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Benghazi: A Damning Report

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Thursday, December 20, 2012 4:19 AM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up


BBC's words, not mine.

Quote:

A senior US security official has quit and three others are suspended after a damning report into a deadly attack on a US mission in Benghazi.

The state department said diplomatic security chief Eric Boswell resigned and three other unnamed officials had been put on administrative leave.

US envoy to Libya Christopher Stevens and three other officials were killed in the attack on 11 September.

An internal report said "grossly inadequate" security led to the deaths.

However, the report did not suggest disciplinary action be taken against any individuals.

Political fallout

"The Accountability Review Board identified the performance of four officials, three in the Bureau of the Diplomatic Security and one in the Bureau of Near East Asia Affairs," state department spokeswoman Victoria Nuland said in a statement.

"The secretary has accepted Eric Boswell's decision to resign... The other three individuals have been relieved of their current duties."

US media have named one of Mr Boswell's deputies, Charlene Lamb, and Raymond Maxwell, deputy assistant secretary for the Maghreb, among those relieved of their duties.

...

Benghazi report: Key findings
There were "systematic failures at senior levels" within two bureaus of the state department, but no individual official ignored their duties
Reliance on armed "but poorly skilled" local militiamen and contract guards was "misplaced"
US personnel had "performed with courage and readiness to risk their lives to protect their colleagues in a near-impossible situation"
There was "no immediate, specific" intelligence about the 11 September attack or threats to the consulate
The Libyan government's response to the attack was "profoundly lacking"



http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-20787086

Pretty much as predicted. Throw a few folks who are probably ready to retire under the bus, and hope everyone forgets.

I have to admit, I particularly like the concept that there were "systematic failures at senior levels" but no one ignored their duties. "Mistakes were made", perhaps?

I do have to give props to the Accountability Board for one thing. The first words in the report are a quote from George Santayana, "Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it".

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Thursday, December 20, 2012 5:11 AM

BYTEMITE


Yeah. I might not think this is a conspiracy, but the government really did screw up on this one.

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Thursday, December 20, 2012 5:50 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Lots of blame, but no one @ fault.

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Thursday, December 20, 2012 6:10 AM

STORYMARK


Much like the Bush years...




Excuse me while I soak in all these sweet, sweet conservative tears.

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Thursday, December 20, 2012 6:28 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by Storymark:
Much like the Bush years...




Obsess much ?

Can't address the current issue, for some reason, huh ?

"False words are not only evil in themselves, but they infect the soul with evil." - Socrates

" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Thursday, December 20, 2012 5:18 PM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up


Okay.

So, but for the usual "But Bush..." the Obama/Hillary/Susan Rice supporters have no comment?


"When your heart breaks, you choose what to fill the cracks with. Love or hate. But hate won't ever heal. Only love can do that."

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Thursday, December 20, 2012 5:40 PM

JONGSSTRAW


"The Immaculate Concussion".....Laura Ingraham speaking about Hillary's absence from today's Senate hearing.





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Friday, December 21, 2012 4:32 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by Geezer:
Okay.

So, but for the usual "But Bush..." the Obama/Hillary/Susan Rice supporters have no comment?




Pretty common for those folks. When they can't deny, debate or in any way respond to the specifics of a situation like this, they vanish. It's really remarkable to see. Things like this, or Obama's expanding the powers which got Bush vilified to no end, or any number of issues, which don't follow the template of how the Left views the world, gets ignored. It's like a communal game of ' Where's the baby? ', as they simply hide their eyes to reality, and that makes all the stuff they don't want to see, just go away. Doesn't exist, and if it's not there, then they don't have to comment on it.

Problem solved.



Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

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Friday, December 21, 2012 6:26 AM

STORYMARK


Fucking hilarious complaint coming from the guys who spent the last decade going "but Clinton."

As to why the lack of comments - it was a big fuck up, yes. I think everyone has aknowlegded this. We're just not obsessing over it like the Fox Faithful.




Excuse me while I soak in all these sweet, sweet conservative tears.

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Friday, December 21, 2012 6:29 AM

ANTHONYT

Freedom is Important because People are Important


Hello,

Byte probably said it best.

Quote:

Yeah. I might not think this is a conspiracy, but the government really did screw up on this one.


--Anthony

Note to Self:
Raptor - woman testifying about birth control is a slut (the term applies.)
Context: http://tinyurl.com/d6ozfej
Six - Wow, isn't Niki quite the CUNT? And, yes, I spell that in all caps....
http://tinyurl.com/bdjgbpe
Wulf - Niki is a stupid fucking bitch who should hurry up and die.
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“The stupid neither forgive nor forget; the naive forgive and forget; the wise forgive but do not forget.” -T. S. Szasz

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Friday, December 21, 2012 6:31 AM

STORYMARK


Quote:

Originally posted by AnthonyT:
Hello,

Byte probably said it best.

Quote:

Yeah. I might not think this is a conspiracy, but the government really did screw up on this one.


--Anthony

Note to Self:
Raptor - woman testifying about birth control is a slut (the term applies.)
Context: http://tinyurl.com/d6ozfej
Six - Wow, isn't Niki quite the CUNT? And, yes, I spell that in all caps....
http://tinyurl.com/bdjgbpe
Wulf - Niki is a stupid fucking bitch who should hurry up and die.
Context: http://tinyurl.com/afve3r9

“The stupid neither forgive nor forget; the naive forgive and forget; the wise forgive but do not forget.” -T. S. Szasz



Yup.

Of course, when one is desperate for something to trump up into the next "whatever-gate," such notions are far too moderate.




Excuse me while I soak in all these sweet, sweet conservative tears.

"We will never have the elite, smart people on our side." -- Rick "Frothy" Santorum

"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

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Friday, December 21, 2012 10:23 AM

DREAMTROVE


Quote:

Storymark
Much like the Bush years...



Is story confessing that Obama is pretty much just like Bush?


ETA: Bittersweet for the left when one socialist hero takes down another. You guys actually could have convinced me that Qaddafi had a point, had you but tried.


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Friday, December 21, 2012 10:30 AM

STORYMARK


Quote:

Originally posted by DREAMTROVE:
Quote:

Storymark
Much like the Bush years...



Is story confessing that Obama is pretty much just like Bush?



Just pointing out that the same douchebags who think the Admin needs to be brought down over 4 deaths felt there should be no accountability for 3000 deats under the previous admin.





Excuse me while I soak in all these sweet, sweet conservative tears.

"We will never have the elite, smart people on our side." -- Rick "Frothy" Santorum

"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

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Friday, December 21, 2012 11:00 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by Storymark:
Quote:

Originally posted by DREAMTROVE:
Quote:

Storymark
Much like the Bush years...



Is story confessing that Obama is pretty much just like Bush?



Just pointing out that the same douchebags who think the Admin needs to be brought down over 4 deaths felt there should be no accountability for 3000 deats under the previous admin.



Yeah, I still don't know why Jamie Gorelick didn't get put on the chopping block for her role in keeping info from passing freely from one agency to another. How did DC decide to deal with her idiocy and incompetence ? By putting her ON the gorram 9-11 Commission! The insiders take care of their own.

But aside from that, Bush didn't LIE about 9-11 ( enter PN and his 10 pages worth of fantasy )

Obama's admin DID lie.

"False words are not only evil in themselves, but they infect the soul with evil." - Socrates

" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Friday, December 21, 2012 11:11 AM

M52NICKERSON

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Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Obama's admin DID lie.



More caps and it might make it true!

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Friday, December 21, 2012 11:42 AM

JONGSSTRAW


Since the election trouncing, I honestly have NO interest in this story. Only its potential election influence was important. Republicans had a shitty candidate who picked a shitty vp candidate, and neither of them could articulate a whimper against Obama about it. The election can't be undone now.






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Friday, December 21, 2012 11:45 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by m52nickerson:
Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Obama's admin DID lie.



More caps and it might make it true!



Caps or no caps, it's true. Read the gorram report. There was nothing about the video that was , in any way, connected to the attacks.

I know it pains you to know that your Messiah is a liar, but hell, deal w/ it.

"False words are not only evil in themselves, but they infect the soul with evil." - Socrates

" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Saturday, December 22, 2012 7:08 PM

DREAMTROVE


The situation in Benghazi is a symbol of the collosal fuckup that is our Libyan operation. As one of our CIA guys put it, our CIA guys were backing a group whose actual name in arabic translated as "Blacks out of Libya."

Anyway, we kill 30,000+ people in Libya, not just 4.

The other thing about Benghazi was the blatant lying. Very much like Bush, with the blatant lying. It's just all the suckers who punched a button for one or the other got emotionally invested in defending them, as if just because they pushed a button in a voting booth with the guys name on it that they were somehow responsible for everything that schmuck did.

The powers plays us like hexbug battlebots.

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Sunday, December 23, 2012 12:11 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Quote:

Originally posted by BYTEMITE:
Yeah. I might not think this is a conspiracy, but the government really did screw up on this one.


Amen Byte. Says it all.

Let's not forget, while tossing blame around all over the place, that the Republicans cut the budget for security:
Quote:

Rep. Jason Chaffetz (R-UT) said today that he voted to cut funding for U.S. embassy security amid political attacks from Republicans that the Obama administration did not do enough to secure the U.S. diplomatic mission in Benghazi, Libya that was attacked last month.
Quote:

O’BRIEN: Is it true that you voted to cut the funding for embassy security?

CHAFFETZ: Absolutely. Look, we have to make priorities and choices in this country. We have — think about this — 15,000 contractors in Iraq. We have more than 6,000 ....And we’re talking about can we get two dozen or so people into Libya to help protect our forces? When you’re in tough economic times, you have to make difficult choices how to prioritize this.


For fiscal 2013, the GOP-controlled House proposed spending $1.934 billion for the State Department’s Worldwide Security Protection program — well below the $2.15?billion requested by the Obama administration. House Republicans cut the administration’s request for embassy security funding by $128 million in fiscal 2011 and $331 million in fiscal 2012. (Negotiations with the Democrat-controlled Senate restored about $88 million of the administration’s request.) Last year, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton warned that Republicans’ proposed cuts to her department would be “detrimental to America’s national security” — a charge Republicans rejected.

[GOP vice presidential nominee Paul] Ryan, [Rep. Darrell] Issa and other House Republicans voted for an amendment in 2009 to cut $1.2 billion from State operations, including funds for 300 more diplomatic security positions. Under Ryan’s budget, non-defense discretionary spending, which includes State Department funding, would be slashed nearly 20 percent in 2014, which would translate to more than $400 million in additional cuts to embassy security. More at http://thinkprogress.org/security/2012/10/10/985191/chaffetz-absolutel
y-funding-embassy-security/
]
So unquestionably, yes, the government screwed up; but let's try to keep things in perspective (that's a laugh...). The GOVERNMENT screwed up; there's plenty of blame to go around on both sides.

Oh, by the way, I just spotted this:
Quote:

Among the recommendations of a highly anticipated State Department report on preventing future failures akin to the ones leading up to the Sept. 11 attack on a diplomatic mission in Benghazi, Libya, many share a common thread: restoring GOP cuts to State’s budget. More at http://thinkprogress.org/security/2012/12/20/1366171/benghazi-review-r
estore-gop-cuts/



Tit for tat got us where we are today. If we want to be grownups, we need to resist the ugliness. If we each did, this would be a better reflection on Firefly and a more welcome place. I will try.

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Sunday, December 23, 2012 3:14 PM

FREMDFIRMA


Quote:

Originally posted by DREAMTROVE:
The situation in Benghazi is a symbol of the collosal fuckup that is our Libyan operation. As one of our CIA guys put it, our CIA guys were backing a group whose actual name in arabic translated as "Blacks out of Libya."

Anyway, we kill 30,000+ people in Libya, not just 4.

The other thing about Benghazi was the blatant lying. Very much like Bush, with the blatant lying. It's just all the suckers who punched a button for one or the other got emotionally invested in defending them, as if just because they pushed a button in a voting booth with the guys name on it that they were somehow responsible for everything that schmuck did.

The powers plays us like hexbug battlebots.


*holds up one finger*

Ummm, I specifically DO recall someone here mentioning the best idea was not to get involved in the first place, and that doing so would cause an epic clusterfuck - wonder who that was...

Just sayin,

-F

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Monday, December 24, 2012 3:02 PM

DREAMTROVE


Frem

I suspect a couple of us said it. And more than one of us probably mentioned that so called arab spring was no kind of grass roots revolution of freedom but was a major multinational covert ops coup run by the same old crowd of cia, jsoc, and blackwater et al. And you know who.

Speaking of which: my new favorite ackronym: FUKUS.

This is the russian name for us now, its France+United Kingdom+United States. Some russians sites suggest another partner who is silent.

Meanwhile were making a mess of Syria, like Libya, Egypt, Yemen, Pakistan, Afghanistan and Iraq, and I heard we were fiting in Uzbekistan, and also Turkmenistan, with brinksman confrkntations in three other stans, to say nothing of Iran of course.

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Monday, December 24, 2012 3:02 PM

DREAMTROVE


Double post

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Monday, December 24, 2012 10:39 PM

PIRATENEWS

John Lee, conspiracy therapist at Hollywood award-winner History Channel-mocked SNL-spoofed PirateNew.org wooHOO!!!!!!



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