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Union thugs. Willing to fight freedom, at all cost.
Thursday, December 13, 2012 10:31 AM
ANTHONYT
Freedom is Important because People are Important
Quote: Wow. Baghdad Bob would be envious of these ridiculous attempts at spin.
Thursday, December 13, 2012 10:41 AM
NIKI2
Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...
Thursday, December 13, 2012 11:00 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Niki2: Could you clarify that remark for me, Anthony? I don't know whether you're being sarcastic or serious--as you say, "without context". ;o) Tit for tat got us where we are today. If we want to be grownups, we need to resist the ugliness. If we each did, this would be a better reflection on Firefly and a more welcome place. I will try.
Thursday, December 13, 2012 11:11 AM
Quote:One would imagine that Geezer and Raptor would be very anxious for the full context to be on display.
Thursday, December 13, 2012 11:28 AM
Quote:Steven Crowder went to Michigan in search of a stereotype. “I went out here to prove the left for who they truly are, certainly these union thugs,” Crowder told Fox’s Sean Hannity Tuesday night, a few hours after he was assaulted on camera outside the Michigan statehouse in Lansing. In a sense, he succeeded. He found union protesters and one of them clocked him in the face a few times. Crowder is a conservative standup comedian and Fox News contributor. He calls himself a social/political commentator, which is a highfalutin label for the level of commentary he offers. (“Liberalism is a disease,” his YouTube account explains.) As protests intensified in Lansing after the Michigan legislature’s passage of a pair of right-to-work bills, he waded into a crowd of angry union workers, asking them basic questions about why they opposed right-to-work legislation, according to the videos posted to the Internet. Crowder was trying to provoke the protesters — or, failing that, to make them look stupid if they couldn’t muster an eloquent response. He was trolling a bunch of angry people who had just lost a battle that could cost them a big chunk of their salary. He irritated the wrong guy and got hit in the face. Which isn’t to say he deserved what happened, or that there’s any excuse for violence. Crowder didn’t invite the punch or return it. But he certainly got what he wanted, which was evidence for the widespread conservative caricature that union members are thugs. (“Union thugs” yields 2.76 million hits on Google.) He got footage of a small group of union workers supporting a stereotype--threatening to shoot people, and so on. Ideologies and the protest movements they give rise to are easy to caricature, and caricatures serve a political purpose. Promoting the stereotype that union members are thuggish is the right’s way of demonizing a group they ideologically oppose. So when Crowder tells Hannity that he “never went out here to try and be assaulted,” he’s surely telling the truth. He probably never imagined his trolling would work quite so well. http://swampland.time.com/2012/12/12/a-punch-turns-political-in-michigan-labor-protests/
Thursday, December 13, 2012 11:48 AM
HERO
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: Yeah. I can see how anyone might think that, because of editing, we somehow missed the part where it became fully justified to use violence and tear down a tent which had folks inside of it.
Thursday, December 13, 2012 11:52 AM
STORYMARK
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: Oh yeah, like anyone really needs to STAGE violent protests from the Left in order to make them look bad ?
Thursday, December 13, 2012 11:53 AM
Quote:That is what liberalism is all about...raping people, hitting them, taking their things, tearing down their tents.
Thursday, December 13, 2012 6:20 PM
1KIKI
Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.
Friday, December 14, 2012 3:08 AM
GEEZER
Keep the Shiny side up
Quote:Originally posted by ANTHONYT: Are you asking me to cast the net of my imagination to see if I can conceive of a reason someone might legitimately take down a tent?
Friday, December 14, 2012 5:32 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Geezer: Quote:Originally posted by ANTHONYT: Are you asking me to cast the net of my imagination to see if I can conceive of a reason someone might legitimately take down a tent? Sure. Why not? Give me a reason why pro-union protesters would have a legitimate reason to tear down a tent set up by a right-to-work group that had a permit to put it up on state property. I'd be interested to see just how far down the rabbit hole you're planning to go.
Friday, December 14, 2012 5:40 AM
AURAPTOR
America loves a winner!
Friday, December 14, 2012 5:42 AM
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: Free speech is now seen as 'attacking' ? "False words are not only evil in themselves, but they infect the soul with evil." - Socrates " I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "
Friday, December 14, 2012 6:00 AM
Quote:Originally posted by 1kiki: First two or three seconds - the guy who 'threw the punch' is getting up off the ground after having been knocked down by someone - http://www.mediaite.com/tv/steven-crowder-opens-up-to-hannity-about-brawl-with-union-protestors-if-i-had-defended-myself-they-would-have-killed-me-where-i-stood/ Obviously he wasn't the first person to get physical.
Friday, December 14, 2012 6:09 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Storymark: Quote:Originally posted by 1kiki: First two or three seconds - the guy who 'threw the punch' is getting up off the ground after having been knocked down by someone - http://www.mediaite.com/tv/steven-crowder-opens-up-to-hannity-about-brawl-with-union-protestors-if-i-had-defended-myself-they-would-have-killed-me-where-i-stood/ Obviously he wasn't the first person to get physical. No, no, no! Now you're just denying (highly edited to misrepresnt facts so as to push a bullshit right-wing agenda) reality! Rappy said so! Excuse me while I soak in all these sweet, sweet conservative tears. "We will never have the elite, smart people on our side." -- Rick "Frothy" Santorum "Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"
Friday, December 14, 2012 6:31 AM
Friday, December 14, 2012 7:40 AM
SIGNYM
I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.
Quote:Oh yeah, like anyone really needs to STAGE violent protests from the Left in order to make them look bad ? Wow. Baghdad Bob would be envious of these ridiculous attempts at spin.
Friday, December 14, 2012 8:04 AM
Friday, December 14, 2012 8:07 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Niki2: Kiki, I watched that video several times. It appeared that the guy getting up off the ground went straight for Crowder once he was off the ground. I wonder why he went straight for Crowder, if Crowder wasn't the one who punched him?
Friday, December 14, 2012 8:11 AM
Quote:Originally posted by ANTHONYT: If the tent was being used as a base of operations for people who were attacking them, they might legitimately wish to take it down.
Friday, December 14, 2012 8:16 AM
Quote:Originally posted by ANTHONYT: Unfortunately, neither Raptor nor Geezer is interested in why those altercations are so highly edited. Nor even Why the assaulted cameraman failed to press charges.
Friday, December 14, 2012 8:25 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Geezer: Quote:Originally posted by ANTHONYT: If the tent was being used as a base of operations for people who were attacking them, they might legitimately wish to take it down. Any evidence of this?
Friday, December 14, 2012 8:29 AM
Friday, December 14, 2012 8:31 AM
Friday, December 14, 2012 8:39 PM
KWICKO
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Quote:Oh yeah, like anyone really needs to STAGE violent protests from the Left in order to make them look bad ? Wow. Baghdad Bob would be envious of these ridiculous attempts at spin. Yeah. Cause no one would get up in front of the UN and stage a bunch of photoshopped "WMD" sites. No one would "stage" an attack on an American destroyer in the Gulf of Tonkin, or gin up a horrible flow of drugs passing through Panama as a reason to invade, nor snipe innocent citizens in Venezuela in order to foment a crackdown. And nobody would EVER kick down their own tent and blame it on somebody else. Stuff like that would NEVER EVER happen!
Friday, December 14, 2012 8:49 PM
Quote: Any evidence of this?
Quote:And I've said anything about the 'assaulted cameraman' where?
Quote:Apparently, you'd rather play word games that address the problem of the violence at the Michigan State House.
Quote:I used to have some respect for you
Saturday, December 15, 2012 5:38 AM
Saturday, December 15, 2012 6:09 AM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: So rappy posts an opinion based on a highly edited video, and Geezer castigates anyone who dares ask for non-edited video. Ah yes, the dynamic duo at work. This thread: complete dud.
Saturday, December 15, 2012 6:14 AM
Saturday, December 15, 2012 6:55 AM
Saturday, December 15, 2012 7:03 AM
Quote: People familiar with conservative media videographers’ penchant for misleading edits immediately smelled a rat when the Crowder clip surfaced on Youtube, edited to show the fight already in progress. Excerpt from http://www.mediaite.com/tv/fox-news-contributor-steven -crowder-confirms-he-started-fight-with-union-protester/
Quote: Crowder says he actually did push the protesters: “We didn’t get violent with them,” Crowder said, “but we did try to push them off the tent. That is true. We tried to push them off the tent" Excerpt from http://www.mediaite.com/tv/fox-news-contributor-steven -crowder-confirms-he-started-fight-with-union-protester/
Quote: Although I've been reporting my suspicions (and other people's) about the truthfulness and integrity of Fox News contributor Steven Crowder's report of being assaulted by pro-union "thugs" at a Lansing, Michigan union protest of "right-to-work" legislation, Crowder's dishonesty is no longer in doubt. His video has been shown to be selectively edited and he has admitted pushing the man who later hit him (after pretending otherwise). On the night that Crowder first appeared for his lapdog interview with Sean Hannity, I wrote that there was something a little too James O'Keefe about Crowder that made me think he was not being honest about the "vicious attack" on him, caught and presented in an edited video, and which just happened to coincide with his virulently, Breitbart-esque anti-union, anti-left agenda. I became even more suspicious when, during the interview, Crowder admitted he had gone to the pro-union protest to make trouble. Still, he told Hannity his beating was “completely physically unprovoked.” The next night, in another Hannity segment, a guest accused Crowder of first pushing the man who later punched him - which Crowder, despite a series of dancing, diversionary responses, did not deny. However, Crowder did accuse that guest of being a liar after he made the allegation. Crowder could hardly have been less forthcoming or more deceptive about what happened. On the night of his second segment with Hannity, after the other guest had accused Crowder of pushing the union protester, Hannity said, "Wait a minute. Steven, you didn’t push anybody.” Crowder did not correct the record other than to say that Hannity had the "unedited tape." Fox deliberately inserted itself into this story and made it a big deal. Its viewers deserve a big "mea culpa" from them now - and a full airing of the unedited video and all the facts that are known. More at http://www.newshounds.us/it_s_official_fox_news_contributor_ steven_crowder_selectively_edited_his_video_and_lied_about_what_happened_12132012
Saturday, December 15, 2012 7:05 AM
Saturday, December 15, 2012 7:09 AM
Saturday, December 15, 2012 7:32 AM
Quote:At about 1:13, as the tent is coming down, Crowder comes over to the cameraman and waves him off as if to say, “that’s enough filming.” The reason for this becomes clear if you watch this longer, less edited version of the video. What they apparently don’t want you to see is union members using knives to cut the tent open to let people inside out. Rather, the message that is being sent by the conservative media and blogosphere is that the union members deliberately cut the tent to pieces in an act of malicious vandalism. As Matt Allen points out in his comments HERE, the union members actually ask, “Is everybody out?” and then proceed to make sure that they are. At 1:49 in the longer video, one union members notes that an AFP guy has a gun and brags that he’s “killed plenty of mother fuckers with a gun” (i.e., he’s killed people who were in possession of guns.) This is being played up as if a UNION MEMBER had a gun. Not true. There is no question in my mind that AFP and Fox employees set out to incite a huge crowd of very angry people....Crowder uses a technique of intentionally invading your personal space to make you uncomfortable and then peppers you with questions to make you angry. It is an intentional act to incite an angry response. The Capitol grounds were a tinderbox of angry folks and both AFP and Fox News tossed a lit match into it and then blamed the wood for catching fire.Excerpts from http://www.eclectablog.com/2012/12/fox-news-steven-crowder-americans-for-prosperity-use-breitbart-style-film-editing-to-show-union-thug-brutality.html
Saturday, December 15, 2012 7:39 AM
Saturday, December 15, 2012 7:45 AM
Quote:"...the man who was coming at me I think tripped over the tent peg, fell towards me, and that’s when I said ‘You assaulted me.’" http://www.forbes.com/sites/gregorymcneal/2012/12/14/what-did-steven-crowder-say-about-his-video-editing/
Saturday, December 15, 2012 7:47 AM
Saturday, December 15, 2012 5:16 PM
Saturday, December 15, 2012 6:54 PM
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: The day after the tragedy in CT, is anyone looking into that punk union guy's background ? Seriously, why isn't that guy in custody ?
Saturday, December 15, 2012 6:56 PM
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: Sorry, not a crock, Niki. They did pull down that tent. They did assault Crowder. Can't deny ANY of that.
Saturday, December 15, 2012 7:47 PM
JONGSSTRAW
Sunday, December 16, 2012 2:22 AM
Quote:Originally posted by 1kiki: And once again little Rappy shows us all how he's really just a three year old having a tantrum.
Sunday, December 16, 2012 2:25 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Kwicko: Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: The day after the tragedy in CT, is anyone looking into that punk union guy's background ? Seriously, why isn't that guy in custody ? "The only victims here were ... free speech." And you have no problem with that, it seems.
Sunday, December 16, 2012 2:30 AM
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