAL America, at all ?



Yes, because all of the people on the internet, on the radio, and on TV talking about this are not REAL America.

God you're an idiot.



Oh, they're talking about it alright( see Piers Morgan ). But not in the glowing terms YOU think. They're laughing at the Dems, who are frantically trying to phony up ANY issue to divert attention away from Obama's dismal one term, and the ever unfurling debacle that IS the Benghazi scandal.

Keep it up. It's working !

ROFLMAO !!!!!!!!!


" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Friday, October 19, 2012 2:46 AM

M52NICKERSON

DALEK!


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Quote:

Originally posted by m52nickerson:
Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
How about me not caring, one jot, since this entire issue is phony as hell and not registering w/ REAL America, at all ?



Yes, because all of the people on the internet, on the radio, and on TV talking about this are not REAL America.

God you're an idiot.



Oh, they're talking about it alright( see Piers Morgan ). But not in the glowing terms YOU think. They're laughing at the Dems, who are frantically trying to phony up ANY issue to divert attention away from Obama's dismal one term, and the ever unfurling debacle that IS the Benghazi scandal.

Keep it up. It's working !

ROFLMAO !!!!!!!!!


" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "



Piers Morgan is the only one I've heard talking negativly about it. You must think he is one of those REAL Americans.

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.
A warning to everyone, AURaptor is a known liar.

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Friday, October 19, 2012 2:49 AM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up


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Originally posted by Niki2:
Quote:

Also not the one complaining because he'd apparently notice when there were no women in the list of potential senior officials, and ask to see some resumes.

BUT HE DID NOT! That has been detailed over and over in the news ever since he said it. What you guys choose to ignore is amazing, and I will never be able to figure out WHY!



Okay.

Let's see.

We know that the MWPC made binders of qualified women for both candidates in the 2002 governors election, and informed both candidates. Per Gov. Romney, when he got a list from his staff, it was all men, so possibly they ignored the MWPC list. Romney said, in effect, where's the list with qualified women, and they brought him the MWPC list, which was compiled by a number of women's groups that make up the MWPC.

The biggest discrepency I can find between Romney and the sources you cite is whether he knew about the MWPC binders beforehand, or if he just got the sequence of events out of order.

I do love how you, and your cites, manage to ignore the main point of the story, which was that Gov. Romney wanted to see qualified women applying for jobs in his administration.

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Friday, October 19, 2012 3:10 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by m52nickerson:

Piers Morgan is the only one I've heard talking negativly about it. You must think he is one of those REAL Americans.



The fact that he's on t.v., and a Liberal, and that he's NOT an American is too gorram funny. This is how the world sees you, as " silly and facile " .




" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Friday, October 19, 2012 3:18 AM

M52NICKERSON

DALEK!


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
The fact that he's on t.v., and a Liberal, and that he's NOT an American is too gorram funny. This is how the world sees you, as " silly and facile " .



Because oviously Morgan speaks for the world. He is also so liberal that Rupert Murdoch hired him to write and edit some of his papers.

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.
A warning to everyone, AURaptor is a known liar.

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Friday, October 19, 2012 3:30 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by m52nickerson:
Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
The fact that he's on t.v., and a Liberal, and that he's NOT an American is too gorram funny. This is how the world sees you, as " silly and facile " .



Because oviously Morgan speaks for the world. He is also so liberal that Rupert Murdoch hired him to write and edit some of his papers.

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.
A warning to everyone, AURaptor is a known liar.





And he's proof positive that this is how REAL America feels, according to Rappy.

It's also proof how very little Rappy even cares, so little that he keeps coming back and posting his version of "IS NOT! NYUH-UHHH!" over and over again.

Not caring at all: You're doing it wrong, Rap.



"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

"I was wrong" - Hero, 2012

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

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Friday, October 19, 2012 4:41 AM

KPO

Sometimes you own the libs. Sometimes, the libs own you.


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The biggest discrepency I can find between Romney and the sources you cite is whether he knew about the MWPC binders beforehand, or if he just got the sequence of events out of order.

Yeah, he just happened to get the facts wrong in a way that grossly flattered himself. LOL, Geezer, you claim to hate politicians lying but the truth is you only hate one side lying; and when the other side lies you're the most forgiving man in the world!

And if you think that Romney's lie was a small, or inconsequential one, consider Romney's story without it:

"Just before I was elected Governor of Massachussets a woman's group came to me and asked me if they went out and researched qualified women candidates for cabinet positions would I consider appointing them? And I agreed."

Yeah, so what?? One can begin to see why Romney just happened to get 'the sequence of events out of order'. By the way I'll have to remember that line and adapt it, the next time you rage about a (Democratic) politician lying.

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I do love how you, and your cites, manage to ignore the main point of the story, which was that Gov. Romney wanted to see qualified women applying for jobs in his administration.

We're not ignoring it, we're contesting it on the grounds that the story was concocted! It's possible Romney *did* want to see women appointed to his cabinet, and was genuinely enthusiastic when the woman's group approached him - I don't rule that out at all - but all we have is lying Romney's word for it. For some reason you've accepted it as fact...

It's not personal. It's just war.

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Friday, October 19, 2012 6:53 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Twist and turn, twist and turn. Romney SAID: "I went to a number of women’s groups and said, “Can you help us find folks,” and they brought us whole binders full of women." He did not. They offered the resumes of the women to whoever won the Governorship, he didn't go looking for them.

Piers Stefan Pughe-Morgan is a Brit, he is in no way a "real American", that's laughable. He is also FAR from liberal; he was appointed editor of News of the World by Rupert Murdoch. He also allegedly published a story while knowing it to have been obtained by phone hacking while editor of the Daily Mirror in 2002. Morgan is also alleged to have close ties with the Rupert Murdoch family and defended them in the media against suggestions that they were more involved in the News International phone hacking scandal than they claimed. His opinion is of little if any value.

The world IS laughing at us because of the insanity of this election season...and/or confused how such a great country can be virtually run by crazies. You can ask our Brits and Ozzie right here about that. And you can find it easily on the internet: "The Brits are laughing (deservedly): US election 2012" http://www.greanvillepost.com/2012/10/04/the-brits-are-laughing-deserv
edly-us-election-2012
/
.

From the BBC
Quote:

'Are the Republican candidates all crazy?

I've lost count of the number of times over the Christmas break that people have asked me some variation of that question. Weird, mad or bonkers, whatever word they used their contemptuous dismissal was the same.

We Brits have a bit of a record of patronisingly shaking our heads at American quirkiness. But the perception that there is something wrong with this year's crop of candidates isn't only across the Atlantic or confined by political persuasion.

Partly, it is because they have indeed said some pretty bizarre things. {It goes on to quote Bachmann, Rick Perry, etc.}. That the debates at times have seemed like a parade of pygmies says something about the state of the Republican party.

But part of it is political. Many see the candidates as far out, on the edge. It is easy to see how that happens, particularly for a British audience.Far more insightful material at http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-16386176] and
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...at the same time can-do American pragmatists acquired an unhealthy taste for ideological zeal, for religious fundamentalism more attuned to Saudi Arabia than to secular Europe and for baffling culture wars in which some people kill each other to defend the sanctity of life. In his memoirs Alan Greenspan argued that the civil rights acts broke up the old bipartisan Washington where liberal Republicans and reactionary good ole' boy Democrats softened the contours of ideological strife.

Foreigners can follow that, but they're still not sure why the U.S. Constitution of 1787, which expressly separated church and state should now be required to uphold creationist “science” by its most ardent admirers. Or did I get that wrong?

Yes, I know that German bankers have strong doubts about the European Central Bank (ECB) wanting to behave like a real central bank to save the euro. But they would never have called their central bankers “traitors,” as routinely happens in the Tea Party world

Why, I almost forgot the European joke about the modern Tea Party being just the same as the original one in Boston in 1773. They both consist of poor people being hoodwinked into helping rich people avoid paying their taxes to the government. My how we laughed at that one, but we laugh slightly less loudly than we did. Excerpts from http://www.europeaninstitute.org/EA-September-2012/perspectives-the-us
-electionas-seen-by-a-european.html


Pretty well sums it up. Every country has its nut jobs, and many countries have nut jobs in government, but this past election season and the truly crazy candidates put up by the right have had the world perplexed and laughing at our idiocy.


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Friday, October 19, 2012 7:05 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by Niki2:


Twist and turn, twist and turn. Romney SAID: "I went to a number of women’s groups and said, “Can you help us find folks,” and they brought us whole binders full of women." He did not. They offered the resumes of the women to whoever won the Governorship, he didn't go looking for them.




Exactly. Had Romney said "A number of women's groups came to us..." instead of "I went to a number of women's groups..."

I thought Geezer was one of those who really cared about what people actually said. Apparently I thought wrong.



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"I was wrong" - Hero, 2012

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

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Friday, October 19, 2012 4:43 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)




This showed up in my facebook feed today...




Nailed it.



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"I was wrong" - Hero, 2012

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