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OMIGawd, FauxNews, Romney and the others were WRONG about Benghazi!!!!

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Friday, November 2, 2012 11:04 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


What the hell, with THAT title, surely it'll egg 'em on...
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The account given by the senior officials provided the most detailed description to date of the C.I.A.’s role in Benghazi, a covert presence that appears to have been much more significant than publicly disclosed.

Within 25 minutes of being alerted to the attack against the diplomatic mission, half a dozen C.I.A. officers raced there from their base about a mile away, enlisting the help of a handful of Libyan militia fighters as they went. Arriving at the mission about 25 minutes after that, the C.I.A. officers joined State Department security agents in a futile search through heavy smoke and enemy fire for Ambassador J. Christopher Stevens before evacuating the mission’s personnel to the apparent safety of their base, which American officials have called an annex to the mission. Mr. Stevens was one of four Americans killed in the attack.

A four-hour lull in the fighting beginning shortly after midnight seemed to suggest that the worst was over. An unarmed military drone that the C.I.A. took control of to map possible escape routes relayed reassuring images to Tripoli and Washington. But just before dawn, and soon after a C.I.A.-led team of reinforcements, including two military commandos, arrived from Tripoli, a brief but deadly mortar attack surprised the Americans. Two of the C.I.A. security officers who were defending the base from a rooftop were killed.

“The officers on the ground in Benghazi responded to the situation on the night of 11 and 12 September as quickly and as effectively as possible,” one of the senior intelligence officials told reporters.

Thursday’s briefing for reporters was intended to refute reports, including one by Fox News last Friday, that the C.I.A.’s chain of command had blocked the officers on the ground from responding to the mission’s calls for help.

“There were no orders to anybody to stand down in providing support,” the official said, speaking on the condition of anonymity because of continuing investigations by the State Department and the F.B.I.

At a time when the circumstances surrounding the attack on the Benghazi compound have emerged as a major political issue, with Republicans criticizing the Obama administration’s handling of the episode, the senior official also sought to rebut reports that C.I.A. requests for support from the Pentagon that night had gone unheeded.

In fact, the official said, the military diverted a Predator drone from a reconnaissance mission in Darnah, 90 miles away, in time to oversee the mission’s evacuation. The two commandos, based at the embassy in Tripoli, joined the reinforcements. And a military transport plane flew the wounded Americans and Mr. Stevens’s body out of Libya. http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/02/world/africa/cia-played-major-defens
ive-role-in-libya-attack.html?ref=world&_r=0



Ooops.
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A slew of new reporting this morning debunks Fox News reports claiming that the Obama administration withheld assistance during the Sept. 11 attack on a U.S. diplomatic mission in Libya. With these revelations, the combined conservative narrative as led by Fox News — that the Obama administration failed to respond adequately during the attack and that mainstream media has not covered Benghazi enough — is in further disarray.

The new reports also contain previously unreported details about the CIA’s role in Benghazi. President Obama and Secretary of Defense Panetta did order U.S. forces into the region, but the CIA was the first to respond to the attack, arriving on the scene in under half an hour.

The lack of security at the outpost in Benghazi, far removed from the U.S. Embassy in Tripoli, has been the subject of inquiry by both Fox News and Congressional Republicans. The Wall Street Journal sheds new light onto why that was the case. The CIA and State Department had entered into a series of secret deals in which the Agency would provide emergency security to the diplomats operating within Libya.

While the State Department primarily relied upon local Libyan militias for day-to-day protection, as well as contracted British private security, the arrangement between it and the CIA explains why the outpost seemed under-protected. The primary role of the CIA was intelligence gathering and covert operations within Benghazi. Agents there operated out of an annex originally reported to be an offshoot of the diplomatic mission, revealed officially — and accidentally — during Issa’s highly politicized hearing into the Benghazi attacks. http://thinkprogress.org/security/2012/11/02/1128831/new-details-discr
edit-fox-news-benghazi/?mobile=nc


How about that detailed timeline?
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?9:40 p.m.: A senior State Department security officer at the U.S. Consulate in Benghazi called the CIA base, at an annex about a mile away, and requested assistance: “The compound is under attack. People are moving through the gates.” CIA officers at the base can hear the alarm, and a team immediately begins gathering weapons and preparing to leave.

?10:04 p.m.: A six-person rescue squad from the agency’s Global Response Staff (GRS) leaves in two vehicles. The team leader is a career CIA officer; the team includes a contractor named Tyrone Woods, who later died. During the previous 24-minute interval, the CIA base chief calls the February 17 Brigade, other militias and the Libyan intelligence service seeking vehicles with .50-caliber machine guns. Nobody responds. The team leader and the base chief agree at 10:04 that they can’t wait any longer, and the squad heads for the consulate.

The senior intelligence official said that he doesn’t know whether Woods or any of the other team members agitated to go sooner but added that he wouldn’t be surprised. “I want them to have a sense of urgency,” he said.

?10:10 p.m.: The rescue team reached a chaotic intersection a few blocks from the consulate. Militias gathered there have several .50-caliber machine guns, which the CIA team tries unsuccessfully to commandeer; three militiamen offer to help. The rescue party now includes 10 people: six GRS officers, a CIA translator and the three Libyan volunteers.

?10:20 p.m.: A reconnaissance party of two GRS officers heads to the consulate; at 10:25, three more GRS officers enter the main gate and begin engaging the attackers. The firefight lasts about 15 minutes.

?10:40 p.m.: Members of the CIA team enter the burning inferno of “Villa C,” where Ambassador Christopher Stevens is believed to be hiding. CIA officers try numerous times to reach the “safe room” but are driven back by the intense smoke and fire. Small-arms fire continues from the Libyan attackers.

?11:11 p.m.: An unarmed military Predator drone arrives over the compound to provide aerial reconnaissance. The drone had been diverted from a mission over Darnah, about 90 minutes away. But without weapons, it can’t help much.

?11:15 p.m.: The CIA team puts a group of State Department officers into a vehicle and sends it to the agency base; at 11:30, the CIA officers depart under fire and reach the annex six minutes later.

?11:56 p.m.: CIA officers at the annex are attacked by a rocket-propelled grenade and small arms. Sporadic attacks continue for about another hour. The attacks stop at 1:01 a.m., and some assume the fight is over.

?1:15 a.m.: CIA reinforcements arrive on a 45-minute flight from Tripoli in a plane they’ve hastily chartered. The Tripoli team includes four GRS security officers, a CIA case officer and two U.S. military personnel on loan to the agency. They don’t leave the Benghazi airport until 4:30 a.m. The delay is caused by negotiations with Libyan authorities over permission to leave the airport; obtaining vehicles; and the need to frame a clear mission plan. The first idea is to go to a Benghazi hospital to recover Stevens, who they rightly suspect is already dead. (Also killed was a State Department communication specialist.) But the hospital is surrounded by the al-Qaeda-linked Ansar al-Sharia militia that mounted the consulate attack.

?5:04 a.m.: The team from Tripoli arrives at the CIA base. Glen Doherty, one of the GRS men from Tripoli, goes to the roof and joins Woods in firing positions.

?5:15 a.m.: A new Libyan assault begins, this time with mortars. Two rounds miss and the next three hit the roof. The rooftop defenders never “laser the mortars,” as has been reported. They don’t know the weapons are in place until the indirect fire begins, nor are the mortars observed by the drone overhead. The defenders have focused their laser sights earlier on several Libyan attackers, as warnings not to fire. At 5:26 the attack is over. Woods and Doherty are dead and two others are wounded.

?6 a.m.: Libyan forces from the military intelligence service finally arrive, now with 50 vehicles. They escort the Americans to the airport. A first group of 18, including two wounded, depart at 7 a.m. A second group of 12, plus the four dead, leave at 10 a.m. for Tripoli and then the long flight back to America.

A detailed CIA timeline of the assault on U.S. facilities in Benghazi paints an anguishing picture of embattled Americans waiting for Libyan security forces who didn’t come and courageous CIA officers who died on a rooftop without the heavy weapons they needed, trying to protect their colleagues below. There’s no evidence that the White House or CIA leadership deliberately delayed or impeded rescue efforts. http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/david-ignatius-cias-benghazi-ti
meline-reveals-errors-but-no-evidence-of-conspiracy/2012/11/01/a84c4024-2471-11e2-9313-3c7f59038d93_story.html


Bummer, Rap and FauxNews. However, I'll spare you the effort of a response: "It's all lies and cover-up to cover their asses!!!" There, took care of that for you, since we all know that's what you'll say.

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Friday, November 2, 2012 1:04 PM

M52NICKERSON

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Friday, November 2, 2012 1:15 PM

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Friday, November 2, 2012 1:58 PM

SIGNYM

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One of the things that most right-wingers don't understand is that the CIA is always part of an embassy, and usually part of a consulate. Embassies and consulates are not only "diplomatic". Another agency which provides cover for the CIA is USAID (not as benign as it sounds).

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Friday, November 2, 2012 2:25 PM

M52NICKERSON

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Well except for that part about the CIA Annex being a mile away for the consulate.

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Friday, November 2, 2012 6:14 PM

GEEZER

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Originally posted by Niki2:
Within 25 minutes of being alerted to the attack against the diplomatic mission, half a dozen C.I.A. officers raced there from their base about a mile away, enlisting the help of a handful of Libyan militia fighters as they went.



So things are getting slower.

40 years ago, the MACV compound in Hue had a quick reaction force that was ready to go in five minutes if Americans in the city were in danger. Pretty much the whole compound could grab gear and be ready to move in ten.

Sort'a sad that now the ex-Seal CIA officers who were in Libya to hunt down al Qaeda took almost half an hour to get off the mark.

Also sort'a sad that they apparently waited for Libyan militias to provide them with heavy weapons when they had apparently had .50 cal machine guns in their compound, since the officers who were later killed in mortar attacks were on the roof manning a Ma Deuce.

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Saturday, November 3, 2012 1:07 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


I was unaware that we now consider a 50-cal a "heavy weapon".

I can see the wisdom of trying to get vehicles with .50s on them, especially if you're going to be coming up behind an attacking force on your consulate. If you have .50s on your vehicle, and there's more .50s on the roof, you've got a much better opportunity to catch the attackers in the crossfire.



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Saturday, November 3, 2012 2:48 AM

GEEZER

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
I was unaware that we now consider a 50-cal a "heavy weapon".


Always been considered a heavy machine gun. Fires a bullet more than ten times heavier than an M-16 round at higher velocity. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M2_Browning_machine_gun

I've heard a couple of times on NPR was that the CIA officers only had their personal weapons and were told to wait for 'heavy weapons', identified specifically as .50 cals mounted on trucks. This was cited as the cause for the delay in response.

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I can see the wisdom of trying to get vehicles with .50s on them, especially if you're going to be coming up behind an attacking force on your consulate. If you have .50s on your vehicle, and there's more .50s on the roof, you've got a much better opportunity to catch the attackers in the crossfire.


You seem to be confusing the CIA annex, which did have a M2 on the roof, with the consulate, which did not.

I'd also point out that when the CIA team did get the go-ahead, they were able to move from the annex to the consulate, secure the survivors and the body of Smith, and return to the annex using just their personal weapons. If they'd gotten there 20 minutes sooner, could they have also saved Smith and Amb. Stevens?

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Saturday, November 3, 2012 3:15 AM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up


From another thread.

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Originally posted by Niki2:
Tit for tat got us where we are today. If we want to be grownups, we need to resist the ugliness. If we each did, this would be a better reflection on Firefly and a more welcome place. I will try.



Doesn't seem to be working out so well for you.

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Saturday, November 3, 2012 3:28 AM

JONGSSTRAW


"Resist the ugliness" ....Oh that...easier said than done. It's just an object, doesn't mean what you think. I'm sure once the election is over the "grownups" will return, and there will be ugliness resisting aplenty.

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Saturday, November 3, 2012 4:21 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


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I've heard a couple of times on NPR was that the CIA officers only had their personal weapons and were told to wait for 'heavy weapons',

....and, away we go again! The other one didn't work, so now something "new" with which to diss the response?

...where's that shocked face???
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Doesn't seem to be working out so well for you.

Oh, sweetie, I didn't realize you had to go all the way to another THREAD to copy that...next time you want to snark about it, just copy my signature, it's right there and has been since then.

As to it not working well, no, it's working quite well for me, thank you. I've returned to a fair semblance of civility and am attempting to make my points via logic and without ugliness. Never said we should all be saints or anything. Could you please point out anywhere in this thread where anyone has (yet) done the opposite of what that quote says? I'm assuming you'll pull something I wrote and use it as an example, but I'm also afraid that will fail, because neither I nor anyone else has written anything UGLY in this thread, certainly not for me.

Oh, maybe you misunderstood "tit for tat"? By that I meant those childish little "neener neener" flame wars you guys get into with one another, which I'm making a serious effort to not engage in anymore. As to refuting things, putting up facts and figures and snarking, if you think those aren't "grownup", you've never watched Daily Show, Colbert Report or ANY satire...it's called sarcasm.

Perhaps you'd like to be the one to sink back in the gutter yourself, tho', from your personal crack. Nobody here to stop you, if that's the way you want to go.

BFE Jong, you really think some kind of civility will return to those here who have enjoyed their I'll-call-you-worse-names-than-you-call-me games? Damn, I hope you're right. I will withhold predictions, myself, tho', if you don't mind. ;o)

Tit for tat got us where we are today. If we want to be grownups, we need to resist the ugliness. If we each did, this would be a better reflection on Firefly and a more welcome place. I will try.

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Saturday, November 3, 2012 4:02 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)








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"I was wrong" - Hero, 2012

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

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Sunday, November 4, 2012 2:50 AM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up


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Originally posted by Niki2:
Oh, maybe you misunderstood "tit for tat"? By that I meant those childish little "neener neener" flame wars you guys get into with one another...



You mean like, "OMIGawd, FauxNews, Romney and the others were WRONG about Benghazi!!!!"

Interesting that you're happy to win points because, while SecDef Panetta said the U.S. military was on high alert for trouble around Sept. 11, there were no units closer than Europe or the U.S. capable of responding to an attack in a country where there were both U.S. State Department staff and lots of al Qaeda and other jihadists.

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Sunday, November 4, 2012 6:32 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


PERSPECTIVE, dear one: A "neener, neener" title (of which I do damned few) isn't a flame war. Can you tell the difference?

Where you get the idea that I have any desire to "score" points, much less "win" them, I have no idea--or were you snarking at Mike?

...aaaand, I find it rather amusing that you call me to task for what you perceive as "tit for tat", then immediately follow it with your very own tit for tat!

Tit for tat got us where we are today. If we want to be grownups, we need to resist the ugliness. If we each did, this would be a better reflection on Firefly and a more welcome place. I will try.

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Sunday, November 4, 2012 7:59 AM

HERO


Quote:

Originally posted by Niki2:
A "neener, neener" title (of which I do damned few) isn't a flame war. Can you tell the difference?


I for one find this whole thread refreshing.

To see that you so respect the CIA as to take their account of the action on blind faith alone despite all the evidence to contrary or their complete failure to predict the attack or take any remedial action to alert the President to increase security before the attack or to make sure everyone was on the same page as to the exact nature of the attack or to find and help bring to justice those who committed the attack or to secure classified materials left at the consulate weeks after the attack...its just amazing.

After all these years of being critical of the CIA to see you finally realize that they truly are the all-knowing, all-seeing, selfless, nonpolitical, Defenders of Democracy that they are is truly heartwarming.

Hang on...I just took your name off the American watch list (please contribute $25 to Barrack Obama).

H

Hero...must be right on all of this. ALL of the rest of us are wrong. Chrisisall, 2012

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Sunday, November 4, 2012 8:01 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


And your impeccable source is .... ?

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Sunday, November 4, 2012 1:50 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by Geezer:
Quote:

Originally posted by Niki2:
Oh, maybe you misunderstood "tit for tat"? By that I meant those childish little "neener neener" flame wars you guys get into with one another...



You mean like, "OMIGawd, FauxNews, Romney and the others were WRONG about Benghazi!!!!"

Interesting that you're happy to win points because, while SecDef Panetta said the U.S. military was on high alert for trouble around Sept. 11, there were no units closer than Europe or the U.S. capable of responding to an attack in a country where there were both U.S. State Department staff and lots of al Qaeda and other jihadists.





Weren't you the one defending the Bush administration's lack of preparation for 9/11 on the basis that there were just too many "non-specific" threats and targets to really do anything about any of them?

The U.S. has hundreds of embassies and consulates around the world, with thousand or tens of thousands of employees. There are "al Qaeda and other jihadists" all over the globe.

Why do you seem so sure that this was the easily foreseeable threat, while 9/11/01 came out of the blue?

You seem to think a small group of people attacking a single location is somehow a more easily detected plot than 20 or more people hijacking a handful of commercial airliners and flying them into large buildings.

Tell us all again how unbiased and objective you are.





"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

"I was wrong" - Hero, 2012

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

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Sunday, November 4, 2012 1:52 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by Hero:
Quote:

Originally posted by Niki2:
A "neener, neener" title (of which I do damned few) isn't a flame war. Can you tell the difference?


I for one find this whole thread refreshing.

To see that you so respect the CIA as to take their account of the action on blind faith alone despite all the evidence to contrary or their complete failure to predict the attack or take any remedial action to alert the President to increase security before the attack or to make sure everyone was on the same page as to the exact nature of the attack or to find and help bring to justice those who committed the attack or to secure classified materials left at the consulate weeks after the attack...its just amazing.

After all these years of being critical of the CIA to see you finally realize that they truly are the all-knowing, all-seeing, selfless, nonpolitical, Defenders of Democracy that they are is truly heartwarming.

Hang on...I just took your name off the American watch list (please contribute $25 to Barrack Obama).




Likewise, after years of defending their intel as "a slam dunk", you now seem quite willing to concede their fallibility in these matters.

BTW, trying to get my name off a watch list will get your name put on just such a list.





"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

"I was wrong" - Hero, 2012

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

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Monday, November 5, 2012 4:24 AM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up


Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
The U.S. has hundreds of embassies and consulates around the world, with thousand or tens of thousands of employees. There are "al Qaeda and other jihadists" all over the globe.

Why do you seem so sure that this was the easily foreseeable threat, while 9/11/01 came out of the blue?

You seem to think a small group of people attacking a single location is somehow a more easily detected plot than 20 or more people hijacking a handful of commercial airliners and flying them into large buildings.



I don't know Mike. It doesn't seem that hard to me to figure out where an attack by a large force armed with AKs, RPGs and mortars would be likely to occur. Just look at where there are large groups of Jihadists who are armed with AKs, RPGs and mortars who recently have been using them.

Sure, there could be small suicide attacks at embassies anywhere, but local security would have a good chance of handling a handful of attackers. When you're talking about a big attack, though, there's only a few places that is likely - where there are both U.S. government civilian employees and freely moving heavily armed Jihadists. Most of these would be in North Africa or the Middle East.

Now SecDef Panetta has said the military was on heightened alert around the 9/11 date, so you'd expect that they would have quick reaction forces ready to go if there was a major attack. Per DOD the nearest forces capable of dealing with an attack as large as the one in Benghazi were in Europe and the U.S. http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/library/news/2012/11/mil-121102
-afps02.htm


If there was intelligence of large groups of heavily armed Jihadists running around in Europe or the U.S., you'd think someone would have mentioned it by now, but I haven't heard a peep. In places like Libya, however, everyone knows they are there, newly out from under control of the Quadaffi government and working in a de facto anarchy, along with lots of American civilians on hand to be attacked.

If the DOD and the Intelligence community couldn't put this together, then they don't seem to be doing a very good job.

I predict that, after the election, some middle-grade schlub who's about to retire anyway will get hung with the blame and forced into "early retirement". Also expect that Libya will eventually turn up the bodies of some poor anonymous folks who were in the wrong place at the wrong time so President Obama can claim to have brought the terrorists to justice.




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Monday, November 5, 2012 6:42 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:


I predict that, after the election, some middle-grade schlub who's about to retire anyway will get hung with the blame and forced into "early retirement". Also expect that Libya will eventually turn up the bodies of some poor anonymous folks who were in the wrong place at the wrong time so President Obama can claim to have brought the terrorists to justice.



I believe that is known in the GOP as "American Exceptionalism".



"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

"I was wrong" - Hero, 2012

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

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Monday, November 5, 2012 7:44 AM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up


Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
Quote:


I predict that, after the election, some middle-grade schlub who's about to retire anyway will get hung with the blame and forced into "early retirement". Also expect that Libya will eventually turn up the bodies of some poor anonymous folks who were in the wrong place at the wrong time so President Obama can claim to have brought the terrorists to justice.



I believe that is known in the GOP as "American Exceptionalism".



Well, lately it was known as the Obama administration's response to "Fast and Furious", except Mexico screwed up by taking the suspect in the Brian Terry shooting alive.

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