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"The most stunning statistic, however, is that the total number of deaths caused by conventional medicine is an astounding 783,936 per year. It is now evident that the American medical system is the leading cause of death and injury in the US. Using Leape's 1997 medical and drug error rate would add another 216,000 deaths, for a total of 999,936 deaths annually. Our estimated 10-year total of 7.8 million iatrogenic* deaths is more than all the casualties from all the wars fought by the US throughout its entire history. Our considerably higher figure is equivalent to six jumbo jets are falling out of the sky each day."
—Gary Null, PhD; Carolyn Dean MD, ND; Martin Feldman, MD; Debora Rasio, MD; Dorothy Smith, PhD, "Death by Medicine", March 2004 (plus 10-Million annual aborticides in USA)
http://www.lef.org/magazine/mag2004/mar2004_awsi_death_01.htm

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Originally posted by 1kiki:
Well Geezer, if all you care about are assault rifles and if all the government cared about were assault rifles you might have a point. But if you are to look at guns of all types, as the government is, from your very own link, you'd see they are used far more often in murders than anything else

Remember, this is from YOUR link

Handguns 6,220
Rifles 323
Shotguns 356
Other guns 97
Firearms, type not stated 1,587

All guns 8583

Knives or cutting instruments 1,694
Blunt objects (clubs, hammers, etc.) 496
Personal weapons (hands, fists, feet, etc.) 728

All other 2918

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Yet the thrust of the newest legislation is pretty much all focused on 'assault weapons'. Obama, Biden, Feinstein, etc. go on endlessly about the horrors of these firearms, when non-firearm weapons are demonstrably more dangerous.

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Originally posted by FREMDFIRMA:

They like to pretend that was an isolated incident, but I can tell you for a fact it wasn't - in summer 1988 at the US Army Quartermaster School in Ft Lee, VA, I was handed a very similar survey by my Sergeant and instructed to fill out and return it - I was kind of offended about it, and when I came to the question about whether I'd fire on americans who refused to hand over their weapons I crossed it out with a big X and wrote in the margin that if given this order I would then immediately arrest and detain the officer in question, removing him from command and rendering him to the civil authorities for trial at the first opportunity, in accordance with the UCMJ (military justice code).

That evening the Sergeant returned with the commanding officer of the unit in tow and they very bluntly informed me that any hope of a military career for me was absolutely over and that I would never, ever be promoted again - followed by offering a straight up no consequences immediate discharge, just pack my shit and walk away, without question or penalty.
Having at the time nowhere left to go, and a burning hatred for all humanity I desperately wanted to drown in blood (which Lindyear took advantage of, later), I told them where to stick it, but that threat of no promotion ever was no empty one, I remained a mere E-3 right up till I *did* tell them to jam it and walked.

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What does the author of one of America’s best-selling novels about children killing each other for sport and the Sandy Hook Elementary shooting have in common? The answer is both of them claim Newtown, Conn., as their residence. Suzanne Collins, the award winning best-selling author of The Hunger Games trilogy, lives with her family and writes in the quaint Northeast community of Newtown. She shares her picturesque town with the 27 victims who were murdered – 20 of whom were children – in the tragic massacre that took place there on Dec. 14. As punishment for a past rebellion, children between the ages of 12 and 18 are forced to hunt down and kill one another in a televised contest – similar to gladiator events of ancient Rome – until only one child remains.
http://www.paulstanley.org/blog/2012/12/what-the-hunger-games-trilogy-
and- the-sandy-hook-school-tragedy-have-in-common/

The next family in our series of articles on the top 13 Illuminati families is the Collins family. The following is a description of a highly secret high level Satanic meeting. It comes via an ex-insider who is now a Christian. The Grande Mother, a Collins woman was thought to be in her middle 50’s at the time of this meeting, she had a deep dictatorial voice, was small in stature, and was very powerful. She was decked out on her throne with a great deal of jewelry. One of the first things done was to lay before her feet small gold bricks (shaped like small bricks and made of pure gold). Two boys, who were taken to be her sons, one of whom was Tom Collins, (Tom was later gunned down by the Illuminati) were near her throne. Seven children in white were brought in from generational Satanic families and presented before Grande Mother Collins. They laid prostrate in worship of her. She would move her scepter with a snake up and down striking the floor to show approval of a child candidate. Then 7 other children were sacrificed for the 7 approved children, one for each child, whose name would then be written with a quill using the sacrificed child’s blood. The children were given oaths. The Grande Mother rotated her throne and faced the Council of 13 and declared (speaking in English) "This is tomorrow’s generation, a chosen few."
-Fritz Springmeir, Bloodlines of the Illuminati (jailed 10 years for 'bankrobbery' in retaliation for this book)
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/bloodlines/collins.htm
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/bloodlines/index.htm

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Newly released court documents in the Aurora, CO theater “Batman massacre” case reveals startling inside accusations about who may actually be behind the shootings that left at least 70 people either dead or injured in the early morning hours of July 20th.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/105211790/Motion-to-Intervene-in-James-Holme
s-Case

Friday's report by the online version of Denver's Westword Magazine details shocking claims made by, what appears to be, a new victim in a case that has throttled a community still in mourning over the tragic events.

http://blogs.westword.com/latestword/2012/09/aurora_theater_shooting_j
ames_holmes _police_chief_illuminati.php?page=2

According to the court documents an individual, whose name has been officially redacted from the documents, came forward to file a “Motion to Intervene” for the right to be reasonably heard under the Crime Victims' Rights Act (a)(4), for the purposes of presenting newly discovered evidence to the court.

Corroborating much of a recent Conspiracy Examiner story maintaining the situation as potentially being another horrific (rogue government faction) conspiracy and possible false-flag event, the newly discovered evidence, thrown out of court by Judge William Sylvester days later, details stunning accusations against billionaire Philip Anschutz, Police Chief Dan Oates, Arapaho County Dist. Atty. Carol Chambers and, according to the alleged victim, the Illuminati as being potential co-conspirators in the crime.

The stunning accusations, dated August 27, reveal a startling story by the claimant as having been visited at home by police chief Dan Oates and Dist. Atty. Carol Chambers where they forced the unnamed individual to testify as a fake victim of the shootings, under the threat of being arrested for prostitution and escort services and charity fraud, for the purposes of garnering an easy conviction against alleged shooter James Holmes. But not before being shot by the police chief in “non-life-threatening areas” of the body, according to the motion, to appear as having been shot by James Holmes himself. The motion also claims that it is likely some of the victims in the theater were merely paid actors working on behalf of the conspirators and wants multiple individuals involved in the situation to take polygraph tests to prove their innocence.

Claiming that their conscience will not let fraudulent testimony contribute to an improper conviction of James Holmes, the new mystery victim asked that the judge submit the case to the FBI and the US Congress for further investigation into the alleged conspiracy. The judge, however, instead of taking a closer look, decided to strike down the motion as fraudulent, claiming the motion as likely forged by an individual or individuals unassociated with the events. The judge also suggested the situation be investigated by the Arapahoe County Sheriff's office and those responsible for the motion be taken into custody by the Arapahoe County Department of Human Services and “referred to the appropriate mental health agency.”

But it may in fact be the judge that needs the mental attention as all the evidence collected in the case thus far seems to point toward mostly agreeing with the individual who filed the claim, despite the media and the court's attempts to suppress any evidence that doesn't support the official story. Multiple and corroborating eyewitness testimony stated what appeared to be multiple individuals involved in the shooting, including supporting official dispatch audio. Individuals interviewed by local media immediately after the event also claimed to have seen teargas canisters being deployed in the theater simultaneously from two different directions, in addition to side-by-side images of James Holmes prior to the shootings and the orange haired individual taken into custody as the alleged lone gunmen after the event looks startlingly like two different individuals. There also seems to have been two different gas masks found at the scene, in addition to other damning evidence that doesn't jive with the official version of the events.

The individual who filed the motion also added that they wanted their portion of the charity to be donated to James Holmes' prison commissary, after using the money to find Mr. Holmes “real” attorneys who are actually willing to act in the honest defense of James Holmes, or the individual in custody for the crime.

The motion, as certified by the Arapahoe County Dist. Atty. and public defenders offices, was sent via the United States Postal Service, then was quickly denied and subsequently released days ago to the public for reasons yet to be determined.

Perhaps one of the most telling aspects of the circumstances, however, happens to be the creepy dead silence about the motion by the media, especially considering every little detail about a situation like this is normally scrutinized at every angle after being groomed with a fine tooth comb and examined under a microscope.

It was just weeks ago that certain local media outlets were considering suing for access to court records because, according to those outlets, the community had a right to know so the victims and the community could more easily begin the healing process and find some semblance of closure. Perhaps information that may open new wounds, however, regardless of how accurate or important that information may be, may not be the kind of information they were looking for.

http://www.examiner.com/article/aurora-theater-shooting-court-document
s- blows-inside-job-conspiracy-wide-open

http://www.davidicke.com/headlines/76930-hunger-games-not-mentioned-in- sandy-hook-elementary-school-shooting

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Yet the thrust of the newest legislation is pretty much all focused on 'assault weapons'. Obama, Biden, Feinstein, etc. go on endlessly about the horrors of these firearms, when non-firearm weapons are demonstrably more dangerous.

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Did you just pull a rappy? Or am I not "getting" the definition of a "firearm"? Because "guns" clearly outweigh "everything else" in the commission of murders.

I think the reason for focusing on assault weapons (forgive me if I missed this point in the thread already) is that they are often used to shoot white middle class people. A lot of gang warfare shootings are with handguns, but nobody in the middle class gives a rat's ass about that.

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Originally posted by 1kiki:
Aside from that, there's an effort to re-look at gun registration and loopholes - things that affect all guns, not just 'assault rifles'.

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For one thing, the BIGGEST push has been for background checks; Biden has made that his "top priority". He's also (rumor has it) proposing a law that could define gun trafficking as a federal crime.

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Cary Grove Drill To Include Shooting Blanks In Hallways - CBS Chicago

About half the parents are opposed to the drill, or opposed to the way it will be conducted: with a gun firing blanks. School officials say they want to accustom children to the sound of gunfire. Parents point out that not all guns sound alike, and are concerned the drill will only serve to frighten their children. Says one parent, “If you need to run a drill, you run a drill. They run fire drills all the time, but they don’t run up and down the hallway with a flamethrower.”

Parents also do not like the way police recommend their children be “sitting ducks” in their classrooms if there’s a shooter in their school; they say they have always taught their children to find a way out of the school if they’re not near the shooting--that is, run out a door or climb out a window, rather than hide in their classrooms with the curtains drawn, as officials recommend.

http://www.google.com/search?q=Cary+Grove+Drill+To+Include+Shooting+Bl
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What does that mean? It's not clear to me.

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In 2010 323 people were murdered with rifles (all kinds of rifles, not just "assault weapons".
356 with shotguns
6,220 with handguns
1,694 with knives or cutting instruments
496 with blunt objects (clubs, hammers, etc.)
728 with personal weapons (hands, fists, feet, etc.)

So why all the big push against the weapon that used in relatively few murders?

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Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:
A significant amount more gun deaths, don't you think.

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A good Samaritan who harbored six terrified survivors of the Sandy Hook massacre has been singled out by conspiracy theorists accusing him of being a liar and an actor. “I don’t know what to do,” Rosen, a retired psychologist, told Salon in a follow-up interview on Tuesday. “There must be some way to morally shame these people, because there were 20 dead children lying an eighth of a mile from my window all night long.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/15/gene-rosen-sandy-hook-conspir
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Charter Communications
Cable Advisory Council

NEWTOWN
CEO Eugene Rosen erosen2@earthlink.net

http://www.cableadvisorycouncil.com/towns/index.htm

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