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Obama’s Defenders: He’s Not Corrupt, Just Dishonest and Incompetent

POSTED BY: JONGSSTRAW
UPDATED: Thursday, May 23, 2013 06:46
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Saturday, May 18, 2013 9:01 AM

JONGSSTRAW


"And a similar defense has arisen from the left of Obama on the issue. Here is Jackson Diehl of the Washington Post claiming that Benghazi was brought about by incompetence and carelessness. And here is the New York Times editorial board trying to shift the conversation from Obama’s initial failure in Libya to his ongoing failure in Libya. Liberal “defenses” of Obama and Clinton paint a picture of two hopelessly unqualified leaders.

It doesn’t get much better from there. As Pete noted this morning, Obama’s former chief strategist David Axelrod defended his former boss by saying that the government has become so vast and unwieldy that Obama couldn’t possibly know what his own government was doing or why it was doing it. The fact that Democrats can acknowledge this while still planning to make the government larger and less accountable shows the ideological nature of their obsession with expanding the state at the expense of the people."



Nah, he's corrupt too, just not in the traditional way.

http://www.commentarymagazine.com/2013/05/17/obamas-defenders-hes-not-
corrupt-just-dishonest-and-incompetent
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Saturday, May 18, 2013 4:46 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Proof that Jackson Diehl and the New York Times editorial board are 'the left'?
Proof that the NYTimes is trying to "shift the conversation from Obama’s initial failure in Libya to his ongoing failure in Libya"?
Proof that "Obama’s former chief strategist David Axelrod" is 'the left"?



And let me point out that I have yet to read a rightard argument that has both facts and logic. But what they DO have is a healthy dose of mendacity.

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Saturday, May 18, 2013 6:44 PM

JONGSSTRAW


Quote:

Proof that Jackson Diehl and the New York Times editorial board are 'the left'? Proof that the NYTimes is trying to "shift the conversation from Obama’s initial failure in Libya to his ongoing failure in Libya"? Proof that "Obama’s former chief strategist David Axelrod" is 'the left"?


The NY Times, the Washington Post, and David Axelrod are considered by honest and sane people as defenders of and friendly to Obama. You can have opinions of current events. It's legal in all 50 states, even in RWED. It's called editorializing. Like when I call you a psychotic left wing loon, that's an opinion too.

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Saturday, May 18, 2013 6:56 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


"And a similar defense has arisen from the left of Obama on the issue."

But are they 'the left'?

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Monday, May 20, 2013 2:03 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)




Of course it couldn't be the REPUBLICANS who are corrupt, could it?

After all, all they did was gin up a bunch of fake e-mail "quotes" and feed them to friendly reporters...

http://americablog.com/2013/05/gop-faked-benghazi-emails-cbs.html

Naaaaahhhh - that's not corruption, just dishonesty and incompetence.

Right?



"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

"I was wrong" - Hero, 2012

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

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Tuesday, May 21, 2013 4:31 PM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up


Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:


Of course it couldn't be the REPUBLICANS who are corrupt, could it?

After all, all they did was gin up a bunch of fake e-mail "quotes" and feed them to friendly reporters...

http://americablog.com/2013/05/gop-faked-benghazi-emails-cbs.html

Naaaaahhhh - that's not corruption, just dishonesty and incompetence.

Right?



Not so much, per the Washington Post.

Quote:

The Pinocchio Test


It has long been part of the Washington game for officials to discredit a news story by playing up errors in a relatively small part of it. Pfeiffer gives the impression that GOP operatives deliberately tried to “smear the president” with false, doctored e-mails.

But the reporters involved have indicated they were told by their sources that these were summaries, taken from notes of e-mails that could not be kept. The fact that slightly different versions of the e-mails were reported by different journalists suggests there were different note-takers as well.

Indeed, Republicans would have been foolish to seriously doctor e-mails that the White House at any moment could have released (and eventually did). Clearly, of course, Republicans would put their own spin on what the e-mails meant, as they did in the House report. Given that the e-mails were almost certain to leak once they were sent to Capitol Hill, it’s a wonder the White House did not proactively release them earlier.

The burden of proof lies with the accuser. Despite Pfeiffer’s claim of political skullduggery, we see little evidence that much was at play here besides imprecise wordsmithing or editing errors by journalists.



Three Pinocchios






http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/post/the-white-house-
claim-of-doctored-e-mails-to-smear-the-president/2013/05/20/a23343b6-c19e-11e2-8bd8-2788030e6b44_blog.html



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Tuesday, May 21, 2013 5:01 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


"But the reporters involved have indicated they were told by their sources that these were summaries, taken from notes of e-mails that could not be kept. The fact that slightly different versions of the e-mails were reported by different journalists suggests there were different note-takers as well."

But were they reported that way? No. They were reported AS IF they were the actual emails. That in itself is a lie.




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Wednesday, May 22, 2013 4:07 AM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up


Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
"But the reporters involved have indicated they were told by their sources that these were summaries, taken from notes of e-mails that could not be kept. The fact that slightly different versions of the e-mails were reported by different journalists suggests there were different note-takers as well."

But were they reported that way? No. They were reported AS IF they were the actual emails. That in itself is a lie.




So now it's the reporters who lied?

Anyone but the Administration, right?


"When your heart breaks, you choose what to fill the cracks with. Love or hate. But hate won't ever heal. Only love can do that."

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Wednesday, May 22, 2013 5:48 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


To address the original argument, Kiki, this entire thread didn't need "discussing". If you read the article, which is an EDITORIAL piece in the first place, you'd have read things like
Quote:

...the IRS systematically targeted conservative and pro-Israel groups in order to eviscerate the First Amendment rights of those who disagreed with President Obama (and at the direction of high-ranking elected Democrats)...


That pretty much takes this author's opinions right out of the realm of anyone whose opinion is worth discussing in the first place, in my opinion, so why bother? Let them have their fun; it means nothing.


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Wednesday, May 22, 2013 6:50 AM

SHINYGOODGUY


You mean you guys consider the NY Times and Washington Post, two conservative media outlets, to be "lefties"!?

Dammmmnnnnnnn! You guys are real hard-core. Imagine the NY Times, the epitome of conservatism, are lefty leaning media rag favoring "socialist" Obama. Who knew!?

Good times, noodle soup!


SGG

Quote:

Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
"And a similar defense has arisen from the left of Obama on the issue. Here is Jackson Diehl of the Washington Post claiming that Benghazi was brought about by incompetence and carelessness. And here is the New York Times editorial board trying to shift the conversation from Obama’s initial failure in Libya to his ongoing failure in Libya. Liberal “defenses” of Obama and Clinton paint a picture of two hopelessly unqualified leaders.

It doesn’t get much better from there. As Pete noted this morning, Obama’s former chief strategist David Axelrod defended his former boss by saying that the government has become so vast and unwieldy that Obama couldn’t possibly know what his own government was doing or why it was doing it. The fact that Democrats can acknowledge this while still planning to make the government larger and less accountable shows the ideological nature of their obsession with expanding the state at the expense of the people."



Nah, he's corrupt too, just not in the traditional way.

http://www.commentarymagazine.com/2013/05/17/obamas-defenders-hes-not-
corrupt-just-dishonest-and-incompetent/


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Wednesday, May 22, 2013 8:29 AM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up


Quote:

Originally posted by Niki2:
To address the original argument, Kiki, this entire thread didn't need "discussing". If you read the article, which is an EDITORIAL piece in the first place, you'd have read things like
Quote:

...the IRS systematically targeted conservative and pro-Israel groups in order to eviscerate the First Amendment rights of those who disagreed with President Obama (and at the direction of high-ranking elected Democrats)...


That pretty much takes this author's opinions right out of the realm of anyone whose opinion is worth discussing in the first place, in my opinion, so why bother? Let them have their fun; it means nothing.




So we should discount most of what you and the other Liberals post up as well, since it's just editorials and blogs that express the opinions of CNN, Mother Jones, Thinkprogress, Crooksandliars, addictinginfo, etc.?


"When your heart breaks, you choose what to fill the cracks with. Love or hate. But hate won't ever heal. Only love can do that."

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Thursday, May 23, 2013 4:31 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


No, Geezer, but I'm not going to pay attention to editorials by people who write what that guy did, and I wouldn't expect you to pay attention to editorials by some of the really flaming liberal authors I put up. You certainly can, it's your choice, but for me, what I quoted shows his bias is so extreme that he's not worth debating. That's my personal opinion; I realize you can try to twist and turn it any way you want, but there it is.


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Thursday, May 23, 2013 6:20 AM

JONGSSTRAW


Yeah, having opinions and writing editorials in the Reign of Terror that Obama has unleashed is a dangerous thing. Better watch what you say or even think. The only question is what's gonna come after you...the Justice Dept, the IRS, or a Drone.

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Thursday, May 23, 2013 6:26 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


"Reign of Terror that Obama has unleashed"...capitalized even! -- my gawd, you really HAVE lost it, haven't you? Whatever happened to that guys...well, never mind, he's obviously gone now, so I'll accept that this is you, and respond (or more likely, not) accordingly. How terribly sad...


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Thursday, May 23, 2013 6:46 AM

JONGSSTRAW


The AP, The NY Times, and the Washington Post are saying it. Cluck away.

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