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In cable the day he died, U.S. ambassador warned Clinton about Benghazi security

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Tuesday, January 22, 2013 6:23 PM

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Just hours before he died in a terrorist attack at the U.S. compound in Benghazi, Ambassador Chris Stevens sent a cable to Secretary of State Hillary Clinton painting a chaotic, violent portrait of the eastern Libya city and warning that local militias were threatening to pull the security they afforded U.S. officials.

Militia leaders told U.S. officials just two days before the attack that they were angered by U.S. support of a particular candidate for Libyan prime minister and warned “they would not continue to guarantee security in Benghazi, a critical function they asserted they were currently providing,” Stevens wrote in the cable the morning of Sept. 11, 2012. He also cited several other episodes that raised questions about the reliability of local Libya security.

“Growing problems with security would discourage foreign investment and led to persistent economic stagnation in eastern Libya,” Stevens cautioned.

The Washington Guardian obtained a copy of the memo, a weekly summary of events in Libya dated just hours before a band of terrorists struck the unofficial U.S. consulate in Benghazi and a neaby annex building where the CIA operated, killing the ambassador and three other Americans.

Stevens’ cable is likely to become a central focus of congressional hearings that begin Wednesday -- hearings where Clinton will be pressed to explain why security for diplomats in the region wasn’t increased in the weeks before the attack and why so much reliance was placed on local security forces with dubious loyalties.

The House Foreign Affairs Committee led by its new chairman, Rep. Ed Royce, R-Calif., is leading the investigation in that chamber, while the Senate's Foreign Affairs Committee chaired by Democratic Sen. Bob Menendez has its own hearing.

Among the questions lawmakers in both parties are likely to probe is why the State Department turned down a request in August that a special military security team extend its stay in the region, and why U.S. officials relied so heavily on local security tied to militias, a concern Stevens himself had flagged.

Congressional investigators have developed evidence that some of the local security at the Benghazi consulate failed to protect the compound during the attack and may have even had forewarnings that violence could occur that day.

Obama administration officials declined comment on the cable, referring a reporter instead to the findings released in late December of the State Department Accountability Review Board report on Benghazi.

For weeks after the attack, State Department officials insisted they had reviewed security at the compound and believed they had adequate resources heading into the 11th anniversary of the Sept. 11 terror attacks. They also claimed they had no forewarning of impending trouble.

Stevens' concerns about militia security were previously mentioned by news outlets such as The Daily Beast, but the full details of the diplomatic cable and the exact language Stevens used to alert his bosses in Washington show the State Department had plenty reason to know the city he was visiting was in violent disarray and that there was growing distrust of the security capabilities of local police and militias.

The document described a “state of maximum alert” that had just ended a few days earlier in the city, detailed “extra-judicial killings” of Libyan government officials that were ongoing in the vicinity, reported on a deadly car bombing, and noted the destruction of power lines that blacked out part of the region.

One Libya security commander “expressed growing frustration with police and security forces” and suggested local security was “too weak to keep the country secure,” the memo said.

The cable also warned that Salafists had engaged in a gun battle at a Muslim shrine less than 22 miles (35 kilometers) outside Benghazi three days earlier, killing three and injuring seven. Stevens specifically flagged concerns about official security exposed by that incident, saying a militia brigade sent to protect the shrine was “late responding” and some Salafist members in the brigade “were actually fighting against local residents in support of efforts to destroy the shrine.

Likewise, the ambassador wrote he also had received a warning of “expanding Islamist influence” in the nearby community of Derna, noting another local militia brigade had “undercut police presence by accusing the police of being loyal to the former regime.”

As for the explosives attacks on power lines, Stevens wrote, authorities had “confirmed press reports that huge 400 kilowatt lines and towers, including their foundations, had been completely destroyed.”

While the report was mostly filled with reports of violence and warnings of dubious security, Stevens did relate one meeting he had with local business leaders who tried to make the case for increased U.S. investment in Benghazi. The businessmen argued that “despite the challenges… the security situation was improving,” the cable said before rattling off a laundry list of recent violence.

One of the reasons Stevens apparently risked going from the more fortified embassy in Tripoli to Benghazi was also detailed in the cable: Stevens planned to unveil a new U.S. project in Benghazi to enhance “cultural and education outreach by U.S. Mission Libya.”

Investigators also have zeroed in on another reason for his trip, an evening meeting with a Turkish diplomat that ended shortly before the attack. Stevens apparently had befriended the diplomat on earlier assignments and the two corresponded as early as August about the possibility of meeting in Benghazi.

The official State Department review board report on the Benghazi tragedy, released last month, carefully danced around the reasons for Stevens’ willingness to take the risk of going to the less-secure compound in Benghazi on the anniversary of Sept. 11 terror attacks, saying only that ambassadors were afforded great latitude in deciding their movements and schedules.

“The Board found that Ambassador Stevens made the decision to travel to Benghazi independently of Washington, per standard practice,” the report said.

The report, however, was far more direct in accusing the State Department of failing to assess the security situation in Benghazi and providing adequate protections.
"Systemic failures and leadership and management deficiencies at senior levels within two bureaus of the State Department (the “Department”) resulted in a Special Mission security posture that was inadequate for Benghazi and grossly inadequate to deal with the attack that took place,” the review board concluded.



http://www.wtop.com/1190/3202086/Ambassador-cabled-Clinton-day-he-died

Secretary Clinton's testimony before the Foreign Affairs Committees this week should prove interesting. Hope some of it gets reported.

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Tuesday, January 22, 2013 6:33 PM

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So what ?

He's dead. Just move on. Obama won the election. Give it a rest.




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Tuesday, January 22, 2013 7:06 PM

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There was no attack. There was only some OWS-type protesting going on (rapes and all) because of the recent tv airing of True Lies, a movie that unfairly depicts Muslims in a bad way. Words were exchanged, guns went off...no one really knows. What is known is that during all this Benghazi confusion, Obama was busy watching a rerun of The White Shadow, Panetta was at his mama's house trying to get her secret recipe for clams casino, Patraeus was getting his joint copped by a groupie in the CIA executive bathroom, and Hillary was asleep at her girlfriend's house. All the other NSA and CIA officials and staff on duty were either looking at porn or engaged in spitting for distance contests.

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Wednesday, January 23, 2013 7:46 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


How much money for Benghazi security did House Republicans approve?

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Wednesday, January 23, 2013 8:52 AM

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
How much money for Benghazi security did House Republicans approve?



Since the approval process doesn't get down to that level of granularity, it's impossible to say.

State's 2012 budget request asked for $1.454 billion dollars for worldwide security, which was $132 million less than the actual cost for FY2010. As far as I can see, there was no request in that budget for any security for Benghazi.

http://www.state.gov/documents/organization/156215.pdf

As to why the State Department reduced the size of the security detail in Libya despite requests from the embassy staff and security personnel on the ground there...

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The former head of a Special Forces "Site Security Team" in Libya tells CBS News that in spite of multiple pleas from himself and other U.S. security officials on the ground for "more, not less" security personnel, the State Department removed as many as 34 people from the country in the six months before the terrorist attack in Benghazi that killed Ambassador Chris Stevens and three others.


Lt. Col. Andy Wood will appear this week at a House Oversight Committee hearing that will examine security decisions leading up to the Sept. 11 terrorist attack on the U.S. compound in Benghazi.


Speaking to CBS News correspondent Sharyl Attkisson, Wood said when he found out that his own 16-member team and a six-member State Department elite force were being pulled from Tripoli in August - about a month before the assault in Benghazi - he felt, "like we were being asked to play the piano with two fingers. There was concern amongst the entire embassy staff."


Congress to probe security flaws for Libya diplomats
Libya consulate: Was security added or taken away?
State Dept. to take hot seat over Libya security


He said other staffers approached him with their concerns when the reduction in security personnel was announced.


"They asked if we were safe," he told Attkisson. "They asked... what was going to happen, and I could only answer that what we were being told is that they're working on it - they'll get us more (security personnel), but I never saw that."


http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-505263_162-57527659/ex-u.s-security-team- leader-in-libya-we-needed-more-not-less-security-staff/

...perhaps Secretary Clinton will clear that up today.


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Wednesday, January 23, 2013 10:07 AM

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Rand Paul nailed it when he said that if what went on while he was President, he'd ask for his SecState's resignation. Only, I think he actually said he'd dismiss him/ her before any resignation letter had a chance to be sent.

"False words are not only evil in themselves, but they infect the soul with evil." - Socrates

" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Wednesday, January 23, 2013 10:13 AM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Rand Paul nailed it when he said that if what went on while he was President, he'd ask for his SecState's resignation. Only, I think he actually said he'd dismiss him/ her before any resignation letter had a chance to be sent.



So, basically, you're not really sure what he said or how he said it but you were impressed enough to almost share it word for word.

sincerely, 1933

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Wednesday, January 23, 2013 10:25 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Keeping on with the "Who said that?" meme:

"I think it's part of this sort of blame-game society in the sense that it's always got to be someone's fault instead of the fact that sometimes accidents happen."


Who said that, after how many people died and what event(s) transpired?



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Wednesday, January 23, 2013 10:48 AM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Rand Paul nailed it when he said that if what went on while he was President, he'd ask for his SecState's resignation. Only, I think he actually said he'd dismiss him/ her before any resignation letter had a chance to be sent.



So, basically, you're not really sure what he said or how he said it but you were impressed enough to almost share it word for word.

sincerely, 1933



No, I was pretty sure of what he said, as I heard him say it on the radio. I was busy, so my multi-tasking skills weren't fine tuned, but the gist of it is that he dressed down Hillary in proper fashion. ( Google his comments, if you so desire the full transcript.) Her claim that she and everyone @ State did all they could is staggering in its falsity.


As for the blame of all this, it clearly lies w/ the terrorist militants, ( not an angry crowd ) who attacked our consulate. And it goes to who ever told our troops to stand down / wait , for 11 hours, until the ambassador had been killed and sodomized. Or was it sodomized , then killed ? Guess we'll never know, huh?

But what of the survivors ? There were plenty. Who were they ? What do THEY have to say on the matter, the time line of events, etc...

Why hasn't the press tracked them down, to get the " inside " story ? And why doesn't Hillary even know how many DID survive ??? We know how many died, right ? 4 months later, do we not have a head count of all who got out of there ?

I don't care who you are, or what your political leanings, but there's far too many unanswered questions for there NOT to be something very wrong here.

Incompetence to the Nth degree, or worse, take your pick.



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" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Wednesday, January 23, 2013 10:58 AM

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The life of secret agents is rough, AU, and unfortunately so are their deaths, on occasion. Ooops! I think I spilled some beans...

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Wednesday, January 23, 2013 11:47 AM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:

Rand Paul nailed it when he said that if what went on while he was President, he'd ask for his SecState's resignation. Only, I think he actually said he'd dismiss him/ her before any resignation letter had a chance to be sent.



Pretty close.

"Had I been president and found you did not read the cables from Benghazi and from Ambassador Stevens, I would have relieved you of your post," Paul said. "I think it's inexcusable."

http://www.federalnewsradio.com/526/3032682/Defiant-Clinton-faces-Cong
ress



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Wednesday, January 23, 2013 11:54 AM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
As for the blame of all this, it clearly lies w/ the terrorist militants, ( not an angry crowd ) who attacked our consulate. And it goes to who ever told our troops to stand down / wait , for 11 hours, until the ambassador had been killed and sodomized. Or was it sodomized , then killed ? Guess we'll never know, huh?



Nah. It was just protestors, or some guys out for a walk.

"Was it because of a protest? Or was it because of guys out for a walk one night decided they would go kill some Americans? What difference, at this point, does it make? It is our job to figure out what happened and do everything we can to prevent it from ever happening again, Senator."
http://www.federalnewsradio.com/526/3032682/Defiant-Clinton-faces-Cong
ress


If we're going to figure out what happened and see that it doesn't happen again, we might start by recognizing that the attack in Benghazi was well planned and coordinated, and not just some protest or guys out walking who decided to kill Americans.

Considering no one responsible has been identified, and there is no inquiry going on in Libya that we know of, one wonders how that translates into doing everything we can to prevent another such attack.


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Wednesday, January 23, 2013 12:11 PM

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Originally posted by Geezer:

Considering no one responsible has been identified, and there is no inquiry going on in Libya that we know of, one wonders how that translates into doing everything we can to prevent another such attack.




Oh, that's the easy part to figure out. MORE federal spending, in all embassies, around the world! Not just in hot spots, but a comprehensive increase in security and other personnel, upgrades in barriers,... there's probably no END to the $ we can throw the problem, which will have absolutely zero effect to solving what went wrong in Libya.

"False words are not only evil in themselves, but they infect the soul with evil." - Socrates

" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Wednesday, January 23, 2013 1:25 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


I do find it hilarious that the idiots on the right are so much more concerned about four Americans dying in Libya than they were about 27 Americans dying in Connecticut.


No call for investigation, no call for any response or any action to be taken, nothing at all, except... "We need to put armed guards in every school. And mall. And movie theater. And subway. And bedroom. And... and... and..."


One wonders how they're going to pull that off WITHOUT more federal spending.


30,000 Americans dead by gunshots every year? No problem at all, says the right. Just as long as they aren't killed by scary brown Muslim people!



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Wednesday, January 23, 2013 1:40 PM

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Kwickie - YOU are the racist, trying to bring up the skin color of Islamic terrorists. Their skin color isn't an issue, but you sure as hell want to make it one. Maybe being brown some how gives them immunity from justice ? Or should we treat them like anyone else, and let justice be blind ?

What " investigation " is needed that isn't already going on in Newtwon ? We know the killer, and he's dead, right ? Or should we wait several weeks to go over the crime scene, as was the case in Benghazi ? Still don't have anyone in custody there, do we?

Fact is , we need no more federal spending to protect our kids. Just let teachers be citizens,and allow them to carry. Or let the state and local govts deal with the issue, as they see fit, as it SHOULD be.

Moron.



"False words are not only evil in themselves, but they infect the soul with evil." - Socrates

" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Wednesday, January 23, 2013 1:47 PM

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Fact is , we need no more federal spending to protect our kids. Just let teachers be citizens,and allow them to carry.

Again, most teachers are idiots. How do I know? because most PEOPLE are idiots. More idiots with guns = more accidents.... bad drivers, anyone????
It's lost on you, I know, and I do not blame you, considering.

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Wednesday, January 23, 2013 1:55 PM

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
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Originally posted by AURaptor:

Fact is , we need no more federal spending to protect our kids. Just let teachers be citizens,and allow them to carry.

Again, most teachers are idiots. How do I know? because most PEOPLE are idiots. More idiots with guns = more accidents.... bad drivers, anyone????
It's lost on you, I know, and I do not blame you, considering.



Ok, Chrissy Bloomberg.

"False words are not only evil in themselves, but they infect the soul with evil." - Socrates

" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Wednesday, January 23, 2013 2:13 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)






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"I was wrong" - Hero, 2012

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Wednesday, January 23, 2013 5:03 PM

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
I do find it hilarious that the idiots on the right are so much more concerned about four Americans dying in Libya than they were about 27 Americans dying in Connecticut.



Is that like you being more concerned about Pres. Obama's kids than everyone elses?

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Originally posted by RionaEire:
While they make a point that is worth pondering, they could have done it in a much better way, no need to be specific, they could have made the point in a more general way, something like "When there are children living in the White House they get lots of security to keep them safe, and aren't our children just as important as a president's children?".

Kwicko:
From a national security standpoint, No. Sorry, but they really aren't. Please let me know next time you have received some 10,000 death threats against you and your family, and we'll revisit their importance to the nation and its security.



So since the security folks on the ground in Libya thought there were threats against the Americans there, and requested additional security, shouldn't that have made the State Department revisit the importance of the U.S. ambassador and his security, instead of reducing his security force?

Then again, there was no indication at all to authorities that there would be an attack at Sandy Hook, unlike the multiple warnings from security and embassy personnel in Libya of potential threats. Somehow I doubt that if the authorities in Conn. had been told by security experts that there was a likelihood of an attack on a school there, they would have reduced security in the schools.

And once again, just because some folks don't kneejerk a ban on certain types of weapons doesn't mean that they aren't concerned about violence, or that they don't have ideas about reducing it, some of which the President himself has suggested.


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Wednesday, January 23, 2013 5:15 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)






"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

"I was wrong" - Hero, 2012

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

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Wednesday, January 23, 2013 5:26 PM

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So on the issue of the State Department, based on a U.S. government commission's analysis, totally screwing the pooch on security for the U.S. ambassador to Libya, and Secty. Clinton apparently refusing to admit it was more than a protest or random strolling guys wanting to kill an American, you got nothing.


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Thursday, January 24, 2013 3:42 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


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Originally posted by Geezer:
Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
I do find it hilarious that the idiots on the right are so much more concerned about four Americans dying in Libya than they were about 27 Americans dying in Connecticut.



Is that like you being more concerned about Pres. Obama's kids than everyone elses?

Quote:

Originally posted by RionaEire:
While they make a point that is worth pondering, they could have done it in a much better way, no need to be specific, they could have made the point in a more general way, something like "When there are children living in the White House they get lots of security to keep them safe, and aren't our children just as important as a president's children?".

Kwicko:
From a national security standpoint, No. Sorry, but they really aren't. Please let me know next time you have received some 10,000 death threats against you and your family, and we'll revisit their importance to the nation and its security.



So since the security folks on the ground in Libya thought there were threats against the Americans there, and requested additional security, shouldn't that have made the State Department revisit the importance of the U.S. ambassador and his security, instead of reducing his security force?



As you've pointed out, there were vague threats that SOMETHING might happen, SOMEWHERE in the world, regarding , possibly, maybe, SOME of our more than 70,000 embassy personnel or tens if not hundreds of thousands of contractors employed by our government.

But somehow Hillary was supposed to know exactly where and when an attack was going to come. You make it sound like she had some sort of briefing paper titled "Al Qaeda determined to attack inside Benghazi consulate on September 11, 2012" or something.

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Then again, there was no indication at all to authorities that there would be an attack at Sandy Hook, unlike the multiple warnings from security and embassy personnel in Libya of potential threats. Somehow I doubt that if the authorities in Conn. had been told by security experts that there was a likelihood of an attack on a school there, they would have reduced security in the schools.



I can tell you with 100% certainty that there will be more school shootings this year. Everybody knows the threat is there, is real, yet you refuse to listen or believe it, and steadfastly refuse to take any commonsense measures to forestall or prevent it.

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And once again, just because some folks don't kneejerk a ban on certain types of weapons doesn't mean that they aren't concerned about violence, or that they don't have ideas about reducing it, some of which the President himself has suggested.



And once again, just because some folks don't kneejerk an invasion of yet another country doesn't mean they aren't concerned about violence or embassy security, even when the House Republicans are busy chopping hundreds of billions of dollars out of the embassy security budget.





"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

"I was wrong" - Hero, 2012

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

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Thursday, January 24, 2013 4:30 AM

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Rand Paul is 15 x's more qualified for his job than Obama was for his Senate seat.

And at least someone is crying over the deaths of 4 Americans who were murdered in Benghazi. I'd rather have those in DC show concern for them than the a-holes who tried to pass the blame onto a video that no one had seen, or brush it off with " they knew the job was dangerous when they took it " , and then just try to brush the whole story aside.

"False words are not only evil in themselves, but they infect the soul with evil." - Socrates

" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Thursday, January 24, 2013 6:04 AM

JONGSSTRAW


The Republicans on the House and Senate Committees yesterday reached an all-time low in terms of ineptitude and self-centered buffoonery. They should all have their nutsacks placed in a guillotine and chopped off. Oh wait, Hillary Clinton already did that to them.

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Thursday, January 24, 2013 6:19 AM

ARLO

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Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Rand Paul is 15 x's more qualified for his job than Obama was for his Senate seat.




An assertion made with nothing concrete to back it can be called blind faith.

sincerely, 1933

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Thursday, January 24, 2013 6:22 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by ARLO:
Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Rand Paul is 15 x's more qualified for his job than Obama was for his Senate seat.




An assertion made with nothing concrete to back it can be called blind faith.

sincerely, 1933



Speaking of blind, Obama served how much time in the private sector vs at least 15 years for Rand. Prolly more, too , but whose counting ? He certainly is far more than qualified to check out Hillary's eyes.

"False words are not only evil in themselves, but they infect the soul with evil." - Socrates

" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Thursday, January 24, 2013 9:16 AM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up


Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
As you've pointed out, there were vague threats that SOMETHING might happen, SOMEWHERE in the world, regarding , possibly, maybe, SOME of our more than 70,000 embassy personnel or tens if not hundreds of thousands of contractors employed by our government.

But somehow Hillary was supposed to know exactly where and when an attack was going to come. You make it sound like she had some sort of briefing paper titled "Al Qaeda determined to attack inside Benghazi consulate on September 11, 2012" or something.



No, Mike. as pointed out above, the security people and embassy people in Libya reported specific issues with the size of the security force there. Since you apparently didn't read it, here it is again.

Quote:

The former head of a Special Forces "Site Security Team" in Libya tells CBS News that in spite of multiple pleas from himself and other U.S. security officials on the ground for "more, not less" security personnel, the State Department removed as many as 34 people from the country in the six months before the terrorist attack in Benghazi that killed Ambassador Chris Stevens and three others.


Lt. Col. Andy Wood will appear this week at a House Oversight Committee hearing that will examine security decisions leading up to the Sept. 11 terrorist attack on the U.S. compound in Benghazi.


Speaking to CBS News correspondent Sharyl Attkisson, Wood said when he found out that his own 16-member team and a six-member State Department elite force were being pulled from Tripoli in August - about a month before the assault in Benghazi - he felt, "like we were being asked to play the piano with two fingers. There was concern amongst the entire embassy staff."


Congress to probe security flaws for Libya diplomats
Libya consulate: Was security added or taken away?
State Dept. to take hot seat over Libya security


He said other staffers approached him with their concerns when the reduction in security personnel was announced.


"They asked if we were safe," he told Attkisson. "They asked... what was going to happen, and I could only answer that what we were being told is that they're working on it - they'll get us more (security personnel), but I never saw that."


http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-505263_162-57527659/ex-u.s-security-team- leader-in-libya-we-needed-more-not-less-security-staff/

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I can tell you with 100% certainty that there will be more school shootings this year. Everybody knows the threat is there, is real, yet you refuse to listen or believe it, and steadfastly refuse to take any commonsense measures to forestall or prevent it.


Like better information about folks with mental health problems, both in the firearms database and reported if they seem to professionals to pose a threat? Like stricter laws against illegal and strawman sales? Like harsher punishment for use of a gun in a crime? Like anti-violence and anti-bullying initiatives in schools? Like better, more secure, access to schools and for classrooms within schools? Like 15,000 more cops and an increase in school counselers? Those seem pretty commonsense to me, and I noted so in the "Obama announces gun control measures" thread.

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And once again, just because some folks don't kneejerk an invasion of yet another country doesn't mean they aren't concerned about violence or embassy security, even when the House Republicans are busy chopping hundreds of billions of dollars out of the embassy security budget.


As noted above, which you also apparently didn't read, the entire State Department worldwide security budget is $1.454 billion, so chopping hundreds of billions of dollars out of it would be kind'a impossible.

And here that is again, so you don't have to scroll up.

State's 2012 budget request asked for $1.454 billion dollars for worldwide security, which was $132 million less than the actual cost for FY2010. As far as I can see, there was no request in that budget for any security for Benghazi.

http://www.state.gov/documents/organization/156215.pdf



"When your heart breaks, you choose what to fill the cracks with. Love or hate. But hate won't ever heal. Only love can do that."

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Thursday, January 24, 2013 11:01 AM

PIRATENEWS

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Reality Check: One question Sec. of State Clinton was not asked about Benghazi -- "Why does Clinton give millions of taxdollars and 15,000 rockets to Al Qaeda?"
http://www.fox19.com/story/20664067/reality-check-one-question-sec-of-
state-clinton-was-not-asked-about-benghazi

http://www.fox19.com/story/19518328/reality-check-one-on-one-with-pres
ident-obama-why-is-the-us-supporting-al-qaeda-in-syria







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Thursday, January 24, 2013 9:46 PM

PIRATENEWS

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I wonder if Congress will ask Hillary about this?



Attorney Hillary reportedly gave the order to invade the church.

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Thursday, January 24, 2013 11:21 PM

FREMDFIRMA



Maybe if we hadn't used our Embassy as a C3 center to STAGE A FUCKING COUP and then used it's basement as a TORTURE CHAMBER, perhaps we wouldn't have had a security problem to begin with, eh ?

Just sayin.

-F

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Friday, January 25, 2013 2:28 AM

CHRISISALL


Yep.



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Friday, January 25, 2013 3:52 AM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up


Quote:

Originally posted by FREMDFIRMA:

Maybe if we hadn't used our Embassy as a C3 center to STAGE A FUCKING COUP and then used it's basement as a TORTURE CHAMBER, perhaps we wouldn't have had a security problem to begin with, eh ?

Just sayin.

-F



Yeah. That's right. Just "Blame Bush" again. Oh...No...Wait a sec.


"When your heart breaks, you choose what to fill the cracks with. Love or hate. But hate won't ever heal. Only love can do that."

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Friday, January 25, 2013 4:22 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!



What does it matter that we didn't find as much WMD in Iraq as we thought we'd find ?

What does it matter that there was a break in to the DNC offices in Watergate ? How do we know it wasn't just some random break in, and not a coordinated effort ?


How do you think the Dems would react to these answers, had Republicans defiantly shot back and stood their ground ?





"False words are not only evil in themselves, but they infect the soul with evil." - Socrates

" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Friday, January 25, 2013 9:48 AM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by Geezer:

Yeah. That's right. Just "Blame Bush" again. Oh...No...Wait a sec.


Yep. Obama. Another POSPOTUS.

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Monday, January 28, 2013 4:57 PM

PIRATENEWS

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President Billary Clinton 2016

VIDEO: Obama Cracks Joke When Asked About Four Dead Americans In Benghazi
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Journalism/2013/01/28/Obama-Cracks-Joke-W
hen-Asked-About-Four-Dead-Americans-In-Benghazi



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Monday, January 28, 2013 8:44 PM

JONGSSTRAW


Senator Lindsey Graham said today that he intends to block the hearings for Obama's nominee for Sec of Defense Chuck Hagel until Leon Panetta testifies before the Senate. When asked why he wants current sec. Panetta to testify he said because America learned nothing from Hillary Clinton's testimony last week. When asked why the Senate & House committees couldn't get any info from Clinton he said that she skillfully danced around all the questions, and left things even more confused than before.

Graham, a cum laude graduate from Goober Pyle College Of Communication and Oil Change Science and Technology, believes Panetta will talk with this threat looming to the Hagel confirmation process. Panetta has indicated there might be a chance he would answer questions if the Senators promised to stop making speeches during their allotted time and actually ask some coherent and relevant questions. And he wants them to ask one question at a time instead of in groups of ten.


(Meanwhile back at home, Aunt Bea is busy in the kitchen when she calls out) Andeeeeee.....Helen's coming over for supper. Tell Opie to go wash his hands and behind the ears.
(at the table) By the way, did everyone hear that Howard Sprague is going to Washington D.C. to advise those Senate folks on how to properly conduct government business? And Emmett's going with him in case anyone has a radio that needs fixin'.




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