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Wednesday, April 17, 2013 3:08 PM
KWICKO
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: Quote:Originally posted by Kwicko: By the way, is calling it an "act of terror" close enough to calling it terrorism? As this posts stands, alone, with no context included, leaves it ambiguous as to who Kwickie was replying.
Quote:Originally posted by Kwicko: By the way, is calling it an "act of terror" close enough to calling it terrorism?
Wednesday, April 17, 2013 3:30 PM
AURAPTOR
America loves a winner!
Wednesday, April 17, 2013 4:39 PM
FREMDFIRMA
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: FREM It seems the online media have lately started addressing ALL the conspiracy theories on MANY events, not just this one. AFA political opportunism and whether this was a LIHOP, a MIHOP, or neither- I think we will be able to judge by the government response: Do they treat this as a criminal investigation, ramp up surveillance on everyone, invade some hapless nation (I know! It was Iran that did it!), or some combination? So far, I haven't detected the drumbeat to war, or to anything.
Wednesday, April 17, 2013 7:35 PM
1KIKI
Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.
Wednesday, April 17, 2013 11:58 PM
Quote:Originally posted by 1kiki: That there would be assumptions made (it's 'the Muslim'!, as little rappy might say), actions taken, situations with other countries roiled, and everything going to hell, like a shot starting an avalanche.
Quote: " Let’s hope the Boston Marathon bomber is a white American. " As we now move into the official Political Aftermath period of the Boston bombing — the period that will determine the long-term legislative fallout of the atrocity — the dynamics of privilege will undoubtedly influence the nation’s collective reaction to the attacks. That’s because privilege tends to determine: 1) which groups are — and are not — collectively denigrated or targeted for the unlawful actions of individuals; and 2) how big and politically game-changing the overall reaction ends up being. http://www.salon.com/2013/04/16/lets_hope_the_boston_marathon_bomber_is_a_white_american/
Thursday, April 18, 2013 12:17 PM
NIKI2
Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...
Thursday, April 18, 2013 12:48 PM
Thursday, April 18, 2013 2:18 PM
Quote:Originally posted by G: I don't know how the FBI or anyone picks those people out. If you look at all the images that have been online so far - including the PN ones (not the horrific ones) - all you have to do is look at the rest of the crowd and you'll see a lot of other people with full backpacks. I hope the FBI has more to go one than these photos. Do they have shots of them placing their bags in the detonation zones? Must be more...
Thursday, April 18, 2013 3:19 PM
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Thursday, April 18, 2013 7:39 PM
MAGONSDAUGHTER
Thursday, April 18, 2013 8:29 PM
Quote: Police officers blocked off the scene of a shooting at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology in Cambridge, Mass. Andrew Kitzenburg, 29, said he looked out of this third floor window to see two young men of slight build in jackets shooting at dozens of police officers from behind a black Mercedes SUV. The officers and the men were 70 yards apart, he said, and engaged in “constant gunfire.” A police SUV “drove towards the shooters,” he said, and was shot at until it was severely damaged. It rolled out of control, Mr. Kitzenberg said, and crashed into two cars in his driveway. The two shooters, he said, had a large and unwieldy bomb. “They lit it, still in the middle of the gunfire, and threw it. But it went 20 yards at most.” It exploded, he said, and one of the two men ran towards the gathered police officers. He was tackled, but it was not clear if he was shot, Mr. Kitzenberg said. The other, he said, got back into the SUV, turned it toward the officers and “put the pedal to the metal.” The car “went right through the cops, broke right through and continued west.” The two men left “a few backpacks right by the car, and there is a bomb robot out there now.” Police had told residents to stay away from their windows, he said. The standoff came within hours of an incident at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology in which a campus police officer was shot and killed. The officer, who was not named, responded to a report of a disturbance near Vassar and Main Streets, the Middlesex County District Attorney Michael Pelgro said in a statement early Friday. He was found, the statement said with “multiple gunshot wounds” and taken to Massachusetts General Hospital where he was pronounced dead. M.I.T. said in an update on its campus alert Web site after midnight that the “shooter remains at large, police continue to search the campus,” and asked students to stay indoors until further notice. At the campus, helicopters whirred overhead, and police cars were dotted through the streets. A crime scene was cordoned off, and at least one dog unit was on the scene. The two incidents came as the area was already on edge following the bombings at the Boston Marathon on Monday.
Friday, April 19, 2013 1:13 AM
MAL4PREZ
Friday, April 19, 2013 1:17 AM
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Friday, April 19, 2013 3:10 AM
Quote:According to the Associated Press, the suspects are brothers from an area of Russia near Chechnya. “We believe this to be a terrorist,” Boston Police Commissioner Ed Davis said. “We believe this to be a man who came here to kill people.” NBC News, citing law enforcement sources, said the two men in question have “international links” and have been in the United States legally for about a year.
Quote:The suspects are brothers of Chechen origin with the last name Tsarnaev, law enforcement officials told NBC News. The suspect at large, Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, is 19, was born in Kyrgyzstan and has a Massachusetts driver’s license, they said. The dead suspect was identified as Tamerlan Tsarnaev, 26, born in Russia.
Friday, April 19, 2013 3:21 AM
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Friday, April 19, 2013 6:29 AM
Friday, April 19, 2013 6:34 AM
Quote:A young college police officer has been identified by authorities as the latest casualty of the Boston Marathon bombing suspects. The suspects robbed a convenience store, then shot Collier on the MIT campus following an altercation, according to authorities. They then allegedly carjacked a Mercedes SUV, holding the driver hostage for a half hour before freeing him at a gas station in Cambridge, according to sources. On their way to the neighboring town of Watertown, they tossed explosive devices outside the SUV’s window, officials said. In a long exchange of gunfire between the suspects and authorities, a transit officer, Richard Donahue, was seriously injured. The older brother, Tamerlan, died after the gun battle, and a large manhunt is underway for the second suspect. http://usnews.nbcnews.com/
Friday, April 19, 2013 8:01 AM
Quote:The suspects in the Boston Marathon bombing case are brothers who appear to have roots in Chechnya, a region of Russia long roiled by Islamic insurgency. But they have lived in the United States for years, and law enforcement officials remain uncertain why they might have set explosives near the finish line of Boston’s iconic footrace and whether they have ties to any international terrorist organization. Law enforcement sources identified the suspect killed overnight in a shootout with police as Tamerlan Tsarnaev, 26, who was born in Russia. His younger brother Dzhokhar A. Tsarnaev, 19, born in Kyrgyzstan, fled the scene and on Friday was the subject of a massive manhunt in the Boston suburbs. According to NBC News, the Tsarnaev brothers entered the US with family in 2002 or 2003. Tamerlan Tsarnaev became a permanent resident in 2007. Other reports indicated that the Tsarnaev family had stayed for a time in Kazakhstan prior to their immigration to America. The elder brother was studying or has studied at Bunker Hill Community College and hoped to be an engineer. He was an avid boxer who hoped to earn US citizenship by participating in the Olympics for the United States. An album of images of Tamerlan Tsarnaev shot by photographer Johannes Hirn made this point with its title: “Will Box for Passport.” “Unless his native Chechnya becomes independent, Tamerlan says he would rather compete for the United States than for Russia,” Mr. Hirn wrote in one caption. Other captions depict the elder Tsarnaev as a Muslim who abstains from alcohol and is bewildered by the immorality of the surrounding American culture. As Foreign Policy Magazine blogger David Kenner notes, at the time the photos were taken Tamerlan’s life seemed pretty good. He was enrolled in school and boxing and had a pretty half-Italian half-Portuguese girlfriend who had converted to Islam for him, according to a caption in the Hirn photo album. “At some point, though, it all went wrong. In 2009, Tamerlan was arrested for domestic assault and battery after assaulting his girlfriend. The reasons for his descent into terrorism after that will no doubt be clear soon,” writes Mr. Kenner. As for Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, he was a student at Cambridge Rindge and Latin School, at least for a time. Classmates speak of him as athletic and popular but quiet. He is a wrestler. He is currently enrolled at University of Massachusetts, Dartmouth. According to a contemporaneous account on Boston.com, the city of Cambridge awarded Dzhokhar a $2,500 scholarship in 2011. Recipients of the scholarships, which are funded by local businesses, were honored in a May ceremony at Cambridge City Hall. The Tsarnaev brothers lived in Cambridge with family members. Live news reports on Friday morning indicated that police searched the residence and exited with at least one female who appeared to be cooperating with their efforts. Boston CBS affiliate WBZ-TV spoke with the suspects’ uncle, Ruslan Tsarni, who lives in Maryland, who said Dzhokhar and Tamerlan Tsarnaev immigrated to the United States around 2000 or 2001, and have lived at the same Cambridge address since that time. He says he hasn’t been in touch with the brothers for about five years. He described Tamerlan as a “loser” but seemed proud of Dzhokhar and more surprised that the younger brother would be involved. Mr. Tsarni said he didn’t recognize his nephews in the images of the suspects that had circulated. When he heard about Tamerlan dying in the shootout, he said to WBZ, “He deserved his. He absolutely deserved his. They do not deserve to live on this earth.” The CBS station interviewed a second uncle later Friday morning. Alvi Tsarni, also in Maryland, said he hadn’t spoken to the two men for a couple of years because of some family issues. He said Tamerlan called him Thursday to apologize for that. “Yesterday he called me and said, ‘forgive me,’ ” Alvi Tsarni said. Alvi Tsarni expressed disbelief that his nephews could have committed such a horrific act. “I’m sorry too if he did this. It’s crazy…. It’s not possible…. I cannot believe he did this,” he said. In Moscow, local media indicated that the two men were from a family of refugees. The director of a school where they studied in 2001 said they came from Kirgizia, and that the family included two sisters. Dzhokhar Tsarnaev has a page on VKontakte, a Russian social media site, where he says that his ideology is Islam and his aims in life are career and money. He describes himself as speaking Chechen as well as English and Russian. Time stamps on the site indicate that he checked in as late as 5 a.m. Moscow time on Friday. The editor in chief of Echo Moskvi radio, Alexey Varfolomeev, said that possibly Dzhokhar was named in honor of Dzhokhar Dudaev, a Chechen president who was killed by Russian special services. Back in the United States, former State Department spokesman Philip J. Crowley said all this emerging information reinforces the understanding of the evolving terrorist threat, which is decentralized, unpredictable, and evolves individual actors. “The immediate question about Boston was domestic or international?” Mr. Crowley tweeted on Friday. “It appears to be a hybrid, a homegrown act and international agenda.” http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/2013/0419/Boston-bombing-suspects-What-s-known-about-Tsarnaev-brothers-so-far?nav=87-frontpage-entryLeadStory
Friday, April 19, 2013 10:46 AM
SHINYGOODGUY
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: Quote:Originally posted by Jongsstraw: What did Mr. Thrill Down His Leg say? Heard he blamed the conservatives, soon after it happened. Utterly reckless on his part. * edit * Here's what Mr Thrill up my leg said.. Quote: MATTHEWS: Let me ask you about domestic terrorism as a category. Normally, domestic terrorists, people tend to be on the far right, well that’s not a good category, just extremists, let’s call them that. Do they advertise after they do something like this? Do they try to get credit as a group or do they just hate America so much or its politics or its government that they just want to do the damage, they don't care if they get public credit, if you will? Was Obama's pal, Bill Ayers, part of the " far right " ? And I'm glad Kwickie can begin to make jokes about this. Never too soon for some, I suppose. Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen Resident USA Freedom Fundie " AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall
Quote:Originally posted by Jongsstraw: What did Mr. Thrill Down His Leg say?
Quote: MATTHEWS: Let me ask you about domestic terrorism as a category. Normally, domestic terrorists, people tend to be on the far right, well that’s not a good category, just extremists, let’s call them that. Do they advertise after they do something like this? Do they try to get credit as a group or do they just hate America so much or its politics or its government that they just want to do the damage, they don't care if they get public credit, if you will?
Friday, April 19, 2013 12:26 PM
Quote:Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY: Seems that he was not alone in the premature ejaculatory response; Rupert Murdoch's brilliant rag, the NY Post, placed a picture of 2 high school students on the front page naming them as suspects in the bombing.
Quote: Talk about irresponsible journalism, they were runners who tried to join the Marathon at the last minute and didn't quite make it to participate. Way to go Murdoch!!!
Quote: That could have ended badly, luckily cooler heads prevailed. The news media, on both sides of the fence, in their eagerness to out-scoop one another nearly screwed the pooch on this one. Like I said, cooler heads prevailed. SGG
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