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Gay people live in 50 Americas

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Wednesday, March 20, 2013 11:15 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


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Three years ago, when Scott Hamilton moved from New York to Oklahoma for work, his marriage, and all the rights that went with it, dissolved in the transition.

That's because Oklahoma -- a deeply conservative place -- is one of 38 states that bans marriages between same-sex couples.

To make the move, Hamilton, 52, and his husband, Wayne Johnson, 59, who got married in Connecticut in 2009 and have been together since 1991, had to come to grips with the fact their relationship would no longer matter under the eyes of the law. They had to redo their wills and create new trusts to ensure their assets would be passed smoothly if one of them were to die.

If they were put into long-term care in Oklahoma, he said, the men would have to occupy separate rooms. They must file their taxes separately. And it's almost impossible for them to use the word "husband" without comment.

"Well, who are you? Are you his driver?" a nurse recently asked Hamilton when he was pushing Johnson through a hospital in a wheelchair, as he related it to me.

"No, I'm his husband."

"Oh, good God," she said, dismissively.

Oh-good-God is right.

How does it make sense that a couple's love for each other would be recognized by one state and mocked in another? For lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender people, the United States has turned into a complicated mess of 50 Americas -- most of which discriminate against them. Lots more at http://www.cnn.com/2013/03/20/opinion/sutter-50-americas-lgbt/index.ht
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And on that note, here's the new, "more inclusive" Republican Party:
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Reince Priebus, chairman of the Republican National Committee, said the party's platform on gay marriage has not changed despite the massive effort spearheaded by the RNC to make the party more inclusive.

"I know our party believes marriage is between one man and one woman," Priebus told MSNBC's Luke Russert on Wednesday morning.

Striking a more conciliatory tone, Priebus added, "I also know that we have a party that's going to be inclusive and is going to listen to people ..." More at http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/03/20/reince-priebus-gay-marriage_n
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Sooo, since since there's nothing wrong with their their STAND, only how they word their MESSAGE, how are they going to be "inclusive" on the gay-marriage issue, one wonders?

ETA: The first article goes on to state
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For what other group -- with the possible exception of pregnant women seeking abortions -- are state borders so important? If you're Jewish or tall or Christian or black or fat or old or poor or sad ... your fundamental rights as a human don't change if you drive from the panhandle of Idaho, where same-sex marriage is banned, into Washington state, where it's legal, or from the yellow plains of West Texas, where employees can be fired because of their sexual orientation, to New Mexico, where LGBT workers are protected from institutionalized bigotry.

But I disagree. I think the same problem exists on MANY levels; being gay, or an immigrant, or African-American, or poor, or a union worker or low-wage worker, or even sad (if your sadness gets dx'd as a mental disorder) means you live differently from state to state with regard to MANY things. But I'll just stick to the homosexuality issue...
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Some states allow same-sex couples to adopt.

Others, such as Mississippi, ban it. That leaves couples such as Sara and L.B. Bell -- whom I met on a recent trip to Mississippi, a state that, according to my calculations, ties for having the fewest protections for LGBT people -- to fear that if and when they have a child, it may be difficult for both to maintain custody.

Some states protect LGBT tenants from being evicted because of who they are.

Others, such as Louisiana and Montana, don't seem to think that matters.

Some states let teachers talk about homosexuality in schools -- a healthy step toward ensuring future generations continue to be more accepting of all people.

Others, such as Alabama, require teachers to mention "in a factual manner and from a public health perspective, that homosexuality is not a lifestyle acceptable to the general public and that homosexual conduct is a criminal offense under the laws of the state." Never mind that homosexuality is not a crime, as the U.S. Supreme Court held in Lawrence v. Texas in 2003. And that about half the nation is cool with same-sex marriage these days, a percentage that only will grow with time.

Each state is so different we might as well put up signs on the borders.

Welcome to Oklahoma ... Oh, you're gay??? Please turn around. We can fire you for that here. ...

At least then the statutory inequalities would be visible.
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Plenty of gay people, Hamilton included, hope the Supreme Court, which is hearing two cases related to same-sex marriage next week, soon will expand rights for same-gender couples in this country. But even in a favorable scenario -- if California's same-sex marriage ban is invalidated, and if the federal government starts recognizing same-sex marriages -- LGBT people still will be subject to vastly different laws depending on where they live and work. Folks like Hamilton, who moved from New York to Oklahoma, might as well be going from Alaska to Russia.

States, of course, shouldn't give up their right to self-governance.

But when it comes to civil rights issues, they have an awful history of clinging to laws long past their expiration dates. In 1967, 16 states banned interracial marriage. The Supreme Court overturned that. Mississippi and others fought against racial integration in schools. But level heads, and courts, prevailed.


Did you get that? 1967. And, of course, the right is working to get rid of voting-rights laws...because, of course, voting has become a "racial perrogative".

I know my country will keep moving ahead, but sometimes it bothers me what people have to live through before it DOES...

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Wednesday, March 20, 2013 12:49 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Ay-yup, my lovely Canuk, it's different. But, in my humble opinion, BETTER in many ways. I love my country and will always work to make it better, but it's true, more and more these days I despair of much improvement while I'm still around. Maybe it's old age, but I saw so many GREAT things happen decades ago, then it seems like the last few decades, it's been virtually all downhill...or a major battle to keep it from going down hill FASTER...sigh...


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Thursday, March 21, 2013 6:46 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Time, Brenda, that's what it takes, that and not giving up. The pendulum always swings back, and progress is always two steps forward, one back, and at times the opposite. We keep fighting; in the end America has eventually kept moving forward, it's just those damned potholes in the road, and some go on longer and/or are deeper than others!

All in all, America does okay, considering. Given our Wild West mentality, distrust of government, Puritanical heritage and all the rest that goes into the pot, we do keep moving forward. Some things just take a lot longer than others, and when ignorance gets in power (or in fashion, as it has with the Tea Party and fringe right), it's a longer and harder battle!

I admire Canada highly, probably more than any other country; I love Australia, but their Wild West mentality and bigotry can rival our own in its own way. And I will always have a special love for England, but they're so mired in their history, and have so little by way of space, natural resources, etc., that it's harder for them--one reason I cut them more slack than some others. But Canada has managed to avoid a LOT of the pitfalls other countries have, and isn't out there trying to "fix" the world, among other things, so yes, I'm unquestionably biased in your country's favor. Which doesn't mean I'm blind to your faults, just that I think you do pretty good, overall. But I'm a Yank, and will never stop fighting to improve my country, and will always love it, even if I sometimes despair of it's people!


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Thursday, March 21, 2013 7:17 AM

STORYMARK


Their idea of "inclusive" is the same as always - straight white guys who agree with the party line.

Thankfully, on this issue at least, those who hold such views are dying out. Of course there will always be bigots who will never accept it - but this will be a complete non-issue in just a few years.




Excuse me while I soak in all these sweet, sweet conservative tears.

"We will never have the elite, smart people on our side." -- Rick "Frothy" Santorum

"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

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Thursday, March 21, 2013 11:08 AM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


Good grief, does anyone live in Alabama by choice?

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