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Has Hillary EVER told the truth ?

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Monday, May 6, 2013 10:33 AM

AURAPTOR

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Seems not. Which makes her PERFECT to run for President on the Dem's 2016 ticket.

SMH

Sunday Morning Miracle: CBS’s Face the Nation Leads with Benghazi ‘Cover-Up’

Read more: http://newsbusters.org/blogs/brent-baker/2013/05/05/sunday-morning-mir
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Hillary lied about being named after Sir Edmund Hillary.

She lied about the " vast, Right wing conspiracy " in denying Bill got a Lewinsky from Monica.

She lied about having to dodge sniper fire in Bosnia.

And she's been lying about the attack which took the lives of our Amb and 3 other Americans , how it was " about a video " . It never was, and they knew it , from the moment it took place.

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Monday, May 6, 2013 4:04 PM

NEWOLDBROWNCOAT


Last month (or was it a couple of months ago?), it was ABSOLUTELY ALL Obama's fault. He was lying about it, and oughtta be impeached.

Now somebody in the Conservative echo chamber figured out that it wasn't gonna stick to Obama, and that there was more advantage in blaming Hillary, it's a good pr-emptive strike for 2016, so new it's ALL her fault.

The place in Benghazi was an undercover CIA outpost, not really an embassy or consulate everybody agrees on that. So it wasn't really under the control of the State Dept. How 'bout blaming the head of the CIA?

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Monday, May 6, 2013 11:32 PM

AURAPTOR

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Quote:

Originally posted by NewOldBrownCoat:

The place in Benghazi was an undercover CIA outpost, not really an embassy or consulate everybody agrees on that. So it wasn't really under the control of the State Dept. How 'bout blaming the head of the CIA?



Lotta stories, like how Stevens was trying to run weapons, under the table, but with approval of the higher ups ( Clinton, Obama ) and this is all an attempted cover up.

I think it has more to do w/ politics, ( saving the narrative that Obama killed al Qaeda, so there's no WAY it could be Mooslim terrorists ) and sheer incompetence , on the part of the President on down.

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Tuesday, May 7, 2013 3:26 AM

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I see the inconvenient truth on this matter has the natives squirming somewhat.

Good.

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Tuesday, May 7, 2013 4:57 AM

STORYMARK


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
I see the inconvenient truth on this matter has the natives squirming somewhat.





Or we just got bored with the right's inane obsession with it 8 or so months ago.

If you want to talk squirming, how about we list all the Embassy attacks and deaths that happened under Bush's watch, which your wingnuts never said one peep about, and still avoid...

And you of all people criticizing others for avoiding a subject they don't like... priceless.




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Tuesday, May 7, 2013 5:38 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


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Or we just got bored with the right's inane obsession with it 8 or so months ago.

Bingo.
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If you want to talk squirming, how about we list all the Embassy attacks and deaths that happened under Bush's watch, which your wingnuts never said one peep about, and still avoid...

Oh, let's DO, one more time (from last November):
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Partisan politics has so polarized America that normal, honest behavior seems to be the oddity that stands out these days.

The attack of our embassy in Benghazi, Libya, on Sept. 11,which resulted in four Americans being murdered, is now used as an opportunity to gain political points. Washington Republicans and the partisan pundits beyond have slapped on the war paint, donned the camouflage and are armed to the hilt—out to get Obama’s blood at all cost.

Now there is loud clamor for transparency and investigations, accusations of a cover-up and incompetence, with those doing the talking all the while professing to only want the truth as concerned Americans and conscientious politicians. Give me a break. The only conscientious concern here is self-serving partisan BS.

Where was all that concern for our men and women serving in embassies and consulates across the globe when all the other attacks and killings occurred?

Like in 2002 when the US Consulate in the Karachi, Pakistan, was attacked and 10 were killed?

Or in 2004 when the US embassy in Uzbekistan was attacked and two were killed and another nine injured?

How about in 2004, when the US Consulate in Saudi Arabia was stormed and 8 lost their lives?

There is more: In 2006, armed men attacked the US Embassy in Syria and one was murdered.

Then in 2007 a grenade was thrown at the US Embassy in Athens.

In 2008, the US Embassy in Serbia was set on fire.

In 2008, bombings in the US Embassy in Yemen killed 10.

Notice the dates, all before the Obama administration. Excerpts from http://www.allvoices.com/contributed-news/13333916-number-of-embassies
-attacked-during-the-bush-years-before-benghazi-many
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We could, of course, mention the calls to increase funding for embassy security that the Republicans voted against and actually cut:
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Of course it's obvious, the GOP deliberately defunded the security budget for the state department hoping that a weak and ineffective security posture overseas would embarrass Obama.

Granted, the state department under Hillary made a calculated judgement to beef up security with what little security funding they had and they choose Tripoli instead of Benghazi, chances are the attack on Benghazi planners knew in advance that this target was weakly defended and made for a spectacular propaganda event for all who would use this debacle for political gain.

Both the organization involved in perpetrating the attack and the GOP which has shamelessly used this travesty to constantly harangue Obama clearly ignoring the extenuating circumstances regarding the denied state department security funding designed to weaken and embarrass the appearance of whomever was in charge of the state department and the President in charge at the time.

Clearly Bush's failures were excused because there was clearly no democrat that could conceivably be blamed for those security oversight failures at those embassy's.

Not like 9/11 which the GOP constantly shirked responsibility for and ignored over 52 clear warnings and tried to blame Clinton for long after he was no longer in office and long after Clinton's administration had warned the incoming Bush regime about Al Qaeda long before any warnings starting streaming across Bush's desk unheeded and ignored until the neo-cons were convinced political gain was theirs for the political taking/exploitation by the senseless avoidable tragedy of 9/11. http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20130211145528AAo79dJ


But we've been through all that before, so why bother? ;o) It was all Obama's PERSONAL fault back then; it's all Clinton's PERSONAL fault now...then Obama was running for office; now Clinton may be. Transparent, old news, and boring. There's a difference between ignoring something real and not paying attention to trumped-up partisan bullshit.


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Tuesday, May 7, 2013 6:17 AM

AURAPTOR

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So, the Left doesn't care that this admin has ACTIVELY covered up the truth as to 4 Americans were left to die?

Ever see Clear & Present Danger?

This is such a real world case where the radio calls from ' knife ' for help from 'variable' went totally unheeded, and the WH did nothing, purely for political expediency.



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Tuesday, May 7, 2013 6:43 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


There's a difference between ignoring something real and not paying attention to trumped-up partisan bullshit.

A. Nobody was "left to die".
B. We already know about Benghazi.
C. You're

You wanna talk about REAL cover ups?

"Colin Powell Exposes The Bush Administration Cover-Up"



"War Crimes and the White House: The Bush Administration's Cover-Up of the Dasht-e-Leili Massacre"
http://www.worldcantwait.net/index.php/media-files-mainmenu-28/video-m
ainmenu-31/5714-war-crimes-and-the-white-house-the-bush-administrations-cover-up-of-the-dasht-e-leili-massacre
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"'State of Denial'; Multiple Bush Cover-Ups Over Iraq"
http://www.amazon.com/State-Denial-Bush-War-Part/dp/B00164CN0Y]

"‘High-Value Targets’ Imprisoned by High-Level ‘Cover-up’"
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlines/2007/06/investigator_hi/]

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President Bush was one of five high-ranking officials who caused McClellan to lie to the public in clearing Bush’s political adviser Karl Rove and Vice President Dick Cheney’s chief of staff I. Lewis Libby of any responsibility for the leak of Plame’s employment as an undercover intelligence officer.
“The most powerful leader in the world had called upon me to speak on his behalf and help restore credibility he lost amid the failure to find weapons of mass destruction in Iraq,” McClellan said. “So I stood at the White House briefing room podium in front of the glare of the klieg lights for the better part of two weeks and publicly exonerated two of the senior-most aides in the White House: Karl Rove and Scooter Libby.
“There was one problem. It was not true.
“I had unknowingly passed along false information. And five of the highest ranking officials in the administration were involved in my doing so: Rove, Libby, the Vice President, the President’s chief of staff, and the President himself.” http://www.consortiumnews.com/2007/112007a.html



"Abu Ghraib Investigator Details Pentagon Cover-Up: ‘I Thought I Was In The Mafia’"
http://thinkprogress.org/security/2007/06/17/14018/hersh-taguba/

And on and on and ON, ad infinitum, where many, MANY people died and suffered.

Not to mention, of course, http://beta.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=54654]

Where were you for all of THESE?? You want to discuss Benghazi, let's talk about THESE too, and ALL the other cover ups of the Bush Administration!

Or you can go right on trying to make something out of nothing, but you'll get no more attention from me. That's okay, tho', keep trying...




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Tuesday, May 7, 2013 7:22 AM

STORYMARK


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
So, the Left doesn't care that this admin has ACTIVELY covered up the truth as to 4 Americans were left to die?




More right wing fiction.




Excuse me while I soak in all these sweet, sweet conservative tears.

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Tuesday, May 7, 2013 8:24 AM

AURAPTOR

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Niki, you're wrong. All were left to die, because Obama was too busy packing for Vegas. This is " old news " because there was a cover up & the msm wanted it to go away.

This was never about a video .

And yet Susan Rice lied, on purpose, all over the Sun a.m. tv shows.

Copy/paste all the pages of lies you want, you can't change the facts, babe.


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Tuesday, May 7, 2013 8:48 AM

STORYMARK


A "cover-up" with no basis in reality is "facts" in rappyland...

Yet the documented *actual* fact that the requests for more security were denied by the GOP is "lies".

And he wraps it up with just a touch of misogyny, so that Nikki knows her place.

Rappyland - home of the twisted, land of the dumb.

Babe.




Excuse me while I soak in all these sweet, sweet conservative tears.

"We will never have the elite, smart people on our side." -- Rick "Frothy" Santorum

"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

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Tuesday, May 7, 2013 9:03 AM

STORYMARK


Is it impossible? No.

But there has been a very obvious partisan bent to the whole notion of a cover-up, as detailed above. When Obama was running - it was all his personal responsibility. Now that Clinton may be running, why golly, suddenly it's all down to just her.

And every time the Embassy attacks that happened under Bush are brought up - the same jokers like rappy refuse to discuss it.

The patterns are not difficult to discern.




Excuse me while I soak in all these sweet, sweet conservative tears.

"We will never have the elite, smart people on our side." -- Rick "Frothy" Santorum

"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

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Tuesday, May 7, 2013 10:46 AM

AURAPTOR

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Quote:

Originally posted by Storymark:
A "cover-up" with no basis in reality is "facts" in rappyland...

Yet the documented *actual* fact that the requests for more security were denied by the GOP is "lies".

And he wraps it up with just a touch of misogyny, so that Nikki knows her place.

Rappyland - home of the twisted, land of the dumb.

Babe.



'Babe' is now considered misogyny ?

Good thing I didn't go w/ chick, dame, skirt, gal,doll, tomato, or honey, huh?

Good grief, you're such an idiot.

As for the topic, you can't accept reality. That 4 dead Americans, from a battle which lasted for 7 hours, was completely ignored by this administration. Nor how the story is FINALLY coming out, told by who ? Non political staffers who were career professionals working for the govt, who simply know wrong when they see it.

That you deny the facts only is a glaring example of just how far off your brain is, and how blinded you are in your wretched, despicable partisanship for the most corrupt, incompetent group of elitists this country has seen in likely a century, if not ever.

Yes, 'cover up', with every basis in reality, from the call to stand down, and do nothing to the fabricated, 100% baseless claims that the attack was just a rowdy bunch of protesters that got out of hand, instead of a predetermined attack on the anniversary of 9/11/01.

Obama had EVERY reason to hide the truth,because it showed he was wrong about radical Islamic terrorism ( again ) and because it'd put a cramp in his bid for re-election.


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Wednesday, May 8, 2013 12:21 AM

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So, obvious answer to the question is... " No. She hasn't. "

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Thursday, May 9, 2013 2:38 PM

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Admiral Greer's funeral scene.




On the very day of the Benghazi hearings....

Hillary Clinton Accepts Public Service Award In Beverly Hills

BEVERLY HILLS (CBSLA.com) — Former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton arrived at a Beverly Hills gala to much fanfare on Wednesday as she prepared to accept an award for her public service.

Local volunteers from a national organization called “Ready for Hillary 2016? were organized outside the Beverly Wilshire hotel, where the Pacific Council on International Policy would be honoring the secretary.




Sad, sad day for America.

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Friday, May 10, 2013 2:53 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Well, I suppose I might as well waste two minutes to do this:
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Right-Wing Media Myths about Benghazi

Fox and others just keep dredging up lies about embassy attack

Right-wing media are using a congressional hearing to push new myths about the Obama administration's response to the September 11, 2012 attacks on a U.S. diplomatic facility in Benghazi, Libya. In fact, these myths are discredited by previous congressional reports and testimony, which show that the politicized nature of the hearings come from right-wing media and Congressional Republicans, that the military could not have rescued personnel from the second attack, that the administration was in constant communication at all levels during the attacks, and that the intelligence community believed there was a link to an anti-Islam video at the time of the attacks.

MYTH: Latest Benghazi Hearing Is Apolitical

Fox News' Brian Kilmeade Attacks The Claim That Benghazi Hearings Are "Politically Driven." On Fox & Friends, co-host Brian Kilmeade claimed that because self-identified whistleblowers are testifying at congressional hearings on Benghazi at a time that elections are not being held, the hearings can't be politically driven, saying "politics is out, and whistleblowers are in":

KILMEADE: [A]nyone who says this is politically driven, or it's against the president, that's out the window. Because if there's a non-political season in this world in American politics, it's now. The mid-terms aren't close --

STEVE DOOCY [co-host]: Sure.

KILMEADE: And the president is not running. [Fox News, Fox & Friends, 5/7/13, via Media Matters]

FACT: Right-Wing Media And Congressional Republicans Have Politicized The Hearings

Fox News' John Bolton: "I Hope [Benghazi] Is A Cover Up ... If It Was Merely A Political Cover-Up Then There Can Be A Political Cost To Pay." On Your World, Fox News contributor John Bolton said he hoped the hearings found that despite all evidence to the contrary, the Obama administration had engaged in a "political cover up" by altering CIA talking points to suggest that the attacks came in response to an anti-Islam video:

BOLTON: I'd have to say for the good of the country, I hope it is a cover up rather than the alternative, which is the Obama administration was so blind to the reality of the threat of Islamic terrorism, the continued threat from Al Qaeda... If that's the problem there's no cure for it. If it was merely a political cover-up then there can be a political cost to pay. [Fox News,Your World with Neil Cavuto, 5/6/13, via Media Matters]

Lawyers Representing The "Whistleblowers" In Hearings Are Long-Time GOP Activists With History Of Pushing Discredited Claims. The lawyers claiming to represent some of the witnesses at the Benghazi hearing, Victoria Toensing and Joseph diGenova, are long-time Republicans known for pushing false claims in the media and for having conflicts of interest in their professional work. They have both served as advisors to Republican candidates and donated thousands of dollars to GOP candidates and causes, and have been criticized for a conflict of interest for serving in a dual role in separate Justice Department investigations and for dropping "the air of impartiality, non-partisanship, and professionalism required" by their roles as leaders of a congressional investigation. [Media Matters, 4/30/13; 5/6/13]

Congressional Democrats Criticized House GOP Report For "Unnecessarily Politicizing Our National Security." A congressional report on Benghazi that was authored by five Republican committee chairmen was criticized by the ranking Democrats on those committees in a letter to House Speaker John Boehner, in which they said the report is "unnecessarily politicizing our national security":
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We are writing to strongly object to your decision to issue a partisan Republican staff report on Benghazi and dispense with House procedures for vetting official committee reports to correct inaccuracies and mischaracterizations. By abandoning regular order and excluding Democratic Members entirely from this process, you are unnecessarily politicizing our national security and casting aside the system used by the House for generations to avoid making obvious mistakes, errors, and omissions. [House Oversight Committee, 5/6/13
Lots and lots more at http://www.alternet.org/right-wing-media-myths-about-benghazi]




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