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Monday, December 24, 2012 8:54 AM

WULFENSTAR

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg


http://abcnews.go.com/US/firefighters-shot-killed-trap-webster-ny-blaz
e/story?id=18055594#.UNijbeTAcoO


Yeah. There are evil things (I refuse to call them human) in this world.

But tell me again how being disarmed will fix everything.


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Monday, December 24, 2012 9:03 AM

M52NICKERSON

DALEK!


Quote:

Originally posted by WULFENSTAR:
http://abcnews.go.com/US/firefighters-shot-killed-trap-webster-ny-blaz
e/story?id=18055594#.UNijbeTAcoO


Yeah. There are evil things (I refuse to call them human) in this world.

But tell me again how being disarmed will fix everything.




Explain to me how you being armed would have stopped this...oh that is right it didn't.

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Monday, December 24, 2012 12:52 PM

OLDENGLANDDRY


Because you, as a nation, refuse to attempt to live without the recourse of weapons as a daily panacea, you have become a nation of potential murderers.
Maybe, oneday, when you have all succeeded in killing eachother, you will leave the rest of us in peace.

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Monday, December 24, 2012 3:11 PM

DREAMTROVE


Heard about that because tis local news here, very disturbing. There was some rumor that he blamed the fire dept for failing to save someone, but whatever the reason, his fire has now destroyed seven homes as well.

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Tuesday, December 25, 2012 7:27 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Oldengland, I sympathize...and agree to a point. Thing is, there are a lot of us caught in the middle of this thing who are just regular folk, but we haven't the power to do anything about it. Too many monied forces ranged against us.

SO...
Quote:

A man who served nearly 17 years in jail for killing his grandmother set a house and car on fire this morning in upstate New York and then began shooting at emergency personnel who showed up, killing two firefighters, police said.

In all, William Spengler, 62, shot four firefighters, killing two and severely injuring two more after setting his "trap," police said.

An off-duty police officer from Greece, N.Y., who responded to the scene early in the morning of Christmas Eve also was injured today.

"It was a trap," said Webster, N.Y., Police Chief Gerald L. Pickering, "set by Mr. Spengler who laid in wait and shot first responders."

Spengler, who was released from prison in 1998, was found dead at the scene following a shootout with police. He was believed to have killed himself with a bullet to the head.


So gosh, someone TRAINED and with a gun wasn't able to stop it...huh!

What now, you want armed guards to ride with every fire engine? I'm sure that's what the NRA thinks we should do...

We ARE on our way to self-destruction, with this mentality that a gun cures all ills.

Tit for tat got us where we are today. If we want to be grownups, we need to resist the ugliness. If we each did, this would be a better reflection on Firefly and a more welcome place. I will try.

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Tuesday, December 25, 2012 7:41 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Hey, I know that stretch of road! Been on it many times; it's the narrow strip of land separating Irondequoit Bay from Lake Ontario. It was very scenic, altho less so now with seven gutted homes.

So, my second thought was: How did a guy with a record of homicide get a gun in the first place???

Yanno, when I was visiting upstate NY just a month ago, there was a huge scandal about how guns are sold at gun shows without background checks or licensing. A reporter went in to buy a gun, claiming he was having problems with his ex and didn't want to go through the check. More vendors than not were willing to sell him a gun "off the books" if he came back after the show, or went off to a more private area.

I'm sure people in that area will remember and put two and two together, because....

You reap what you sow.

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Tuesday, December 25, 2012 9:22 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Yup, that's one of the things I think MOST should be fixed; the fact that people can buy guns at a gun show without a background check. It's ridiculous.

No semi-autos or autos; no high-capacity magazines; no sales at gun shows w/o background checks. Why are these three things so completely unacceptable to gun owners? Yeah, I know all the arguments that will be made, but it shows the madness of gun ownership that they even CAN be made, in my opinion!

Nobody is safe any more, not our children, not our first responders, nobody. The country has gone mad...and it will only get worse.

Tit for tat got us where we are today. If we want to be grownups, we need to resist the ugliness. If we each did, this would be a better reflection on Firefly and a more welcome place. I will try.

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Tuesday, December 25, 2012 1:29 PM

WULFENSTAR

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg


I'm going to step in here.

As, I unfortunately, have a bit of experience in this matter.

When there is a shooting, 911 is called. Depending on who is closest in the area, either a fire crew, or an ambulance, is dispatched first.

Generally, a fire crew will have a medic on board. If the ambulance crew in the area is engaged, the fire crew will respond first. With the ambo crew coming as soon as they can.

NOW. When there is a shooting... all responders are put in "staging". This means that the firetruck and/or the ambo are staged about 2 blocks from the scene. The police go in, clear the scene and then give the "all clear".

HOWEVER.

This does not apply to fires. Or Domestics. Or ODs. Or any of the million other things that you stupid fucktards get yourselves into. Just shootings. MAYBE stabbings.

SO, us idiots will still rush in to save your sorry selves.

YET, and this happend to a crew in my house... sometimes evil bastards just want to hurt us. Like setting a new McMansion on fire... and cutting a hole from the first floor to the basement, while covering it with a rug. They rush in, trying to find the fire, and poof... 2 guys drop 12 feet. Considering they are carrying about 80 lbs of gear... yeah. Broken bones, distress calls... etc.

OR, dropping a half-dead body from your little turf war in the middle of the street... and when we get there, jump out with our black bags trying to save the guy lying in the street, shooting us.

Or hey, we get called on some domestic... po-po is off writing a wromg-way ticket, and lookeelookee.. crackwhores boyfriend just decided he want to start stabbing all of us! YAY! Good times. Maybe he wants to pull his Glock?

Sure, we've got our irons, and they can do some damage. But... they dont stand a chance against someone with a gun.

SO, do I support the Fire Chief saying every truck and shit-box should have at least a shotgun? Hell yeah.



"None of you seem to understand. I'm not locked in here with you... YOU are locked in here with ME."

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Tuesday, December 25, 2012 4:37 PM

KPO

Sometimes you own the libs. Sometimes, the libs own you.


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SO, do I support the Fire Chief saying every truck and shit-box should have at least a shotgun? Hell yeah.

Even then, you're expecting a fire and you're ambushed by a guy with an assault rifle... Good luck to you. Chances are you won't even get to your shotgun.

It's not personal. It's just war.

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Tuesday, December 25, 2012 8:47 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


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This does not apply to fires. Or Domestics. Or ODs. Or any of the million other things that you stupid fucktards get yourselves into. Just shootings. MAYBE stabbings.
I doubt there are any stupid fucktards like that here in the forum. Generalize much?

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Wednesday, December 26, 2012 9:05 AM

WULFENSTAR

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg


"Even then, you're expecting a fire and you're ambushed by a guy with an assault rifle... Good luck to you. Chances are you won't even get to your shotgun."

Granted. But its something, anything.

Also, idiot, the term "assault rifle" is a bullshit gun-controller term for a semi-auto.

"None of you seem to understand. I'm not locked in here with you... YOU are locked in here with ME."

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Wednesday, December 26, 2012 9:30 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Ahhh, but Sig, everyone else in the world is a "stupid fucktard" to Wulf, because he is the hero of us all, don't you see? He's the only one who knows what's right, he's the only one who has the answer to all life's conundrums. And he's the one who will pull all our asses out of the fire--or whatever.

So. Now we're not only to arm all teachers, but arm all teams of firemen, too. Anybody wanna place a bet on how long it takes Wulf and those like hikm to want to arm movie theater ushers, office supervisors, postal clerks, parking-lot attendants--mall cops, it goes without saying--etc., etc.? Because after all, there were mass shootings at THOSE, too, right?

Because "something", even tho' he actually admits it wouldn't work, is better than nothing. Arming people is the only "something" possible--everything else is "nothing", get it?

First, teachers. Now, firemen. It's only a matter of time before those like Wulf want EVERYBODY armed, which of course the NRA, representing nothing but gun manufacturers, will jump for joy and giggle like little girls.

Also, idiot, the term "assault rifle" is the common vernacular for a semi-automatic weapon. Only gun-bunnies like you need to speak in "gun talk"; the average person understands perfectly what assault rifle means.


Tit for tat got us where we are today. If we want to be grownups, we need to resist the ugliness. If we each did, this would be a better reflection on Firefly and a more welcome place. I will try.

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Wednesday, December 26, 2012 9:45 AM

JONGSSTRAW



He's a little teapot
Short and stout
Wulf is his handle
Watch how he spouts

When he gets all steamed up
Hear him shout
"Tip me over you fucktards
and pour my boiling rage out!"

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Wednesday, December 26, 2012 10:00 AM

WULFENSTAR

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg


Well, Niki,

If the Constitution were followed... and we didnt have to constantly fight people like you for our rights...

ANY man, or woman, could (and would) be armed. Imagine if a couple of teachers had legally been armed? Or a few patrons at the movies.

But no. gun control works... it must! Gun free zones are safe havens for people and keep criminals away!

Like I said before... I was on the fence about gun-free zones. Is the cost of being caught carrying in one of these places worth it?

Fuck it. Yes it is.

Because the cost of obeying you gun-control freaks could be the lives of my family, or myself.

And really, you arn't worth even one drop of their blood, or mine.

"None of you seem to understand. I'm not locked in here with you... YOU are locked in here with ME."

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Thursday, December 27, 2012 7:30 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Good one, Jong.

Just to lay to rest the argument, which I'm sure has been used at one time or another (I haven't read all the gun threads, I gave up a while ago), that Israel and Switzerland have lots of guns and are so peaceful, "so...", I offer the following:
Quote:

With universal military service and seemingly ubiquitous firearms, Israel and Switzerland seem heroic. In these countries, many think, the teacher really could have shot the murderer. The argument runs like this: Both Israel and Switzerland have high rates of gun ownership and low rates of gun violence. Ergo, gun control is not the answer.

Conservative commentator Thomas Sowell used this trusty comparison again today when decrying the "shrill ignorance of ‘gun control' advocates." "Gun ownership has been three times as high in Switzerland as in Germany, but the Swiss have had lower murder rates," he wrote, going on to name Israel as another country with "high rates of gun ownership and low murder rates."

Predictably, he's not telling the whole story. Switzerland has tight gun control laws -- and so does Israel. Here are five facts that Americans should know about the role guns play in self-defense in the United States, Switzerland, and Israel.

The self-defense fallacy

In all three countries, self-defensive gun use is rare. Guns are six times more likely to be used against members of a household than against intruders, according to nationwide telephonic surveys. (Nonlethal weapons such as baseball bats are 12 times more likely to be used against intruders than guns.) And guns are 10 times more likely to be used by criminals than against them. Moreover, the use of firearms for self defense is almost certainly over-reported. More than 1 million Americans each year claim to have shot criminals. If this were true, the nation's emergency rooms would be filled with nothing but foiled criminals, because over 90 percent of criminals who are shot end up in the hospital.

Those who see firearms as vital for self-defense also often conflate military and civilian use. Jeanne Assam managed to halt a mass-casualty shooting at a mega-church in Colorado in 2007, but it turned out she was a former police officer who had been hired for security. Likewise, terrorist attacks in Israel have been stopped by off-duty soldiers using service weapons. Indeed, of the cases I have reviewed where Israeli or Swiss civilians supposedly used guns to prevent casualties, all involved off-duty or former soldiers or police, or went wrong when a civilian shot at someone who was not a terrorist.

Fewer guns than you think

Despite universal military service, Israel and Switzerland have substantially fewer guns than the United States. When you include illegal guns, the United States has about one gun per person, Switzerland has half a gun per person, and Israel has 0.07 guns per person, according to the Small Arms Survey. Half of American households have a firearm, whereas only 30 percent of all Swiss households do, and most of those are army guns, according to my analysis of the International Crime Victimization Survey (ICVS). The percentage of Swiss households that report owning guns for self-protection is in the single digits. (Israeli firearm data is not available through ICVS, but the percentage of households with a gun must be in the low single digits, given the Small Arms Survey estimate of 0.07 guns per person.)

A privilege, not a right

Both Israel and Switzerland put the onus on would-be gun owners to explain why they need these weapons. Israel limits gun ownership to security workers, people who transport valuables or explosives, residents of the West Bank, and hunters. People who don't fall into one of those categories cannot obtain a firearm permit. Moreover, Israel rejects 40 percent of firearm permit applicants, the highest rejection rate in the Western world. Both Switzerland and Israel require yearly (or more frequent) permit renewals to insure that the reasons are still applicable. New Jersey is one of few U.S. states that requires a reason for buying a handgun.

Far from being a gun paradise, Switzerland is one of only six countries in the world that requires comprehensive details of the firearm, owner, and all firearm transfers to be reported to the federal government. It also requires two levels of firearm permits: one for acquisition and one for possession. U.S. states vary in their gun-control stricture, but many don't even require a permit to purchase a gun, and 34 U.S. states have only minimal requirements for concealed carry permits. Statistical analyses show that these "shall-issue" states have higher rates of homicide.

Strict and getting stricter

As stringent as Israel and Switzerland are, these countries are getting stricter. It took just one mass shooting 11 years ago in Switzerland to boost public support for gun control. Despite universal male service in the army reserves, only a quarter of Swiss households keep an army gun at home. Reserve members in many francophone cantons store their weapons in unit arsenals and town weapons depots rather than in their homes. German-speaking cantons still resist storing weapons in centralized depots, but they may pay the price in greater suicides with army weapons: Epidemiologic studies find that the cantons with lower household gun ownership have lower rates of firearm suicide and homicide-suicide.

Israel, too, required soldiers to leave their weapons on base during weekend leave as part of an effort to curb military suicides that began in 2006. Since the regulations were introduced, there has been a 40 percent reduction in the weekend suicide rate, while the weekday rate remained flat. Soldiers planning to commit suicide on weekend leave were apparently thwarted by their lack of firearm access, but by the time they returned to the base, the impulse had passed, reinforcing the public health literature that suggests that reducing firearm access reduces suicide rates.

Leave it to the pros

More than 15 percent of U.S. households report owning a gun for self-defense purposes, compared with only about 3 percent of Swiss households, according to my analysis of ICVS data. Unlike Switzerland, Israel has well-known security concerns, but it limits security to the professionals. Universal army service entrusts every 18-21 year old soldier with a gun, but only lieutenant colonels and above can own guns after their service ends. Schools employ armed commercial security guards, but teachers haven't carried guns since the 1970s. Since its founding, Israel has had a Civil Guard that employs civilian volunteers, in part, to fight terrorism. Such an effort would seem to be an opening for civilian gun ownership, but volunteers in Israel's Civil Guard are only entitled to a gun permit after 5 years of service. The country's security policies are designed to keep amateurs from carrying guns in the street -- even amateurs who have served 3 years in the army.

The bottom line

Gun advocates often laud the wise and mature gun culture that prevails in Israel and Switzerland, calling for the United States to follow these countries in promoting civilian firearm access for self-protection. But they're praising a fictional version of these countries. The real Israel and Switzerland have few guns and a great many restrictions on them -- and the United States would be wise to follow their example. http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2012/12/18/a_league_of_our_own?p
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Thursday, December 27, 2012 7:52 AM

WULFENSTAR

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg


The difference between gun-control freaks, and pro-gun citizens is so vast as to be hilarious.

However.

Pro-gun citizens are not trying to FORCE you to own a gun.

Gun-control freaks are trying, by FORCE, to take away one of your inherent rights.

Big difference.


"Sure. I'll register, turn-in, give up, my guns. One bullet at a time."


"None of you seem to understand. I'm not locked in here with you... YOU are locked in here with ME."

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Thursday, December 27, 2012 9:12 AM

M52NICKERSON

DALEK!


Quote:

Originally posted by WULFENSTAR:
Well, Niki,

If the Constitution were followed... and we didnt have to constantly fight people like you for our rights...

ANY man, or woman, could (and would) be armed. Imagine if a couple of teachers had legally been armed? Or a few patrons at the movies.

But no. gun control works... it must! Gun free zones are safe havens for people and keep criminals away!

Like I said before... I was on the fence about gun-free zones. Is the cost of being caught carrying in one of these places worth it?

Fuck it. Yes it is.

Because the cost of obeying you gun-control freaks could be the lives of my family, or myself.

And really, you arn't worth even one drop of their blood, or mine.

"None of you seem to understand. I'm not locked in here with you... YOU are locked in here with ME."



You should understand that gun-free zone have as much or more to do with general safety as they do with laws for prosecution. It is far more likely a person is killed by a gun on accident that a purposeful shooting.

Putting more guns in schools or anywhere will mean more people killed.

As far as your rights, well the constitution can be changed also the United States Supreme Court rules against outright bans, but not against limitations.


I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.
A warning to everyone, AURaptor is a known liar.
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Thursday, December 27, 2012 10:02 AM

WULFENSTAR

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg


Really.

REALLY?!

Gun free zones work?!

Ok, you are too stupid to talk to.

"None of you seem to understand. I'm not locked in here with you... YOU are locked in here with ME."

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Thursday, December 27, 2012 10:41 AM

KPO

Sometimes you own the libs. Sometimes, the libs own you.


Quote:

REALLY?!

Gun free zones work?!

Ok, you are too stupid to talk to.


You completely fail to grasp Nick's point - and he's the stupid one?

It's not personal. It's just war.

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Friday, December 28, 2012 6:17 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Quote:

You completely fail to grasp Nick's point
Just Nick's point? I think he fails to grasp a bit more than that...like almost ANYTHING!

Note how people who would like some MINIMAL gun restrictions are "gun-control freaks", while people who want NO restrictions whatsoever are "pro-gun citizens". But he tries to see the good in everyone, right?

Does anything else need be said?


Tit for tat got us where we are today. If we want to be grownups, we need to resist the ugliness. If we each did, this would be a better reflection on Firefly and a more welcome place. I will try.

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Friday, December 28, 2012 10:33 AM

WULFENSTAR

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg


Ok.

How about this.

You are granted by the first amendment to speak what is on your mind.

But.

You can't say more than 10 words in public.

Certain topics are verbotten.

If you want to be a writer, you have to subjugate yourself to government scrutiny, If what you write is not politically correct, you are not allowed to publish it.

You may only use certain instruments to write.

The internet is finished... ok, we'll be nice. Its regulated.

"Oh but words never killed anyone!" Tell it to every dictator who gave the word to commit genocide.









"None of you seem to understand. I'm not locked in here with you... YOU are locked in here with ME."

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Saturday, December 29, 2012 9:29 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by WULFENSTAR:

Because the cost of obeying you gun-control freaks could be the lives of my family, or myself.

And really, you arn't worth even one drop of their blood, or mine.





And this is why I know you're full of shit when you claim to be part of a VFD, because you don't deem any other person "worth even one drop" of your blood, so you won't do a thing to ever help. And, as I've pointed out before, your own cowardice has been borne out more than once for all to see.



"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

"I was wrong" - Hero, 2012

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

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Saturday, December 29, 2012 9:32 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by WULFENSTAR:
Ok.

How about this.

You are granted by the first amendment to speak what is on your mind.

But.

You can't say more than 10 words in public.

Certain topics are verbotten.



Like yelling "FIRE!" in a crowded theater, you mean?

Quote:



"Oh but words never killed anyone!" Tell it to every dictator who gave the word to commit genocide.




And how were those genocides then carried out? With words? With hammers? Pencils?



"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

"I was wrong" - Hero, 2012

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

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Saturday, December 29, 2012 9:50 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


"So. Now we're not only to arm all teachers, but arm all teams of firemen, too."

Also, Sikh temples, movie theaters, outdoor gatherings, street corners and so on. Because that's so much better than keeping guns out of the hands of nutcases.

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Saturday, December 29, 2012 10:34 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


NRA says we need armed guards at every school. Heck, just imagine if we had armed government guards at every public place, just in case - and lots of them, to ensure peace and "safety". Why, I bet there's hardly any street crime in North Korea!

Clearly the only way to safeguard our freedom and liberty is to be more like China and North Korea. That is pretty much the NRA and GOP stance on this issue. (Of course, they're decidedly mum on the subject of how to actually PAY for any of that security, since, y'know, spending = bad and government = bad. But hell, a little hypocrisy won't get in their way - after all, just a few weeks ago the GOP thought teachers were "union thugs"; now they want to arm those union thugs!



"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

"I was wrong" - Hero, 2012

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

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Saturday, December 29, 2012 11:02 AM

JONGSSTRAW


What we really need are those personal impenetrable force fields. It's a little box that clips on to your belt.

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Saturday, December 29, 2012 3:31 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
What we really need are those personal impenetrable force fields. It's a little box that clips on to your belt.




Muad'dib.

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Saturday, December 29, 2012 7:46 PM

JONGSSTRAW


Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
Quote:

Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
What we really need are those personal impenetrable force fields. It's a little box that clips on to your belt.


Muad'did



....no longer needs the weirding module.


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Sunday, December 30, 2012 7:44 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


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Also, Sikh temples, movie theaters, outdoor gatherings, street corners and so on. Because that's so much better than keeping guns out of the hands of nutcases.

Amen Kiki.
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Clearly the only way to safeguard our freedom and liberty is to be more like China and North Korea. That is pretty much the NRA and GOP stance on this issue.

Yup. And the reason they WANT it that way is gee, think of just how many guns the gun manufacturers will sell if we make it so! Whoopee! As to the funds to do such a thing (which that NRA guy called for the government to fund), for me it's much like the cutting of the funding to provide security for our embassies, etc., oversease--followed by the humongoush outrage when there wasn't enough security in Benghazi. And similar to that "union thugs" followed by "let's arm those union thugs". The mentality is pathetic.

We traveled through Italy when I was young. All the banks had those "double door" things, where you went inside one door and couldn't go inside the actual bank until someone pressed a button. They also had armed guards. As a child, the whole thing scared the crap out of me. Thing is, all these people who think arming everyone and putting guards everywhere only THINK it would be great; if they had to live in such a society, they'd find themselves feeling otherwise.


Tit for tat got us where we are today. If we want to be grownups, we need to resist the ugliness. If we each did, this would be a better reflection on Firefly and a more welcome place. I will try.

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