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Obama Administration learns to identify a terrorist attack.

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Saturday, February 2, 2013 5:09 AM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up


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"We strongly condemn what was a suicide attack against our embassy in Ankara, which took place at the embassy's outer security perimeter," said White House spokesman Jay Carney.

"A suicide bombing on the perimeter of an embassy is by definition an act of terror," he said. "It is a terrorist attack."



http://www.wtop.com/220/3215025/Suicide-bomber-kills-guard-at-US-Embas
sy-in-Turkey


As opposed to "...a protest or ... guys who went out for a walk one night who decided they would kill some Americans", I guess.

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Saturday, February 2, 2013 5:20 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!



What, no YouTube video associated with the attack this time ?

Not merely an angry group, or individual, but an actual and true terrorist attack ?

Huh.

"False words are not only evil in themselves, but they infect the soul with evil." - Socrates

" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Saturday, February 2, 2013 5:28 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


How asinine. You're as bad as that stupid hearing where the Republicans just cannot let it go, it's a boone they found to chew on and chew on and chew on, and even you followers of the Great and Mighty Right can't grasp that it was all politics, Republicans don't give a shit about security when it comes to FUNDING that security, but they sure can chew that bone when one person follows orders on Sunday talk shows! You just took that bait, swallowed it happily, and even tho' THEY know why they're chewing on it, you just follow their lead.

Sick to death of you and your cronies worshipping at the alter of right-wing propaganda and grasping at anything that lets you crow about nothing. The POLITICIANS know precisely why they made an issue out of it and what game they're playing, but you just don't get it, do you?

Benghazi HAPPENED. What's important is working to see it doesn't happen again, not how much hay can be made of it. But you want to focus on the latter, 'cuz it's convenient for you not to think for yourselves.

Tit for tat got us where we are today. If we want to be grownups, we need to resist the ugliness. If we each did, this would be a better reflection on Firefly and a more welcome place. I will try.

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Saturday, February 2, 2013 5:35 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Niki, we get it. You don't care if the govt is lying to you, as long as Obama is President. Or ANY Democrat, for that matter.

Message received.

This had zero to do w/ politics, or funding, and everything to do w/ incompetence, and the President's foreign policy image to protect.

' Gee, why are all those folks being rounded up and sent away in cattle cars ? ' - Niki, circa late 1930's, somewhere in Germany.

"False words are not only evil in themselves, but they infect the soul with evil." - Socrates

" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Saturday, February 2, 2013 5:49 AM

M52NICKERSON

DALEK!


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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Niki, we get it. You don't care if the govt is lying to you, as long as Obama is President. Or ANY Democrat, for that matter.



It does not matter to you how many times something is disproven does it?

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.

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Saturday, February 2, 2013 6:21 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by m52nickerson:
Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Niki, we get it. You don't care if the govt is lying to you, as long as Obama is President. Or ANY Democrat, for that matter.



It does not matter to you how many times something is disproven does it?





Apparently not. From the very start, this admin was touting the lie of some video as the cause of the terrorist attack. I guess they think that if they say it often enough, folks ( like you and Niki ) will buy anything.

"False words are not only evil in themselves, but they infect the soul with evil." - Socrates

" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Saturday, February 2, 2013 7:13 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Quote:

Originally posted by m52nickerson:
Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Niki, we get it. You don't care if the govt is lying to you, as long as Obama is President. Or ANY Democrat, for that matter.



It does not matter to you how many times something is disproven does it?





Apparently not.





And that sums up Rappy in a nutshell. Or a nutsack. Or a nutjob.


For Rappy, teabaggery is a religion. He claims atheism, but he will stick to the dogma of the Teabilly Taliban no matter what facts may be pointed out to him.


By the way, the NRA's position is that if only that guard had had a suicide bomb, he could have stopped the suicide bomber. Now we need suicide bombers in every school, just to be sure.



"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

"I was wrong" - Hero, 2012

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

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Saturday, February 2, 2013 2:06 PM

PIRATENEWS

John Lee, conspiracy therapist at Hollywood award-winner History Channel-mocked SNL-spoofed PirateNew.org wooHOO!!!!!!


Quote:

Originally posted by Geezer:
Quote:

"We strongly condemn what was a suicide attack against our embassy in Ankara, which took place at the embassy's outer security perimeter," said White House spokesman Jay Carney.

"A suicide bombing on the perimeter of an embassy is by definition an act of terror," he said. "It is a terrorist attack."



http://www.wtop.com/220/3215025/Suicide-bomber-kills-guard-at-US-Embas
sy-in-Turkey


As opposed to "...a protest or ... guys who went out for a walk one night who decided they would kill some Americans", I guess.



Ye Old False Flag in Turkey
http://yeoldefalseflag.com/thread-police-suicide-bombing-at-us-embassy
-2-dead


Obama's Al Qaeda Terrorists Force Prisoner to Become a Suicide Bomber in Syria:





Operation Susannah -- Israeli false-flag bombings: The Lavon Affair
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lavon_Affair

US soldiers plant bombs on Iraqi civilians at US military checkpoints:



British Special Forces Soldiers Dressed As Arabs Arrested Planting Bombs in Basra Iraq
http://www.globalresearch.ca/were-british-special-forces-soldiers-plan
ting-bombs-in-basra/994


Opertion Gladio -- False Flag Terror Bombings in Europe by USA and NATO:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Gladio





Airport Security Screeners Plant Explosives In Passengers Luggage
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8441891.stm
http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=19332

Memos Detail TSA Officer Planting Cocaine on Passengers as 'Prank'
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/documents/stupid/memos-detail-tsa-officer
s-cocaine-pranks


TSA agent: “We steal from travelers all the time”
http://nielsenhayden.com/makinglight/archives/014412.html



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Saturday, February 2, 2013 2:25 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:



And that sums up Rappy in a nutshell. Or a nutsack. Or a nutjob.


For Rappy, teabaggery is a religion. He claims atheism, but he will stick to the dogma of the Teabilly Taliban no matter what facts may be pointed out to him.





Yes, freedom IS a religion, I suppose. Call it that, if you must. But it's crystal clear that you're willing to swallow the lies and fairy tales of this admin, no matter what.

There was no connection to the terrorist attack and the youtube video which no one had seen.

None.



"False words are not only evil in themselves, but they infect the soul with evil." - Socrates

" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Saturday, February 2, 2013 2:45 PM

JONGSSTRAW


How fitting for Hillary's last day that the U.S. embassy in Turkey got bombed. When it comes to total number of American embassies attacked, bombed, and set ablaze no one can touch her record of 28. Must have been her great diplomatic skills. Muslim countries just love a handsome woman in a frumpy pantsuit.

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Sunday, February 3, 2013 2:02 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


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Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
How fitting for Hillary's last day that the U.S. embassy in Turkey got bombed. When it comes to total number of American embassies attacked, bombed, and set ablaze no one can touch her record of 28. Must have been her great diplomatic skills. Muslim countries just love a handsome woman in a frumpy pantsuit.




Wiki lists 7 embassies or diplomatic missions attacked under the Obama administration, and 9 under Bush. Do you have other sources?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_attacks_on_diplomatic_missions



"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

"I was wrong" - Hero, 2012

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

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Sunday, February 3, 2013 2:06 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:



And that sums up Rappy in a nutshell. Or a nutsack. Or a nutjob.


For Rappy, teabaggery is a religion. He claims atheism, but he will stick to the dogma of the Teabilly Taliban no matter what facts may be pointed out to him.





Yes, freedom IS a religion, I suppose. Call it that, if you must.



So much for your atheism.

Quote:


But it's crystal clear that you're willing to swallow the lies and fairy tales of this admin, no matter what.



Huh. I don't see anything in this thread that supports that lie, but then again, when have you ever supported any of your asinine "facts"?

Quote:


There was no connection to the terrorist attack and the youtube video which no one had seen.



Nobody had seen it? Not one person on the face of the planet?

I question that. Pretty sure you're full of shit on that, as well as on pretty much everything else you've ever believed.




"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

"I was wrong" - Hero, 2012

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

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Sunday, February 3, 2013 2:10 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)





GOP finally learns to identify a terrorist attack. If only they'd been so vigilant in August 2001.



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Sunday, February 3, 2013 7:30 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)










"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

"I was wrong" - Hero, 2012

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

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Sunday, February 3, 2013 11:38 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Thus it has been and thus it always will be:
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Partisan politics has so polarized America that normal, honest behavior seems to be the oddity that stands out these days. Much ado is being made of Gov. Chris Christie’s common sense communication with President Obama during Sandy’s aftermath. Christie and the president working together for the good of the citizens who elected them for that very reason is seen as spectacular when it should have been the ordinary, the norm.

The attack of our embassy in Benghazi, Libya, on Sept. 11,which resulted in four Americans being murdered, is now used as an opportunity to gain political points. Washington Republicans and the partisan pundits beyond have slapped on the war paint, donned the camouflage and are armed to the hilt—out to get Obama’s blood at all cost.

Now there is loud clamor for transparency and investigations, accusations of a cover-up and incompetence, with those doing the talking all the while professing to only want the truth as concerned Americans and conscientious politicians. Give me a break. The only conscientious concern here is self-serving partisan BS.

Where was all that concern for our men and women serving in embassies and consulates across the globe when all the other attacks and killings occurred?

Like in 2002 when the US Consulate in the Karachi, Pakistan, was attacked and 10 were killed?

Or in 2004 when the US embassy in Uzbekistan was attacked and two were killed and another nine injured?

How about in 2004, when the US Consulate in Saudi Arabia was stormed and 8 lost their lives?

There is more: In 2006, armed men attacked the US Embassy in Syria and one was murdered.

Then in 2007 a grenade was thrown at the US Embassy in Athens.

In 2008, the US Embassy in Serbia was set on fire.

In 2008, bombings in the US Embassy in Yemen killed 10.

Notice the dates, all before the Obama administration.

Not yet convinced that all the noise over Benghazi has nothing to do with love of countryman? How about the biggest, most catastrophic attack and murder of Americans? As a New Yorker, Sept. 11, 2001, is indelibly imprinted on my psyche and I’m sure on the rest of the country. 3,000 perished in the most brutal act of terror in our recent history—all under a Republican administration. George W. Bush and his team had nine warnings that al-Qaida would attack within the United States, but they did absolutely nothing. No one in that administration’s head rolled for that stunning incompetence.

But Republicans now want President Obama’s head for Benghazi.More at http://www.allvoices.com/contributed-news/13333916-number-of-embassies
-attacked-during-the-bush-years-before-benghazi-many


Something about, you know, perspective? Like Democrats during the Bush Administration knew that embassy attacks happen periodically; nothing can completely eliminate them. On the other hand, as the article asks: "The number of embassies attacked before Benghazi were many, so is Republican outrage now purely political?"

Thus it was and thus it always will be.



Tit for tat got us where we are today. If we want to be grownups, we need to resist the ugliness. If we each did, this would be a better reflection on Firefly and a more welcome place. I will try.

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Sunday, February 3, 2013 12:09 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Just to add:
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Former Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld is defending Republican presidential nominee Mitt Romney for scoring political points by blaming “American weakness” for attacks on U.S. embassies in Egypt and Libya — even though terrorists attacked U.S. embassies 12 times during President George W. Bush’s tenure.

“It’s disgraceful that the Obama administration’s first response was not to condemn attacks on our diplomatic missions, but to sympathize with those who waged the attacks,” Romney had said over a statement from the U.S. embassy that denounced an anti-Muslim movie prior to the attacks.

That initial statement from the former Massachusetts governor and his press conference later in the day were both panned as “irresponsible” and “craven.”

The neoconservative former Defense secretary took to Twitter on Wednesday afternoon to weigh in on the side of Romney.

“The attacks on our embassies & diplomats are a result of perceived American weakness,” Rumsfeld wrote. “Mitt Romney is right to point that out.”

Terrorists attacked U.S. embassies 12 times while President George W. Bush was in office. At least eight of those attacks occurred while Rumsfeld was serving as secretary of Defense. http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/09/13/rumsfeld-defends-romney-embassy-
attacked-because-of-american-weakness/]
]
Politics? Oh, heavens know, that could never be the case...

Refute the FACTS presented in that article, if you can, please.

Let's try a few specifics:
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U.S. Embassy in Sana’a, Yemen, Sept. 17, 2008; Nineteen people died and 16 were injured. UNDER BUSH

U.S. Embassy in Belgrade, Serbia, Feb. 21, 2008; Several hundred demonstrators attacked the U.S. Embassy compound in the Serbian capital of Belgrade. Hours later, a charred body was found inside a torched office at the embassy. Crowds of masked young men broke into the compound and used metal bars to smash into the first floor of the building. A few demonstrators climbed the building and set the U.S. flag on fire as others used a door to ram the metal-barred windows. UNDER BUSH

U.S. Embassy in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia, Dec. 6, 2004; Five consular employees were killed and four other local staff members were injured after militants stormed the U.S. consulate. Saudi police killed four of the assailants, who were members of al-Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula (AQAP). UNDER BUSH

U.S. embassies in Kenya and Tanzania, Aug. 7, 1998; In a co-ordinated operation, car bombs exploded outside the U.S. embassies in Nairobi, Kenya, and Dar es Salaam, Tanzania, on Aug. 7, 1998. The attacks killed 224 people, including 12 Americans. About 5,000 were injured. Fazul Abdullah Mohammed, the leader of al-Qaeda in East Africa, had a $5 million US bounty on his head for allegedly planning the attacks. UNDER CLINTON

U.S. Embassy in Beirut, Lebanon, Apr. 18, 1983; A Hezbollah suicide bomber drove a van up to the U.S. Embassy in Beirut, killing 63 people, including at least 17 Americans. The act also destroyed the Middle East bureau of the CIA. That same year, an attack on the Beirut headquarters of American and French forces killed 298 people. UNDER REAGAN.More at http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/story/2012/09/12/f-embassy-attacks.html]
Embassies have been attacked probably as long as there have been embassies. If you want to hold Presidents responsible for them, you can probably blame every President we've had for who knows how long??

On a related matter, Repubs felt completely different (of course) when it was another Rice up for Sec. of State:
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Eight years ago, when President Bush suggested Condoleezza Rice for Secretary of State, some people said, "Well, wait a minute, wasn't she part of misleading the American people about intelligence information that led to our invasion of Iraq?" McCain and Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., defended Condoleezza Rice by admonishing their Senate colleagues to not "hold her accountable for the intelligence that was given to her. She was simply relating what she had heard."

"(I)t wasn't her fault," Durbin said. "To hold Ambassador Rice accountable for a decision by intelligence agencies -- not by her, not by the White House -- to withhold some part of the information is fundamentally unfair."More at http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-3460_162-57551559/durbin-gop-holding-susan
-rice-to-different-standard/


Wow. EXACTLY the same situation as far as what one Rice said, but a whole different story when another Rice does exactly the same thing!

Can we stop now? Or are we going to go on playing idiotic games?

Tit for tat got us where we are today. If we want to be grownups, we need to resist the ugliness. If we each did, this would be a better reflection on Firefly and a more welcome place. I will try.

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