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IDF shoots at unarmed farmers; Ultra-Orthodox Israeli Jews attack Xtain churches; arms flow to Syrian radical Islamists
Friday, October 19, 2012 7:14 AM
SIGNYM
I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.
Quote:A Franciscan monastery on Mount Zion in Jerusalem was vandalized in early October, as derogatory words about Jesus were painted on the entrance gate alongside the words “Price tag” in Hebrew. “Price tag” violence is the term used to describe acts of vandalism usually carried out by Jewish-Israeli settlers in the occupied West Bank in response to Israeli government decisions with which they disagree. ....The Assembly of Catholic Ordinaries in the Holy Land expressed its dismay at the incident. “More than anything, the Assembly again asks, that radical changes be made in the educational system, otherwise the same causes will produce the same effects over and over,” it said in a statement (“Franciscan convent on Mount Zion desecrated, ACOHL dismayed,” Latin Patriarchate of Jerusalem, 2 October).To date, Israeli police have yet to arrest anyone in connection with the vandalism. ... The recent wave of attacks on Christian holy sites signals something new, however. Suspected Israeli extremists also burned the door of a monastery in Latrun — halfway between Jerusalem and Tel Aviv — in September, and scrawled the words “Jesus is a monkey” on the wall.... In July, Israeli Knesset (parliament) member Michael Ben-Ari tore up a copy of the New Testament. “This abominable book brought about the murder of millions of Jews in the Inquisition,” Ben-Ari reportedly said, adding, “This book and those who sent it belong in the garbage can of history.” Priests from many Christian denominations have long complained of harassment in Jerusalem’s Old City, including most notably being cursed and spat on by ultra-Orthodox Jews. “This is one of the phenomena that we as Armenians who live in this part of the Old City have been facing for many years,” explained Archbishop Aris Shirvanian, Director of the ecumenical and foreign relations department of the Armenian Patriarchate in Jerusalem. “I believe it’s a matter of education. People that are in [the] majority and do not condone such acts, whether vandalism or spitting, they should do their duty by educating their own people to refrain from such activities which are threatening the peace in this land,” Shirvanian said..... According to Kairos’ Rifat Kassis, attacks on Christian holy sites are only one part of the daily attacks carried out by right-wing Israelis against Palestinians throughout the area.
Quote:For months, the U.S. has been helping Arab allies coordinate arms shipments to rebel fighters in Syria. Unfortunately, most of those weapons are going to radical Islamists instead of secular opposition groups. According to a classified government report uncovered by The New York Times' David Sanger, the flood of Saudi and Qatari weapons into Syria is strengthening the hand of extremist groups in the country, including those with ties to Al Qaeda. “The opposition groups that are receiving the most of the lethal aid are exactly the ones we don’t want to have it,” a U.S. official says. Not only is there the fear that the weapons could bolster anti-American insurgent groups, but these extremist groups could hold sway in a future Syrian government should President Bashar al-Assad be removed. “The longer this goes on, the more likely those groups will gain strength,” a Middle East diplomat tells the Times. It's the sort of dark irony reminiscent of the Soviet war in Afghanistan, in which an influx of foreign militants and weaponry to the mujahideen gave rise to blowback, and even provided a springboard for more ambitious extremists like Osama bin Laden. As it stands, the U.S. is not sending arms directly to Syrian opposition groups, it's reportedly just helping Saudi Arabia and Qatar do it with lighter weapons like rifles and grenades. But this latest assessment, which Sanger says has been delivered to President Obama, calls into question the White House strategy of indirect intervention.
Friday, October 19, 2012 1:59 PM
Friday, October 19, 2012 10:19 PM
OONJERAH
Saturday, October 20, 2012 2:57 AM
GEEZER
Keep the Shiny side up
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Our Allies May Be Arming the Next Osama bin Laden in Syria Quote:For months, the U.S. has been helping Arab allies coordinate arms shipments to rebel fighters in Syria. Unfortunately, most of those weapons are going to radical Islamists instead of secular opposition groups. According to a classified government report uncovered by The New York Times' David Sanger, the flood of Saudi and Qatari weapons into Syria is strengthening the hand of extremist groups in the country, including those with ties to Al Qaeda. “The opposition groups that are receiving the most of the lethal aid are exactly the ones we don’t want to have it,” a U.S. official says. Not only is there the fear that the weapons could bolster anti-American insurgent groups, but these extremist groups could hold sway in a future Syrian government should President Bashar al-Assad be removed. “The longer this goes on, the more likely those groups will gain strength,” a Middle East diplomat tells the Times. It's the sort of dark irony reminiscent of the Soviet war in Afghanistan, in which an influx of foreign militants and weaponry to the mujahideen gave rise to blowback, and even provided a springboard for more ambitious extremists like Osama bin Laden. As it stands, the U.S. is not sending arms directly to Syrian opposition groups, it's reportedly just helping Saudi Arabia and Qatar do it with lighter weapons like rifles and grenades. But this latest assessment, which Sanger says has been delivered to President Obama, calls into question the White House strategy of indirect intervention.
Saturday, October 20, 2012 4:16 AM
FREMDFIRMA
Saturday, October 20, 2012 4:24 AM
KPO
Sometimes you own the libs. Sometimes, the libs own you.
Quote:But Gov. Romney promises that if elected, he'll make sure that arms go to rebel groups "who share our values".
Saturday, October 20, 2012 6:23 AM
Quote:My take on the second story, re: Syria We are playing Divide & Conquer with them.
Quote:Me, I am rather gratified by the brush off that ole Ninnyhammer(Netanyahu) got from the CinC - he came over here demanding a face-to-face and Obama brushed him off, and then when he went whining to the usual bunch of Likud-fellators at least two of em (one was Waxman) sent him packing. This resulted in his HILARIOUSLY bad whinefest at the UN, complete with ridiculous flashcards, which rendered him more or less a laughingstock - ridicule is a deadly political weapon.
Saturday, October 20, 2012 6:30 AM
NIKI2
Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...
Saturday, October 20, 2012 6:40 AM
Saturday, October 20, 2012 11:40 AM
1KIKI
Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.
Saturday, October 20, 2012 6:44 PM
Sunday, October 21, 2012 3:13 AM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Well, I see rappy, Geezer, and Wulf don't have any ideas about why we're blowing wads of cash destabilizing a half-dozen or so nations without any apparent purpose.
Tuesday, October 23, 2012 5:27 PM
Wednesday, October 24, 2012 4:06 AM
BYTEMITE
Quote:I've only seen one possible payback: The two oil-producing nations that were going to dump the dollar were obliterated.
Wednesday, October 24, 2012 6:21 AM
Quote:In 1914, when war was declared in Europe, America adopted a policy of neutrality and isolation. Up to that date, America had tried to keep out of World War One – though she had traded with nations involved in the war – but unrestricted submarine warfare, introduced by the Germans on January 9th, 1917, was the primary issue that caused Woodrow Wilson to ask Congress to declare war on Germany on April 2nd.
Quote:Reason number one: The Japanese bombed and nearly destroyed the entire US Naval Fleet in Pearl Harbor, Hawaii on December 7, 1941. Reason number two: Winston Churchill had been begging for the US to help the Brits and their allies to defeat the evil Nazi Germans and to liberate the European countries who were being oppressed by the Nazis or killed by them. The Nazis killed 20 million people in the Soviet Union. The Soviet Union was an ally of the UK and USA. Reason Number Three and the most Important Reason: To save the world from fascism, communism and the evil, atrocious acts being done by the Japanese. To save the nations of the world that were taken over by the Japanese, Germans and Italians. They also had to save as many Jews and "undesirables" Hitler had been killing in mass genocide.
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